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My town read on implosion was serious, my one on BBT was more joke-y but based on his posts afterwards I'm town reading him. I don't understand how that makes me scum? You say that you don't like early town or scum reads but you don't flag implosion as suspicious although he did it even earlier than me.
In post 42, Keyser Söze wrote:
I also wanted to flag Hieirama's reaction.I feel like implosion was joking about a 'Dierfire + Hieirama scumteam'- but Hieirama's jumps in acting very serious/defensive:
In post 25, Hieirama wrote:In post 23, implosion wrote:Looks like a Dierfire + Hieirama scumteam. Now if only we can figure out the third...
You can build a scumread based on one post?
Dwlee99gives out two (serious?)easy/early town-reads (I do not like people giving out easy/early town/scum reads):
In post 33, Dwlee99 wrote:. The first part was more about implosion and the second part is about you. Even though it was "Kind of a joke" I'm still town reading you. (especially for your last few posts)You asked about my town read on you and implosion
UNVOTE: BlueBloodedToffee
VOTE: Dwlee99
Yea, no.
UNVOTE: Dierfire
VOTE: Keyser
In post 40, herrcombs wrote:In post 39, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay, we're out of RVS. Fine.
But let's look at Garmr's ISO -
21 - RVS
24 - "Honestly don't see anything scummy so far"
So saying he doesn't see anything scummy is a scum tell? Okay, totally.
Why did you clip out the rest of what he said, about why it's a scumtell to him?
(Even though frankly, I don't agree with mykonian's premise... I don't think the phrase "to be honest" or its derivatives is alignment indicative, I've seen townies use the phrase and I tend to use it too out of habit.)
I clipped it out because the rest was gibberish about him saying the word "honestly". He did say some stuff about it being him buddying and "Add to this that he's stepping in to protect someone from an accusation and that little sentence becomes quite damning." but it's a weak case that relies on saying the word "honestly" being a scum tell, which, like you said, isn't one.-
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In post 51, mykonian wrote:In post 37, mykonian wrote:we could be out of rvs right now.
You know, why not.
Garmr already committed a scumtell trying to call someone town. There's no need for the word "honestly" there, it only makes sense from a point where scum is trying to think like town. The word "honestly" implies that he comes from a setting where he was prepared to lie this game, then found a situation where it wasn't necessary. Add to this that he's stepping in to protect someone from an accusation and that little sentence becomes quite damning. Buddying and at the same time showing off his mindset is scummy.
So dwlee, are we out of rvs?
In post 39, Dwlee99 wrote:So saying he doesn't see anything scummy is a scum tell? Okay, totally.
how is that your conclusion after that post. It's not even close to the message I put up there.
Think that took 2 pages to make everything dwlee says worthless for me from now on. If your first response to a post is to see how you can pull it out of context and make a sarcastic remark, I don't have a clue what you are doing here. Meanwhile his vote is a hard omgus. Fun one. First makes him worthless town, second worthless scum. Hope he's not on my team.
Lol, k.
Your reasons for him being scum were the word "honestly" and his seeing nothing scummy. So you were saying that not seeing anything scummy is a scum tell. That's what you were saying. Don't act like your entire read was greater than that, cause it wasn't. My conclusion of your post is exactly what your post is, a weak case held up by the assumption that saying the word "honestly" is a scum tell. Second, thanks for calling me worthless. Totally appreciate it. Third, my vote isn't even an OMGUS. He says I'm being scummy for something implosion did and not even questioning implosion. Inconsistency is a scum tell.-
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In post 55, mykonian wrote:oh god it can read.
was that so hard, dear?
and gosh, a page 2 case when the biggest thing that happened otherwise are your omgus (which it was, shut up) and herr's laughing off isn't lynch worthy. Call the papers.
It's funny how in a GAME you resort to calling someone "It". Good job dude.
In post 56, herrcombs wrote:In post 44, Dwlee99 wrote:I clipped it out because the rest was gibberish about him saying the word "honestly". He did say some stuff about it being him buddying and "Add to this that he's stepping in to protect someone from an accusation and that little sentence becomes quite damning." but it's a weak case that relies on saying the word "honestly" being a scum tell, which, like you said, isn't one.
Yeah, but your original quote ("So saying he doesn't see anything scummy is a scum tell? Okay, totally") ignored the part of his post where he thought Garmr was scummy for buddying someone (pretty sure that someone was me). Not sure why you felt you had to manipulate mykonian's 37 to get your point across.
pedit: What's with the caustic aggression coming out of mykonian? Calling another player after a very short back-and-forth "either a worthless town or a worthless scum", and then dehumanizing him by calling him "it"... No clue if this is a matter of playstyle or if he's getting super bent out of shape because his 37 was jumped on, or what. But it doesn't seem like myko is working to get past it, either way. Just seems to be instigating a fight with Dwlee. Also, noted that mykonian is ignoring Dwlee's reasoning for voting Soze and trying to insist it's simply OMGUS.
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VOTE: mykonian
I don't understand how it's manipulating. I was just quoting the specific part that I wanted to respond to. Like right here I wanted to cut out the last half of your post because it's not what I'm responding to. But I didn't just so I don't bother people when I don't need to.
In post 57, mykonian wrote:In post 56, herrcombs wrote:Not sure why you felt you had to manipulate mykonian's 37 to get your point across.
Because I don't take kindly to this. Nor do I think should you.
You are the 3rd to comment on it by now (so it's pretty obvious), and manipulating isn't seen favorably anyway. What does that say about how dwlee thinks about the people in this game that he thinks he can get that past us?
For one I would have enjoyed a fair discussion. And secondly I am not very pleased by the implication that dwlee, who doesn't look like the sharpest knife in the drawer, thinks he's the smartest of the bunch here.
Already addressed the manipulation part and now you just insult my intelligence and are trying to make me look like a jerk by saying I "think I'm the smartest of the bunch here." when I obviously don't. You're the one manipulating people and acting like you're the smartest person in the world.-
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So my read on implosion was 100% serious and I think he is town (I cited the reason of his aggressiveness and getting the game out of RVS)
The read on BBT was a joke but the posts that he made afterwards give me a town vibe from him.
In post 78, herrcombs wrote:In post 68, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't understand how it's manipulating. I was just quoting the specific part that I wanted to respond to. Like right here I wanted to cut out the last half of your post because it's not what I'm responding to. But I didn't just so I don't bother people when I don't need to.
Ok yeah fair enough, I suppose it's not manipulation to crop out the stuff about the "buddying," since it was a separate thought and not necessarily relevant. But I still think that the first sentence (the one you quoted) was leading into mykonian's argument:
In post 37, mykonian wrote:Garmr already committed a scumtell trying to call someone town. There's no need for the word "honestly" there, it only makes sense from a point where scum is trying to think like town. The word "honestly" implies that he comes from a setting where he was prepared to lie this game, then found a situation where it wasn't necessary.
The manipulation is you implying the scum tell was "saying he doesn't see anything scummy," where myko was arguing it was a scum tell for the way he used the term "honestly" and what it could mean psychologically. You clipped myko's quote in a way that didn't represent what he was trying to say, and then sarcastically dismissed it. That is manipulation.
I've made my thoughts fairly clear regarding the "honestly" thing. So I quoted the other part of the argument to tackle that point. RIP my organization by cropping. (Still did it in the quote above hahah git rikt)-
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To 88: Garmr, myko is null for me atm. He's playing aggressively and stimulating conversation but his reads are stretched.
To 89: Thought I'd lay a BBT town read out there because it would generate something to talk about (which it did) and allow me to get reads. The implosion read was used to talk outloud and make people not just dismiss my post as "random reads that make no sense" which caused people to comment seriously on it.-
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If I don't attack the wagon when are people gonna actually give more reasons for it than stretched reads? The wagon just allows scum to hide by joining under the same reasons as everyone else. I need more from people than "Reads are stretched" when joining a wagon. I could also sit here and argue that stretching reads can be town trying to figure out the game.-
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96: I don't know if a couple of times is 'constantly'. I don't think I need to apply pressure on Myko because there's already a wagon formed on him. I need to apply pressure elsewhere including on the wagon itself because everyone's on it for one reason.
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In post 118, Hieirama wrote:
Heh.
I made that readlist, you're right, to contribute a little bit more than a one-liner. I'm not sure how that's scum-oriented?
I'm not being helpful if all my opinions are all jumbled in my head. So why not share it, even if it's minor?
This is the fastest pace game I've played in. I do hate missing the boat.
Dwlee99 wrote:If I don't attack the wagon when are people gonna actually give more reasons for it than stretched reads? The wagon just allows scum to hide by joining under the same reasons as everyone else. I need more from people than "Reads are stretched" when joining a wagon. I could also sit here and argue that stretching reads can be town trying to figure out the game.
I think stretched reads are the best evidence people have at this point...
My point exactly. It can be seen as trying to figure out the game so it's not that scummy, imo. That's why myko is null for me and I attacked the wagon.
In post 121, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 50, implosion wrote:Dwlee is probably town. BBT is more weakly town. myko's 37 is sort of just a common phenomenon on this site. I've made pretty much an identical post before.
Hiei is very slightly scummy for their opening post and subsequent reaction, but it's pretty insignificant. I still need to read page 2 more closely because I have to go to class in 1 minute but for now I'm actually going to ask for this wagon:
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VOTE: Felissan
"I just don't get a townvibe from you" after a vote feels like appeasement + a psychological desire not to commit to the read. I haven't actually read the rest of the post. I will when I can.
Why did you choose Felissan over Hieirama? Also, why did you mention that Hiei is slightly scummy but it's 'insignifcant', if it's insignificant, why mention it?
You don't see how it matters that you have reasons for scum reading someone but would rather stick to your RVS vote?
Are you serious?
In post 67, herrcombs wrote:What is the basis for all these DWL townreads I'm seeing (BBT, implosion, Dierfire)? Could someone fill me in?
As annoying as it is, and it ruins my sig, it's based on meta. Look at Dwlee's posting in this newbie game - compare it to this game. They are worlds apart, he was awkward, couldn't scum hunt and none of his posting felt town at all. In fact, he was so bad at being scum that I started to think he was lost town.
This is town Dwlee.
In post 72, Garmr wrote:honestly I use that word a lot it features in all my recent games. Also what's this bs about calling someone town. I said I don't see anything scummy yet. You seem like your reaching so have my vote.
VOTE: mycorana
He's reaching...on page 2? No way...
VOTE: Garmr
I'm still ashamed about that. >.<-
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In post 123, pistachi0n wrote:VOTE: Garmr
In post 24, Garmr wrote:Honestly don't see anything scummy so far
What was the point of saying this? Just to get it out there, I would be scumreading this even if the word "honestly" weren't included because that's a semantics thing. But chiming in RVS to say you don't see anything scummy when nobody prompted you is scummy.
Vote in 72 was OMGUS-y. And yeah, the case was reachy, but it's Page 2 so I'm not concerned about it. This argument happens every early Day 1--someone breaks RVS by making a reachy case, other people criticize it for being reachy, lots of arguing over whether or not it was reachy and whether or not that's okay for RVS, etc, etc, etc. And in this case I'm taking the side of the person who made the reachy case.
He hasn't posted a scumread based on anything other than OMGUS.
And yet in my first noobie I get called scum for saying something was OMGUS that didn't involve a vote. I still don't understand..-
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In post 140, Keyser Söze wrote:Look at the votes on my wagon:
OMGUS much...? Does Dwlee99 actually scum-read me?
In post 66, Dierfire wrote:DWL is Town and easy to lynch. Players voting DWL are therefore more likely to be Mafia.
UNVOTE: BBT
VOTE: Keyser
I feel this is a weak reason. I did not like how that sentence was constructed. "easy to lynch" - what part of Dwlee99's play iseasy to lynch? His vote on me had a logical fallacy feeling to it.
"Player A is easy to lynch, therefore Player B who voted for Player A is more likely scum"
Still waiting for Dierfire's comments.
For the last stinkin' time, it wasn't OMGUS. I did not vote you for voting me. I voted you for being inconsistent. You took out my entire argument as to why you are scum. This is manipulation. And yet no one calls you out on it for some odd reason. Here's my whole post. Do you feel the need to remove my entire argument out just to get your point across?
In post 44, Dwlee99 wrote:My town read on implosion was serious, my one on BBT was more joke-y but based on his posts afterwards I'm town reading him. I don't understand how that makes me scum?You say that you don't like early town or scum reads but you don't flag implosion as suspicious although he did it even earlier than me.
In post 42, Keyser Söze wrote:
I also wanted to flag Hieirama's reaction.- but Hieirama's jumps in acting very serious/defensive:I feel like implosion was joking about a 'Dierfire + Hieirama scumteam'
In post 25, Hieirama wrote:In post 23, implosion wrote:Looks like a Dierfire + Hieirama scumteam. Now if only we can figure out the third...
You can build a scumread based on one post?
Dwlee99easy/early town-readsgives out two (serious?):(I do not like people giving out easy/early town/scum reads)
In post 33, Dwlee99 wrote:. The first part was more about implosion and the second part is about you. Even though it was "Kind of a joke" I'm still town reading you. (especially for your last few posts)You asked about my town read on you and implosion
UNVOTE: BlueBloodedToffee
VOTE: Dwlee99
Yea, no.
UNVOTE: Dierfire
VOTE: Keyser
In post 40, herrcombs wrote:In post 39, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay, we're out of RVS. Fine.
But let's look at Garmr's ISO -
21 - RVS
24 - "Honestly don't see anything scummy so far"
So saying he doesn't see anything scummy is a scum tell? Okay, totally.
Why did you clip out the rest of what he said, about why it's a scumtell to him?
(Even though frankly, I don't agree with mykonian's premise... I don't think the phrase "to be honest" or its derivatives is alignment indicative, I've seen townies use the phrase and I tend to use it too out of habit.)
I clipped it out because the rest was gibberish about him saying the word "honestly". He did say some stuff about it being him buddying and "Add to this that he's stepping in to protect someone from an accusation and that little sentence becomes quite damning." but it's a weak case that relies on saying the word "honestly" being a scum tell, which, like you said, isn't one.-
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In post 185, implosion wrote:And I'm gonna be pretty mad if he gets lynched. I'm pretty rarely mad when townies who I townread are lynched but this is really really obvious. The scum motivation for making that claim by Garmr is to try to dissuade the growing suspicion towards him. There's no way that he would think claiming bulletproof townie would be a good way to do that as scum on page 8. He'd also have much less of a reason to be so emotionally charged as scum unless he's faking the emotion which is possible but seems very unlikely to me.
"Why aren't you dying?" - Bulletproof townie.
"Why shouldn't we lynch you?" - I'm important cause I'm bulletproof.
And on my home site there was someone who faked this huge emotional outburst and acted super pissed to get a win. Emotions can be faked over the internet.-
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In post 187, implosion wrote:In post 186, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 185, implosion wrote:And I'm gonna be pretty mad if he gets lynched. I'm pretty rarely mad when townies who I townread are lynched but this is really really obvious. The scum motivation for making that claim by Garmr is to try to dissuade the growing suspicion towards him. There's no way that he would think claiming bulletproof townie would be a good way to do that as scum on page 8. He'd also have much less of a reason to be so emotionally charged as scum unless he's faking the emotion which is possible but seems very unlikely to me.
"Why aren't you dying?" - Bulletproof townie.
"Why shouldn't we lynch you?" - I'm important cause I'm bulletproof.
And on my home site there was someone who faked this huge emotional outburst and acted super pissed to get a win. Emotions can be faked over the internet.
Don't get the first half of this post. As for the second half every case of something like this is different; my read of Garmr's emotional outburst as genuine is informed by a lot of things: his play so far, how early it is in the game, mykonian's general attitude, the way that Garmr posted it, my pre-existing townread on Garmr (which, by the way, is bolstered by the claim because of the nature of what I was townreading him for).
The first half of my post was explaining why it's beneficial for him to claim bulletproof townie as scum.
I don't understand how straight out claiming a power role without it being necessary is townie.-
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In post 192, implosion wrote:In post 190, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 187, implosion wrote:In post 186, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 185, implosion wrote:And I'm gonna be pretty mad if he gets lynched. I'm pretty rarely mad when townies who I townread are lynched but this is really really obvious. The scum motivation for making that claim by Garmr is to try to dissuade the growing suspicion towards him. There's no way that he would think claiming bulletproof townie would be a good way to do that as scum on page 8. He'd also have much less of a reason to be so emotionally charged as scum unless he's faking the emotion which is possible but seems very unlikely to me.
"Why aren't you dying?" - Bulletproof townie.
"Why shouldn't we lynch you?" - I'm important cause I'm bulletproof.
And on my home site there was someone who faked this huge emotional outburst and acted super pissed to get a win. Emotions can be faked over the internet.
Don't get the first half of this post. As for the second half every case of something like this is different; my read of Garmr's emotional outburst as genuine is informed by a lot of things: his play so far, how early it is in the game, mykonian's general attitude, the way that Garmr posted it, my pre-existing townread on Garmr (which, by the way, is bolstered by the claim because of the nature of what I was townreading him for).
The first half of my post was explaining why it's beneficial for him to claim bulletproof townie as scum.
I don't understand how straight out claiming a power role without it being necessary is townie.
There's an important distinction between town and pro-town. Claiming bp townie here is distinctively not pro-town but if the town motivation for it is more likely than the scum motivation it should still be viewed as a towntell and I think that's the case. And as for your quotes... giving an excuse for not dying could be a reason to claim bulletproof townie (although I'd contend not this early). But the second...
"Why shouldn't we lynch you?" - I'm important cause I'm bulletproof.
Did you read his post? In the same post that he claimed bulletproof he explicitly said he didn't mind being lynched because he didn't see bp townie as an important role.
To me claiming a power role without prompt is scummy. Apparently we disagree on that, though.
And not minding being lynched isn't a town tell. People don't seem to understand scum can fake emotions and frustration.-
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Garmr's ISO (12 posts):
21: RVS on BBT.
24: "Honestly don't see anything scummy so far." Most debated quote this game, I don't see it as scummy it's just a general statement scum and town make.
69: Fluff about his pet name for BBT.
72: Myko is "Reaching" according to Garmr. Votes myko for using honestly as a scum tell against him (which it's not, imo) but says he is reaching. (I feel like it's myko trying to figure out the game and not a scumtell. It's null/town lean to me)
88: Asks me if I am town reading myko.
92: Says I shouldn't be attacking the wagon and insists the stretching reads is a scum tell.
95: Still insists it's scummy. Tells me I shouldn't attack a wagon unless I "town read them for multiple reasons".
96: Says that myko's only case is the word honestly when it involves the possible buddying as well. Threat kind of thing saying "if you keep attacking me you're gonna get lynched". Says "Reading people as scum for voting you is pretty pathetic." because myko says it was about time scum joined his wagon and that his reasons for getting on were weak.
171: Claims power role.
173: "Tip look through myko's iso" in response to myko saying "Who wants to play 'Find the scum tell'"
177: Saying 'just lynch me I'm not an important power role just bulletproof townie' and says that they didn't think "anyone would be that retarded and mentally handicapped to follow with myko because of the word honestly." when there was no pressure on him to claim which power role he was since he had claimed a power role.
178: V/LA for two days might be 'a bit more motivated' when they come back.
I don't like 96's "push my lynch and die" mentality, the insistence on myko's iso being full of scum tells (when I am thinking myko as town lean) or the claim (177).
He's a scum lean for me right now because he's posting tons of one/two-liners and nothing more as well as what I mentioned above.
And would it slow down a wagon if someone was like "I'm a bulletproof role cop that has 100 investigations a night as well as can shoot the same night as my investigations after I get them, but don't worry I'm not important." Bulletproof townie is an important role. If there's a doctor you can easily prevent a mislynch turning into scum win on mylo by the doctor self-healing and the bp not being able to be killed.-
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51 posts from myko, 4 from lalendra. Just to put this into perspective. Lalendra also has cited myko's 'stretched reads' as scummy.
"This is reaching and he has yet to respond to multiple people questioning it.
VOTE: mykonian"
Lack of real posts from Lalendra except for this one. And I disagree with the reasoning in this except myko not really responding to people questioning it. (which I don't remember noting at the time)-
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My post wasn't IIoA. I had as much analysis as was completely possible for those 12 posts. And my main message was clear, they haven't scum hunted at all (except for a little on myko, kinda?) and their posts weren't very townie. I'd accept the level of scumminess they are displaying if they had actually done scumhunting.-
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In post 232, Hieirama wrote:In post 228, Dwlee99 wrote:My post wasn't IIoA. I had as much analysis as was completely possible for those 12 posts. And my main message was clear, they haven't scum hunted at all (except for a little on myko, kinda?) and their posts weren't very townie. I'd accept the level of scumminess they are displaying if they had actually done scumhunting.
Still... Try not to include too much obvious information that doesn't contribute to your read. It's making the post a little congested, and it unnecessarily floods my head with unneeded info.
In post 230, mykonian wrote:I'm not a patient man so a messy quote it'll be.
Ok. Not sure why you assume he's town in this. You are. Analysis is good, assumption seems off. Could be a scumtell but it's really blatant in that case. You could talk more about this.In post 227, Hieirama wrote:In post 177, Garmr wrote:Tbh you can lynch me I'm not really an important power role just a bullet proof townie I was trying to draw attention to get someone to night kill me with a soft power role claim before but now I don't really care. My care factor for this game is zero. Because I didn't think anyone would be that retarded and mentally handicapped to follow with myko because of the word honestly.
It would've been better if you haven't claimed.
Even if you're actually BP it was a really anti-town move.
Going anti-town just because of frustration really isn't a nice thing to do.
In post 194, herrcombs wrote:In post 180, Hieirama wrote:The popular
In post 24, Garmr wrote:
Honestly don't see anything scummy so far
wins my interest. Not really the quote itself, but on how much attention its given.
OK. So what interests you about it? Do you think the attention it's getting is revealing any information? Are any of your reads from 76 developing as a result?
I thought the stretchy attention from Myko was just to get the game going, but it seems serious now…
I could see this as myko and two other scum building up from a small unimportant remark from Garmr, and the stress perhaps caused him to stress out and make that claim.
So if we Lynch Garmr, in my eyes its more of a policy Lynch…
3 scum just pushing a townie doesn't happen. Sometimes 3 end up in the same place, but organised pushes are near unheard of, and hard to organise. This makes me think you haven't exactly played all that much mafia, and even then I'm not sure why you take this explanation over any other simpler one. Why does it take an entire conspiracy to lynch someone who hasn't posted any analysis, has posted several defensive posts, and has made a dodgy claim (as you yourself so neatly explained).
I do have a policy of lynching people I think scum. I don't know why you call it a policy lynch, or construe it as if garmr's only scumtell has been his post on the first page. This hasn't been the case.
This… is my 4th Fourm Mafia game… yeah.
I'm bringing in the possibility of Garmr just being an anti-town, town.
I personally see this as the more likley scenario.
Yh, I can understand that.
If Garmr is Town then I have a strong feeling that the wagon was scum-driven, mainly because if how petty the original reason was. Could be three Mafia, could be one.
I use "policy lynch" incorrectly maybe? The way I see it is: This player's posts don't seem to have scum Motivation, but they're being toxic to the Town wincon. They're the best lynch until someone proves to be genuinely scummy.
It contributes to my read because it shows Garmr not doing anything townie and posting some fluff.-
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In post 235, Lalendra wrote:I dislike policy lynches, because even if someone's being anti-town, they're still a town player who is alive. I'd rather garmr replaced out and we got someone else who was worth something, but it doesn't look like that's gonna happen.
I'm on mobile at the moment but I'll make a more extensive post when my computer decides to turn on.
P-edit: was it really necessary to quote a wall for a one-line comment?
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In post 237, Hieirama wrote:You're a lot of fun when you do that,
Exaggerate and... Almost manipulate?
In post 233, mykonian wrote:It's the most curious thing. You assume he's town then the scumtells aren't genuine.
that's the wrong way around!
Yes I assume he's Town.
The scumtells, which scumtells? I've only mentioned "scum" and "genuine" when addressing the possibily of someone else coming forward with a scummy attitude, to whom I'll switch my vote toward.
The "scummy" or "scumtell" or whatever in my reply wasn't pointing at Garmr.
I'm not too sure how that's a "wrong-way-around".
It's cause I'm no longer editing quotes in case I accidentally remove something important from the post that relates to what I'm talking about.-
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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lalendra
Never answered my questions. Says in 235 they'll make a more exstensive when their computer turns on yet it has been 13 hours since that post with no post. Should probably just FoS but idc.-
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In post 255, Haschel Cedricson wrote:In post 250, Dwlee99 wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lalendra
Never answered my questions. Says in 235 they'll make a more exstensive when their computer turns on yet it has been 13 hours since that post with no post. Should probably just FoS but idc.
So if I'm understanding this correctly, this is a vote for lurking, yes?
Kind of. They never answered my question and then promised a post but never delivered.-
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In post 267, pistachi0n wrote:In post 266, Hieirama wrote:In post 260, pistachi0n wrote:In post 227, Hieirama wrote:It takes guts to stand up for players being wagoned.
No...it really doesn't.
I doubt a coward would do it.
Okay, fine, it either takes guts or it's scum who wants to gain town points.
But why would town care what other people think? Why not just defend the person you think is town?-
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@Garmr 269: That post reeks of OMGUS. You're wrong on a few things there. First of all, your "gambit" was not very clear. Your gambit makes sense if you didn't decide to completely ruin the entire thing by claiming BP. But you did. Second, you say Lalendra has done no scum hunting and yet they did in the post you quoted. I liked that wall but m'kay about your opinion.-
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@Garmr 269: That post reeks of OMGUS. You're wrong on a few things there. First of all, your "gambit" was not very clear. Your gambit makes sense if you didn't decide to completely ruin the entire thing by claiming BP. But you did. Second, you say Lalendra has done no scum hunting and yet they did in the post you quoted. I liked that wall but m'kay about your opinion.-
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Their main scum read seems to be you. I think that they have a scum lean on Haschel as well (confirm, lalendra?) or null I think? They mentioned them couldn't tell if it was a scum or null read.
Your second scum read is better. Fellisan's post is odd, at least the first part. It makes sense to be worried that you might actually be a power role. And I disagree about you claiming early being less likely as scum. The fact that you thought of that two-shot hider claim shows the mindset you're in. This is sort of reaching but as town why would you even think of a fake claim like that.
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Hmm, I didn't read it as a policy lynch.
UNVOTE:
There would be no reason for a policy lynch on Garmr with how they've been playing. I don't even know right now. I liked her list but apparently I misread it. And now I don't know. I feel that Lalendra and Gamyr are an unaligned pair.. I think? But we know what the last "unaligned" pair ended up being.(@BBT & @Dierfire)-
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I removed my vote on Keyser cause there was no way to get a wagon on it. He's still my major scum read but if no one agrees there's no point in me being super stubborn over it and insisting to vote keyser which would just piss everyone off.
I don't know about the garmr lynch. I am doubting that read because I liked their read on lalendra (after I found out I totally misread lalendra's post)
I don't see why Lalendra would try to put a vote out and then just be like 'Oh, well, don't think I'm suspicious when he flips cause policy lynch.' This also made me doubt my read on Garmr because why would scum!lalendra make a policy lynch vote on scum!garmr?
I feel confident in this vote.
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In post 334, Haschel Cedricson wrote:In post 322, Dierfire wrote:@Haschel
In post 246, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
Now this is interesting. Herr calls out Dwlee for manipulating mykonian's words, but then votes for mykonian for tone reasons. Don't like this one bit.
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Alright, Townreads are mykonian, implosion, Garmr, and Herrcombs.Unvote: Herrcombs
How did you settle on reading Herrcombs as Town?
Starting at 84 his posts get much better in his interaction with myko. I also like his reaction to the Garmr situation.
In post 315, Lalendra wrote:In post 313, Felissan wrote:
PEdit:Lalendra wrote:I would still prefer to lynch Garmr but I would not be opposed to Dier as a compromise lynch, because yes, I am undecided and would be interested to see how he reacts.
Did I just read that right? I don't see how you would agree with a lynch on someone you don't have an opinion on...
I want to put pressure on him to get information. Sorry I wasn't clear.
Then don't vote for him, pressure him.
Vote: Lalendra
This vote is bad because there is no reason to think Lalendra is scum from that post. In my eyes the main way you pressure for reads is by voting them (something that haschel doesn't agree on apparently) because he says "Then don't vote for him, pressure him". Haschel seems to think that Lalendra being interested in a Dier wagon for information is not the proper way too go about it. (even though that is the point of wagons, correct?) Even if what Haschel pointed out is a scum tell it should be a FoS and isn't deserving a vote.
In post 358, mykonian wrote:In post 357, Dierfire wrote:and the claim makes less sense from a Mafia player than from a Town player
"hey I'm pr"
"why are you still alive"
"guess they didn't want to shoot a bp"
where's the downside for scum exactly?
Beyond that, he sets it up badly, his actual claim is followed up by feigning that he doesn't care if he's lynched or not.
I'd be so incredibly happy if we got 2 stories out of this game. One that it's a policy lynch, and two that that claim was any good.
Doesn't the beginning of this post completely reflect what I was saying in one of mine? I remember someone saying that there is no reason for a scum to claim BP and I used this exact reasoning to explain why scum would claim BP.-
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In post 374, herrcombs wrote:
@ DWL's 282: Why did you unvote Garmr there? Did you ever consider the Garmr wagon to be in part due to PL, because Garmr was acting against the interests of town? What did you mean by your phrase, "There would be no reason for a policy lynch on Garmr with how they've been playing"?
I voted him because he was acting scummy. Their posts were over defensive over the weak case myko brought and then didn't like me attacking the wagon which seemed odd. The claim with the "oh lynch me I don't give a crap" I didn't like. I never considered it a policy lynch. The unvote in that post was because of me realizing (apparently to me misreading like a derp) that Lalendra was trying to pull a policy lynch on Garmr. I considered it odd and thought it was a weird thing for them to think, especially with the way they were talking about their dislike of policy lynches. I then was wondering Scum!Lalendra would try to policy lynch Scum!Garmr because that's an odd way to bus. So I unvoted.
In post 378, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 284, Dwlee99 wrote:Cause now I feel like Garmr's posts are townieand so I'm less sure of Garmr being scum. Gotta think.
Could you quote these "posts" - I would like to see your thought-process.
These
In post 269, Garmr wrote:Welp My scum list goes a little like this at the moment (Will do them one at a time starting with the biggest scum first)
Lala -
In post 259, Lalendra wrote:
Garmr – “Honestly” was interesting, but I don’t think it was as much of a scumtell as everyone seemed to think it was. 96 also feels to me like he is being overly-defensive town, I really don’t think that it is a scummy post. But then along comes 171. What is the purpose of this post? Why say you’re a power role if you’re not willing to say what? Why claim when no one asked you to? Why so cryptic? And then you just give up on the game. Anti-town at best. Don’t play if you’re just going to totally screw your team by playing poorly and then giving up. I dislike PL but this is the wagon that I am most inclined to pursue at this point, because as Hieirama pointed out, being blatantly anti-town is almost as bad as being scum.
VOTE: Garmr
This here is a extremely poor reason to vote me and a total misrep. It's pretty obvious I was going for a gambit with out saying my power role to get scum to shoot me also I never gave up on the game I just needed a little break to clear my head about things and read other peoples reactions. The way your potraying me here seems like a scummy excuse to vote someone and say they are town at the same time. Then you try and play it off as a policy lynch which you even said yourself you don't like doing.
In post 235, Lalendra wrote:I dislike policy lynches, because even if someone's being anti-town, they're still a town player who is alive. I'd rather garmr replaced out and we got someone else who was worth something, but it doesn't look like that's gonna happen.
I'm on mobile at the moment but I'll make a more extensive post when my computer decides to turn on.
P-edit: was it really necessary to quote a wall for a one-line comment?
But that doesn't even add to the fact that you haven't even tried to look for scum this game. Sure claiming something like bp maybe a little antitown but I was originally going for a gambit which i stressed out and befuddled and I'm actually trying now and shown intention.
You haven't even bothered to scum hunt this game and are just giving out town reads to most players or asking questions. You haven't made a firm stance on anyone yet. You have plenty of time to get a scum read which you haven't so. Your play also seems like your trying to duck under the radar while 259 seems forced and contradicts what you said in
In post 217, Lalendra wrote:There's a difference between not scum hunting, and just not posting walls and pointless read-lists. If you have questions I'll answer them, but I typically wait until I feel like I have a solid case on someone before I say something, rather than making lists of leans and nulls.
VOTE: Lala
I liked this post because of the analysis of Lalendra's post and only attacked it at first cause of my misreading of Lalendra's post.
In post 281, Garmr wrote:In post 277, Dwlee99 wrote:Their main scum read seems to be you. I think that they have a scum lean on Haschel as well (confirm, lalendra?) or null I think? They mentioned them couldn't tell if it was a scum or null read.
Your second scum read is better. Fellisan's post is odd, at least the first part. It makes sense to be worried that you might actually be a power role. And I disagree about you claiming early being less likely as scum. The fact that you thought of that two-shot hider claim shows the mindset you're in. This is sort of reaching but as town why would you even think of a fake claim like that.
FoS Lalendra for suddenly giving up reads on pressure regarding them. Based on your post it wasn't a PL.
It was obvious you didn't read that correctly. They made it clear I was a policy and the fact you have to ask the person If the actually have a scum read on a person is pretty bad as they can actually deny it latter on. Also I am scum minded I put my self in scum shoes when I scum hunt.
There are three diffrent type of minded people town-fferylt/thor neutral-pirate mollie/not science and scum me and ferrylt/pirate mollies mentor (this theroy comes from there mentor who name I forgot) I have mentioned this theroy of mindsets in past games as well.
That's how I came up with my lala scum read I put myself in their shoes. I'm always thinking of how to play as scum as I enjoy scum more than town because it's easier for me. I can create scenarios in my head in a instant. It ends up catching scum people wouldn't normally catch but on the flip side I tend to miss some things other people see.
I liked reasoning in this post because it was aggressive (town trait) as well as them saying " the fact you have to ask the person If the actually have a scum read on a person is pretty bad as they can actually deny it latter on." was good logic.