Micro 310: Shitty Joke Smalltown II (game over)

[absta101]

The mailman role seems a bit useless; I must be missing its true value.

[absta101]

Hammerer, because why the hell not?

[absta101]

Yay I am the last to pick

You'll be even more disappointed when you realize you don't get to pick at all.

[absta101]

I realized that. I am left with whatever isn't picked. Probably gonna be vanilla.

Vanilla is better than mailman in this situation imo.

[absta101]

VOTE: Private
He wouldn't mind.

[absta101]

If we lynch town today we'll be left with seven people the next day (assuming night kill). Double vote on town the next day + another scum vote + my hammer. The next day, Double vote + my vote.

[absta101]

Actually, I think it'd be 5 to lynch day two so forget what I said.

[absta101]

Umm, does the plan still work if not all powers are town? I guess yes, but if the cop is scum it's a pretty much worthless plan that doesn't make good use of the global roleblocker.

If we don't roleblock tonight, will we ever get an investigation result?

[absta101]

VOTE: Absta

Because Treestumps have feelings too!

So, if I may ask, do we gain anything from a lynch on this first day? I'm weighing the options, and it almost looks better for us to see if Brian uses his ability, and just start "fresh" D2.

A lynch on the first day gives us more information to scum hunt with. I don't see why a no-lynch would be better than that.

[absta101]

@Mitillos - I know how it works but still; if we lynch and then RB we get to kill someone as town while the scum have to skip a turn. I think that's better.

[absta101]

We'd get two lynches before scum get to kill, is what I'm saying.

[absta101]

It feels like all this planning isn't really useful seeing as we could end up lynching one of the important PRs. I can also see people being more lenient on them because of their role.

[absta101]

If Brian Skies is scum, he can simply kill me tonight, and then kill Yiley on N2.

He can't do this though because we'd lynch him for not RB.
He'd kill you then get lynched; that's in our favour.

[absta101]

No lynch is awful and should not be attempted.

Why didn't you vote him for this then?

[absta101]

You can't say "if they turn out to be scum ofc we'll lynch them", obviously we don't know their alignment beforehand.

Also, by "lenient" I meant that I can see people being less likely to vote for a scummy important PR than a scummy non-important PR, even if the important one is slightly more scummy. They'd do this precisely because they don't know the alignments so they'd rather not take their chances with the important PR.

[absta101]

And then his partner would kill Yiley on N2. There are two scum.

If Brian Skies is scum, he can simply kill me tonight, and then kill Yiley on N2.

I misunderstood you.

[absta101]

Oh opps was confused about his role. Thought it did something different.

UNVOTE:

What does his role have to do with your vote on him?

[absta101]

I still don't see how he could get an easy mislynch on D1 with a no-lynch, but whatever.

Why "whatever"? If you don't understand his reasoning, why don't you ask him to explain?

[absta101]

VOTE: Farside
Not a bad vote; it seems she's been avoiding this game.

[absta101]

VOTE: Farside
Not a bad vote; it seems she's been avoiding this game.

Weird how you jump and vote farside especially when you and farside were tied for most votes.

VOTE: absta101

None of the votes on me are serious other than yours right now. Do you think that scum-me would be scared of non-serious votes and then vote someone else because of that?

[absta101]

@Absta: I'm still curious about this question:
There was really no one invovled in the game during the mil/you/tier. So why did you specifically only put me as avoiding the game?

Not invlolved is different from avoiding. T-Shift brought my attention to you by voting with no stated reason. I looked into why he would vote you and came up with a reason. What I find interesting though is how you haven't question T-shift for his vote. Can you explain that please.

[absta101]

@Mit

@absta: My vote was RV, but I do think a hammerer is a liability for the town, especially given the doublevoter. The two of you are the first ones who need to be sorted out.

Wait, let me get this straight; are you saying that your vote one me is partly based on my role and has nothing to do with my actions? Also, what do you mean by sorted out?

And saying that scum-you wouldn't be scared in your situation just looks a little like bluster. And how can you possibly accuse farside of avoiding the thread? Her longest absence was 21 hours, part of which included the time when the site was down, if I'm not mistaken. Why aren't you accusing Micc and Brian Skies of the same behaviour?

Like I explained before, not posting isn't the same as avoiding (that's what I meant anyway). When I looked at farside's recent posts, I saw that she was posting elsewhere and not here for quite some time. I looked at her recent posts because T-shift brought my attention to her by voting her for no stated reason.
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@T-Shift

Wow, you came up with a reason, while I actually didn't have a reason. Why do you attribute thoughts to me that I don't have nor question the vote and just sheep it?

I assumed you had a reason because all players have reasons for their votes, regardless of alignment. Are you trying to tell us that you picked someone at random from this game to vote, and that person was farside?

Sheeping is voting someone for no reason other than that someone else you want to imitate is voting them. That's clearly not what I did; I had my own reason. All you did was bring attention to farside.

[absta101]

and to all the "Why me!?" questions. I'm not going to investigate every scummy person at the same time. I pick one and focus on them then move on if they look town.

[absta101]

I'll make it easy for you. http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 9&sr=posts
Click on that shit and look at her activity just before I voted her.

[absta101]

Yes sort of and because I thought asking you would've just resulted in an answer about how you don't have time or something along that line. An answer like that tells me nothing about your alignment.

[absta101]

I blame these guys for coming to your defence.

What do you think of Mit?

[absta101]

Can you explain why your vote isn't on Brian/Tier?

[absta101]

Also, about your Mit read, I disagree. Talking about mechanics should be pretty easy for scum and Mit only started pushing Jklash after I asked him why he stopped.

@jklash: How exactly would he get an easy town day 1 lynch, with a no-lynch?

Oh opps was confused about his role. Thought it did something different.

UNVOTE:

I still don't see how he could get an easy mislynch on D1 with a no-lynch,

but whatever

.

Also, this doesn't look genuine to me.

What the hell?

@jklash You're being too evasive. Answer clearly. What, exactly, did you think he would have done?

[absta101]

@Jklash

I don't get what I'm being evasive about. I thought he had a role from the first version where you could shoot someone in the day and it would end the day. Hence I thought he would use that to get an easy town kill day1.

What made you think he would use that (from his post)?

Also, answer my question here

[absta101]

@Jklash, - Also, why do you think Farside looks town?

[absta101]

Brian is prob scum.

[absta101]

UNVOTE:

@Farside - Your role could be really good for applying pressure. Voting someone who has no votes and that you think might be scum shouldn't be a problem.

[absta101]

No lynch is awful and should not be attempted.

@brian:
2 no lynches would be quite ridiculous

but 1 no lynch might work.

I guess we all need to realize that if we mislynch twice day 3 is mylo and we just can't trust the cop, he might give a guilty on a townie if he's scum.

Please explain this.

[absta101]

I guess that could work ts

I really hate your style of play, just so you know. Actually do some scum hunting for once and post more content?

[absta101]

@jklash: Still not sure if I'm getting it. Did you think Brian was a vig? And that PrivateI would try to get him mislynched, if he didn't use his power on N1?

I can see why you would be confused with how jklash got from point A to point B, but don't you think he probably just had a small mental lapse? It's not like he tried to push it anywhere and he clearly realized his mistake immediately after you pointed it out to him.

Noted.
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@Jklash

- Still don't understand your thought process. Can you just spell it out for us.

Probably not scared but you may want to stop any suspicion before it got started.

How would voting someone who has the same votes as me stop suspicion forming on myself?
Why did you think that I thought voting farside would help?

Your vote on me had nothing to do with my reason for voting farside, just the fact that farside happened to be on the same votes as me. That doesn't seem like a town way of scum hunting. I could've wrote the best case ever on farside and you could've still voted me for the same reason.

[absta101]

@Mit

- Look at all of Brian's posts; you'll see that he has only talked about the mechanics of the game and done no scum hunting. That screams scum who can't fake scum hunt. There's been plenty of content for him to give his opinion on by now.

After I'm done questioning Jklash, I will pick one of them to vote.

[absta101]

Btw

@Brian

, feel free to state the town intent in answering the question (that Mit presented) for Jklash.

[absta101]

There you go Mit, proving exactly what I said in the beginning. You'll be less likely to vote the important PRs.

Also, we'll decide who Jklash sends it to near the end of the day. The person who looks the most town will get it.

[absta101]

I looked on one of his games and he played like this as town. That's what kept me from calling him scum for this shit.

Anyway, I can see Mit and Farside as town atm. MIc doesn't look to good, asking some shitty questions.

[absta101]

So many players in this game are lazy, just fucking play!

Private why is your random vote still on me? Can you actually do something?

[absta101]

@Brian

I don't understand what it is you're asking me to do.

Why would you, as town, answer a question aimed at someone else? To me it looked like you were defending Jklash and I don't see why town-you would.

[absta101]

This game will prob get fucked because of this slacking play by town.

VOTE: Brian

[absta101]

I am trying to get people sorted out just not posting about it

Imagine if this excuse was acceptable. That'd be an epic game; would watch.

[absta101]

@Jklash

- Don't send the message to Mit, we've already said we'll decide who you will send it to at the end of the day. The only way you could just accept Mit as the receiver is if you know he's town. Otherwise you should be suspicious that he volunteered himself.

I ask you a question about your statement and your answer is the same statement; that's just too funny. I can't tell if this is you being new or if you're scum just trying to avoid all my questions.
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@Mit

- We could use Yiley to confirm me as town so scum has an incentive to kill me.

[absta101]

Actually, I could see Jklash as town. Not sure yet.

[absta101]

What reads do you currently have?

You feel town to me, although Im not really sure why. Absta has said a lot, but none of it is memorable and I am not sure why he is gaining town reads. Nothing else is jumping out at me about anyone expect Yiley.

So far this game looks more like scum-Yiley than town-Yiley

.

UNVOTE: Farside
VOTE: Yiley

Explain the bolded please.

[absta101]

@absta- Ok, I went back and saw your post about deciding later who I send the message to. Sorry if my explanations aren't clear. I never really have been that good at explaining things. I am fairly new to mafia and I am just trying to find scum and look town in the process so I don't get lynched when I am town.

Do you have any reads on anyone else?

[absta101]

Micc and Brian, based on their play here mostly. Meta is okay but not great.

[absta101]

@Brian - Please link me to you doing that before as town.

[absta101]

I believe the scum is in Micc/Private/Brian/Tier.

@Brian - I wasn't referring to your meta btw. Just the fact that I can't see any town intent for what you did.

[absta101]

This is why Tier is prob scum.

[absta101]

@Micc

- I looked at one of Yiley's town games and he played roughly the same there as he is here. So I don't feel comfortable calling him scum for his

completely fucking shit

playstyle.
As for the rest of you. You look increasingly scummy with every post you make. Your whole scum hunting seems fake, especially the questions aimed at farside. Tier is just terribly scummy at this point as well because he's only seemed to find one person scummy (private) who hasn't even been posting anything. It seems to me that he's scared of calling people scummy so he doesn't have to commit. That explains his vote on private and why he uses terms like "so that sucks" to describe scummy play.

I can see myself lynching you at the end of the day at this point though.

[absta101]

Catchup :

Micc what is your opinion on far side/absta?

He just said so in the post before, what was the point of this question?

NOT SCUMHUNTING

Seriously, this guy gets called in with a prod, and responds by more mechanics discussion? There was enough content to at least comment on,

so that sucks.

Why is there interest only in me and absta? Are you only scum searching based on roles? If so why?

Knowing all the roles makes it easier to see how the game might pan out. Because of your roles, this game is going to revolve around you and absta. Maybe not in day one, but farther down the road being solid on these two reads is going to be absolutely necessary. So yes, I am scum searching based on roles. It also helps that I have a newly finished game with half the player list. Im fairly confident that I can read Yiley. jklash and Tiershift not as much, but at least I have experience playing with them. Newbie 1474 in case anyone cares.

Mehhhhhhh..... so you're only scumhunting based on roles and nothing else? Convinced you can read me, yiley and jklash (like really but sure think that) but then not question us, trying to form these reads?

If it helps my town reads:

Mil
Abasta

questionable

Micc - I found his questions pretty bland and a few that I don't see how he can get an alignment read by them.

leaning scum

brain - machinc's talk. Going to the will of the town (it's odd but I need to see how much experience he has before I call it scummy) *on my to do list*

I think your reads are fine, the only one I have problems with is mit. Why is he so town to you? All I see in his posts is nullness and dullness and I can't say I really like that for town.

Nothing else is jumping out at me about anyone expect Yiley. So far this game looks more like scum-Yiley than town-Yiley.

UNVOTE: Farside
VOTE: Yiley

Why are you not interacting with him, asking him questions?

I am trying to get people sorted out just not posting about it

Please come post, or I might be inclined to vote you. How do you feel about micc's vote on you?

[more mechanics talk

No pls

So far, micc and brian don't really appease me

, private is conpletely gone and yiley refuses to cooperate. Mit is null and absta and farside look town, but I'm not 100% there. Jklash feels different from his last town game but it looks more like his game improved than that he's scum.

Micc, who can read me so well, what's your read on me?

Mitillos, who is scummiest atm and why?

The bolded.

Also consider how his only voting targets are Yiley and Private, the two players who don't post shit at all. Voting them is basically saying "let's PL these bitches instead of voting scummy players".

(Isn't Private V/LA anyway?)

[absta101]

I don't like farside that much anymore so she can be null (due to post 187).

[absta101]

@Brian

Anyhow, regardless of whether or not you used meta, you still didn't explain to me why town wouldn't do what I just did? Why can't town defend other players or interject themselves into other people's lines of questioning?

Because it doesn't help town-you in any way unless the person you are defending is a really strong town read. When you answer their questions for them you could potentially be helping scum. The optimal play would be to let them answer questions aimed at them so everyone can see how they respond and thus be able to form a read on them.

To me this is really obvious, hence why I asked you to give a reason why you as town would stop a line of questioning.
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P-Edit:

completely fucking shit playstyle.

Also yiley has feelings probably yaknow

Lol, trying to get me mod killed?

[absta101]

I don't like farside that much anymore so she can be null (due to post 187).

What's wrong with post 187?

You know the problem with this game is no one is really say much of anything. Private, Micc, Yiley, Jklash.
Even Mit kind of fell off this game.

You've got so much experience yet you still throw the OMGUS call on Brian?
I'm going to look into your reasons for voting Brian and see what I think.

[absta101]

Okay then Tier, who are your scumspects and why aren't you voting them (Brian and Micc are more vote worthy then Private btw).

Yiley just needs to replace out if he can't handle the pace of this game. That's my honest opinion.
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Unvote: Brian

For now.

[absta101]

Still, use OMGUS near new players and they'll think "holy shit she's right; he must be scum!".

I'll take a look later. I need to gtfo now.
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P-Edit: @Tier - So you'd rather PL than lynch scummy players?

[absta101]

This game has gotten quite complicated. I need more time but we only have 5 days so i'm going to have to speed this shit up.
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@Micc

That doesn't explain why Yiley didn't end up in your pile of players who you "believe the scum is in". Being outside of that pile seems to indicate a weak town read at the very least. What I am trying to understand is how your opinion of Yiley's playstyle makes you uncomfortable with calling him scum, but completely comfortable with suggesting he is town.

Yiley is null to me, not town...
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Okay did a re-read. I'm feeling quite confident in this strat right here:
VOTE: Tier

@Yiley

- Investigate Micc please.
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I gave my reasons for Tier-scum earlier and after the re-read i'm even more confident on it.

Farside is back to town. Mitt is town. Brian is not as scummy as before imo. Jklash is not a town read anymore. Not so sure on Micc scum anymore but still think he's a possibility. Worst case scenario, Yiley and Jklash are scum.

[absta101]

@Jklash

I am going to have to take another look at micc because he was scum in my other game with him

and in the game he looked super town.

Micc's play looks similar to his play in the game where he was scum

. I went back and compared I don't see anything that suggest he is town. So I am leaning scum on Micc.

This looks pretty bad. Are you voting Micc for looking like his previous game in which he looked town (but was scum)?
Not finding anything to suggest someone is town means that they're null, not scum (unless they look scummy for something else).

[absta101]

That actually made me lol.

Jklash look at my reasons for voting Tier if you must. You should probably just sheep me on this though.

[absta101]

They are just reads not my reasons for the reads obv.

[absta101]

True, he posted elsewhere on the 18th, 19th and 20th. He could've posted here then.

I think he should get replaced though and everyone should black list him if he turns out to be town.

[absta101]

@Brian

Implies I'm still a scumread. Did anything change for you? If not, why the unvote?

You became slightly less scummy due to your posts looking a bit more genuine and the fact that you defend people as town so it isn't really scummy for you to do it. Also, Tier and Micc are much more scummy at this point.

Care to elaborate on this strategy?

The strategy is just lynching Tier and investigating Micc.

Anyway, if you agree with my case, vote Tier. We only have 4 days left until deadline.
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@Farside

- It was partly gut feeling and what I said above^. Me removing my town read on you because of the omgus thing was just paranoia.
Yiley does look more scummy because of those quotes Micc provided. He looks even more scummy due to his latest post and activity.

What do you think of Tier?
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@Micc

I am still trying to figure out how you can believe scum is in this group of four even though you have Yiley as a null read. Especially when you are on record as saying that you wont call Yiley scum because of his "shit playstyle." Having no respect for Yiley's skills as a player is not a reason to keep him out of your scum list.

Yiley wasn't on my scum list because he hadn't done anything scummy (for him) when I made it. The reason why his playstyle isn't scummy to me is because his play was the same in another game I checked, like I said before.

Basically, if he plays like this as town then i can't call him scum for it. That was my point.
However, your case on him has shown that his play and attitude as town has been different to this. For that reason he is prob scum.

Anyway, what do you think of Tier?

[absta101]

His reads are fake. His arrogance rubs me the wrong way. His complaining about the lack of pro town play looks exactly like what I did in my first scum game. He is a hammerer, which means we should be policy lynching him sometime before MyLo anyways. He ignores the topics that I most want to hear from him about.

Why do you think my reads are fake?

Arrogance =/= scum.
We aren't going to policy lynch ever, it would just waste a lynch. Also, i'm not ignoring anything. If I missed something then just copy & paste and i'll respond.

[absta101]

So you think my lynch is shit, then you say i'd make a fine PL?

[absta101]

@Tier

Ew absta, micc's selling me on you. Why the crap are you standing by while yiley is being wagoned, 'seeing the case', but not forming your own opinion on it?

I'm not standing by, i'm voting you because you look more scummy. Also, I don't think you realise how easy it would be to form a fake opinion on Yiley at this point. Thinking I look scummy because I "haven't formed my own opinion" is weak.
Look at this:

Yiley gives off zero townvibes. He's been posting in mishmash while not here. I expected him to get involved in the past few days if he were town, but he hasn't done so.

The first bit is a really bad reason to call someone scum. If someone doesn't look town, they are null, not scum.
Pointing out that Yiley has been posting elsewhere is what I did in post #234, so that's nothing done on your part.
The last statement is the only part you could vaguely call a reason, and it's an easy one to make at that (I'd expect town-him to do 'X' but he hasn't so I think he's scum).
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@Micc

Your reads look fake because they change despite the person hardly posting in between.

What would be my scum motivation for this? The only way I can see this being a thing is if you think me and Brian are scum partners. Otherwise, scum-me would not change his read on Brian.
Also I think you missed the part where I said I re-read the game. That's why some of my reads changed.

I would like to hear why your read on Brian changed between your vote on him and your vote on Tiershift.

I explained this above. Here's a quote:

You became slightly less scummy due to your posts looking a bit more genuine and the fact that you defend people as town so it isn't really scummy for you to do it.

That's in regards to my read on Brian.
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P-Edit:

It's not really even that his reads change. If they didnt change he might get grief for tunneling on someone. Its that the change makes them look fake. I couldn't for the life of me tell you why he is voting for Tiershift....or why he thinks I look scummy.....or why he thinks jklash might be scum. All I see is a lot of effort to keep the lynch off Yiley, who he doesn't seem to want to go anywhere near.

Don't even try to say I don't have a reason for thinking you and Tier are scum. I made a clear reply

to you

about why you and Tier are scum reads here. Also, i'm the last guy anyone could say is tunnelling. Seriously, just look back.

Wow, are you seriously saying that you think i'm scum because i didn't want to vote Yiley before? I'm too tired for this shit. I'll explain why that's a terrible reason tomorrow.

[absta101]

Your reads look fake because they change despite the person hardly posting in between. You addressed the situation about your read on Yiley which is the main topic I thought you were ignoring. I would like to hear why your read on Brian changed between your vote on him and your vote on Tiershift. You are an automatic vote for scum in MyLo. Don't try to say you are not a legitimate policy lynch at some point soon.

I don't think Tiershift is scum, to answer that question.

Would you vote to lynch Yiley today or are you against that path of action?

Why do you think I am the best option for a cop investigation? (Tier, i want this answered before i comment on the topic of me being investigated)

Yes i would vote Yiley.

Because you were my next strongest scum read after Tier.

Do you think Tier is town? If yes, why?

[absta101]

I haven't thought about the PL situation yet. If it turns out to be best then sure w/e. I'll think it through now and see if it does.

[absta101]

@Tier
1. Scum can vote scum.
2. I'm obviously not 100% sure you guys are scum.
3. I don't look for associations until there is a scum flip. You, Micc and Yiley are scum reads but i'm not saying any of you are scum together.

Anyway, gtg for now.

[absta101]

Brian, Jklash and Farside; you need to vote either Yiley or Tier. We only have a few days left.

[absta101]

@Farside

Why do you have a scum read on Micc?

I've explained this too many times. I put a link in post #248.

The post about Tier calling out Yiley for posting elsewhere and mostly in mishmash is hypocritical of you to call scummy or questionable. I recall not too long ago you called me scum lurking and not active and voted for those reasons.

1. I didn't say he was scummy or questionable for it. I simply stated that I had already pointed that (what he said) out.
2. My reason for voting you was made near the beginning of the game.

What was wrong with post 189?

I stated in my 'case' on Tier. Here is a quote:

Tier is just terribly scummy at this point as well because he's only seemed to find one person scummy (private) who hasn't even been posting anything.

It seems to me that he's scared of calling people scummy so he doesn't have to commit. That explains his vote on private and why he uses terms like "so that sucks" to describe scummy play.

I was referring to post #189 when talking about his choice of words. This is another example from the same post (that I used in post 193):

So far, micc and brian don't really

appease me

, private is conpletely gone and yiley refuses to cooperate.

He says here that his scumspects are Micc and Brian.
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@Mit

@absta: Any thoughts on post 278?

I'm okay with being PL'd on the second day if it helps. I'd rather we lynch Tier or Yiley today though.
Micc actually looks slightly better now.

[absta101]

Yeah, that vote looked bad. Add private to the scum pile.
As of now I have it as Tier/Private/Yiley.

[absta101]

Quick post:
At least one scum is in Tier/Private if not both.

[absta101]

Okay then Tier, who are your scumspects and why aren't you voting them (Brian and Micc are more vote worthy then Private btw).

You even mention them in this post, so I think you know!

Private is voteworthy for not doing a fucking shit this game. In fact, if he comes back from his v/la and still doesn't do anything, I'd be happy to have him lynched.

What happened to your scum reads on Brian and Micc and why aren't you voting one of them now?

Also, explain why it was better for you to vote Private at the time instead of voting your scum reads Brian and Micc.

[absta101]

Ayway, I'm not getting on board with a PrivateI lynch, since that would really be only because he's lurking (which is not alignment indicative). In yiley's case, the lurking and refusing to get involved ís alignment indicative.
Pri=lurker yiley=scum.

Explain this. Why exactly is Yiley scum for lurking and Private not?
To me all you've said here is that "Yiley is not only lurking, he's also lurking!" Refusing to get involved is lurking.

[absta101]

Guys look at the Yiley waggon. At least one scum is on there. Tier or Private, or both.

[absta101]

I'm okay with lynching him but let's see how this day goes.

[absta101]

omg

[absta101]

Because of that epic play, we now don't know if the Doc protected someone and succeeded or if the RB took place.

[absta101]

It prob doesn't matter too much though. There's no real reason for RB not to take place regardless. Even if Brian was scum, he would still use it.

[absta101]

VOTE: Tier

[absta101]

I think we've won now anyway.

[absta101]

Seriously Tier and Private, just send a message to the Mod saying you give up.

[absta101]

No way. If Absta is town and we lynch him then we committed to a mislynch. Who would have guessed?

I don't care if doesn't have a net gain.

It doesn't have a net loss.

Am I the only one who understands that?

We get a flip and don't lose any ground on the endgame. Its a dream come true. Why don't you people understand?

VOTE: Absta

If it doesn't have a net gain then why the hell do you want to do it so badly? I thought the whole point of your plan was to reduce our numbers so catching scum would be easier. The fact is, because of Yiley's lynch and town-flip we don't have to reduce our numbers anymore. It's clear to anyone that there is at least one scum on Yiley's waggon. This means that even if you chose one of us at random from the waggon, you'd have a 1/5 chance of being right*. That's all objective though. The whole point of this game is to form opinions on players. We can't keep being objective and lynching people based on worst case scenarios.

If you have a town read on farside then you shouldn't vote me because of my role. You should vote the most scummy player on Yiley's waggon.
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*If you're on the Yiley waggon and you're town, you have a 1/4 chance of being right.

[absta101]

I am suspicious of Absta because everything he says seems fake. His tone is too forceful, his confidence is too high, and it doesn't feel right.

So basically your read on me is gut based?
None of what you say here is scummy; How is having a forceful tone scummy? How is being confident scummy? Assuming I know i'm attacking town, shouldn't I have little confidence?

I am suspicious of Tiershift because his Day1 kind of matches the description of his own scum game that he gave me.

When did you notice this?

[absta101]

Also, your confidence was too high yesterday as well. You were willing to lynch

our cop

because you thought he was 99% scum. That's scummy right? (hint: no)

[absta101]

Also, Tier answer my questions please.

[absta101]

I'm not calling people scum for voting Yiley, i'm saying there's a very high chance scum voted Yiley with strategic purposes.

I think Micc is town and it should be obvious if you've even read my posts. I just wanted to put a little pressure on Micc earlier.
I'm still unsure about Brian and he's mostly null now.

Private just did nothing, came in and hammered our cop.

Bolded doesn't answer my question. Why were you voting private

at the time

(before your vote on Yiley) instead of your scum reads.
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I don't see Jklash as scum. Other than his other town tells, he was strongly against Yiley's waggon at first. Which doesn't make much sense as scum.

[absta101]

It's damn obvious fake vote

Which doesn't seem logical at all for scum.

I'm way more comfy with the yiley lynch.

I mean this just looks terrible. If it was a fake vote, which it clearly wasn't, why would you go out and tell everyone that it was fake? The whole point of doing fake votes as town is so you can get reactions from people. Can you explain why you kept ruining Private's attempt at getting reactions from his fake vote?
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P-Edit: I had Yiley as a null read. I clearly said I can't call him scum for the meta

I found on him

.

[absta101]

Because half the game was lurking and I was pressuring lurkers out of lurking. You seem to use all kind of neutral behaviours as scumtells.

Half the game? Who are the players that were lurking at the time?
Also, I find it funny how a lurker (you) was pressuring lurkers out of lurking. 90% of your posts were setup spec just like private (before your vote on private).

What neutral behaviours?
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Jklash looked town here. Also, i'm under the impression that he would've still voted for Micc if I hadn't pointed out the flaws in his reason. You have a point though.

[absta101]

I think there was very little to be gained from reactions at that point in time.

Still, what was your town motivation for ruining it? There's always a chance that he could've got some good reactions. There's literally no downside to his "fake vote" there. The only downside is to scum because he could've moved the votes off of Yiley and onto him by doing that.

[absta101]

It's possible that you just wanted to be sure that if his vote didn't count, town would still lynch Yiley.

[absta101]

You missed 2 questions.

[absta101]

Good one Tier.

[absta101]

Okay wtf is this shit. Why is no one posting?

[absta101]

Agreed.

[absta101]

Slow day today.

Micc- I'm guessing you meant to vote absta not unvote. Do you not like the private lynch?

No, he meant to unvote me. He was already voting me before.

[absta101]

While we wait, how good is your scum game?

[absta101]

Someone posting elsewhere private
Fasinating that yiley got called for that but not private.

*looks at clock*
Count down
*tick*
*tick*

It's null, we've already established people like Yiley do this.

I'll try to figure out who amongst Micc, Tier and Private are scum starting tomorrow.

[absta101]

@Brian

I'm only halfway through on my re-read. I'll finish catching up tomorrow. Gotta wake up early.

Wth is this? Why are you re-reading the whole game? All you've been doing lately is prod dodging. Just post your reads and we'll move on from there.
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@Private

Ok, so out of curiosity, why are we not lynching Absta?

VOTE: Absta

There are more than a few people who view him as scummy

, and he is a DEFINITE detriment to town in the endgame. And he will make it to endgame. No scumteam in their right mind would shoot that.

The bolded. You don't say i'm scummy, you just say people find me scummy. That's such a terrible reason and you look even more scummy for it.
Also, we've been over the whole detriment thing. It doesn't make sense to lynch me because of my role unless you have a scum read on Farside.

[absta101]

@Mitt

- Is Micc still a town read and Why?
What's your read on Tier?

[absta101]

@Tier

I believe private is scum and it is either Micc or Tier as the second scum.

I don't think it's either of us!

Farside, I think you missed my question on absta. Why is he not in your scumspects? Why isn't brian?

Why is Micc a town read?

[absta101]

@Private

Ok, so out of curiosity, why are we not lynching Absta?

VOTE: Absta

Mod, my vote is on Absta.

You said other people find me scummy, but nothing about yourself. Do you find me scummy, and why?
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@Tier

- Can you answer my questions?

Why is Micc a town read?

[absta101]

@Micc

- I think you should only vote me for PL reasons if you have farside as a scum read (or maybe null). Otherwise, you should vote me only if i'm a scum read.

Absta still feels like scum to me

If you think this, why did you unvote me?

[absta101]

Interesting point. Question is, would you confirm farside town like this as scum.

[absta101]

@Mit

- Well I agree somewhat. Tier doesn't look as bad anymore.
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Private is still prob scum to me. I'm not going to assume that he's a noob town like Yiley unless someone gives a good reason why I should.

Unvote: Tier

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Yiley (6) TierShift, jklash12, farside22, PrivateI, absta101

Just for future reference (Micc is also included in this as well).

I'm most confident in a private lynch today. If anyone can make a case on anyone else, now would be the time. We only have 4 days left.

[absta101]

Also, try not to think about scum partners until we have a scum flip.

[absta101]

So much for not looking for scum teams. I thought farside was one of your town reads?

[absta101]

If we don't get a deadline extension then Private or Tier die.
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@Micc

- Answer my question. Why did you unvote me if i'm a scum read? Why aren't you voting me now?
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P-Edit: Okay, time to lynch one of them.

@Private - You have one day before you die. Please come in and convince us that you are town.

I'm not sure which i want to lynch at this point, i'm going to read back a bit.

[absta101]

Actually. As long as no town player votes anyone until we decide who to lynch tomorrow, we should be okay.

VOTE: Private
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If private somehow doesn't flip scum, we should either PL me or just try to lynch scum. If we chose to PL me, we'll survive longer but we'll still have the same amount of suspects. Scum will just kill Mitt, then Farside. They are too players who are seen as town by nearly everyone. Therefore, we haven't gained anything by surviving longer. Either way doesn't matter as far as I can see.

[absta101]

I personally do not like the hammer or even Private's wording. I did a short meta dive into private as well (and when I have time I will post the links) his scum game is not idiotic in the least. I just remember that off the top of my head but links will come tomorrow with this.

I played in a game and modded a game? Compared to the previous Marathon Weekend, as your extensive meta research should have told you, that is a HUGE decrease in activity. Don't deign to tell me that I'm not significantly busier right now than I have been at any point on this site. As I said, I'm doing my best to stay up in all games because the thought of replacing out does not appeal to me whatsoever.

FFs, if you are town, fucking replace out NOW! At least then we can have an extension. You will seriously lose us this game otherwise.

[absta101]

He's about as scummy as you atm. Private has been more scummy though.

[absta101]

What do you mean?

[absta101]

However looking at his games it doesn't fit into either town or scum play. How does it make him scum here?

I don't think that's a valid reason to be unsure of private. Especially considering he only has a few hundred posts on the site.

If his play here doesn't look like either his scum game or town game then you can't use meta to defend or attack him. However, this does not mean we cannot call him scummy solely for his play in this game.

[absta101]

Going to wait for AJ's catch-up.

Removed from my town pile.

You've literally avoided this whole day.

[absta101]

I also have exams soon (2 weeks).

[absta101]

First off, the complete bullshit dis. The whole town is "scummy" and Yiley has a "shit playstyle". Alright, so we've covered all the ground for the "I'm superior by your lack of ability" attitude in two lines? Calls tier scum on, from looking back, complete lies. More importantly, Tier had been the most recent speaker in most of the previous posts NOT made by Absta, which should require a first person interaction AFTER the introduction. However, Absta only talks about Tier. The issue being scum will talk ABOUT and AROUND their opponents, even when engaged in discussion. 189 was tier's general post, 190 Absta states that "This is why tier is prob scum", not addressing a specific part of the post but the whole post. Tier responds again, but Absta's next post (the one quoted) still does not address tier in first person.

1. I didn't mean the whole town by "the rest of you". I was referring to Micc, Tier and I think Brian and Private. Micc asked me why I thought scum was in Brian, Micc, Tier, Private.

2. Point out those lies please.

3. I was probably talking about Tier like that because I was explaining my read on him to Micc.

[absta101]

@AJ

-

I was referring to the people in my scum pile

. Micc, Tier, Private, Brian.

You ignore the fact that in his post two above, he immediately calls Brian TWICE on being unhelpful and 'discussing game mechanics' over content. He also expresses issues with Yiley, so right there you have two people outside of PrivateI...

This shit here is amazing.
If you've read his post properly, you'll see that he doesn't even hint at seeing Brian or Yiley as scum. Look here:

Seriously, this guy gets called in with a prod, and responds by more mechanics discussion? There was enough content to at least comment on,

so that sucks

.

So that sucks? How in the fucking hell do you see that as, "this guys is scum" or "this guys is now one of my scum suspects". All he's doing here is complaining that Brian isn't playing pro-town.

Please come post, or I might be inclined to vote you. How do you feel about micc's vote on you?

This is

not

Tier saying that he'll vote Yiley because he thinks that he is scum. This is Tier saying, start posting or i'm going to push a PL on you. That's something people do to people who lurk, not their suspects.
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I gotta run, i'll come back later. You clearly don't understand what I wrote. Go and read that fucking paragraph again, in context, then come back and apologise for your bs. Thank you.

[absta101]

And so it begins.
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P-Edit: God damn it Farside, I wanted to post first. But yeah, I agree.

[absta101]

Would've been better if you hadn't of pointed it out. We could've got some decent reactions from that.

[absta101]

You know what, add this Aj guy into my scum pile. That post was way too manipulative to come from town.

[absta101]

LOL, you're the best. I actually like you now.

[absta101]

You're still scum though.

[absta101]

@Farside

This is a game of debating. If you're going to say something, back it up. From what I've read and the result you guys had day 1, there is a dysfunction within the town and I'll do my best by any means necessary to fix it. If you wish to continue being so damn paranoid, go ahead but at least be paranoid and informed. Point out what you mean. I certainly will try to persuade, debate and

even go so far as to play dirty, especially when I know I'm right

. However, in a debate, persuasion is the goal and mafia is nothing if not a debate at the core.

@Absta, try to disregard me as such. You won't be able to because I won't allow it. I haven't played this game for five years to fall for such a stupid ploy I've seen played many times far more effectively.

You can use this later to protect yourself if too many people think you're being manipulative. Very nice.

[absta101]

VOTE: Aj

Time to die my friend.

L-1

[absta101]

If i'm a town read why are you even contemplating voting me?

[absta101]

7 hours left.

@Mod - Could you give the players a friendly prod to tell them the day is nearly over please.

[absta101]

@Private - Just replace out already.
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@Mitt - come vote Aj please. We only have a few hours.

[absta101]

4 hours guys. Please...

[absta101]

I will hold Tier responsible for this.

[absta101]

And so it begins.

[absta101]

Don't vote yet. Let's talk about who to lynch first.

I'll be back in a bit.

[absta101]

Anyway, I think Tier is pretty much confirmed scum at this point, if we assume scum was on the Aj waggon.
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@Tier

Yo I'll hammer in time, dun worry

Whether or not that vote by PrivateI counted, that vote sucks and reeks of survivalism.

This jumps out as language that doesn't fit jklash's writing style. Hmm.

AJ is really weird and shit with his absta suspicions.

Now I'll read absta.

Can you elaborate on that Jklash quote?

[absta101]

Because he was trying to manipulate which didn't look town at all.

It is possible that both scum were voting for me but you are more likely scum than Micc.

[absta101]

I voted Aj because I found him more scummy.
I first thought jklash was town but then he became null.

[absta101]

Waiting on everyone else to come in and give their thoughts, then we'll lynch you.

[absta101]

haha Tier, please spare us the bs.

[absta101]

@Micc

Well that was a pretty terrible lynch. I want to look at Tier and Brian mostly because I'm pretty shaky on those two. Private could still go either way but my gut has been saying lynchbait all game and I highly doubt that wagon got pushed through with only one scum. Ill probably have to reread a few times. Ill probably start by looking at reads on jklash for people on the AJ wagon because there seemed to be a whole lot of ignoring the first four-fifths of the game from everybody on that wagon.

So basically you have no scum reads?

[absta101]

The way I see it, if Tier is town, scum would vote him now, seeing as me and Farside both want him dead.

[absta101]

So Tier, gg you've lost.

[absta101]

also, farside can't be scum with anyone else but me, therefore she is confirmed town (to me at least). VOTE: Tier

[absta101]

@Brian - It'd be Private.

[absta101]

You know what, i'm super confident Tier is scum. Fucking kill him NOW!

Farside you can vote him. If Tier was town, scum would be helping us push his lynch hard. No one is doing that, therefore he is scum.

[absta101]

Tier it hurts knowing that you're going to get lynched anyway doesn't it? Just vote yourself and get it over with.

[absta101]

Crap I again forgot maf have daytalk

This is too funny.

[absta101]

Guys, Tier is confirmed town because of that quote. That much is obvious.

[absta101]

Phone post so no quotes.

Tier, Farside townread broke down with her coming out of the gates firing on day3. Doesn't feel right compared to the careful, cautious playstyle saw in day 1. Feels a little bit much like scum trying to wrap up a win as quickly as possible. Really, at this point town should be stepping back, analyzing the whole game and figuring things out. I guess her day3 feels rushed. Besides that, its LyLo which means its time to consider rethink the things I thought previously.

Im just going to go ahead and agree with most everything Brian said in that last post.

Anyway, im home from school for the holiday and i probably wont be getting around to this again while im here.

Mod, could i have V/LA until Monday?

I hope you realise that farside is confirmed town at this stage unless you think i'm scum.

She can't be scum with anyone but me

or she would've ended the game already.

[absta101]

VOTE: Tier

[absta101]

@Brian - What do you think of Tier?

[absta101]

Also where is the replacement?

[absta101]

Eek. Where are you? I see you posted in other games.

Ha! This guy!

So basically you're scum?

[absta101]

Basically this game is already over for scum. All that's left is convincing Brian to vote Tier. After that we vote Private and we win.

[absta101]

I have exams soon, that's why I haven't been posting.

[absta101]

lol keep going micc.

[absta101]

okay. I'm town and Farside is confirmed town to me. If Tier was town, scum would be pushing his lynch right now. All they would need is one vote on him because me and farside want him dead anyway. Seeing as no one but me and farside is actually pushing him with confidence, he must be scum (from my perspective). Unless scum is trolling and just prolonging the game.

Brian sees him as scum but hasn't really been pushing his lynch from what I've seen.

[absta101]

omg it's not that hard for me to quote my original case on Tier. Holy shit. I just don't care.

I'll do it now if you want it that badly.

[absta101]

@Micc

- I looked at one of Yiley's town games and he played roughly the same there as he is here. So I don't feel comfortable calling him scum for his

completely fucking shit

playstyle.
As for the rest of you. You look increasingly scummy with every post you make. Your whole scum hunting seems fake, especially the questions aimed at farside. Tier is just terribly scummy at this point as well because he's only seemed to find one person scummy (private) who hasn't even been posting anything. It seems to me that he's scared of calling people scummy so he doesn't have to commit. That explains his vote on private and why he uses terms like "so that sucks" to describe scummy play.

I can see myself lynching you at the end of the day at this point though.

Catchup :

Micc what is your opinion on far side/absta?

He just said so in the post before, what was the point of this question?

NOT SCUMHUNTING

Seriously, this guy gets called in with a prod, and responds by more mechanics discussion? There was enough content to at least comment on,

so that sucks.

Why is there interest only in me and absta? Are you only scum searching based on roles? If so why?

Knowing all the roles makes it easier to see how the game might pan out. Because of your roles, this game is going to revolve around you and absta. Maybe not in day one, but farther down the road being solid on these two reads is going to be absolutely necessary. So yes, I am scum searching based on roles. It also helps that I have a newly finished game with half the player list. Im fairly confident that I can read Yiley. jklash and Tiershift not as much, but at least I have experience playing with them. Newbie 1474 in case anyone cares.

Mehhhhhhh..... so you're only scumhunting based on roles and nothing else? Convinced you can read me, yiley and jklash (like really but sure think that) but then not question us, trying to form these reads?

If it helps my town reads:

Mil
Abasta

questionable

Micc - I found his questions pretty bland and a few that I don't see how he can get an alignment read by them.

leaning scum

brain - machinc's talk. Going to the will of the town (it's odd but I need to see how much experience he has before I call it scummy) *on my to do list*

I think your reads are fine, the only one I have problems with is mit. Why is he so town to you? All I see in his posts is nullness and dullness and I can't say I really like that for town.

Nothing else is jumping out at me about anyone expect Yiley. So far this game looks more like scum-Yiley than town-Yiley.

UNVOTE: Farside
VOTE: Yiley

Why are you not interacting with him, asking him questions?

I am trying to get people sorted out just not posting about it

Please come post, or I might be inclined to vote you. How do you feel about micc's vote on you?

[more mechanics talk

No pls

So far, micc and brian don't really appease me

, private is conpletely gone and yiley refuses to cooperate. Mit is null and absta and farside look town, but I'm not 100% there. Jklash feels different from his last town game but it looks more like his game improved than that he's scum.

Micc, who can read me so well, what's your read on me?

Mitillos, who is scummiest atm and why?

The bolded.

Also consider how his only voting targets are Yiley and Private, the two players who don't post shit at all. Voting them is basically saying "let's PL these bitches instead of voting scummy players".

(Isn't Private V/LA anyway?)

[absta101]

All this doesn't even matter anymore, Tier is confirmed scum to me.

[absta101]

If Tier is town, we lose so let's see.

[absta101]

If I don't die from this, it should be confirmed to you guys that one of me or Tier is scum.

[absta101]

Well, game was hard. Good job Brian.