Micro 310: Shitty Joke Smalltown II (game over)

[TierShift]

I know I will be referring to it multiple times throughout this game.

Already got your next moves planned, scum?

On a more serious note, there's more than a few people doing nothing but mechanics discussion and it's not to my liking.

[PrivateI]

My primary experience with Yiley is on another forum. Maybe he's more shrewd here, which is entirely possible.

[absta101]

I looked on one of his games and he played like this as town. That's what kept me from calling him scum for this shit.

Anyway, I can see Mit and Farside as town atm. MIc doesn't look to good, asking some shitty questions.

[absta101]

So many players in this game are lazy, just fucking play!

Private why is your random vote still on me? Can you actually do something?

[farside22]

So many players in this game are lazy, just fucking play!

Private why is your random vote still on me? Can you actually do something?

God this post reminds me of many games ago my attitude on people throught my years.

Just some friendly advice. If yiley is like this in other games (will check this out) and people being lazy is almost normal. I found that life has a funny way of getting in the way. I now have low expectations from mafia players. Plus you have those that just want to be as low active as possible for meta purposes.

If it helps my town reads:

Mil
Abasta

questionable

Micc - I found his questions pretty bland and a few that I don't see how he can get an alignment read by them.

leaning scum

brain - machinc's talk. Going to the will of the town (it's odd but I need to see how much experience he has before I call it scummy) *on my to do list*

[Micc]

I know I will be referring to it multiple times throughout this game.

Already got your next moves planned, scum?

When I am scum there is nothing to plan. Town miraculously lynches itself while I act like I don't have any clue whats going on.

My primary experience with Yiley is on another forum. Maybe he's more shrewd here, which is entirely possible.

That's interesting. In the only scum game I have ever seen from Yiley, he lurked hard and showed absolutely no interest. In his town games he seems involved and interested despite generally being lynchbait because of his playstyle and lack of shrewdness. What do you know about his scum games from that other site?



Farside, whats up with the half reads list? Why are the other players not included?

[Brian Skies]

Is it normal for you to go with what the masses want? Have you ever played a small town game before?

I've never played in a small town game before (I have played in a micro before), and thought this set-up would be good for working on my mafia theory.

And no. I typically let the town do their thing and I do my thing (which is sometimes just me watching them do their thing while I look at some butterfly that passed me by). Something will eventually interest me and I'll prod at it for a bit and develop my reads.

I hardly consider letting the town decide to be going with the masses. The only two possibilities are a) the town decides to go with the plan that I support (and I've already stated so) or b) the town doesn't want to go through with it, in which case I get to use my ability how I want to (which still might be using it on N1). In either scenario, I get what I want.

@Brain: What makes a no lynch better for day 1 vs day 2?

I don't really think there's a discerning difference (because you wind up with the same overall end result), and stating so is weird to me. Which is why I was asking people about it. But if I had to choose a day to no lynch on, Day 1 makes more sense to me.

1) You no lynch Day 1. Day 2 is a fresh start and you can use a lynch to find scum and information for the investigation on N2.
2) You lynch Day 1 to find scum and information. You no lynch Day 2 because you already decided to have a no lynch. ???? Why? You might as well just continue scum-hunting and lynching people at that point.

@jklash: Still not sure if I'm getting it. Did you think Brian was a vig? And that PrivateI would try to get him mislynched, if he didn't use his power on N1?

I can see why you would be confused with how jklash got from point A to point B, but don't you think he probably just had a small mental lapse? It's not like he tried to push it anywhere and he clearly realized his mistake immediately after you pointed it out to him.

Noted.

Do you disagree? What do you think about it?

Btw @Brian, feel free to state the town intent in answering the question (that Mit presented) for Jklash.

I don't understand what it is you're asking me to do.

As for jklash, it's possible, sure. It's not like I'm calling him scum for it. I just didn't like the way he wasn't explaining clearly where he got the idea of a mislynch (being evasive, as I said). Transparency is pro-town.

Transparency is pro-town. Sure. But I don't really know what you're expecting to get out of it. It's possible he just had a complete mental lapse and realized his mistake. Even if he can't thoroughly explain his thought process, it's something that town are just as likely to do as scum.

And there's nothing he can say that will grant a favorable response except "oh wow, that's some really weird derp logic you got going on." And I find players of both alignments go through those moments.

There you go Mit, proving exactly what I said in the beginning. You'll be less likely to vote the important PRs.

Why does this matter? I thought the idea of this set-up was to use the roles available to try and squeeze out the scum-team.

The day 2 no lynch would only be viable if we mislynched day 1 and were potentially in MyLo. Yiley is the cop, and I am fairly confident that between Tiershift, jklash, and I we can read him accurately. Getting to that night 2 cop investigation without losing excessive town players could be the difference in the game.

Okay. This makes sense.

it's odd but I need to see how much experience he has before I call it scummy

I have 20+ games, two of which are scum-games. But my town play is a bit erratic.

Anyhow, I don't really know you guys and meta-diving isn't my thing (I have done it, but it's a last resort).

[TierShift]

When I am scum there is nothing to plan. Town miraculously lynches itself while I act like I don't have any clue whats going on.

Oh you

[N]

Vote Count 1.05

Mitillos

(0)

Micc

(0)

absta101

(2)

PrivateI, jklash12

farside22

(1) Micc

PrivateI

(1) TierShift

Brian Skies

(0)

TierShift

(1) Yiley

Yiley

(0)

jklash12

(0)

Not Voting

(4) farside22, Brian Skies, absta101, Mitillos

With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-03-26 23:10:08)

V/LA:

farside22 on weekends, PrivateI until Thursday

[Yiley]

When I am scum there is nothing to plan. Town miraculously lynches itself while I act like I don't have any clue whats going on.

Oh you

Right after we both just got beat by scum micc who looked like obv town.

[farside22]

Is it normal for you to go with what the masses want? Have you ever played a small town game before?

I've never played in a small town game before (I have played in a micro before), and thought this set-up would be good for working on my mafia theory.

And no. I typically let the town do their thing and I do my thing (which is sometimes just me watching them do their thing while I look at some butterfly that passed me by). Something will eventually interest me and I'll prod at it for a bit and develop my reads.

I hardly consider letting the town decide to be going with the masses. The only two possibilities are a) the town decides to go with the plan that I support (and I've already stated so) or b) the town doesn't want to go through with it, in which case I get to use my ability how I want to (which still might be using it on N1). In either scenario, I get what I want.

@Brain: What makes a no lynch better for day 1 vs day 2?

I don't really think there's a discerning difference (because you wind up with the same overall end result), and stating so is weird to me. Which is why I was asking people about it. But if I had to choose a day to no lynch on, Day 1 makes more sense to me.

I offically believe Brain is scum this game.

vote: Brian Skies

He admits to not going with the masses but wants to please the town on something he already stated he would do. Yeah those things don't add up. Pleasing town is not making waves. You have a thought and know it's best you use it.

@micc: I asked you a question here the first one
I'm looking for an answer.

Farside, whats up with the half reads list? Why are the other players not included?

Null to no info, need to post more. Can't have a read on players that either post nothing but one liners (yiley), nothing but machanics and meta (private) and jklash (nothing I remember from him currently)
Tier is questionable but moving up to null.

What reads do you currently have?

[absta101]

@Brian

I don't understand what it is you're asking me to do.

Why would you, as town, answer a question aimed at someone else? To me it looked like you were defending Jklash and I don't see why town-you would.

[Micc]

I'm numbing instead of seperating this. If your confused let me know.
1) If you remember the start of the game I stated 3 roles I wanted one was 1-shot RB. I already had the thought of how best to use that ability as town and if I was scum and had the role I would have used it had it been suggested. (yes WIFOM) but that is how the start of the game is, you pick what is best and how to use it no matter the aligment. (well you should)

That all makes good sense but what I'm really interested in why you threw the "Now that I know my alignment" bit into that post. If you were scum would you have suggested the plan or not?

No.
What is the point of this question? How do you learn my alignment with it?

I remember typing up a response to this, but I am not sure how it got left out of my post. Sorry about that.

The point of the question was to generate conversation and help me get an idea of your playstyle. Understanding where people are coming and how they think helps me determine their alignment based on their actions and their intentions.

What reads do you currently have?

You feel town to me, although Im not really sure why. Absta has said a lot, but none of it is memorable and I am not sure why he is gaining town reads. Nothing else is jumping out at me about anyone expect Yiley. So far this game looks more like scum-Yiley than town-Yiley.

UNVOTE: Farside
VOTE: Yiley

[Mitillos]

@Micc: Could you explain your Yiley read in more detail? Also, many happy returns.

@Brian: The thing is, he could have just been hastily slinging mud, then backed off when called out for it. I questioned him further, to see if that was the impression I got. It wasn't, but that doesn't invalidate the questioning. As for using the more powerful roles to find scum, that only works if those roles are on town. absta's worries are valid on that point, although I can see a bit of self-preservation in his objections as well, since his role is somewhat negative utility.

@Yiley: Could you give some reads? You haven't really said much. You're only going to get at most one investigation, so it's worrying that you're not trying your hardest to sort people out.

[absta101]

This game will prob get fucked because of this slacking play by town.

VOTE: Brian

[Yiley]

I am trying to get people sorted out just not posting about it

[absta101]

I am trying to get people sorted out just not posting about it

Imagine if this excuse was acceptable. That'd be an epic game; would watch.

[jklash12]

@jklash: Still not sure if I'm getting it. Did you think Brian was a vig? And that PrivateI would try to get him mislynched, if he didn't use his power on N1?

I think I have said pretty much all I can say about this. I thought he had a power that is not in this game where he can shoot someone and that would replace the lynch. I made a mistake and I have tried to explain what mistaken thought process was to you.

@Jklash

- Still don't understand your thought process. Can you just spell it out for us.

Probably not scared but you may want to stop any suspicion before it got started.

How would voting someone who has the same votes as me stop suspicion forming on myself?
Why did you think that I thought voting farside would help?

Your vote on me had nothing to do with my reason for voting farside, just the fact that farside happened to be on the same votes as me. That doesn't seem like a town way of scum hunting. I could've wrote the best case ever on farside and you could've still voted me for the same reason.

All I thought was that you might be trying to avoid some suspicion. It wasn't a major scum tell to me. My vote is just sitting on you until I find someone who I have a strong scum read on. Of course if you got close to being lynched I took (L-1) I would unvote because the only thing with you is that it looked a little weird not entirely scummy.

@jklash: Please send me a message tonight.

gotcha

[jklash12]

And we need to watch out for Micc he has a good scum game.

[absta101]

@Jklash

- Don't send the message to Mit, we've already said we'll decide who you will send it to at the end of the day. The only way you could just accept Mit as the receiver is if you know he's town. Otherwise you should be suspicious that he volunteered himself.

I ask you a question about your statement and your answer is the same statement; that's just too funny. I can't tell if this is you being new or if you're scum just trying to avoid all my questions.
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@Mit

- We could use Yiley to confirm me as town so scum has an incentive to kill me.

[absta101]

Actually, I could see Jklash as town. Not sure yet.

[jklash12]

@absta- Ok, I went back and saw your post about deciding later who I send the message to. Sorry if my explanations aren't clear. I never really have been that good at explaining things. I am fairly new to mafia and I am just trying to find scum and look town in the process so I don't get lynched when I am town.

[absta101]

What reads do you currently have?

You feel town to me, although Im not really sure why. Absta has said a lot, but none of it is memorable and I am not sure why he is gaining town reads. Nothing else is jumping out at me about anyone expect Yiley.

So far this game looks more like scum-Yiley than town-Yiley

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UNVOTE: Farside
VOTE: Yiley

Explain the bolded please.

[absta101]

@absta- Ok, I went back and saw your post about deciding later who I send the message to. Sorry if my explanations aren't clear. I never really have been that good at explaining things. I am fairly new to mafia and I am just trying to find scum and look town in the process so I don't get lynched when I am town.

Do you have any reads on anyone else?

[TierShift]

So far this game looks more like scum-Yiley than town-Yiley.

Is it shitty cold-meta time?

I'll get more involved tomorrow I hope.