NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Stuffed Crust]

If you think I'd give a shit you'd be disappointed.

Well aren't you the delight. Do you drown kittens in your spare time?

OH MY GOD DID YOU JUST ASSOCIATE GOODMORNING WITH DROWNING CATS? SHAME ON YOU, REPENT!

[Stuffed Crust]

Cephrir, agreed on Giests although the post that seemed genuinely at ease to me was the post after you townread them. Not sure about Generic yet. I read the Cash Cabd game before and I agree, both with his reaction sounding like he was trying too hard and it not fitting in with his scum-meta. We can discuss specifics later on.

Tammy seems disappointed in drawing scum. Let's lynch Tammy.

VOTE: Tammy

tammy's always disappointed in drawing scum. even when she's town.

NULLTELL

[Stuffed Crust]

If you think I'd give a shit you'd be disappointed.

Well aren't you the delight. Do you drown kittens in your spare time?

OH MY GOD DID YOU JUST ASSOCIATE GOODMORNING WITH DROWNING CATS? SHAME ON YOU, REPENT!

You're still never getting a pizza.

i had a pizza yesterday.

no stuffed crust

[Stuffed Crust]

i am not filling out that form. cabd can do it for me when im obvtown.

[Stuffed Crust]

Vote: BRO

[Stuffed Crust]

bro is scum guys let's go!

[Stuffed Crust]

Yuck.

VOTE: Stuffed Crust

SCUMBUDDY FOUND

[Stuffed Crust]

meh, Stuffed Crust is ok. Not very good posting but the scummiest thing is that they have a Barkley avi instead of obvious stuffed crust pizza. Since you guys asked, the reason that I didn't like Gen's 285 is 'cause I though what Fery wrote (about reading us) was plenty reasonable and Gen making a big hoopla out of that rubs me in the wrong way. Or maybe I'm just used to the way GIF rubs me.

what the fuck is this

meh, Stuffed Crust is ok. Not very good posting but the scummiest thing is that they have a Barkley avi instead of obvious stuffed crust pizza. Since you guys asked, the reason that I didn't like Gen's 285 is 'cause I though what Fery wrote (about reading us) was plenty reasonable and Gen making a big hoopla out of that rubs me in the wrong way. Or maybe I'm just used to the way GIF rubs me.

There's more to it though.
I find the lack of v's presence disturbing.

oh you got us! varsoon's been lurking sitewide so we can gain an advantage in this game!

no wait. that's not right, is it?

what a weak place to put your vote. i feel like you're pretending to do some work.

catching up now

[Stuffed Crust]

have zero motivation to read 30 pages. what's happening?

(i'll probably do it tomorrow)

[Stuffed Crust]

not one post has been by varsoon as of yet.

[Stuffed Crust]

i think varsoon likes to sign his posts. we haven't synced yet.

i could pretend to be varsoon if you want?

DAT ASS TOO FAT~~~~

[Stuffed Crust]

OK HERE GOES THE CATCHUP~~~

bro is scum guys let's go!

IF bro is scum, he's playing nothing like his 165 or xenoblade self. He's also put himself into a position where he's dead meat if he's scum.

Can you explain what you mean here?

So my brain feels like its half broken so
How many posts of SC was Varsoon?
If there was more than one of his posts, im voting him.

stop pretending like you didn't know it was me, and not varsoon.

generic is town i think. I'm happy to say that for now. #294 sealed it for me.

@Casso

- thor in particular here, why did you townread us early on in 306?

I also didn't have a good townread on BRO until about two pages ago. What do you think of that?

I think it's strange given your #335. whats up with that?

this is all i can manage because this fucking computer is horrendously slow. like it's being run by fucking hamsters.

this was Mac. have a nice day. x

[Stuffed Crust]

oh yeah.

unvote

[Stuffed Crust]

Spoiler:

OK, I have to ask this, but is fferyllt a real person?

I only ever see them in hydras, I have a theory they are a dummy account people can use to create theoretical hydras because they have no friends... Natirasha, im looking at you here

I'm going to secretly love you forever now, k?

Starting reading this, realized it was 44 pages so far on a D1, promptly shit my pants.

That said, it's captivating that there's two major wagons building right now. This means there is likely a scum being wagon'd and a lot of scum split between the two wagons.

Of course, then again, this shit could be multiball, so I'm going to operate under the notion that it is not until it is confirmed to be (this is when someone quotes something from the setup to prove it is for me and I feel like a massive tool).

Anyway, as my first post, I'm going to do you all a favor and confirm myself as town. I'm town. Deal with it, nerds.

@Desperado:

Why does that concern you?

@BRO:

I think you're scum. Prove that you're not.

@Pieguyn:

I'm not scum this round, but it's really cute to see you voting for me again. Can you put your vote to better use soon?

@Everyone:

Hey guys, I'm Varsoon, of Stuffed Crust. You may remember me from that one time I ruined your game and no one bought anyone a pizza. I want to make this game a lot of fun, but fun requires more than one person or else it's masturbation. Anyways and anywheres, if you could help me get involved and up to speed, that'd be spunktacular. I've been avoiding this game for awhile (MAC SIGNED US UP FOR IT ITS ALL HIS FAULT) but I am really excited to play ball with this playerbase.

As it stands, the cross-voted wagons are a damn good place to start.

VOTE: KoreanBBQ
I CAST MY SUSPICION ONTO THEE~

-The Holy V

[Stuffed Crust]

Then give me a rundown of the game so far, your reads and why they stand that way, and then vote for Korean BBQ or MafiaSSK.



P-EDIT: Gross.

[Stuffed Crust]

I skimmed. Like a Metal-Sonic version of reading.

[Stuffed Crust]

Regardless, Desp, I'm town. I don't really know how to show that to you other than playing the game, which is what I fully intend to do from this point forward.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

If you wanna talk about it, I'd be glad to. :3
I mean, I know I give your life purpose and you weren't really driven to do much earlier but now that I'm here you can at least interact with me.
And that's cool.


P-EDIT: I'm treatin' ya like a person. You could be scum, and I'm kinda suspicious of how non-compliant and quick to lunge at me that you've been, but c'mon. I get nothin' out of treating you like a scumbag.

[Stuffed Crust]

I FoS'd BRO, said hello to people, had a charming conversation with Desperado, and I shit my pants. What more do you want from me!?

Besides, this reminds me of Xenogears. We began the game with a town/scum crossvote of two wagons that grew over the course of a long day 1. It's a very similar situation, and from ISOs of both players I'm not really convinced they're both town, y'know?

P-EDIT: Hey, you're right, but now I'm engaged. Furthermore, think to yourself--would any scum make such a dumb move? Actually, given the site-meta...

Anyway~
Yes, I can be a hypocrite. Doesn't mean I'm not right. Don't try to paralyze a bro, bro.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

Asides aside, are you going to do anything other than an attempt at complete suffocation? Because it's not going to work.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

Geists, your interaction with me hasn't culled any worthwhile information, it's just been generally insulting my stance/approach. That's suffocation. A weaker-willed player would back down, or stop posting. Unfortunately, you're up against me, and I'm not so easily abated.
Why don't you like either of the primary wagons?

@Desperado

: Why? Do you have anything substantial to build in regards to pushing my wagon, or are you just doing so 'because'?
I'm happy to give you purpose, though. :3

[Stuffed Crust]

vote stuffed crust

You gonna explain that vote or just lob it without coherence?

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

The people swapping to wagon me after I tipped the scales in favor of KoreanBBQ getting lynched is fairly telling for me. It leads me to believe that MafiaSSK is less likely to be scum than KoreanBBQ. At the very least, DOMO doesn't feel all that passionate about the SSK wagon, etc.


Cephrir, what's your case on MafiaSSK?

[Stuffed Crust]

@Sakura: I'd probably not like it! Anyways, what's your case on SSK?

[Stuffed Crust]

Makes sense. Then again, you're pretty easy to write off as town, Sakura.

[Stuffed Crust]

Aw, I just want to know people's motivation for voting the way they have.

I'm pretty confident in my BBQ vote, thank-you-very-much.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

Yawn.

The counter-wagon on me is either dumb-motivated or scum-motivated.

I've exposed you losers, with ease.

[Stuffed Crust]

Is it 'cus you're scum?
Did I hit a nerve?

[Stuffed Crust]

Scum would feel good about planting a vote on a townie, especially when said townie has exposed them but isn't credible enough to get others to listen.
That way, when I'm lynched, everyone can write me off, and scum gets a free pass into the future.
That's why scum would push my lynch and feel confident in it.
Makes plenty of sense.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

Yawn.

The counter-wagon on me is either dumb-motivated or scum-motivated.

I've exposed you losers, with ease.

This is such a bad defence to a building wagon.

You're all stupid or scum. Exposed.

Awesome stuff. Yeah I'm happy with this lynch too.

This is such a bad justication of voting someone.

You're either stupid or scum. Exposed.

Awesome stuff. Yeah I'm happy with your play too.

:3

[Stuffed Crust]

VOTE: sc

We should probably lynch this today

Whaddya know, Cephrir is bandwagon hopping.

S'why it doesn't bother me all too much.

Although, I'm sure you feel relieved that your wagon has eased up.

[Stuffed Crust]

Awesome stuff. Yeah I'm happy with your play too.

Scum defence #14 - your play sucks.

Where did I write that?

:3

[Stuffed Crust]

VOTE: sc

We should probably lynch this today

Whaddya know, Cephrir is bandwagon hopping.

S'why it doesn't bother me all too much.

Although, I'm sure you feel relieved that your wagon has eased up.

Please, keep calling everyone scum.

That's doing you a lot of favors.

You seem to have this problem where you're reading things that weren't actually written there.
Nowhere in this post do I call SSK scum.

Ceph, step it up.

[Stuffed Crust]

cephrir, listing koreanbbq as a scumread while jumping on every koreanbbq counterwagon since 2013

brought to you by outsized overreactions to being labeled as bbq's scumbuddy

<3

[Stuffed Crust]

all 2 of them

sue me

Numbers don't mean anything.
If you kill two people, you're still a murderer.

[Stuffed Crust]

Scum would feel good about planting a vote on a townie, especially when said townie has exposed them but isn't credible enough to get others to listen.
That way, when I'm lynched, everyone can write me off, and scum gets a free pass into the future.
That's why scum would push my lynch and feel confident in it.
Makes plenty of sense.

-V

Even if I was scum, you wouldn't have exposed shit. All you've done is OMGUS me.

Oh, I always feel good about my votes on town when I'm scum, but such is not the case, and I feel far better about voting scum as town. Because it's harder and I rarely do it. It's a unique experience for me! Especially if I'm there for the catching rather than jumping on later. DOn't think that's actually ever happened.

VOTE: sc

We should probably lynch this today

Whaddya know, Cephrir is bandwagon hopping.

Whaddaya know, SSK is posturing to suspect me later.

I take it you mean when we flip town, yeah?

Vote: Ceph

~M

[Stuffed Crust]

i should probably sync with varsoon about that vote but that was a pretty shit comment

~M

[Stuffed Crust]

I take back the statement about Mac's activity. it seems relatively the same, if not more, near the start and after that it seems less but it could be bc he fell behind @_@

you've made your point that I might be scum because of lack of activity compared to others, countered it by saying it's actually the same. are we still scum despite your findings?

[Stuffed Crust]

great response, would read again.

[Stuffed Crust]

your activity is the same but Varsoon's still wasn't. while your activity being the same counters my point about your activity, I still think it's kinda telling how Varsoon was posting elsewhere but not in here.

it's telling if varsoon does it as scum. do you have proof of this, because he didn't really do this in xenogears?

woops

[Stuffed Crust]

your activity is the same but Varsoon's still wasn't. while your activity being the same counters my point about your activity, I still think it's kinda telling how Varsoon was posting elsewhere but not in here.

it's telling if varsoon does it as scum. do you have proof of this, because he didn't really do this in xenogears?

and why does
"it's telling if varsoon does it as scum"
imply
"it's not telling"
?

especially when you only put one game as a reference and he was solo in that game

well it's only telling if you can prove he does that as scum, and not town. which I don't believe is this case for either alignment and he was just really busy lately.

and no, he actually played as a hydra in xenogears.

[Stuffed Crust]

well it's only telling if you can prove he does that as scum, and not town. which I don't believe is this case for either alignment and he was just really busy lately.

except that doesn't make any sense. it's telling because conveniently not posting in a thread, but posting in others, is scummy as fuck. thus, even if Varsoon hasn't done it before, I still consider it to be telling. and now you're trying to infuse meta into the mix here when by your own words no such meta even exists

and why couldn't you just say he was busy when I first asked you about it? instead you just said "he didn't do it in xenogears"

in other words: your answers seem like deflecting

well i could've but you weren't asking why varsoon wasn't posting, you were accusing his lack of posting as being tell which I took for you saying it meant varsoon was scum for meta purposes: hence I told you it wasn't telling because it doesn't happen as Varsoon-scum. misunderstanding.

that's not deflecting.

[Stuffed Crust]

you were accusing his lack of presence/posting as being a scumtell.

better?

[Stuffed Crust]

for Varsoon specifically*

[Stuffed Crust]

and no, he actually played as a hydra in xenogears.

Until MS got banned, and then I stomped him in lylo, yes.

Woah woah woah woah woah
You didn't stomp me,
I just let you get a consolation-prize victory. :3


Anyways, addressing some points here,

@BRO: Glad you see it the way I see it. The only innocents are bodies.

@Pieguyn: I really don't have much to say because my entry post

is

my point of engagement. I've skimmed up to that point, but my actual play and critical response won't be happening until after the fact.
That said, yeah, I've been posting elsewhere while this game has run up to 40+ pages. Mac signed into the game and I agreed to tag along in form of Hydra, but I've been ignoring this game in favor for other ones when I shouldn't have. It wasn't fair to the playerbase, and for that, I apologize.
Pie, I'm excited to play with you again, and it's really heartwarming that your vote is on my slot (again), but I'm town this time. You and me both know we could argue semantics 'till death and it's got no reflection of our alignments (we did this before, remember), so let's avoid that route. Instead, I want you to find scum with me.

[Stuffed Crust]

-V


PS- I just gobbled a meal from McDonalds and I want more. What is wrong with meee~

[Stuffed Crust]

Geists, <3

Ffery and I got in a big ol' argument one time.

Basically, I get mad when I find scum and they try to shut me up about it.
But also, other things, so, yeah, that aside,

What do you think of the deflation of the SSK wagon and the counterwagon that's surged on me?
What do you think of BBQ/the BBQ wagon?
If you could kill any player right now, who would it be?

:3
-V

[Stuffed Crust]

Do you feel like there is scum in the overlap between people who abandoned the SSK wagon and then joined my wagon (this pool is Cephrir, DOMO, BBQ)?

Also, wanna be town-buddies?
-V

[Stuffed Crust]

My favorite Joestar is Joseph. To be fair, I haven't read past the first 4 parts. I probably should. I really like it.

Going to stick to my Cephrir vote for now. I don't really like BBQ, but I also don't like anyone on the BBQ wagon, so it's a weird sensation for me.
BBQ, why are you calling me scum with SSK? Seems like an awkward move to make.
Especially, 'cus, y'know, I'm town.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

This game.
As in, I'm town in this game.

[Stuffed Crust]

Nah, not really.
I was town last time I played with Pieguyn, and I'm town this time, too.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

I used to be town. I'm still town, but I used to be, too.

[Stuffed Crust]

Whaddaya know, SSK is posturing to suspect me later.

coming back to this, why did you say later in this phrase, cephrir?

[Stuffed Crust]

(that was the MAC, this is the SOON)

MC Maraca:

Why does your reads-list seem like a consensus more than anything to me? It doesn't sit right, and I don't feel like you're taking any risks with any of your reads. It bugs me.

Also-also, can we talk about the weird thing happening between DOMO and Desperado right now? I don't know how to read it, because it feels like both votes can be scum-motivated out of the fact my wagon didn't gain any steam. They both feel very opportunistic to me. That said, I don't feel like there's bussing going on right here (although I've never seen someone bus as hard as Desperado). What do you guys think?

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

We're not lynching Domo today. Stoppit.

How about nope?
Don't like how much it feels like DOMO is flailing here.
B-sides, it's a polarizing conflict (DOMO v Desp) and there's a lot of information to be gained from putting votes there.
That alone lets me know scum is involved.


VOTE: Domo

[Stuffed Crust]

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

But I'm not.


-V

[Stuffed Crust]

@GOODMORNING:

I'd prefer people to be right. I don't think MC Maraca is right--I feel that they're presenting a summary of how players feel about others in general.

Cephrir, that's not a very strong way to broker your wagon on me.
B-sides, I'm town, and you'd be really sad if I was gone.
Unless, of course, you're scum.
In which case, you're just playing to your win condition and that's OK!

P-EDIT:
I do too.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

See, I'm making you laugh already, I got da jokes.
You don't want to waste a lynch on a townie who has da jokes.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

I know, I'm terrible, we got over that awhile ago.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

I'm not feeling great about Casso either at present, but my current vote is superior.

In the WRONG category!
WHAM!
BLIZAM!~

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

"Well my fake claim was hella cool"
"Mine was sweet too"
"Hahaha yeah Xenogears"
"Where do dogs go, BRO?"
"The Pound~"

Some days I love you guys,
Other days, It's probably all in my head.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

@Mc Maracaracaracrara:

Eeeeh, what'd you and BRO think is weird about me, again? I'm Varsoon, I don't really need to justify myself beyond that. Also, I never believe anyone's claim/crumb until they can prove it.

@Ohayou Gozaimas:

On day 1? Reads agreed on are not usually right. In general? Sometimes. There's no over-arching rule, because mafia games differ. In this case, the reads list looks artificial to me.

I need to actually do some stuff this game.
Oh, hey

@Zmuffin:

I'm town this game. Sheep me on the DOMO wagon.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

I think I'm wrong about desperado.

Not SC though.

vote stuffed crust

Your fear is delicious.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

I know that your buddies have tried to quell the wagon without making it look like they're white-knighting you, but this train's got no brakes, Domo.

Your biggest mistake was swapping your vote to the perceived threat of Desperado, when I was the one who was really pushing your wagon.
Your voteswap back to me mirrors a lack of wanting to find scum. You've changed to self-survival mode. Why would you care about your own survival, Domo?

Explain your vote on me, again?

P-EDIT: Delicious shit-stained fear.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

You'll find that I'm unwavering, DOMO.

I'm also town, so voting me and pushing my wagon is a mistake. ;D

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

I can understand the desire to pressure me and garner alignment-based tells while I'm under pressure (what I assume the Desperado vote on me was for [if you somehow flip town, I'll be tying a noose for Desp next]).

However, legitimately thinking I'm scum and voting me due to that?

It's a waste of time and effort if you're town. If you're scum, it makes plenty'o'sense.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

No, I'm saying that legitimately thinking/perpetuating the idea that I'm scum when you've got no evidence for it and haven't articulated a case for it is awkward. People typically pressure players they are suspicious of, and given responses, temper their reads. You're just going all-in without any of that.

You're pretty predictable, too. I knew you'd respond with the whole "lining up mislynches" thing as I was writing that. This shows that you're not interested with engaging in what I've written, but instead on using it for points of assault. Given this and the fact that you're grasping at commenting on anything else that's happening as of late makes me believe that you're trying to escape my persecution. You won't. I'm clamped onto your ass like a pitbull.

I'm very confident that you are scum based on your interactions with me, Desperado, and Mafia SSK. However, I can not know for sure until the mod confirms your alignment. I operate on those grounds--that unless mod-confirmed, nothing is true. In this way, yeah, you could flip town, and then, yes, I'd be pushing a wagon on Desperado (not that I'm not suspicious of him anyway, since I know he has a love for bussing and I highly suspect him and you, but I've got a more informed read on you than him).

I don't think you're going to flip town at all, DOMO.
That's the problem.

P-EDIT:
@BRO: Gosh, now I have to do work.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

I did so much work the servers went down for a second there.

Anyways,

@BRO & MCMARACA

: Sometimes I'm naughty, sometimes I'm nice. Is being friendly a scum-tell? D:

[Stuffed Crust]

I'm with F-16 on this one, BRO.
Wouldn't any worth-a-damn player not mention it at all because they don't want to run the risk of exposing a PR?

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

Well, Ceph, I just so happen to be a retarded, inconsistent, too-cocky townie.

Now that you know I'm not scum, who do you think is?

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

ANSWER THE QUESTION, CEPHRIR

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

I'll save you the time and the mislynch effort and confirm myself as town, then.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

One of DOMO and Desp is scum, I'm positive of that.

P-EDIT:

@DOMO:

The problem is that I'm town, and I sincerely believe that one or both of you and Desp are scum.
Of course I'm going to confidently push for what I believe in.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

I don't care if I die in the process, I'll expose you and your scum-buddies.
I don't care if I look retarded or idiotic or whatever, I'm going to pin scum.
DOMO, I think you're scum. Your defense of yourself keeps pushing an offense of me, setting me up as some kind of opponent of yours. You're actively scumpainting me with your posts.
Instead of defending yourself, you're attacking me.
And, really, what threat do I pose to you?
I'm town. All I can fucking do is vote and make noise.
So, why are you trying to quell that noise?
What about it is so threatening?
If you're town, wouldn't you just brush it off?

P-EDIT:
I am town, so you can stop being an asshole and saying otherwise.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

@DOMO: Doesn't stop me from thinking you're scum. PEDIT- I really do think you're scum. So, right now, I want you to prove otherwise. I don't see the town motivation in hopping off the SSK wagon and onto me as a counterwagon (since I know I'm town, deflation of one wagon and my wagon being a counter-wagon feels scum motivated). I don't understand why you'd stop pushing Desp as hard as you were, especially with the awkward swap of Desperado voting me then you, then you just hop off of him. I want to know your motivation with these things. As it stands, I think you're scum, because it's easy to see why scum would make all these moves.

@Ceph: His responses read as an assault on my credibility rather than a defense of himself.
I don't -want- him to do anything. I expect that a confident townie wouldn't be unnerved/agitated by my vote/noise, and that if they were, they'd defend themselves rather than attacking me. PEDIT- Since he's explained that it's a playstyle rather than an alignment thing, I'm more inclined to believe that. Even still, it's something that pings to me.
I'm town, and it's been true since the role PM came to me and it said that I was town. Unfortunately, I'm not an Innocent Child, so I can't really mod-confirm it in thread without dying.
Can you even function or operate if you were forced to accept that I am town?
You can't seem to fathom it.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

Also I think ffery is scum. She feels strongly that I town, yet is sitting back watching as I get railed? It feels like she might be happy to see me go. Watch her carefully.

This makes sense if you're town, because I don't see why ffery wouldn't defend you unless she thought it'd backfire somehow. Town really wouldn't worry about that sort of thing. Appearances are what scum worries about.
If you and ffery are scum, it makes sense as well, but I don't think you'd out an ally like that.
Hm.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

@DOMO:

The BBQ and SSK wagons were both not gaining any steam. I entered the game, looking like an easy target, and was immediately jumped on while the SSK wagon withered.
Then... people jumped onto you as my wagon lost steam.
Actually, let me check something...
SSK was KoreanBBQ, Sakura Hana, Cephrir, DOMO, pieguyn
I was pieguyn, Desperado, DOMO, Cephrir, KoreanBBQ, Sakura
DOMO is BROseidon, Desperado, Sakura Hana, Stuffed Crust, Generic, pieguyn

This makes me really suspicious of Pieguyn, Cephrir, DOMO, and Desperado.
Operating under the idea that DOMO and Cephrir are town, though,
Desperado and Pieguy's scum motivation still makes sense.

VOTE: Desperado

I'd also be willing to see a Pieguy or Sakura Hana wagon happen.
I'm getting mixed feelings about DOMO. On one hand, I can see the scum motivation for questionable moves. On the other, DOMO feels really genuine in response.

I've also noticed that Pieguyn, Sakura, and Desperado feel like they've been taking a backseat all game.
So, yeah.

P-EDIT:
Convenient jump onto my wagon there, Sakura. :3


-V

[Stuffed Crust]

EBWOP:
Add Sakura to the people I'm suspicious of.
If I had to make a scum-pool now, though?

Pieguyn,
Sakura,
Desperado,
Casso.

Feels right to me.

[Stuffed Crust]

I really hate when a bunch of people gang on me when I'm town.

I'm actually town,
Fuck you guys,
Let's catch scum?

@McMaraca: It's more of a Mac read that I happen to agree with.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

lol who's flailing now?

Or actually considering that I might be wrong.
Holy shit!

Spectacular.

But your unwillingness to work with me (and instead your desire to just push me more) is noted. :l

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

Then why give me flac for it? Putr mac on the line, he has some splaining to do.

Mac's been gone for awhile now. D:

I was more concerned about your reads-list as a whole.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

DOMO, I AM NOT SCUM.

[Stuffed Crust]

I wanna work with you...

;_;

[Stuffed Crust]

Yeah, then he wrote a bunch of stuff that made me believe he was town.
Like by explaining his process, letting me have meta-awareness of him, and showing what problems he had with my posts.


P-Edit:
@Mc Maraca: News to me. He hasn't posted in this hydra or in our QT for awhile.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

At the very least, I'm not confident in my scum-read of DOMO anymore.

Why would I continue to push a scum-read I wasn't confident in?

P-EDIT:
@MC Maraca: FINE MAYBE I WILL

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

Wait, do you want me to make my own reads-list, or tell you what I think is wrong with yours, or... what?

[Stuffed Crust]

Varsoon, exactly what made you change your read of DOMO?

Yeah, then he wrote a bunch of stuff that made me believe he was town.
Like by explaining his process, letting me have meta-awareness of him, and showing what problems he had with my posts.

Just look at our exchanges in the last few pages?

[Stuffed Crust]

Why would I continue to push a scum-read I wasn't confident in?

I don't think you're going to flip town at all, DOMO.

That looked pretty confident.

Seventy posts happened between those two.
It's almost like...
I decided to push a wagon I was more confident would give scum?

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

Why would I continue to push a scum-read I wasn't confident in?

HAHAHA OH MY SHITTING GOD YOU'RE KILLING ME

I don't care if I look retarded or idiotic or whatever, I'm going to pin scum.

Yeah, laugh it up.

[Stuffed Crust]

Also, should I go get McDonald's or Little Ceasars? I don't know which way I want to eat away my stress, but those are my options.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

For specificity, it was these posts that made me reconsider my read:

Spoiler:

So, right now, I want you to prove otherwise.

lol this is just noise. How do you suggest I prove I'm town?

I don't understand why you'd stop pushing Desp as hard as you were, especially with the awkward swap of Desperado voting me then you, then you just hop off of him. I want to know your motivation with these things. As it stands, I think you're scum, because it's easy to see why scum would make all these moves.

I don't understand how you think that me not being sure about my reads and wagon hopping is somehow a scum tell? You might have to explain why that's a logical move for scum. Why would scum suddenly attack someone who joined the wagon he was previously pushing for? How are you getting a scum tell from that? How can that not be town?

You're not getting railed. You're getting Varsooned, but that's a far cry from getting railed. If anyone actually starts making noise like they're taking Varsoon seriously about you, I'll take note.

Your silence on the matter so far has unnerved me.

If you're town, wouldn't you just brush it off?

Brush what off? Your accusations?

No.

I defend myself by attacking those scummy elements who are attacking me. That's what I do. You might suggest it's OMGUS, but you might notice that I'm quite happy to accept that town are also going to attack me, and I try to recognise which people on my wagon seem sincere. That's how I operate. You do not seem sincere. Desperado is starting to. BRO feels sincere. etc. This is how I form my early town and scum reads. Yes it's flawed, but no more flawed than any other d1 strategy.

Instead of defending yourself, you're attacking me.

Hi, I'm DOMO, you might know me as rev.

No, I'm saying that legitimately thinking/perpetuating the idea that I'm scum when you've got no evidence for it and haven't articulated a case for it is awkward.

No evidence? Jesus Christ dude, it's d1. Where's your "evidence" that I'm scum? I have a gut read you're scum. That's as good as anyone is getting today because there's nothing else to go on. Welcome to d1. So no, I haven't got any evidence, no more than anyone else has on anyone. I've explained what makes me *think* you're scum. I notice you're asking people to sheep you onto me. This is something else I don't like, that I consider scummy. I'll tell people who I think are scum, but I won't try and move other people vote's onto the wagon I'm on, because that's not very pro-town, it's effectively like saying "I'm right you're wrong". How can you be so sure?

You're pretty predictable, too. I knew you'd respond with the whole "lining up mislynches" thing as I was writing that.

Well why don't you explain how me flipping town suddenly looks bad for desperado, when it's his case you seem to be jumping on?

Given this and the fact that you're grasping at commenting on anything else that's happening as of late makes me believe that you're trying to escape my persecution. You won't. I'm clamped onto your ass like a pitbull.

This is chest beating. I don't consider this to be much of a town tell. If you were town, there's no way you can feel this confident you bagged scum on d1.

I'm very confident that you are scum based on your interactions with me

Well you better start thinking about how you're going to pretend to be shocked.

and then, yes, I'd be pushing a wagon on Desperado

This doesn't make sense to set up your target a day in advance when there's lots that can happen overnight. I haven't got a clue who I'm going after tomorrow if we lynch you and you flip town. There's too many factors for me to consider that now. So why are you thinking so far ahead? When you first put your vote on me, you're already thinking in terms of DOMO vs desperado.

Yeah I think you're scum who seized on a town vs town war.

[Stuffed Crust]

Also, should I go get McDonald's or Little Ceasars? I don't know which way I want to eat away my stress, but those are my options.

-V

Daykill: Stuffed Crust

Okay, but tell me where to go eat.

[Stuffed Crust]

So I can Daykill myself some food.

[Stuffed Crust]

Doubtful, since I'm the Dayvig.

Daykill: Sakura Hana

[Stuffed Crust]

RolePM says that my shots ignore bulletproof.

[Stuffed Crust]

Feed yourself a knuckle sandwitch and answer my posts properly.

I already did like a hundred or so posts ago. I explained the problems I had with your list and I've given reads of my own since then.
Why are you so hung up about it?

[Stuffed Crust]

I only know strongmen in scum, so yeah.

It's a theme game, I can do what I want.

[Stuffed Crust]

Only if you tell me where I should go eat.

[Stuffed Crust]

Yeah, because you guys will mislynch me.

[Stuffed Crust]

Not McDonalds. Give your money to a small business.

I live in a weird college town that doesn't have any small/local businesses within walking distance.
I also don't own a car.
It's snowing.
D:

[Stuffed Crust]

If I wasn't in this with Mac, I'd just quote my role pm, get a ban, and shut your smug mouth.

[Stuffed Crust]

WELL I'M NOT DOING IT, AM I?

[Stuffed Crust]

And I'll post my big dumb reads list.
You guys are no fun. :/

[Stuffed Crust]

I stole this from a guy.

Town:

Generic- Purty town.
Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon) - I'm town.
MafiaSSK - Has dropped off the face of the planet. Town due to wagon interaction (his wagon feels scum-motivated, etc)
geists (fferyllt + Natirasha) - Super chill, strong-town read from Mac and I.
F-16_Fighting_Falcon - Coherent and stuff. Feels town. Isn't taking advantage of the latest wagons.
BROseidon - Strong town from Mac and I.
Cephrir - Don't like him. He's maybe town.
DOMO - Thought he was scum for awhile, but he feels pretty town now.

Meh:

roflcopter - Very meh, hasn't done anything worth noticing.
goodmorning - Occasionally gets pretty sassy, but feels less involved.
zMuffinMan- Isn't taking all the risks I usually associate with town-muffin. Dunno.
Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665) - Looking back at our QT, Mac's warming to the idea of Casso being town, but I think they're too carefully poised to be town. Scum-reading this, personally.

Not so Town:

pieguyn - reeks of the town pieguyn I remember, but his vote patterns are awkward.
Sakura Hana - Pretty scummy due to votes, interaction, lurkdom, etc.
MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) - Feels scum. Hung up on the reads thing.
KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) - Has taken too much of a back seat. GiF hasn't danced with me yet. Probably scum.
Desperado - Lacks Desperation, reeks of scum-desp, weird voting patterns.

In this game?

Brian Skies - Who?
Tammy - Who the fuck is Tammy?
pitoli - wait, who?

My problem with MC Maraca's list is that it didn't shake up the status quo. It was milquetoast and read, to me, more like a reflection of the game so far and less like an independent reads-list.

[Stuffed Crust]

Mafia is srs bsns in a player list like this. Step up or go home, son.

b-b-but I am home and I'm not your son.


Anyway, I think I've shaken things up a good bit and exposed some scum.
I guess everyone'll ignore me after I die
And I'll feel like a shit.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

I guess not.

[Stuffed Crust]

Reading Tammy's ISO, it's pretty meh-category.

[Stuffed Crust]

I'm going to food.

Haters, speedlynch me while I'm gone or something.

[Stuffed Crust]

What?

[Stuffed Crust]

You gonna just ellipses me?

[Stuffed Crust]

Why?

[Stuffed Crust]

My wagon is so scum motivated it is painful.

[Stuffed Crust]

It's like none of you have ever experienced a mafia epiphany.

This happens in a lot of my games, to be honest.
I don't really give a damn about looking town, and so I end up doing some pretty absurd things.
Scum then magnifies my absurdity,
Town is dense enough to buy that sell,
and when I flip town, everyone can cross their arms and deny agency by saying "Oh well Varsoon is retarded and deserved it"

Every. Fucking. Time.

[Stuffed Crust]

Then, since if everyone agrees that I'm absurd/retarded/nonsense/whatever, then they can simultaneously ignore anything I've done all game, which is also super-convenient for scum, as I tend to actually catch scum early.

[Stuffed Crust]

Ultimately, it's a huge exercise in shitting collectively on me, and making me feel really miserable about myself.

[Stuffed Crust]

While simultaneously making me die early in games/lose.

It hits me on several levels.

[Stuffed Crust]

I
[/color]

Not so Town:

pieguyn - reeks of the town pieguyn I remember, but his vote patterns are awkward.
Sakura Hana - Pretty scummy due to votes, interaction, lurkdom, etc.
MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal) - Feels scum. Hung up on the reads thing.
KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) - Has taken too much of a back seat. GiF hasn't danced with me yet. Probably scum.
Desperado - Lacks Desperation, reeks of scum-desp, weird voting patterns.

[/color]

.

Hey, check this out, where I'm still calling BBQ scum because I still believe he's scum.
You know who cherry-picks? Probably everyone, but you're doing it here in a way that's obvious fallacious.



As for your voting patterns, it's weird that you're sheeping each and every one of the fat wagons.

[Stuffed Crust]

Desp, you seem pretty upset with my vote on you.

It's only one little vote.

You need 11 to die.

Why are you so angry?

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

@BRO: I'm so dense I'd never pick anything up. :/


Anyway,
I'm pretty confident in this one:

VOTE: Desperado

[Stuffed Crust]

As for your voting patterns, it's weird that you're sheeping each and every one of the fat wagons.

oh am i?

which ones did i sheep?

last i checked i was 2nd on you and 2nd on domo and i haven't voted anyone else this game

All of 'em.
Welcome back to my wagon, enjoy your stay.


I didn't forget about it, silly. When giving the pool of players I'd like to see pressure/wagons for, I didn't include BBQ because I've already got BBQ as a solid scum read. Also, BBQ's pretty absent, so a wagon/pressure wouldn't garner much immediately.

[Stuffed Crust]

i also challenged you to justify how this "reeks of scum-desp" i see you ignored that

i don't blame you

Well you see sometimes something smells really bad, and the smell is really obvious. The verb typically used to indicate that is 'reeks'.
I feel like you're scummy and it's obvious. I smelled it with my scum-sniffer. It reeked of scum-desperado.
It's okay, like, sometimes people use weird imagery, I know.
I'm about to go get food.
What this means is that I'm going to leave my computer, walk to a place that sells food, buy the food from them, and then eat it.
I know, words can be tricky.

[Stuffed Crust]

Then, since if everyone agrees that I'm absurd/retarded/nonsense/whatever, then they can simultaneously ignore anything I've done all game, which is also super-convenient for scum, as I tend to actually catch scum early.

Oh look and here's the part where Varsoon's getting ready to use his "I was acting like a VI" card.

Not really?
I did that in one scum game, yo.
One.
And you won anyway, so why so bitter?

[Stuffed Crust]

"all of 'em?"

is that your way of saying "wow you're right that thing i just accused you of was totally bullshit, sorry?"

Yup, you're right and I'm full of shit.

They don't call me the scatman for nothing.

[Stuffed Crust]

I've played a few games with Desperado, so yeah, there's some meta basis.

Not that it matters?

[Stuffed Crust]

CEPHRIR WHY DO YOU KEEP TRYING TO SHUT ME UP OR DISENFRANCHISE MY VOICE EVERY TIME I WRITE SOMETHING IN REGARDS TO OTHER PLAYERS WHO I AM PUSHING?
ITS BUGGING ME.

[Stuffed Crust]

Then why give me flac for it? Putr mac on the line, he has some splaining to do.

Mac's been gone for awhile now. D:

I was more concerned about your reads-list as a whole.

-V

News to me. His posting everywhere else on site says otherwise. Try again.

quite a strong statement to make considering in the past day and a half or so, I've made 2 phone posts and 2 drunk posts? where did this false accusation come from?

[Stuffed Crust]

Whaddaya know, SSK is posturing to suspect me later.

coming back to this, why did you say later in this phrase, cephrir?

Because...that's...what happened...???

why would SSK be posturing to suspect you later, rather than now? later is defined as a period of time, so what are you expecting to happen "later" ?

[Stuffed Crust]

so I'm still back on page 23 or something ridiculous. DOMO's attack on SSK upon entry wasn't good; it was pretty fucking plausible that SSK had been keeping up with the game up until his replace-in (unlike some of us...) and yet DOMO decided to push that his reads were bullshit based on them coming 16 minutes after replacing in.

and fuck it I'm skipping 40 pages. DEALWITHIT

domo's push on casso is absolutely fucking terrible for "scumclaiming" :/

This is not what I expected you to respond with. I'm sorry not-sorry you're gonna get to be 2 a la xenoblade this game.

this was my first thoughts about Thorcho when I seen Nacho spamming the thread up.

holy shit you rolled scum didn't you

what about those 2 posts made you think he was scum? because I thought his laidbackness felt quite town but I can't read muffin for all the money in the world.

So varsoon's lining lynches and thinks that's a pro-town move to do? jesus

Unvote
Vote: SC

You're lining up lynches by putting doubt into your own read on DOMO, "if he's town desp is scum" then you question him when he says that he doesn't

know

that you're scum but rather

thinks

you're scum?

yuck

yada yada yada. these last few pages have bored me. when can we start lynching scum rather thank making pushes on varsoon for being varsoon?

[Stuffed Crust]

If I were a voting man, I'd vote pitoli desperado or muffin (desperado).

why muffin?

[Stuffed Crust]

I don't think him being lazy is a particular scumtell and I find it weird that you would think it is.

[Stuffed Crust]

Whaddaya know, SSK is posturing to suspect me later.

coming back to this, why did you say later in this phrase, cephrir?

Because...that's...what happened...???

why would SSK be posturing to suspect you later, rather than now? later is defined as a period of time, so what are you expecting to happen "later" ?

dear sweet cephrir, you have chosen to ignore this. direct your attention this way, please!

[Stuffed Crust]

I don't think him being lazy is a particular scumtell and I find it weird that you would think it is.

It's a scumtell in certain situations. This might be one of them.

Tell me more?

[Stuffed Crust]

Whaddaya know, SSK is posturing to suspect me later.

coming back to this, why did you say later in this phrase, cephrir?

Because...that's...what happened...???

why would SSK be posturing to suspect you later, rather than now? later is defined as a period of time, so what are you expecting to happen "later" ?

I don't understand the question

That's what he was doing was it not

It's a simple question, ceph.

SSK said you were bandwagon hopping. You countered, by saying SSK was posturing to suspect you

later.

Why did you say

later

rather than now? When do you think later would've been?

At the time I felt like you meant later as in when we flipped town and SSK would point out your hop onto our wagon. But I don't know anymore.

[Stuffed Crust]

Well, Pieguyn, I can't really tell you much aside from,

I'm town.

[Stuffed Crust]

If you wanna ask me questions, I'm good at that game.
Otherwise, it's shrugs all around.
One of Desp/Domo is scum.
One of BBQ/SSK is scum.

I've done all this wooooork.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

Alternatively, there's about 1/5 of the players who aren't very active, so that could skew things completely. There's not really any way to account for that, so I'm ignoring it.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

So i'm town now?

You're suspicious.
Why'd you jump at that bit and ask that question?
=.= I wasn't even talking about you, Sakura.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

Except that never changed. You're also one out of 19 possible scum, by the way.
If you're talking about the list I made awhile ago, yeah, you were in my scum-tier.
You still are.
Does that mean every time I say "I think X is scum" that I need to include your name there too? If I don't include your name every time I rattle off a scum-read, does that mean I've changed my mind?
Nope.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

THAT'S STILL ALL OF 'EM, CEPHRIR,
IF YOU MURDER ONE PERSON,
AND I ASK YOU ABOUT THE PEOPLE YOU KILLED,
YOU'D TELL ME ABOUT ALL OF THEM
ALL ONE OF THEM.

[Stuffed Crust]

Shit, you're right.

[Stuffed Crust]

T_T

I need to dedicate a whole day just to catch-up in this game. That day is going to be Sunday (because Saturday is generally the day I don't look at this site). Sorry if my presence has been low. A combination of Thanksgiving apathy, large game-load, and Finals has been bogging me down. I'm also considering replacing out if this is unacceptable for some of you guys.

Replace-outs are the worst. Someone else will come in, have to catch up, etc.

Just stick with it, man. I was apathetic about the game until 40 pages in.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

@Pieguyn: I think some of the plays/votes you've made are awkward and scum-motivated, but I'm not really passionate about pushing your wagon. I like working with people in general, yo.

@Tammy: Hey, I started playing right after you stopped. Please stay active, yo! I also don't like Mc Maraca, so high-fives!

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

Mostly what you've mentioned there.

I'll go do a quote point by point.
Or something.
I should sleep.

[Stuffed Crust]

so you thought that scum-DOMO moved his vote onto scum-Desp to quell a wagon against himself? ok

IF they're both Scum, it'd be the move I would make if scum-Desp was bussing me. You can imagine a hypothetical cross-bus between Cephrir and I (That was you, right?) but not this?

part of me thinks this cockiness is smth that is associated with the town varsoon I've seen. however, I haven't seen scum varsoon, so idk if he does this as scum too. can someone answer this plz

I'd like some of my scum games but... woooooork. Just go to my profile and look at games I've played. Ones that come to mind are... Calvin and Hobbes, Empking Mafia, 3p Lylo, Open 526 (I think that's the number), N's shitty Joke Smalltown, and Xenogears.

this seems too safe. why wait until after F-16 posted to give your thoughts on this? you had opportunities before to weigh in on this, so this seems like flow-going

Was more focused on other things at the time. F-16 brought it back up and I remembered thinking, "Oh yeah, I never catch crumbs, and even when I do, the proper thing to do is to just not mention 'em."

well you're not brushing off DOMO's attack on you so

'cus I thought DOMO was scum. B-Sides, I was attacking him, then criticizing his attack on me. The whole ordeal actually reminded me way too much of our back and forth in Touhou Imperishable Night

so you left out the part where my vote on you was placed before you made any posts in this thread at all, explicitly because you hadn't made any posts

I kinda forgot about that. I thought that you stayed on my wagon after I started posting because you thought I was scummy beyond that point, which made jumping off of my wagon a bit weird. I expected more conviction?

you have some explaining to do about this plz

Already explained this up and down. T-T

and now you're flip flopping on him? this backoff feels fake as fuck

How do you step off of a scum-read you were really confident of one moment, then start to feel wrong about? Sorry that it doesn't hit all the right bells and whistles, I'm not really trying to look good here.

pretty much I was trying to troll him bc every game we've played he's won and I've lost and if we're opposite alignments again I especially wanna get him this time :>

Aww, trolling isn't an excuuuuse. To be honest, I do expect more zMuffin. In every game so far, I've gut-read him as scum. That isn't happening here, and he doesn't have much presence. It's weird.

Wheh.
Hope that answers and helps and stuff.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

Ah, well, then I'm retarded and my analysis of your voting is completely wrong?
I wasn't aware of your V/LA. I thought you just kinda lurked things out for awhile there.

Can't really get more specific than those quotes and what I've already written. :/

I was scum with Desperado in Xenogears and I think a similar thing happened between us more than once in that game.

Anyways, I'm tired, so I'm probably going to clock out.
Also, gonna plug my 5-man micro game that's in signups right now in the micro queue. Sign up for it, it'll be fun.
As always, <3

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

I see a lot more scum in Desperado than I see in Pie.

I'm happy with my vote staying where it is. In my interactions with Pie, I realized I'm not that passionate about Pie-scum, and while some of Pie is awkward/seemingly-scum, I'm not that convinced.

Dunno about Mac, though. We should probably sync a bit more on this game.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

Now do you understand?

at the time of the post I quoted, "one of Korean/SSK is scum" was one of the only things varsoon had gone on record with

i don't buy his explanation for why one of them was missing from his scum pool and then there later.

i think he forgot what he said and realized it later

because he's scum and he doesn't really believe one of korean/ssk is scum

do

you

understand now?

Because Scum-Varsoon forgets things?

I dunno, man.

Also, I think I made it pretty clear that I consider KoreanBBQ to be scum, and that SSK probably isn't.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

[ur=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... #p5521574l]Oh, also, there's one more slot left open in the Micro game I'm about to run, if anyone wants to snatch it (you know you do).[/url]

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

aw man, I fucked up muh tags.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

I should've probably made this a hyperlink for that last post. Aw man.

[Stuffed Crust]

self-meta

you have to be joking

and you did make it clear that you had arbitrarily decided that one of the two early competing wagons was scum because the same thing happened in xenogears, until you gave a scumpool unprompted that didn't include one of them

I'm not joking, I just don't think you could possibly try to leverage a case on "Varsoon-scum forgot something".
Especially because it's fairly obvious that
A) I didn't
C) I don't forget things as scum (self-meta, okay, yeah, deal with it)
D) Other people have noticed that I didn't
C) I dunno I just wanted to make an ACDC joke and didn't have a fourth thing to say.

Anyway,
My initial call of SSK/BBQ having scum in it wasn't arbitrary, either.

Stop trying to make the things I do into lies, fallacies, and fronts. 'cus they kinda aren't.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

Jeepers Creepers, put that behind a spoiler= tag or somethin'!~

My initial call of SSK/BBQ having scum in it wasn't arbitrary, either.

so what else do you have to justify the stance

other than it reminds you of xenogears

?

When I came into the game, there was a 4/4 split between two wagons with strong, vocal players on both.
The wagons were cross-voted.

I don't even mention that it reminds me of Xenogears until post 1111.
I guess you ignore how I mentioned ISO-diving both players in the same post, as that wouldn't be very conducive to mention given what I've bolded in your quote.

In retrospect, it's pretty obvious that I was trying to pressure a wagon and get consensus on the state of affairs way more than I was trying to make a strong push against a player, so there's that to consider, too.

But hey, like I said in 1117, If I give you purpose, then I'm happy. :3

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

In fact, looking over a lot of my interaction when I came in, it feels really telling. I pressured a couple of players who then crossed their arms and hopped on my wagon for pretty poor reasons.

YOU CAN'T SHUT ME UP, H8RS

[Stuffed Crust]

Now look at who's running away!

He's not running.

Also, noticed this one:

i think varsoon likes to sign his posts. we haven't synced yet.

i could pretend to be varsoon if you want?

DAT ASS TOO FAT~~~~

I fuckin' love you, Mac.

And, Desp, you're fallin' all over yourself here.
Could it be that...

DAT ASS TOO FAT?

[Stuffed Crust]

Cus, Desp, it seems like

DAT ASS

too

FAT

[Stuffed Crust]

That said, it's captivating that there's two major wagons building right now. This means there is likely a scum being wagon'd and a lot of scum split between the two wagons.

Of course, then again, this shit could be multiball, so I'm going to operate under the notion that it is not until it is confirmed to be (this is when someone quotes something from the setup to prove it is for me and I feel like a massive tool).

As it stands, the cross-voted wagons are a damn good place to start.

VOTE: KoreanBBQ
I CAST MY SUSPICION ONTO THEE~

-The Holy V

Besides, this reminds me of Xenogears. We began the game with a town/scum crossvote of two wagons that grew over the course of a long day 1. It's a very similar situation, and from ISOs of both players I'm not really convinced they're both town, y'know?

The people swapping to wagon me after I tipped the scales in favor of KoreanBBQ getting lynched is fairly telling for me. It leads me to believe that MafiaSSK is less likely to be scum than KoreanBBQ. At the very least, DOMO doesn't feel all that passionate about the SSK wagon, etc.

[quote="In post 1117, Stuffed Crust"

@Desperado

: Why? Do you have anything substantial to build in regards to pushing my wagon, or are you just doing so 'because'?
I'm happy to give you purpose, though. :3[/quote]


Glad that you finally decided to build something (even if it is fallacious) against me, 700 posts late.

Once again, it's fairly obvious that my early play wasn't founded on "Hey this guy is for sure scum, let's lynch him" and was much more focused on figuring out the motivations behind the current standing wagons, pressuring players who were fickle and weak in their vote/reads, and garnering information in general. In the conversations and interactions that happened afterwards, I became fairly confident in BBQ as -actually- being scum, too.

So, yeah,

WOOP WOOP

[Stuffed Crust]

Vote: Stuffed Crust

Hey! We played together before, once, maybe, I think.
Anyway, I'm glad that you're hopping on the biggest wagon without any articulation, and I know, it's awkward that it's my wagon, and so anything I say in response is going to be taken with a grain of salt, but
Why?

Oh yeah, stuff crust is a special kind of dog poop.

Hey, man, I might be full of shit, I might even eat shit, and my play might even be pretty shitty, but just because you can't dig through all that shit and find the nugget of gold that's there doesn't mean you gotta call

me

poop.

Also, Mac's a part of this hydra, and Mac's not dog poop! How dare you bring Mac down to my level!

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

C'mon SAD, step it up.


-V

[Stuffed Crust]

Fair assessment, but within this town lies a cruel and villainous hive of mafia-sworn evil-doers. They seek to kill the good men of this town via deceit, guns, and nooses. I believe that there are people who are rallying for my lynch who are part of this den of villainy. To push my lynch is to support their twisted, evil ways. I am a member of the town itself, and while the mafia would love to honey your ears with lies such that you won't believe me, I ask for you to grasp at the purity of my confession!

I am town! If you want to find the true villains, don't string me up! Nay! Look unto the sea of bloodthirsty faces, crying out to have me slain. Are they not the true villains?

Ser Arthur Dayne, you've traveled far to come to this wretched place. I ask for your allegiance against those who would plot to see this town in flames. What say ye?

[Stuffed Crust]

unvote,
Vote stuffed crust

I let a lot of the mental patient schtick slide but you are covering having to address anything with it and firing off posts at anything. It's getting old and I think you are desperately trying to troll your way out of your predicament

Dunno what you're talking about. IF you think that I'm scum because my rhetoric is off-side, absurd, goofy, etc, well, isn't that a policy vote more than anything?

Also, I've been doing a pretty fucking good job of defending myself against accusations made against me. I don't really think that constitutes as 'trolling'.

-V

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i also don't think varsoon's townplay after replacing in to a game where 90% of the sorting had already been done is indicative of much of anything

It shows that he makes weird false dichotomies as town!

that's cool

i already said i don't care if he did it as town once. why do you suppose he can't justify his stance beyond "i isoed them and it's like xenogears"?

Except I ALREADY DID.


I guess you just ignore anything that might prove you wrong and cherry-pick things that are convenient for your 'case', even if you're outright lying about them--as I've proven.

I'm getting pretty sick of you parroting non-issues like they're somehow relevant.

[Stuffed Crust]

It's as if you kept saying that I wore a red tie,
when I've never worn a red tie,
and wearing a red tie wouldn't even really incriminate me in the first place.

You're arguing worthless points, Desperado.
They're beaten, dead, and proven wrong, and still you argue.

Why?

[Stuffed Crust]

What is your read on Generic?

Generic's interaction with the game (scum hunting, questions asked, info garnered, etc) is pretty sub-par, in my opinion. However, his reads and votes follow a progression that I can understand. He's been on the fence about be for awhile now, but it upsets me that his reason for finally voting me is so lackluster. I have him in my earlier reads list as pretty town, and that's mostly due to the fact that his play is coherent and doesn't feel like it has ulterior motives to it. That said, he's only really joined sensational wagons, so I'm a bit skeptical. I'd put him as null-leaning town right now, because I can see how his play would benefit an overall scum agenda, but it feels like it's genuinely individualistic and genial.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

so why are you telling me you did instead of just quoting you doing it and making me look like a total ass?

i already quoted what i consider your korean/ssk case. make me look stupid.

Because I already quoted me doing it, yo. That's 1862.

My initial call on scum between korean/ssk isn't very articulated/push-heavy because it was never meant to be a hard scum push on either.
I've explained this.
In the aftermath, as SSK's wagon deflated and BBQ continued to hold votes, I found that BBQ's interactions with others were disengaging/avoiding the spotlight as my own wagon grew. Lots of people jumped off of SSK's wagon to push mine (with poor reasoning that I've already exposed), and since I know that I am town, it makes me believe that SSK's wagon (and mine) are scum-motivated. Since SSK's wagon was held in contrast to BBQ's wagon (crossvote, etc), all of this leads me to believe that BBQ's wagon was town-motivated. Does that make sense?

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

and all of this leads to you not listing korean in your scumpool later how?

cuz it looks like you've put a ton of thought into that stage of the game which leads me to question how you forgot all of it for even a moment

I've already addressed this as well.
I've included KoreanBBQ in my reads list as scum (after 1567, which is consistent with the analysis work I'm doing in 1566), so it's obvious that I did not forget about him.
When I was presenting people I thought were scummy (the scumpool you're referring to in post 1567), that was in reaction to the events that had just happened. Ergo, the words, "If I had to make a scum-pool now" with emphasis on the 'now'.

I can see where you're having the hangup, but it's not like I 'forgot' that I was scum-reading BBQ.

Furthermore, I can't really see how that's alignment indicative.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

Furthermore, I can't really see how that's alignment indicative.

you being unable to keep up with the bullshit that you spin as scum is hella alignment indicative

you slipped all over the place in xenogears, to the point where i couldn't even be fucked to point them all out to everyone in my dogged pursuit of bussing you

i let you get away in calvin and hobbes and it isn't happening again

Well, the problem is that I'm not scum this game, so you can't really bus me,
and my bullshit is less 'spun' and more just me trying to find scum.


-V

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Ser Arthur, I appreciate your new profile image.
People that I have conviction about being scum and want to see lynched:
Desperado
KoreanBBQ
Mc Maraca

People that I'm suspicious of and want to see pressured:
Pretty much all you guys, but especially
Cephrir
Pieguyn
Casso
Sakura
zMuffin
Goodmorning


S'bout it.
Mac's been town-reading people. The major concern he's voiced is that he's really suspicious of Mc Maraca.
Mac's also been drinking a lot and hasn't been on the forums much, so we're pretty overdue for a re-sync on this game.


-V

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Pieguyn, you've got to consider that if Casso and S.A.D. were scum that wanted a mislynch, they'd just push me.
Casso's been calling me town for awhile now (I think),
and while Ser Arthur Dayne did actually put a vote on me, it looks like it's much more for pressure than for a push.

Although, I guess that argument hinges on my exclusive knowledge that I'm town, so,
eeeeh.

For what it's worth, I feel like the pieguyn wagon isn't very fierce.
I like the reactions it's getting, though.


-V

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Mac's been town-reading people. The major concern he's voiced is that he's really suspicious of Mc Maraca.

me too

did he say why?

All he's said on Mc Maraca is "not seeing cabd town yet which bugs me :/"

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

cabd why did you call me out and totally ignore what I said in response?

[Stuffed Crust]

hey fferyisha, why don't you sort us yourself instead of leaving it to GIF?

[Stuffed Crust]

hey fferyisha, why don't you sort us yourself instead of leaving it to GIF?

I

have

sorted you. However, if GiF decides this is scum-varsoon, I'll pay attention.

so where are we with you? and GiF is voting us for reasons unknown; does that affect your read?

[Stuffed Crust]

Hey-hey,

The Varsoon head of this awesome hydra is on V/LA until JANUARY 25th

I'm visiting my family for the holiday break. All I have is my laptop and other people's computers, but I'll be spending a lot of time away from the computer because of friends and family. I love you guys, and would love to keep up step-for-step as I have been doing.
I'll check in as much as I can, and some nights I will be very active, but don't expect the same levels of activity as normal.

<3

-V

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Cephrir would be an easy target for a mislynch if he wasn't part of the scum team.
He's had a lot of questionable and awkward play that I'm surprised hasn't been exploited to leverage a lynch.
Why not?
Because the scum doesn't want his lynch.
Why do you think scum wouldn't want his lynch?
1. Because he is scum,
2. Because they are sure of victory,
or 3. Because they are clueless?

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

LIKE WE CAN'T EVEN GET A MISLYNCH TO HQVR MORE THAN 4 VOTES

I DONT KNOW, MAYBE IT HAS TO DO WITH THE INACTIVITY AND FAILURE TO BUILD WORTHWHILE CASES?

I'll probably break down and ISO dig one of my scum reads.
BBQ is pinging harder and harder for me. I think that it's awkward that he'd call for my lynch without interacting with me--especially since a lot of people put trust in GiF's reads of me. This is obviously something scum-GiF can exploit easily, and BBQ's play is very opportunistic. I could make a huge meta analysis of this, but Meta is useless, so I'll stick to my guns and present an actual case whenever I've got three hours to burn.

zMuffin wagon is populated by some of my hardest scum reads. Dunno if this could be a bus, but it PoE's zMuffin for me into town more than not.

-V

[Stuffed Crust]

You scared?

I GOT CHILLS

THEY'RE MULTIPLYING ~~~

Anyway since GiF evidently

can't

read Varsoon and if geists is anything to go by, the playerlist is about to follow him off the cliff, then I'm going to claim.

[Stuffed Crust]

You scared?

I GOT CHILLS

THEY'RE MULTIPLYING ~~~

Anyway since GiF evidently

can't

read Varsoon and if geists is anything to go by, the playerlist is about to follow him off the cliff, then I'm going to claim.

Hi. This is your "I think you're a mislynch now and I want you to talk to me" reach out post. You'll only get one, macsoon.

Hi. we can talk. I'll need more than one post but sure.

You'll also need more than one post to tell everyone else I'm a mislynch too!

I'll be back soon to chat. There's a tv show on I want to watch.

[Stuffed Crust]

You scared?

I GOT CHILLS

THEY'RE MULTIPLYING ~~~

Anyway since GiF evidently

can't

read Varsoon and if geists is anything to go by, the playerlist is about to follow him off the cliff, then I'm going to claim.

Mac, one of my concerns has been how quiet you've been. Unless I'm attributing some of your posts to Varsoon.

Yeah, I've beeen quiet. My head's not been in this because I'm not really caught up and have had zero motivation to do so - it happens to me, regardless of alignment. Varsoon's been doing the driving.

[Stuffed Crust]

Then why give me flac for it? Putr mac on the line, he has some splaining to do.

Mac's been gone for awhile now. D:

I was more concerned about your reads-list as a whole.

-V

News to me. His posting everywhere else on site says otherwise. Try again.

quite a strong statement to make considering in the past day and a half or so, I've made 2 phone posts and 2 drunk posts? where did this false accusation come from?

This is about the only thing I don't like about mac. There's plenty to dislike about varsoon but he and I hate each other on a playstyle level.

what's your issue?

[Stuffed Crust]

that statement you made was the one which made me think you might be scum, for what it's worth. I'm still not sold on town-you here, cabd.

[Stuffed Crust]

It took me mis-repping your activity to get you to post; whereas I had asked or indiacted i'd prefer to talk to you once or twice before that.

no you didn't.

[Stuffed Crust]

You scared?

I GOT CHILLS

THEY'RE MULTIPLYING ~~~

Anyway since GiF evidently

can't

read Varsoon and if geists is anything to go by, the playerlist is about to follow him off the cliff, then I'm going to claim.

I'm gonna be cruel and say this:
So what if I'm wrong? Will one mislynch really bring the whole town to the cliff?
Stop the AtM and man up

why are you scumreading varsoon, then?

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It took me mis-repping your activity to get you to post; whereas I had asked or indiacted i'd prefer to talk to you once or twice before that.

no you didn't.

Pretty sure I did but hey, you're here now.

Where are ~your~ reads? And if you don't have an entire reads list, give reads on the players you have a history with.

I ctrl+f'd "mac" in your iso and that instance where you misrepped me in the first one where you tried to talk to me, and only because V said I was scumreading you.

I'm having bouts of paranoia about you, and am not prepared to sort you into town/scum right now. Are you still SUPERSTRONGTOWN on GM, cus I'm not..

Tammy I think is pretty fucking town right about now, probably a strong townread of mine. Mainly because of her invitations to be lynched freely. Have no experience with F16 but he looks pretty level headed here and pretty much looks town.

Nacho I'm null on, gun to my head I'd say town. Not sure about BBQ either because their push on us looks really tame. I had a strong townread on Bro early on (which developed from an even earlier scumread, actually) which I think I still support but I wanna see him more involved.

Scumpool of {Ceph, DOMO, Desp} and possibly muffin, but I don't think I wanna pursue him today.

[Stuffed Crust]

UNVOTE

Mac how much game experience with F16 do you have?

Absolutely none, from memory.

also, fferyisha is strong town.

[Stuffed Crust]

So guys, don't all post at once.

Sigh.

do you have any issues with my reads?

[Stuffed Crust]

UNVOTE

Mac how much game experience with F16 do you have?

Absolutely none, from memory.

also, fferyisha is strong town.

F-16 and I have played 3 games iirc (4 including hunterxhunterx but I didn't even remember he was in that game until a few days ago). In two of them, I knew he was town because I wasn't. In the first game he was confirmed town because his predecessor counterclaimed scum and got the guy lynched before replacing out.

I think that might be why I find his play confusing. I've never had to actually sort him before.

We're in the same boat. Right now I'm seeing him as a level headed player who is considering all options. What do you see? If I wasn't so tired, I'd look at his scum games but I reaaaaally can't be arsed right now.

[Stuffed Crust]

why's your vote on muffin?

[Stuffed Crust]

what's up with the falcon?

[Stuffed Crust]

KoreanBBQ, can you explain your scumread on Stuffed Crust?

I refuse.
It's either you agree or you disagree.

I think this is fucking awful by the way.

[Stuffed Crust]

I think I can see why you're all suspecting F16. he hasn't explained why cabd's gambits have apparently helped the scum wincon over the town wincon and when told to by cabd he sidesteps it.

that said, I could probably lynch desperado too. his push on us was shit.

[Stuffed Crust]

why is it not possible that SSK had been reading along and Bert hadn't? y

[Stuffed Crust]

Vote: MC Maraca

Quite happy to lynch this hydra today.

[Stuffed Crust]

WILL YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT MY POSTS SINCE YOU CAN READ ME, FFERYLLT??????????????????

BECAUSE PUTTING YOUR EGGS IN GIF'S BASKET

WILL NOT WORK

[Stuffed Crust]

Why'd you choose now to hop on?

Because we want too. Why you gotta play that song so loud?

srs though my vote was doing nothing on desperado, and I have a scumread on Maraca. SIMPLES.

[Stuffed Crust]

WILL YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT MY POSTS SINCE YOU CAN READ ME, FFERYLLT??????????????????

BECAUSE PUTTING YOUR EGGS IN GIF'S BASKET

WILL NOT WORK

Mac? Was it you who put the vote down on MC Maraca?

Sure was. Wanna dance?

[Stuffed Crust]

Oh, and Ffery a huge intentional meta change is like Slimer in our last game. Just thought of that.

Because we want too. Why you gotta play that song so loud?

srs though my vote was doing nothing on desperado, and I have a scumread on Maraca. SIMPLES.

OK. If you think there are enough troops to get together and bring down Desperado, I'll support it because I can't read him well.

Nacho is a gut-scumread of mine though, and happens to be someone I'm familiar with in this game, unlike a few of you. So I feel pretty good with my vote there ATM.

P-edit: wow Ffery!!! you are so precise usually with posts...that's a big whopper there to make...

why does you not being able to read desperado mean we can wagon him?

[Stuffed Crust]

WILL YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT MY POSTS SINCE YOU CAN READ ME, FFERYLLT??????????????????

BECAUSE PUTTING YOUR EGGS IN GIF'S BASKET

WILL NOT WORK

Mac? Was it you who put the vote down on MC Maraca?

Sure was. Wanna dance?

I thought it was Varsoon.

Unvote

Will be afk in a few.

Are you townreading Casso?

I'm not swung either way by Casso right now.

[Stuffed Crust]

I was wondering if dislike of the Casso wagon played into your maraca vote.

The strong appetite for both of those wagons worries me.

No. My scumread on Maraca played into my Maraca vote - and at no point have *I* expressed any read on Casso except early worries about spamming/townreading me so easily (which, by the way, I still stand by but have put it behind me for now)

[Stuffed Crust]

hmmm??

claim: shield?

or doc?

or vig

maybe?

perhaps am gambiting?

maybe I'm drunk!

yeaaAH

hey that was me