NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Stuffed Crust]

I did so much work the servers went down for a second there.

Anyways,

@BRO & MCMARACA

: Sometimes I'm naughty, sometimes I'm nice. Is being friendly a scum-tell? D:

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

If I were scum reading that, I would try to ignore it as much as possible, townread the two people masoning for other reasons, then shoot it at night in the midgame before they're revealed. Especially since they might have also picked up that I crumbed mason-bodyguard, not just mason, so they'd assume I might die protecting a target anyways.

That's the point; anyone who didn't phone in on it seems like they were trying to ignore it b/c it was fairly explicit.

And why would the optimal response from town who caught the crumb be any different? Wouldn't they also townread the two players for other reasons and leave it be? It is suboptimal to say anything about the crumb. What exactly do you mean "phone in on it?"

[Stuffed Crust]

I'm with F-16 on this one, BRO.
Wouldn't any worth-a-damn player not mention it at all because they don't want to run the risk of exposing a PR?

-V

[Empire]

Prodding roflcopter.

[Cephrir]

and GM is once again scum.

I am townreading her regardless of my little antics; though. Explain your scumread thar?

Eh, it doesn't really exist, but I have no reason to think otherwise and I thought her few posts were underwhelming. We'll see when she acually shows up to play.

I know that your buddies have tried to quell the wagon without making it look like they're white-knighting you, but this train's got no brakes, Domo.

Your biggest mistake was swapping your vote to the perceived threat of Desperado, when I was the one who was really pushing your wagon.
Your voteswap back to me mirrors a lack of wanting to find scum. You've changed to self-survival mode.

Why would you care about your own survival, Domo?

Explain your vote on me, again?

P-EDIT: Delicious shit-stained fear.

-V

Nope. I refuse to believe town is this cocky.

Bolded is retarded. No one wants to be lynched day 1. And it's also pretty much totally baseless.

I can understand the desire to pressure me and garner alignment-based tells while I'm under pressure (what I assume the Desperado vote on me was for [if you somehow flip town, I'll be tying a noose for Desp next]).

However, legitimately thinking I'm scum and voting me due to that?

It's a waste of time and effort if you're town. If you're scum, it makes plenty'o'sense.

-V

Desperado?!?!? At least if you said me you'd be fucking consistent!

However, legitimately thinking I'm scum and voting me due to that?

What the eff are you talking about? Are you suggesting I should not have a legitamte scum read?

[if you somehow flip town, I'll be tying a noose for Desp next]).

Lining up mislynches are we?

this is so bad

but nacho's meek response to such a retarded accusation did not sit well with me either

This feels to me like town. It's not a slam dunk town tell obviously, but the fact he is not rigidly anti-DOMO and is also looking at the people I'm pointing at, this feels more town motivated than scum. Thus, it at least kills the scum read I picked up on. My townflip should incriminate you, not desperado.

Why is everyone voting this

I just

Don't

Understand

No, I'm saying that legitimately thinking/perpetuating the idea that I'm scum when you've got no evidence for it and haven't articulated a case for it is awkward. People typically pressure players they are suspicious of, and given responses, temper their reads. You're just going all-in without any of that.

FFS. There is no evidence on Day 1 of a normal game. You have been pressured. I for one have hated your reactions and I'm probably not the only one. Not to mention accusing someone of "going all in" when you appear massively overconfident Domo will flip scum (ludicrous, fyi) hurts.

[Cephrir]

Day 1, Votecount 31

DOMO (6)

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BROseidon, Desperado, Sakura Hana, Stuffed Crust, Generic, pieguyn

KoreanBBQ (3)

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MafiaSSK, Casso the King of Seals, roflcopter

Stuffed Crust (3)

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Cephrir, KoreanBBQ, DOMO

roflcopter (1)

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F-16_Fighting_Falcon

MC Maraca (1)

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pitoli

Generic (1)

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goodmorning

Not Voting (5)

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zMuffinMan, MC Maraca, Brian Skies, Tammy, geists

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch! Deadline is on December 20th at 3:45 PM EST or in (expired on 2013-12-20 16:44:27)

Mod Notes

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Ms Marangal head of MC Maraca is V/LA for a week. Sakura Hana is V/LA until Monday.

You people are killing me. Seriously. Years off my life.

[geists]

You people are killing me. Seriously. Years off my life.

It's going to make me so sad if it turns out you're scum this game.

[Cephrir]

Don't worry, be happy!

[Stuffed Crust]

Well, Ceph, I just so happen to be a retarded, inconsistent, too-cocky townie.

Now that you know I'm not scum, who do you think is?

-V

[MC Maraca]

You people are killing me. Seriously. Years off my life.

I undermean what you stand man. I really do.

[Cephrir]

I sure do miss having a vig kill, though.

p-edit: jesus shut up sc

[Stuffed Crust]

ANSWER THE QUESTION, CEPHRIR

-V

[MC Maraca]

I sure do miss having a vig kill, though.

p-edit: jesus shut up sc

I'll use my inventor role and send you a oneshot vig tonight don't worry babe.

[Cephrir]

ANSWER THE QUESTION, CEPHRIR

-V

In a world where you are inexplicably not scum I'd be looking at Desp and Casso next. The latter admittedly would mostly be a sheep. If you are indeed scum I'd have to rethink my naive scumlist in light of your flip. I think it would prove rather valuable.

[Cephrir]

Oh, and I'm still scumreading SSK too.

[Stuffed Crust]

I'll save you the time and the mislynch effort and confirm myself as town, then.

-V

[Cephrir]

Gee thanks

How generous of you

[DOMO]

No, I'm saying that legitimately thinking/perpetuating the idea that I'm scum when you've got no evidence for it and haven't articulated a case for it is awkward.

No evidence? Jesus Christ dude, it's d1. Where's your "evidence" that I'm scum? I have a gut read you're scum. That's as good as anyone is getting today because there's nothing else to go on. Welcome to d1. So no, I haven't got any evidence, no more than anyone else has on anyone. I've explained what makes me *think* you're scum. I notice you're asking people to sheep you onto me. This is something else I don't like, that I consider scummy. I'll tell people who I think are scum, but I won't try and move other people vote's onto the wagon I'm on, because that's not very pro-town, it's effectively like saying "I'm right you're wrong". How can you be so sure?

You're pretty predictable, too. I knew you'd respond with the whole "lining up mislynches" thing as I was writing that.

Well why don't you explain how me flipping town suddenly looks bad for desperado, when it's his case you seem to be jumping on?

Given this and the fact that you're grasping at commenting on anything else that's happening as of late makes me believe that you're trying to escape my persecution. You won't. I'm clamped onto your ass like a pitbull.

This is chest beating. I don't consider this to be much of a town tell. If you were town, there's no way you can feel this confident you bagged scum on d1.

I'm very confident that you are scum based on your interactions with me

Well you better start thinking about how you're going to pretend to be shocked.

and then, yes, I'd be pushing a wagon on Desperado

This doesn't make sense to set up your target a day in advance when there's lots that can happen overnight. I haven't got a clue who I'm going after tomorrow if we lynch you and you flip town. There's too many factors for me to consider that now. So why are you thinking so far ahead? When you first put your vote on me, you're already thinking in terms of DOMO vs desperado.

Yeah I think you're scum who seized on a town vs town war.

[Stuffed Crust]

One of DOMO and Desp is scum, I'm positive of that.

P-EDIT:

@DOMO:

The problem is that I'm town, and I sincerely believe that one or both of you and Desp are scum.
Of course I'm going to confidently push for what I believe in.

-V

[Cephrir]

One of DOMO and Desp is scum, I'm positive of that.

P-EDIT:

@DOMO:

The problem is that I'm town, and I sincerely believe that one or both of you and Desp are scum.
Of course I'm going to confidently push for what I believe in.

-V

...and then criticize others for doing the same

[DOMO]

One of stuffed crust, DOMO and Desp is scum, I'm positive of that.

fyp

[Stuffed Crust]

I don't care if I die in the process, I'll expose you and your scum-buddies.
I don't care if I look retarded or idiotic or whatever, I'm going to pin scum.
DOMO, I think you're scum. Your defense of yourself keeps pushing an offense of me, setting me up as some kind of opponent of yours. You're actively scumpainting me with your posts.
Instead of defending yourself, you're attacking me.
And, really, what threat do I pose to you?
I'm town. All I can fucking do is vote and make noise.
So, why are you trying to quell that noise?
What about it is so threatening?
If you're town, wouldn't you just brush it off?

P-EDIT:
I am town, so you can stop being an asshole and saying otherwise.

-V

[DOMO]

Instead of defending yourself, you're attacking me.

Hi, I'm DOMO, you might know me as rev.

[Cephrir]

I don't care if I die in the process, I'll expose you and your scum-buddies.
I don't care if I look retarded or idiotic or whatever, I'm going to pin scum.
DOMO, I think you're scum. Your defense of yourself keeps pushing an offense of me, setting me up as some kind of opponent of yours. You're actively scumpainting me with your posts.
Instead of defending yourself, you're attacking me.
And, really, what threat do I pose to you?
I'm town. All I can fucking do is vote and make noise.
So, why are you trying to quell that noise?
What about it is so threatening?
If you're town, wouldn't you just brush it off?

P-EDIT:
I am town, so you can stop being an asshole and saying otherwise.

-V

So, let's see here. He's "trying to quell the noise" of you voting him. By... arguing with you? Oh, but you say he's not defending himself. THese statements are mutually exclusive.

You want him to brush it off, and you want him to defend himself? Come on now.

Keep saying "I'm town", that's great. If you say it enough times maybe your fairy godmother will make it come true? You aren't Tammy.

[Cephrir]

The one and only thing you have going for you right now is that you're still posting. Quite frankly, if I was Mac and scum? I'd be telling you to shut the fuck up.