Mini 414-Anime Mafia | GAME OVAH!

[Skruffs]

Thrawn you obviously cannot put the vote on me for that reason, because as you said, you have not played with cubsfan. You can not put a vote on cubsfan for that reason, because as you said, you have not played with. And yet you vote for me with no sense of contradiction!!

Obviously

there is more reason to put a vote on me than on him. Soooo...

I'll be happy to vote your scumbuddy for you though!

Vote : Cubsfan

My archnemesis. We meet again *eyewaggle*
This time, Sammi is not around to save you, either.

[Skruffs]

Hee hee... hello jack.. SV... Hemisphere dancer..

Hallo everyone new. Please to meet you.
Looks to be a promising game.

I hope I'm nto scum, too, HD, because that means IH sent me the wrong role. THe Skruptumfoid Scum Team is decommissioned this game.

[Skruffs]

Maybe it's a code! Maybe not. Here's who he's voted for (in order) - the numbers are hte numebrs they are in on teh front page.
1)ubertimmy
5)Skruffs
4)thrawn1020
6)Jack
7)Yamahako
(nolynch)

15467 is the zipcode of a town in Pennsylvania called "New Geneva"...
I really don' tknow much abuot Anime but does that number or that name "New Geneva" ring anyone's bells?

[Skruffs]

Cubans, if you are scum, just let us know and we will help you out.

[Skruffs]

Doesn't 'neo' mean 'new' in some language?
He's also stopped since his nolynch... maybe it's a random thing he has do. If he has to do it every day, it's going to be bothersome, esp when we get to less people in the game than he can vote for.

[Skruffs]

Jack was smart in voting himself early, I have no reason to think that him voting for different people 'targets' them for anything at night.
Jack - do you have a Vote restriction?
Do you have to vote every time you post?
Does it really matter? I don't think so.
*tries to think of any animes that involve a lot of hopping*

[Skruffs]

thrawn - interesting theory.

Unvote, Vote spectrumvoid

I don't see why cubsfan is suspicious for 'fishing ' - knowing what is up with Jack can keep allow us to stop being suspicious of him, if he is town, and spend our energies on other pursuits.

[Skruffs]

Whoa whoa whooooa!! You're FOSing me for voting for someone you have deemed

most important player

at the BEGINNING of day one?!

I voted for spectrum because she didn't have any votes on her, and I wanted to see if something would happen regarding a peculiar player who is

hopping around

a lot. I didn't see the big

'don't ever vote experience players'

sign you had erected around her.
Did I say anything about her? No! Did I e ver imply that people should vote her? No!!
And suggesting that some people should be immune from votes is a LOT scummier than a random vote page three...
Gude Grieph!

Unvote

No offense meant, milady!

Yama - if you think cubs is scum for fishing, and that therefore I am scum for defending him, why are you voting me? Isn't it more likely a townie would be accidentally defending a scum than a scum would intentionally stick their neck out defending a townie?

[Skruffs]

Ahh, I get it.. you were just baiting. Okay. Well, since you said

BIG FOS

I thought that you thought your reasons were

BIG REASONS

.
You reasoned your FOS on (presumablyl)" vote hoping to spectrumvoid who made a good point." to be honest, I wasn't even basing it on spectrumviod's point - I agree it is a good one. But A) you didn't ask me if that's why I was voting her and B) you further explained why voting her was

bad

with this:
"players who post a lot are valuable (either as townie or mafia) and thus voting for/lynching spectrumvoid is destructive"

I agree with your reasoning but let's look at the facts:

The Mod : 9 posts
Skruffs : 9 posts (with this one) : (Thrawn1020, Yamahako)
AndrewS - 8 posts : (Mert, Jack)
Jack : 8 posts
Spectrumvoid : 7 posts, 2 of which were addresses to mod, other five one or two lines worth.
Hemisphere Dancer - 7 posts
yano : 5 posts
MErt : 4 posts
Cuban smoker - 4 posts
thrawn : 4 posts
cubsfan : 3 posts : (AndrewS)
Simenon : 1 post
ubertimmy - 0 posts : (Spectrumvoid, Cuban Smoker)

Funny that I don't see you chastizing anyone else for voting for 'big posters'...

I changed your words around but that was effectively what you were sayign. You were fosing me for voting someone that you didn't want me to vote for, and the reasons you stated for it weren't don't match up with yoru reactions to other people.

You say there's not much to go on on day one, and then chastise people for trying to understand what *is* going on. (re : cubs on jack) Do you want people to talk, or Not?

Yama : Cubs did not ask jack what his role was. You are exaggerating his question. He asked 'what was up' due to jack's vote hopping all over the place. This is a questoin that was on my mind, too - if it wasn't on yours, that's fine, but you're creating a pink elephant where there is not one by makign some sort of taboo about talking about it.

There *are* no post restrictions in this game, it's a *normal* mini, not themed. So Jack is doing all that stuff of his own free will - Is there a reason for it? Who knows...

[Skruffs]

Let me get this straight; you had a similar lquestion to cubsfan, but he was suspicious for asking it, because nobody would answer it, truthfully. How do you know that? And wouldn't a lie still be better than nothing at all? Continuing on, you say that askign the question isn't as scummy as someone else defending the guy for asking it. So me saying that someone asking a not-very-suspicious question is not suspicious, makes me scummy... okay. Then, after you vote for me, you think I am scummier still for explaining/defending myself, or in your words "Continuing to defend cubsfan'...

This is all based, apparently on your own preset ideals on what questions are scummy vs not, a set of rules that seems to fluctuate based on teh time of day and how you are feeling. You have contradicted your own words and definitions to the point that I feel that can not defend myself without seeming scummy in your eyes.

"Seems a bit convoluted to try and defend yourself through him - especially when its you I'm voting for... and not just for that reason. But your defensive behavior is noted. "
What are the other reasons? Now I'm curious. I think you are 'fishing' for a bandwagon against me, and I think that's suspicious. Hopefully people will take your own advice toheart and allow you to defend yourself.

[Skruffs]

THank you SV - and no offense meant, but to say that voting you is destructive when other people are voting for other people who are posting more is contradictory and

ridiculous

. You may indeed be an absolute asset to the town BUT that's not a given just because you post a lot.

[Skruffs]

Skruffs, I can't decide whether or not I should be voting you at the moment. You have some posts that are very logical-looking, and some that...well, to put it lightly, are both hard to follow, and useless.

Thank you, thrawn. Voting me for being incomprehensible is much more valid a point than some of the others that have been said. I mean I can understand you voting for me for that. I'll endeavor to clean up my posts a bit, I don't notice before I post, but always notice after, that my grammar and dyslexia are getting worse and worse. I should perhaps re-read more.

[Skruffs]

welcoem to the game Uber.

[Skruffs]

please explain what would be a better environment. Unquestioned bandwagons?

[Skruffs]

thrawn - interesting theory.

Unvote, Vote spectrumvoid

I don't see why cubsfan is suspicious for 'fishing ' - knowing what is up with Jack can keep allow us to stop being suspicious of him, if he is town, and spend our energies on other pursuits.

Thrawn mentioned that jack had as many vote as the rest of us. I thought "Hmm, I wonder if Jack is just voting whenever someone else does," so I random voted someone who had no votes on them. That person was SV, who had said something just before thrawn. I checked the previous vote count and saw that she had no votes against her, besides, she said she's not scum. She's not scum, as far as I am concerned. The vote was a random vote to see what Jack would do. It was an unfortunate coincidence about what SV said shortly before I posted.

[Skruffs]

I did not count jack's vs everyone else's votes. I just did it, it was faster.

Mert , it might be clear to you that you are testing them, but to everyone else, it might look like scum distancing themselves, a cop with a guilty result, someone trying to distract town from something else, etc... That's why saying why you are doing something is more pro town - it directs town's attention to who you are asking the questions of, rather than onto both of you. Right?

[Skruffs]

Mert, I'm sorry for criticizing your scumming techniques. You can bandwagon anyone you want.

Jack, I think your vote hopping was kind of nice, in a way, and it did spur attention.

Cubs, Cuban smoker, you guys abboy the heck out of me, but in a brotherly way.

spectrumvoid, hemisphere dancer you two look lovely today.

Thrawn, I commend your willingness to motivate the game.

simenon, andrewS, you have the letter N in your name, and I bet it means "Not Scum"
I'm *sure* it means 'Nice", if nothing else.

Unvote

Vote : Everyone

I want to share the love with all of you.
Happy Sappy Nice Day!

[Skruffs]

I didn't really see - at that time - that there would be any point in saying "This is to see if Jack changes his vote, now that I have voted someone."
If I had random voted anyoen else, it probably would not have been a big deal - as it is, I random voted you, someone who is basically not acting scummy or lurking or anythign else. If I had said it was a random vote, probably the reaction to it would not have been so extreme. I'll admit this. At the same time, I *usually* explain why I am voting someone, at least to a degree. I do not just wagon blindly or start somethign without reason. I was taken aback by the amount of vehemence that was expressed towards me for the one little vote, but my intentions were not to incur that vehemence.

[Skruffs]

*eyeballs on Simenon and Thrawn*
What are you guys up to, anyways?

[Skruffs]

I would question the validity of cuban smoker's logic in hsi vote switch, but, apparently, that's not pro-town anymore.

sooo...

Unvote

Vote : Cubsfan4ever

NOW you are at F0UR V0TE5! C0NTR1BUTE C0LD HARD FACT5 0R PER15H!!!

[Skruffs]

C0LD H4RD F4CT5 4CKN0L3DG3D

Unvote : Cubsfan

I'm always over eager day one. I enjoy the brawls that ensue. People can use strategery day two and day three and whatnot. Day one is a day when scum is misunderestimated.

thrawn - who knows. Only the shadow knows. Well, the shadow, ubertimmy, yamahoko, and cubansmoker.
I find it really interesting that cubansmoker votes for alurker... than after one post decides to move onto the person the lurker is voting for. It's not hard to imagine that ubertimmy isn't going to move his vote before the lynch; so it's that much easier of a bandwagon. That doesn't make anyone scummy, or not scummy. HEll I probably look scummy for 'defending' cubsfan again. I'd just like to see him make it past day one, for once

[Skruffs]

awww dang.

[Skruffs]

Vote : Jack

Acting scummy and then thinking someone else is scummy for saying so is distracting to good play. HI-YA!

[Skruffs]

Ouch, that hurts. What kind of people run people up for acting like that?

Unvote

Vote : ...

Damn. I got nothing.
Back to the cubs wagon...
HI-YA!

*Kicks cubsfan in the FACE*

This is fun

[Skruffs]

andrews original statement really didn't strike me as scummy - i understood what he meant with his concern.

[Skruffs]

This is nice. We've gotten to page seven with no obvious scums, so I suppose it's time to go to Level Two of scum questioning:

Hemisphere Dancer!

ARE YOU SCUM???

[Skruffs]

*whimper*

[Skruffs]

Sounds like cubansmoker's setting me up... I'm not going to sweat.
And when someone urges "Come on guys it's time to lynch someone', I generally start paying mroe attention to them.

7 pages over 12 days is not 'dragged on long enough'... why the push for a speedlynch, cuban?

[Skruffs]

Am I one of them?
I hope so... <3
I always get more serious after people have done naughty things. Right now I have no reason to vote anyone, seriously, or to form a bandwagon. Nobody has anything to feel guilty about so I don't really feel like scrutinizing posts for non-existant tells. The only thing I can expect to happen day one is, someone hyper-defends their scum buddy - and the only way to get people defensive is by acting erratic, right?

[Skruffs]

OMG U SET ME UP THE BOMB

Unvote

(if needed)
I am sorry if I seemed to say I thought I Was being set up! It didn't really come accross that way to me.

But let me get this straight - the fact that I don't find anyone suspicious... is suspicious?
I explained how I work. I don't really find anyone suspicious until they are defending themselves or someone else - nobody has any reason to defend other people on day one, except scum. The alternative to having a reason to vote, blindly wagoning with anyone else, seems careless and dangerous.

So I do not mind you are voting me, Mert, but I Think your reasoning is a little strained. So!! I am sure you will not mind if I

Oh My God You Suck Vote : Mert

[Skruffs]

Subtle guidance, Jack?

[Skruffs]

FIrst of all, I do like how you used the "Skruffs is over-reacting" tactic again (see cubansmoker earlier in game).

Mert, in regards to your post, you've said it yourself, only a few pages back. We have different styles of playing mafia.. You seem to like putting votes on people in a sort of "Prove yourself or die" scenario, whereas I prefer to go with the flow and pick up on things that seem really otu of place. When I pick up on something, I call attention to it, and ask for an exlpanation - and if you were actually reading me instead of just trying to pick a fight with me, I think you would see that.

Now, as for why I am not 'scum hunting' (which by your definition seems to be voting and/or wagoning), please consider that I've already had ONE wagon on me for random-voting the

wrong person

. You have already seen what happens they I 'put a few votes out'. Why are you antagonizing me for not continuing to do so?

Lastly, I did not say I'm only going to vote someone if I have proof. You are not asking for any of that, though. You are simply saying that I have no desire to help the town find scum. Which is not true. I am voting for someone who is acting suspicious, right now.

Personally, I'm curious about the HD/Yamahoko thing that's going on.

[Skruffs]

jack: Heeheehee. It's okay we're all friends here. You can admit it. ^.^

[Skruffs]

Happy Scumday, Yamahoko!

[Skruffs]

Your scum day is over, so..


DIE NOW SCUM!!!!

[Skruffs]

IT's not much of a discussion starter, anymore, Jack, unless you say why with it.

[Skruffs]

Also, FOS: Jack for posting only one word up to this point when he could post more

Unvote, Vote:AndrewS

Why do you assume I have a vote restriction but that I can post more than I have been posting?

Baiting

[Skruffs]

Misread that as "nonsensical masons" for some reason
And yeah, exactly what andrews said.

Abbott, curious why you targetted cubs for responding to jack, rather than jack for still reasonlessly vote hopping.

[Skruffs]

Jack.. are you stating that you would prefer to have a better game offered for your perusal?
That happens when people who are interested in the game go back through and look for something, or offer a theory, or make a bold statement. It's not something you are going to find by poking random people in the forehead.

Confirm Vote : Jack for inciting apathy

[Skruffs]

unvote (if I'm voting), Vote Cubsfan4ever

How sure are you that Jack is acting off or Random

Ubertimmy, you said that before, have any reasoning behind it?

Uhh... Jack isn't acting random? Because...

The town isn't stupid. Dropping random votes here and there isn't going to confuse them. In fact there is no evidence of them being confused, quite the opposite.

Jack says he is... and has been.
But I congradulate jack on his first vote with reasoning in it.
Things are less random, now.

[Skruffs]

IT's not much of a discussion starter, anymore, Jack, unless you say why with it.

For a change, I agree with you Skruffs

Since we're under deadline, there's less time to ponder over reactions to things like Jack's voting with no reasoning. I think it was fine in the early stages of the game (it

did

get a few people asking questions, after all) but I think we're a little short of concrete evidence at the moment.

Man, I hate deadlines

I was going to ask how it got debunked, unless you meant your own defense of it, (which hardly counts as a debunking), but then I found this post from my archnemesis Mert.
Which is why everyone threw votes at you again, this time, Jack. Strangely enough I forgot all about the pressure wagon on HD, me and Mert's argument, etc. Since I jsut got knocked out of three games I should be able to focus a bit more on this one. Yay.

[Skruffs]

Ha!
Yamahoko's Voting/Fossing History:
vote : jack (for vote hopping)
vote : skruffs
Vote : cubsfan
fos : andrews
vote : hemisphere
vote : cubsfan
-----------
Cubansmoker's voting/fossing history:
vote : ubertimmy (for not posting)
fos skruffs
vote : cubsfan
vote : hemisphere
vote : jack
vote : cubsfan

Cubansmoker has never refferred(sp?) to Yamahoko before, and Yamahoko's only reference to CUbansmoker was directing him to wikipedia.org so he could research some fake roles.
Okay maybe not for the last part, but still... I think they're similar mentality of following each other's leads without actually talking to each other is worth considering.

[Skruffs]

you meant cubansmoker, right?
because I was referring to cubansmoker.

I'm not assuming anything - just bringing to light something worth considering. THey have had almost identical tactics this game, and don't seem to question each other at all. It's worth noting.

[Skruffs]

Yeah... cubs gets lynched a lot in games because it's 'cool' not to like him outside of the mafia games. While that's unavoidable to a degree, when you're blatantly using that as a reason to lynch someone, you're not really helping the town. Just a little FYI.

[Skruffs]

I guess you are correct - both times you've voted him, it was because he questioned jack, who (let's admit it) is about as pro-town as they come.

[Skruffs]

Jack - you want to comment on something *other* than votes you are pulling onto yourself?

[Skruffs]

I was doing that in another game with Mr. Stoofer and Mr Flay.

Jack - it can, yes, or you could be doing it as a distraction when you see one of your scum buddies getting pressured. This last time you voted Ubertimmy right after he voted yamo. Now yamo is voting someone who's voting you. Etc, etc, etc.

I'm into studying who people vote for, but without knowing some constants (like dead people alignments) you have no basis to work with. It's more likely we're just two good townies who can recognize two other good townies.

Cubansmoker, based on the idea that i have no knowledge of anyone's role in the game, this effectively means I can't offer theories day one, because they have "no basis". How much proof do I need to have before I sugges tsomething I've noted? On a similar note, this means that lynching one of you will give a basis as to the alignment of the other.

I also don't like the subclaiming.

[Skruffs]

Yamo - I was taking his reasoning one step further.
That you are saying I'm scummy, when He is the one tying himself to you, and not responding to him yourself, is making my ears perk waaaay forward, like an attentive cat's.

[Skruffs]

Yay. As long as I can theorize - you'll notice I didn't actually vote you two.
Maybe you are right about it beign useless right now as compared to later, however, it could also be a scum tactic of one mafia to tie themself in with a townie. Or it could be coincidence.

IT does provoke discussion, though - and if you can provoke discussion it's a good thing.

[Skruffs]

I post too much?
The problem with lists is that people who nobody outwardly suspects are goign to get killed off to keep the scum safe.

My list to lynch: (Most lynchy to least)
Scummers
Jack
Uber Timmy
Yamahoko
Cubs (both of them)
Mert
Abbott

Someone said earlier, and I believe in this game, that lurkers are worth lynching because people who talk a lot tend to trip themselves up, right? If mafia are going to act pro-town they are going to have to act pro town more than pro town people, and that maeans they'll have to play a tighter game.
Mafia who might be lurking, leave no trails. So it's worth going after them.


I have Jack next because he's basically being ornery as a goat, and for all his bleating, isn't actually contributing much more thanhis vote-droppings.

[Skruffs]

well obviously there aren't 8 scummers. There should be top three.
That's just hte list i would want to lynch people in. I didn't include myself because i shouldn't be lynched. I don't agree with Mert on some things but i respect that he goes out there and is hunting scum.

[Skruffs]

Well.. I want to lynch scummers first (if you look at the top of my list, i distinctly marked that down)
If there does not become an obvious scummer to lynch, that's the list of people that I am least to most cohesive with. PEople who aren't on it have made no impact on the game so far and thusly, are to be considered 'scummers' for further notice.

However

I really don't think that lynching someone because you don't get along with them is valid reasoning, at

all

. See earlier defenses of cubs vs others. With that reasoning, Scum just have to be more charming than town for a few days and win. This isn't about poularity, this is about usefullness.
Even if I don't like Jack's methods, if they work, they work. Haven't seen how they work, yet, though.

Welcome back, Thrawn.

HD, I summon thee. Come back from Margaritaville and speak.

SPEAK!

[Skruffs]

414 > 416, obv.

<.<;

Deadline in 3 1/2 days

[Skruffs]

Err... than it worked, if he was trying to pull you off of cubsfan, right?

[Skruffs]

Guh??
Look mafia games are a lot like a Subway Hoagie(r). Sure the beginning, the first bite or two, is very dry. It's mostly bread with maybe hints of cheese and ketchup and such. But you have to eat it. We're each a little tooth in the great mouth that is Anime Mafia, and if only some of us are chewing, those teeth are going to get worn down pretty fast. Adn then, when we get tot he bgi juicy middle with the tomatoes and lettuce and meat and stuff, and the fresh tooth who's been hiding in the background jumps in, do you know what happens?
Resentment.
And resentful towns KILL PEOPLE. D:
So get chewing.... At this point any chewing is good chewing.

Unvote

Vote : AndrewS

[Skruffs]

At this point of the game - with deadline looming - it makes sense to offer reasons. Or at least to vote others.

I forget if we know what will happen if deadline is reached.

Mod?

[Skruffs]

What happens if nobody has *any* votes on them at deadline? does the last person to be unvoted from get lynched?

[Skruffs]

You really think talking and talking and talking is going to help the town any? This is an honest, curious question.
My experiences have kinda taught me that the more a townie flails the more likely a lazy town will ynch them and the less effort spent on others.

[Skruffs]

I'm down with a lurker lynch, day one at least.

Unvote

Vote : Ubertimmy

It won't reveal info about others, though. But it will leave people who have left information out in the open to further squirm.

[Skruffs]

Who's better?

[Skruffs]

Beg pardon?

Are you basing the 'scummier and scummier' part of your opinion on my vote hopping on who I'm voting for, or just that I am hopping around?
If it's because I'm hopping around, well, I don't like deadlines. I tend to get lynched when it comes to first day deadlines. I'm nervous.

If it's the votehopping that bothers you, then, why don't you mind that Jack is doing it, and without reasons, too?

Really confused that you would lay something like that out in the open, right before deadline, too. Seems pretty oppurtunistic.

Anyawys, back to the game.
Why again is cubsfan the better play? I'll be happy to vote him (Again) if you have a reason, at the risk of being considered "scummiest". Backdooring someone when they've actually notified us that they will eb absent, is pretty lowbrow.

[Skruffs]

Ugh, I am tired of people building cases that revolve around the words "Seem to me" "as if you are", "seems like a" "it could be WIFOM", "seems more".... I've dealt with it in other games.
And now that you've said that, mafia has no reason not to kill you, because it puts a big arrow back to me. I have no reason to think anyone is scum more than anyone else. I have suspicions. But I think it's pretty anti-town to set up WIFOM contraptions right before the end of the day, on a weekend, when nobody is around to really comment on them.
I'll say this; obviously, it goes both ways. If I turn up dead, I hope people take a harder look at you and cuban smoker.

Mod : Can you prod everyone who hasn't posted on this page? Since the deadlien is tommorrow?

[Skruffs]

Ha.
I did exactly that in
Open 14, andExile Mafia, and was lynched, day one, as a vanilla townie. It did not help the town, at all - it provided a big amount of noise adn distraction that the scum (may) have been validated in voting behind. Those are other games so I really don't know WHAT Happened, except that I was lynched day one and I spoke as earnestly as I could about everything in the game.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME, YAMO, FOR WANTING TO BE MORE THAN JUST A DAY ONE LYNCH IN THIS GAME.

Lastly, you telling me how to act as a vanilla townie when you are not doing so yourself suggests you are not a vanilla townie. That and your intentional avoidance of talking about you and Cuban Smoker's similar thought processes leaves me suspicious. And of course directing scum/doctors/cops just before deadline is *also* suspicious.

[Skruffs]

Replacer : Usually takes over for a power role that may have been killed (in a limited fashion)

Welcome to day two, folks.

[Skruffs]

EBWOP : The is supposed to be : P

[Skruffs]

Ahhh so he trades spots with another person that night.
Thanks mod.

[Skruffs]

I'm confused. Isn't someone advocating the lynch of someone they thought of as scum beter than someone who just votes for them for the sake of avoiding no lynch?
What about *Everyone else* who thought Jack was scummy?
And considering he was a replacer, I think it's more likely that he replaced spots with someone who was killed, and that's why he died.
Considering we now have proof of a vig (now dead) and no doctor left, it's also likely that the doctor killed someone - the same person jack replaced with - and that's why jack died. The mafia more likely than not killed the vig.

Vote : Yamahoko

[Skruffs]

MOD :
If a replacer trades with scum, will they automatically die?

[Skruffs]

An SK, I guess, actually is quite plausible. Well, looking at what people said just befre the lynch, i think i have atheory on what happened - and it doesn't involve a vig.

Vote stays. Yamo is pretending to be town while being misleading.

[Skruffs]

THE reason being first of all that HD never hinted at being a power role or offered theories of her own - and her only response to JAck was that he might be the village idiot.

Secondly - Jack's ability equates to being a bodyguard. A choose-your-target bodyguard. Why would he bodyguard HD?

[Skruffs]

Mert - why do you think he's more likely sk than mafia?

Yamahako is a vrey nice name, my apologies for butchering it.

[Skruffs]

thrawn - you have my attention. What happens tommorrow that will tell us what happened last night?

[Skruffs]

as for name claiming, I'm happy to. I don't think it will really show anything though - a good mod should have proded the bad guys with fake claims or 'safe' claims. I don't know much about anime but I know of one or two 'fake' animes that, if I see, I'm voting for.

[Skruffs]

Yu-Gi-Oh.

I forget if yu-gi-oh or pokemon is the one that causes seizures?

[Skruffs]

I was trying to hint at that, and was originally going to consider it. We have three power roles outed already - and ubertimmy better have a reason for being a very very bad lynch.

But this is why jack died, i think. I think jack replaced with ubertimmy, and someone targetted ubertimmy. That's why i said he was basically a body guard. I don't know if HD would have done that or not.

The nameclaims shouldn't matter at all. They can add flavor - but we might as well just get it out of the way. If people don't want to, I'm not going to push it, but I doubt it matters now.

[Skruffs]

I was trying to hint at that, and was originally going to consider it. We have three power roles outed already - and ubertimmy better have a reason for being a "very bad" lynch.

But this is why jack died, i think. I think jack replaced with ubertimmy, and someone targetted ubertimmy. That's why i said he was basically a body guard. I don't know if HD would have done that or not.

The nameclaims shouldn't matter at all. They can add flavor - but we might as well just get it out of the way. If people don't want to, I'm not going to push it, but I doubt it matters now.

[Skruffs]

Exactly.
And don't forget Blockers.

[Skruffs]

Hmm.

Welcome to the town of Animeville. You're all such fanatics, most of you are just like your anime! It seems that some posing wannabe's have entered your town, and are making it difficult to continue life. Mostly by killing you!

Mod, I have a question. What exactly does "Posing wannabe's" mean?
I didn't even notice at first that we are not ACTUALLY our animes, we are just FANBOYS of our own specific animes. Thus the mafia are not really fanboys, they are... what... fake fanboys sent to kill us?

MOD - CAN YOU EXPLAIN PLEASE?

[Skruffs]

Ahh... jealousy rears it's ugly head. So the anime isn't important, it's the level of fandom of the wannabes that is important.

[Skruffs]

Not to interrupt, but if you are voting for someone to be lynched, you are endorsing it.
If you didn't endorse it you shouldn't have done it. Jumping onto a wagon without any stated reasoning and then fossing other people on the wagon when it turns up wrong is... scumscum. So I keep my vote where it is.

[Skruffs]

here

[Skruffs]

I believe yamo was voting cubsfan, and cubsfan was voting yama...
And *someone* had posted a very nice attack against yama about voting with intent to lynch vs bandwawgoning, etc.

[Skruffs]

We can only start over from scratch. If you guys want to go to town on each other again, feel free.
I was rereading a bit, and I think I want to look at Mert a bit closer. Mert was the one pushing for an andrews lynch without really contributing much else.

[Skruffs]

Mert Mert Mert.

[Skruffs]

I don't understand, though.


You are saying that Cubs knew that Jack was a switcher, and accurately knew who Jack was going to target, and killed That person so that Jack would actually die, all so that hte person he was trying to get lynched day one wouldn't be aroud to easily get lynched day two?

What is the sense in that?
Honestly. The logic is all flawed. Let's take a Regular example, where scum wants to get Townie A lynched. Does it make sense to push for someone as scum, and then kill them off that night? No. If you think that way, you have to think the next step: Kill off who A wants lynched, so that A looks guilty the next day.

But assuming Jack wasn't role blocked, none of that is possible in this context, anyways.

[Skruffs]

thrawn - tha'ts kind of my reasoning, too. We can not accurately speculate what happened last night, until we know what happened last night, and then speculation isn't necessary. Yam sayign that cubs killed jack (if I remember correctly) will keep my vote nestled safely on him.

I'm not a double voter, if that's a worry.

[Skruffs]

I think mafia try to kill people who are unlikely to get lynched, don't they?
Lurkers get lynched a lot.

[Skruffs]

In fact, if I remember correctly, it was one of the driving forces behind ANdrewS lynches yesterday.

[Skruffs]

That's very thoughtful of you, Abbott, to do that for Ubertimmy.

[Skruffs]

A vanilla townie is a bad lynch, yes, but emphasizing that it's REALLY bad suggests that it's worse than vanilla townie. And since three power roles were killed in a role - something I don't think anyoen would expect to happen - it's worth UT explaining. OR at least sayign that he is nto going to explain.

[Skruffs]

Wwell the thing is, he soft claimed power role yesterday to avoid being lynched, and our doctor got lynched instead. The vig is dead, the switcher is dead. If UT is not scum, he's going to be hit tonight, most likely, and there's no way to avoid that, now. For all we know, he was 'hit' last night but jack replaced with him. No idea. And he's letting us put each other at -2 and whatnot without offering a word. SO yeah, if he's a power role, he needs to offer whatever he can, now, BEFORE someone gets lynched, instead of skulking around and trying to slink into day three.

[Skruffs]

Mert : You don't seem to have any reason to think he's not actually a power role. Why?

[Skruffs]

ha, good point abbott.

[Skruffs]

THat's kind of why I didn't think he said his lynch was bad, because he was just a townie. Has he even posted since the day started? No. His bluff got called. YESeterday's lynch and last night's nightkills pretty much backed UT into a corner, and he's got nowhere to go, so, he's hiding.
He's not going ot talk because he doesn't have anything to say, which d oesn't make him especialy useful OR a bad lynch if he IS town, because he's literally AVOIDING helping town.

Unvote

VOTE : UBERTIMMY

[Skruffs]

yesh, he's gone about everywhere.

[Skruffs]

I was kinda hoping he'd get some kind of spider sense thingie, where he knows he's close to being lynched and will come back and defend himself.
A replacement works, too, though.

[Skruffs]

Unvote

Vote : Yamahoko

Yarr.

[Skruffs]

thrawn is proxying his opinion onto someone else?

[Skruffs]

More lynchings, plz

[Skruffs]

Well, I've already addressed that repeatedly, but mostly it's because he immediately started the day 'where he left off' yesterday - I believe he is being voted on for others for voting someone he didn't think was scum, instead of actually pushing scum, and his response was that cubs fan was not in the game. Considering he started day one wanting to go after cubsfan, too, and basically seems to be a one trick pony, I think he is probably the right play for the day.

But this has alr eayd been discussed in previous pages.

[Skruffs]

I also think trying to tie cubs to jack's death was... dumb.

[Skruffs]

How is Yama too townie to be town?
You and him had the same view points on almost everything day 1 - you think that his view points were scummy now?

[Skruffs]

That was aimed at cuban smoker. Obviously.

[Skruffs]

Yama, appeal to emotion. If you are a townie than you should be fighting your lynch by saying who you think is scum and why, instead. MY reasons at least for voting you were placed a while ago.

[Skruffs]

Fine, let's lynch cubs then. It will at least force Yama and cuban to go after another person to try nad lynch, since they vote and think the same way all the time anyways.

Unvote

Vote : cubsfan

[Skruffs]

ABSTENSION?

[Skruffs]

So you are around, just not posting.

[Skruffs]

If you want replaced, ask for it. The game doesn't need people who don't care about it.

[Skruffs]

Imma gonna be lurky-slackin' the next ten days or so.. but i iwll post at least every other day.

[Skruffs]

That should have been enough.
What really sucks is that if Cubs isn't scum, he's putting ALL of us at LYLO tommorrow because he doesn't care. THat's what sucks.

[Skruffs]

Odd, Ubertimmy is still alive.

[Skruffs]

Mert - Cubs was an SK. That's scum.
Yama - Interesting turn around.

That said, Skruffs' point about Ubertimmy's soft claim yesterday does have some weight to it. Ubertimmy hinted at a power role and is, therefore, a strong potential candidate for a scum hit tonight. In light of that, I'd like to see him make a big contribution today just in case he doesn't make it until tomorrow. I don't think he necessarily needs to reveal any night actions or claim at this point, but hearing from him would be good.

Good posting!

A vanilla townie is a bad lynch, yes, but emphasizing that it's REALLY bad suggests that it's worse than vanilla townie. And since three power roles were killed in a role - something I don't think anyoen would expect to happen - it's worth UT explaining. OR at least sayign that he is nto going to explain.

It would be great to hear anything from UberTimmy - but as I said he hasn't been posting in any of the games I've been in with him.

However - if he is really a power role, I think its a better idea that he keep it quiet - It's possible we have 4 townie power roles to balance a powerful mafia - and the last thing I think we should do it out the last one :-/

But yeah, UberTimmy needs to at least comment on the game - but there's lots of people lurking (like Cubs for instance... great last post buddy)

[Skruffs]

So why do you think Ubertimmy said :

I am a REALLY REALLY BAD LYNCH

I cannot stress this enough. Sorry, I forgot this game existed as it's in italy, not coney.

?

[Skruffs]

That's because there's THREE POSTS.

[Skruffs]

At this point in the game, I think it's worth it for UT or whoever replaced him to claim.

[Skruffs]

Odd, I don't *recall* trying to quicklynch UT/OTU. Did I vote for him? No, I believe not. Did I call attention to him? Yes.
Just like you called attention to Cubsfan yesterday after going after him all day the day before.

[Skruffs]

Yama, I'm sure that's not what you meant, but that came accross looking like a soft scum-claim.

[Skruffs]

I can guess as to what the claims will be :
towniex7.

IF I picked order, I'd say, in the order we are on the front page.

[Skruffs]

I'm going to go back and review people's responses to the two deaths from night one. PEople who focus on one death and not another, for example, that kind of thing.

[Skruffs]

at this point, zu_faul, and especially if you Are town, stalling or backtracking is a really bad idea. Dead roles include: Vigilante, Doctor, and a 'martyr' of sorts. With a serial killer also dead. You should explain yourself. Or UT. Whichever, as best you can. Even if it means you get nightkilled, it can help us lynch right today.

If the mafia is 3/7, we're in lylo.
So.

[Skruffs]

I think that's why UT and OTU both replaced out - if they were the only logical role left they would be saying something to otheres about it.. and with no doctor around there'se no reason for scum to ignore what might possibly be a cop around. So i think that that is a case against you, zu faul, but it's not somethign i'm going to go so far as to cement with a vote yet.

[Skruffs]

Yama, if you think he's a townie, then why are you trying to protect him so much?
A) Point out where in day one and day two i was "far less forward" - then point to me where you wanted you have pushed for aplayer that turned out to be in the mafia. The push on cubs was an easy one for mafia to gang up on - he was sdcum that wasn't on their team.
B) You seem to be assuming he is actually a townie that claimed what he did in order to avoid power roles from being killed. Then, all the power roles died. ANd UT left the game. OTU replaced in, posted nothing, left. WHy? Because it was a failed gambit. Hilariously failed.
Now Zu Faul is in, is stalling, balking, and you are makign a case for him to use. Which, to me, stinks of one buddy helping another. Zu Faul can help himself AND you out by TRYING to help, instead of fossing around.
C) Saying "Every townie is a bad lynch, even a vanilla" contrasts sharply with the reasoning behind your vote on the doctor day one. You do not get to play the pious one, not here.
D) I'm willing to assume/suggest that Cuban Smoker was killed because either mafia was scared that you and him were millers together or because you wanted to kill him to partially clear yourself.
E) I'm reading "Put this to bed" as to mean "Tie up a loose end" or "following a lead" or "trying to do any amount of scum hunting" - something that you yourself are resisting a lot, because apparently you've decided that you know what UT is or shold claim or the motivations behind what he said way back when, in day one. SOrry, but I go by the mantra that "Every good townie should be questioning the motives of strange behavior and posting." Even in this post. "I can see reasons why Zu Faul would want to hold off" - What reasons is that? You can see them, I can't. If you think he's a townie, than claiming isn't going to o anything, but he's already soft claimed something more than townie. So what is it? If it's cop, than he has results - innocent or guilty, it can help. If he's a roleblocker, same deal.
F) You saying that it was good that we got the SK yesterday. While it is good that got scum, it was definitely the wrong scum to catch. If he wanted to survive he would have to kill mafia to prevent an automatic mafia win - so the SK would have been on the side of town, at least for the next day or two.

But on the other hand, Mafia could just be smart enough to realize me and Yama are going to go after each other for a quick lynch day 4. I dunno.
Rereading may be in order. Or maybe input from the othoer half of the players.

[Skruffs]

THrawn is voting for Zu Faul.
Now that's interesting.
Are we in lylo? BEcause if so, that means that one of those two is almost surely scum.

[Skruffs]

Vote : Zu Faul

He's stalling because he's been put into a trap, the same reason UT replaced out and OTU replaced out.

[Skruffs]

Vote : thrawn1020

Andrews was lynched day one. He couldn't have been roleblocked night one.
And we haven't gotten to night three, yet.
Good lord.

[Skruffs]

...what???
how did zu set up thrawn's horrible a ccident of a claim?

[Skruffs]

mert, shanba, hope you realize you are defending thrawn.

[Skruffs]

D: I don't. No other power roles need to be revealed.

[Skruffs]

Well, if you want to discuss claims,t hat's fine, I'm just wary that scum are balking for a way to get a townie lynched instead. There si no way that Thrawn, at town, could have butchered a claim so badly.

[Skruffs]

SKruffs is next for what? Claiming?
Townie. I claimed flavor 2 months ago.

[Skruffs]

thrawn today, pretty sure shanba will be a good one tommorrow, and I would look really hard at mert or zu faul the last day. Based wholly on their reluctance to lynch the eequivalenet of claimed scum. Pushing for Zu Faul right now strikes me as wrong. (And I've been pushing for him for two days..)

[Skruffs]

You know, you are kind of proving my point about why you may be a good lynch tommorrow. You are conceding that thrawn is very likely scum, but you are reluctant to lynch, trying to push it back onto Zu Faul instead.

What's curious is that you didn't talk about the people who haven't voted thrawn yet. If you think he's scum, isn't it very likely his buddies are avoiding hammering him because they know how close to success they are?

[Skruffs]

Thrawn hasn't attempted to corect or rectify his earlier statement. Lynchlynchlynch. HE gave up.

[Skruffs]

The only information I Was interested in was Zu Faul claiming and clearing up the mess about being a bad lynch. He's done that, and thrawn has claimed. I'd be surprised to see anything of any relevance from remaining claims, but, if you guys want to stall out and give scum a longer time to divert attention away from Thrawn, that's fine by me, I guess.

[Skruffs]

*sniff*
v.v
I guess this is my last day in the game, then.
So one of Mert and Zu Faul is scum. Scum can't allow Mert to get more investigations, unless they think they can get him mislynched in the morning.
Zu, are you voting him, and leaving your vote on, at lylo, because of a vacation?
k.
thrawn, zu faul, then shanba. *nod*

[Skruffs]

Yama - are you ever going to cede that Zu might be scum? Good grief.
Mert, Thrawn, Skruffs scum group? Why would I be actively bussing thrawn after going after zu faul the entire game, EVER after mert claims a guilty on him?!
You are thinking of a Mert, Skruffs, Zu Faul alliance. Which is also untrue. I do know I'm a townie, and I know that thrawn's wagon is hella slow, because scum don't want to lose one of their own.

[Skruffs]

Yay! REASON! It warms my cockles.

[Skruffs]

Let's play a game called "Simenon says"
Just do everything I do, and Simenon will tell us if we win.

Unvote

Vote : Thrawn

THrawn isn't going to respond to prods because he knows he's screwed.

[Skruffs]

Thrawn, understandable, but you yourself aren't cleared yet as town, and you could be pushing for a mislynch on town in order for a scum win. Thrawn messed up a claim all on his own, and so has to be scum. Scum know if you really are a cop or one of them, and we'll find out in the morning, most likely, which of that is true. They know they are losign thrawn today, and more likely than not, zu faul tommorrow, so they have to stop you from gettign another investigation, tonight. It's the only way the last scum has any chance.

[Skruffs]

We're lynching the claimed roleblocker who targetted dead people and has already targetted someone tonight even though it hasn't happened yet. So there could be a mafia-roleblocker but then he would still have known who the mafia targetted.

[Skruffs]

I'd be surprised if Mert is alive tomorrow. IF he's alive, I'll be surprised if I am, since the mafia know I've been inspected. I really have nothing to say about the cop claim. The cop claim didn't come up unntil after thrawn screwed up his roleblocker claim, so, i have reservations about believing in it wholly.

Thrawn, again, screwed up and has not posted since. I'm extremeley confident that he is scum. I'm 50/50 on mert/zu faul. I'm willing to believe that mert is telling the truth but i do not want to risk the possible gambit he's doing.

thrawn1020 - scum

Mert - cop

Zu_Faul - cop claimed guilty on

Skruffs - cop claimed innocent on

Yamahako

<- possible night inspection target

Shanba

<- possible night inspection target

spectrumvoid

<- possible night inspection target

With a possible two cleared townies tommorow (Scum know I'm not a godfather) AND a cop, 3-2, they HAVE to kill one of me or Mert. THat way Yama, Shanba, and Spectrumvoid aare none of them cleared (whoever the last one is). If they kill Mert, Zu Fual is a goner because then the rest of us know the cop was tellign the truth. If they kill me, (more likely), Mert's role is still in doubt, because he could have just said I was cleared, knowing that I was already.
If mert is scum, and Zu faul isn't, he can't afford to kill zu faul, because then he'd be exposed as a fraud tommorrow.
If mert is a mafia, fake claiming cop, he has to kill me tonight and then claim another inspection tommorrow on someone else (probably clearing them), and hopefully use that to help lynch or mislynch zu faul.. if zu faul is really a townie, than scum wins, so town has to be careful about that. If zu faul is scum and mert is bussing him (clever play) then mert will Still have to clear someone the last day and hope that nobody's suspicious why he's still alive.
The trickiest route for scum but probably the best is to leave MErt alive and hope they can get him mislynched or something, if he's actually a cop.

So that's my rambling about that. Again, I'm most suspicious of SHanba.

[Skruffs]

YAma, I like how you put either/or.. Either thrawn is scum OR mert is a cop...
you don't think it's both?

[Skruffs]

Some? One? Please? Vote?

[Skruffs]

Something to consider : Zufaul/Mert and Thrawn are 2 of hte 3 scum. That means only one of Shanba, SV, and Yama are the other scum. (And I think those will be hte final three). I've kinda perused to find out what other players were saying... keeping in mind that more likely than not, shanba, SV, and Yama can not be scum together. Anyways here is some quotes from Zu faul, Thrawn, and various other people who are not in teh game and such not. I encourage everyone to find their own list of quotes and post them for public digestion.

With Ubertimmy prodded, there's no point in bandwagoning him until he or his replacement is here. Skruffs, I can't decide whether or not I should be voting you at the moment. You have some posts that are very logical-looking, and some that...well, to put it lightly, are both hard to follow, and useless. There's no point in discussing the "ideal" scum here, because that's only in theory, and you confuse the issue by making the information public.

I was mostly making a half-assed attempt at a joke at Jack's expense, without a desire to follow through. However much it makes the first few pages interesting, it was really annoying! And just to be clear, I'm not claiming information regarding the existence of post restrictions in the game by my vote.

I'm going to throw out an FOS to AndrewS for the little explanation on why a random vote restriction would ruin an endgame. That sort of analysis, as Skruffs' analysis of what stereotypical scum do, is less useful when the information is made public. As an aside, I would argue that scum wouldn't just jump on the bandwagon right away, and if Jack or someone else had a random voting post restriction, he'd probably have moved his vote and have to be convinced to move it back. Regardless, he's claimed not to have a post restriction at this point. That is some information.

Cuban smoker, why are you so interested in pressuring people who aren't here? What's the use? I get it, you can potentially avoid commenting on the discussions here, but as long as the mod knows what is going on and does something about it, we'll have a chance to pressure ubertimmy later.

For the moment, my vote is staying on Skruffs because there isn't a compelling reason to move it elsewhere.

Seriously, if I just wanted to toss someone under, I'd pick anyone other than simenon. Instead of attempting to provoke conversation, and trying to figure out what he thought, I would just let it go and attack anybody else.

Let me be clear, since running my mouth off earlier with wild speculation on my part didn't seem to go over very well. I don't expect that there will be anything to come of this. That's why I feel comfortable pressuring him directly instead of just taking the time to smear him the next time I post. I am voting him because he's voting me, but it's the reason supplied that made it an obvious next step for me.

I agree that we need to examine Yamahako.

Vote: Yamahako

Now that Ubertimmy is being prodded/replaced, there's no point in voting him.

Not unless someone has been holding out on us. I think my explanation sort of fits, but it is working from the theory that there are no surprises lurking behind closed doors regarding any potential roleblocks, doc protects, potential SK's, one-shots... the possibilities are pretty wide open, so I figured I would try to deal with only the ones that seem reasonable. Now if the vig didn't kill...then we really have a mystery.

Mod-directed question: why does it say that there are four votes on yamahako when only skruffs, cubsfan, and spectrumvoid are listed voting for him? Is that correct?

pretty sure yamahako is scum

I'd probably favor Cubsfan.

I'm on the fence with Jack.

Scruffs posts a little too much.

CS got an avatar. That makes me happy.

Yam seems town to me.

In fact- I'm going to go ahead and

Vote:Cubsfan4Ever

and put him at L-3 unless there is any objection.

If I were mafia (and UT was town) I would purposefully avoid NKing him tonight.

Where would that get us?

For the record, in my opinion, Thrawn and UT both flew so under the radar, hardly anyone mentions them, at all, for any reason, town or scum. but I think thrawn has tied himself to UT/Zu faul fairly well.

[Skruffs]

But you are saying that it's either one OR the other.
Why can't it be that thrawn is scum today - by his own admission - AND zu faul is scum tomorrow - by Mert - who is not cleared's - admission?

The way you phrased it is that we have to choose one OR the other. Two separate camps. As far as I am aware, Zu Faul and Thrawn are BOTH guilty, but with a claimed cop or lylo, we have to put scum into the situation where they will kill their threat (mert) and sacrifice zu faul or spare mert, hoping to mis lynch him tomorrow, and night killing me. I doubt I will be around tomorrow, which is why I am voting for what I see completely as scum today.

MOD : PROD THRAWN (or replace him if you can find someone foolish enough to try and recover from that set back)

thank you.

[Skruffs]

Fos : Yamahako

Please pay more attentino tot eh game.
EVeryone has claimed, and I have stated repeatedly.
It is a LOT (read: completely) more likely that Mert scum claimed a guilty on ZU Faul to get the necessary mislynch required to win the game than it is that Thrawn Town misclaimed a role so very horribly.

I have also been voting Thrawn for... how long?
Shanba, Yama, I don't think either of you have voted him, yet.
I mean... seriously, if there are three scum, and thrawn is not one of them, and it's LYLO, and at least one townie is voting Thrawn for weeks, and he's claimed the only role left that has a chance of stopping scum from winning after a mislynch today, and scum won't even look suspicious for hammering him, then DON'T you think scum would have hammered by now for the game win?

If thrawn is not scum, then I congradulate the scum on as a group being so entirely patient with the town, and drawing this out so long.
Thrawn is the ONLY safe play, Zu and Mert can be decided on tommorrow.

[Skruffs]

sorry, zu faul unvoted, then you voted himm.
So me, you, and someone else (I forget) is voting him.

It's interesting how yama is okay with lynching andrews - who he thought was town - but is stalling so hard with thrawn. It's like he sees his house of cards tumbling down...

[Skruffs]

The only way I can see Thrawn as a town RBer is if he targets people during the day, before lynch, but that's not a normal role, and this is a normal game. So uh-uh.

[Skruffs]

What other game were you playing in, as a claimed town role blocker that happened to have both Yamahoko and AndrewS in it?
Because when I checked your profile... I only see you posting in one game, ever, on this site. This one. Which is, you know.. odd.
Strike Two.

And just for the benefit of the doubt:

Yamahako -1- (Ubertimmy)
Jack -1- ( Cubsfan4ever)
Ubertimmy -1- (Skruffs)
AndrewS -4- (Mert, Jack, Abbott, Yamahako)
Mert -1- (AndrewS)
Not voting - (Hemisphere Dancer, Spectrumvoid, Thrawn 1020, )

Why did you choose to block me instead of one of the quicklynchers of the doctor?
I understand that you were moving and that's why you maybe didn't get to send ina night action night 2, but...

[Skruffs]

My apologies, I'm here. I'm glad to see that zu-Faul finally claimed!

Unvote

, not that it explains anything.

My turn.

I am a roleblocker. A rather useless roleblocker so far, as it turns out.

Targets: N1: AndrewS
N2: Yamahako
N3: I failed to send in a choice

I'm sure that isn't going to win me any points, but fwiw, you do have me available for tonight.

This post suggests you knew which game you were in, you refer to three different players that are in this game. And again, I can't find another game with you in it at this time.

[Skruffs]

Thrawn... I clicked on your profile and clicked Find all posts by thrawn1020, and the entire first page was for this game. No other games present or accounted for.
If there is another game, it doesn't show up for me, maybe there is a bug? Can you provide proof of this other game that all three of you played in?

[Skruffs]

mert is currently voting zu faul.

[Skruffs]

1)Zu_Faul <-confirmed cop guilty on
5)Skruffs <- cleared

7)Yamahako
11)Shanba
12)spectrumvoid

Vote : Zu Faul

Feel free to discuss to your heart's content, scum.

[Skruffs]

Unvote

I agree. We might as well act as though me and Zu Faul were dead already, and try to figure out who the scum is. Any smart scum will be playign the same as everyone else, at this time, so I think it would be best if we all go back and see how everyone reacted to Thrawn's claim yesterday, Mart's claim of inspection, etc, and see who's how.
To be honest, I remember my bet being on Shanba as scum... But I have been wrong before.

Zu Faul - want to say who your buddy is now? Bus them and you get to makeone last night kill ^.^

[Skruffs]

I will be gone until monday - however, I will PROXY my vote to the MOD.
MOD - if Shanba enters LYNCH -1 range, I will hammer. THANK YOU!

[Skruffs]

AGGGH
I totally meant for that to be referring to Zu Faul.
Sorry, Shanba.
I'd like to auto hammer Zu Faul if such a thing occurs. Blah. Gah. Grr. Sorry Shanba!

[Skruffs]

Well, I am back with no sort of responses. Hmm.

[Skruffs]

I agree.
I am suspicious of those not eager to discuss.
Make sure to read yesterday a few times - townies - to get a good read on what everyone was trying to do.
I'm pretty suspicious of everyone who was trying to get Zu Faul lynched over Thrawn, now that we know Thrawn is a mafia roleblocker - and thus more important than a goon.

[Skruffs]

SHanba, you are strawmanning me here.
Scum did not want to lose their roleblocker (thrawn) MORE than they would would not want to lose a regular mafia member (Zu Faul) because Zu Faul is just an ordinary goon.
BUT WAIT! you say HOW WOULD SKRUFFS KNOW THAT ZU FAUL IS JUST A GOON AND NOT A GODFATHER? (I'm assuming that's what your fos is on)
Well, we know that Mert was a sane cop, based on his investigations that he claimed to have made. He got an innocnet on me so I am either a townie or a gofather, and he got a GUILTY on zu faul, which means he's a GOON or a miller.
If you think that the mafia had two power roles (Role blocker, maybe cop or doctor?) than it's really unreasonable to think that therewould ALOS be a godfather as well as those two power roles, thus, you STILL have no reason to suspect me.

FOS : SHANBA

[Skruffs]

Shanba should get a cookie for not bussing his cohorts.
Too bad you can't eat cookies when you are swinging from a noose.

[Skruffs]

Do you think Zu Faul isn't a goon?
Go on - keep defending him.

[Skruffs]

Skruffs. How is that a strawman? It wasn't referring to an argument, but a statement. It cannot be a strawman: a strawman is the act of substituting someone's argument with a weaker one, and then knocking the weaker one down.

I fairly agree with that rendition of it. Basically someone makes a point you don't want to deal with - or you think is too strong, so you find something about that point that you can bring to light which effectively draws attention from the main point itself in an attempt to distract town. OR, by proving that smaller point, the original point is ignored by town as the person becomes more suspicious.

Let's look at my post and how you responded to it.

I agree.
I am suspicious of those not eager to discuss.
Make sure to read yesterday a few times - townies - to get a good read on what everyone was trying to do.
I'm pretty suspicious of everyone who was trying to get Zu Faul lynched over Thrawn, now that we know Thrawn is a mafia roleblocker - and thus more important than a goon.

Wait, what? Zu Faul is a goon?

FoS Skruffs

My point was that town should read any attempts to divert town from the goof-up scum claim scum - which could be salvaged with enough work - thrawn, to the cop claim or to the claimed scum. I'll extend this point to give you another chance to respond to it. Scum had a chance with getting zu faul lynched instead of thrawn because if we had lynched zu faul we don't go to the next day with a known scum just waiting to be hanged. So taking that risk on thrawn worked to town's advantage immensely - and even though the cop was killed, his death condemned a second scum.

Your response was that I somehow knew that zu faul was a goon, and that this was a freudian slip. You didn't acknowledge any other part of my post.
so... yeah.

[Skruffs]

Things to do before Zu Faul is lynched :
A) Skim back and take note of everyone's opinions on UT's horrendous claim day one and who defended THAT.
B) Take note of who defended UT yesterday.
C) Take note of who defended Thrawn yesterday.
D) Take note of who's pushing for existence of Godfather.
E) Take note of who was early on AndrewS, Cubs wagon but not on Thrawns.
F) Take note of who attempted to discredit cop claim yesterday.
G) Look at who buddied up to townies shortly before those townies were nightkilled.

If all of those things are done, I'm sure someone will show up on at least half of them, and that person will be scum.
If we don't do that, I'm going to suggest town kills shanba tomorrow because scum would be stupid to hope they can get a godfather lynch on me when it would raise their own chances of being lynched to 50%.

[Skruffs]

I don't think for sure that you *are* scum, Shanba. I *know* that Zu Faul is, though. I'd like to figure out who the last one is by the end of the day here, and I think anything said today will have to be very carefully worded - I'm hoping the slip ups already happened some time in the past. People who pushed for UT not to explain his role after pretty much every other role died.
I am honestly torn between the two of you - SV, if she is scum, is playing under the radar (As usual).

[Skruffs]

err?
There's three players that will be around tommorrow - you, Yama, and SV. You and YAMA are tied for scumminess, and if one of you are scum, you'll probably be vying for SV's vote.

Yama knows I have been on his case the Entire Game. I didn't like how he buddied up to Cuban Smoker - while accusing me of defending Cubs. Chubs turned out to be the SK, Cuban smoker turned out to be a regular townie - who was night killed. So I'm suspicious that maybe Yama nk'd Cuban smoker to try and help himself look more townie. That he pointed to dead town to try and clear himself (faiarly sure he did it) would only strengthen that argument. As it is, it's just speculation though and not helpful. HE was also gung ho about voting cubs (non-mafia scum) and not so much about lynching thrawn (mafia scum). I'll have to reread to see how he reacted to zu faul being caught too.

Quick skim through of Thrawn's posts:
Targets me (twice) day one, jaack, andrews, cubansmoker, hemisphere.
Gets into mock fight with simenon. (Not really a fight)
Jokingly replies to Abbott (who replaced simenon) with magic card? Odd.

day two, more general fussing over almost entirely all now-dead players. He votes UT, then moves it to Yama - but asks for others to build a case for him.

Abbott said he didn't caare if UT was town, he was useless - this was pretty much the first mention of UT he's made in his part in the game. HE ignored thrawn and UT the entire first day, focussing solely on dead players and me adn SV. Just like thrawn did with him. UT/OTU/Zu Faul were similar, of course.

Right after sayign he didn't care if he's town, and wants him lynched, he adds on that he thinks he's scum. But.. no reason why. BAcktracking? WHat is that? THen he drops the vote and puts it on thrawn, followed by guidance about how he almost screwed up 'as town'.


zu faul had no problem bussing thrawn but only reacted to shanba and mert, otherwise. Not yama. *grr*

more later. COMMENTS?

[Skruffs]

good post - thanks.
SV is way under the radar - I need to look for ties to her, too.

[Skruffs]

VOTE COUNT PLEASE

[Skruffs]

Good post SHanba, thanks.
I like posts with more than one sentence in them - paragraphs rock.

After Mert clailmed i had no intentions of lynchign him - however, i did say that we should let the mafi kill him before we go after his claimed scum. it was lylo - the only way he could prove himself was by dying, whereas thrawn essenetially claimed scum.

SAme thing goes with me - if you guys are suspicious that i am a godfather, waiwt until tommorrow. I should, if scum are smart, be dead. They didni't take any risks last night by killing me and leaving mert - but perhaps they would have if they thought they could force a mislynch out of it.

[Skruffs]

shanba got name-pwned again.
SV - in my own mini I had a role blocker and a goon - and they won. No cops though.
I think it's kind of fair to assume that in a game with a cop there is probably a godfather, and with a doc, switcher, vig, cop, and sk to compete with, half of the town being a power role of one sort or another helps me think that mafia may have a godfather that is either cop immune or kill immune.

I'm really looking forward to Yamahako's person by person response.

Zu Faul - how does that noose feel - is it comfy?

[Skruffs]

That makes an incredible amount of sense.
Does anyone else think that maybe Mert was insane?

[Skruffs]

Zu Faul.

[Skruffs]

Just curious if anyone other than you has anything to say about it.

[Skruffs]

K.
Thank you for your VERY incriminating reply, Yamahoko.
IF SV is the scum, she's got her job made very easy for her.

Thrawn was being heavily wagoned yesterday for screwing up his roleblocker claim.
Mert came out of left field with his cop claim, when THrawn was already about to be lynched - without a guilty on him. I pushed pretty hard for that.
After Mert came out with his claim,t hat I Was clear and Zu Faul was scum, it would have been very easy for scum to get a townie to mislynch Zu Faul and win the game.
If I was actually scum, I could have done tht. But I didn't want to, because I had no clue if Mert was an actual cop or not and if he was trying to get a mislynch on Zu Faul for that exact reason.
So I pushed for us to lynch teh definite scum - by botched, irreparable role claim, not something that could have been faked - and to let scum kill me or him that night and see in the morning. If I had been killed, he would have been sane at least but then scum would have ANOTHER investigation on their hands And have to basically convince the town that Mert was fake claiming. Mert was killed instead which revealed that he was a cop.

I think by look at my actions yesterday where I did *not* (as scum) try to leech onto an insane cop's claim and get a mislynch for the game and instead (As scum) tried to bus my own buddy- a role blocker - making the game much harder for scum to win by forcing them to confirm mert's claim by killing him that night - that you will see I am much much MUCH more likely to be town over Zu Faul.
Unless you think me trying to get Ubertimmy to confirm the partial claim he made day one was all just a distancing ploy.

Fos : Yamahako

vote : Zu Faul

Sorry Zu Faul. Thank you though.

[Skruffs]

Again, if Zu Faul is a townie, and I *Was* scum, then me, thrawn, and the third mafia could have hopped onto Mert quickly behind Zu Faul and gotten Mert lynched. Barring that, we could have wagoned Zu Faul with mert. either mislynch would have been easy yesterday - and I pushed against that to bus "my scumbuddy" thrawn. To act town so I could get a mislynch the next day? I think not.
Sorry.

I'm already voting Zu Faul, or else I would revote him. I'll be dead in the morrow - good luck which ever two of SV, Shanba, and Yama (in that order, in my opinion) are town.
Make sure to reread, and NO random votes! The answers should be clear.

[Skruffs]

2)AndrewS-Bleach, Doctor (Lynched Day 1)
3)Hemispher dancer-Trigun, Vigilante(Killed from unknown causes n1)
6)Jack-Naruto, Town Replacer (Obliterated n1)
10)Cubsfan4ever-Deathnote, Serial Killer (Lynched Day 2)
9)cuban smoker -YuYu Hakusho, Vanilla Townie (Found in a Crater Night 2)
4)thrawn1020- SpeedRacer, Mafia Roleblocker (lynched Day 3)
8)Mert -Cowboy Bebop, Cop (took OUT night 3)


From Wikipedia -
Death note - our SK - "Japanese manga series originally written by Tsugumi Ohba"
SpeedRacer - the title of an English adaptation of the Japanese anime Mach Go Go Go

"fooly-cooly" -(the name of the first episode) is a six episode Japanese OVA series, created and directed by Kazuya Tsurumaki "FLCL"

"Samurai Champloo, vanilla townie" - "s a shōnen anime series consisting of twenty-six episodes. It was directed by Shinichiro Watanabe of Cowboy Bebop fame and produced by manglobe."

"DBZ, townie "is the title of the anime adaptation of the second portion of the Dragon Ball manga written, drawn and created by Akira Toriyama, making it the sequel to the original anime series. It was first released in Japan and Hong Kong, and later elsewhere in the world including the United States."

"Yu-Gi-Oh," - is a popular game, Japanese anime, and manga franchise created by Kazuki Takahashi that mainly involves the card game called Duel Monsters (originally known as Magic & Wizards), wherein each player uses cards in order to defeat one another.


I was hoping someone's roleclaim would turn out to be an american claim, for some kind of pattern. I know IH said that there was no way to determine scum through flavor, byut thrawn didn't claim flavor before he died, so I Was thinking maybe he was afraid to.
Oh well.

BTW - SV is not off the hook. I'm curious why she wants to wait until I"m dead before she starts talking. You aren't *Still* afraid of me I hope?

[Skruffs]

That's cool.

Unvote

[Skruffs]

PRetty sure it's part of a botched quote.

[Skruffs]

No, insane gets flipped results: scum on town and town on scum. So an insane Mert would necessarily implicate Skruffs. A random cop would get random results, but that's leaning perilously on the edge of bastard modding.

And, as scum, why wouldn't I have taken advantage of Mert's insanity to get a mislynch *and a win* yesterday?

I'm not scum. I pushed for thrawn instead. If I was scum and knew the cop was insane I would not have killed him, but rather, would have killed a player that was not inspected.
Think about it, now.

[Skruffs]

Yama, I've been at odds with you through most of the game - as you probably are aware. Most of my real suspicion of you - and everyone - is from the responses to Mert's and Zu Faul's claims yesterday. That is a gold mine.

A shanba/SV/Yamahako endgame. This will be awesome to watch.

[Skruffs]

I wish town the best of luck for tomorrow!
Here is the game, right before Thrawn mis-claimed.
I would suggest everyone read up and look at each other with all their logical abilities.

[Skruffs]

I'm ready. SV?

[Skruffs]

MUAHAHA TOWN LOSES!

[Skruffs]

Shanba?
Who are you scum with?

[Skruffs]

Gah.
This is completely unexpected.
And.. awkward.

[Skruffs]

???
I would never kill SV, but that's metagaming.
If Yama thought I was more likely to kill you, and he was scum, wouldn't he try to kill you?
I really wasn't expecting to be here, this may be my first three person endgame.
shanba, hopefully we'll have it done in two days or less. how long are you gone for?
If you guys vote, vote each other. especially if you are townie. I'm not completely cleared, btu i'm a lot more cleared than either of you.
Was anyone still alive voting mert with zu faul?

[Skruffs]

Scum gambited hard in keeping me alive. I do give whoever killed SV kudos for doing the unexpected. But they've effectively lowered their chances of winning from 66% to 50% in doing so.
Both of you seem to be suspicious that I'm a godfather. But one of you is mimicking the other. There's also a very high (100%) chance that I really am a townie. Usually someone pushing that a townie might be a godfather is scum. That's a theorem to think of.
It's time to reread.

Mod

- What's going to happen with Shanba?

[Skruffs]

Shanba's post seem to have scummy mistakes in them, but Yama's is just so outright scummy. Let's *all* reread.

I can *promise* that I am town, to whatever extent you want me to. And I don't make promises very often.

[Skruffs]

Velly nice.
(doesn't hammer)

[Skruffs]

oh good lord
*shakes his head*
Would it be easier if I just hammered?

[Skruffs]

FUdge.
Yama, go ahead and post something before I get restless.

[Skruffs]

k, time for my reread and the hammer.
cross your fingers.

[Skruffs]

I have made a decision.

[Skruffs]

MOD

I will probably be voting Shanba - do you have a replacement for him?

[Skruffs]

Yeah it has been.

Bites his tongue

I reread the entire game, and it's very hard to find a link between scum that doesn't exist between Both Players. Simenon and THrawn had a bizarre conversation with each other day one, which initially pushed me towards voting for Shanba, but YAma 'didn't exist' to thrawn at all. As in, Day two, before cubs got lynched, yama was at three votes - enough for an easy hop on by scum - and None of the scum hopped on. UT voted him all day day one, but ignored him day two.

That combined with the whole UT's a townie thing and everything else...
I've decided to stake my self in

Vote : Yamahako

If I am wrong, at least I got your name right. Maybe shanba killed off Spectrumvoid because he knew I would be more likely to vote you than she would be - although SV was also anti Yama as well. You set upan attack on SV yesterday, but she died without really responding, and then you acted surprised that she was dead, which would also be considered a gambit. You never really put up a case against Shanba.

I don't know. I could be wrong, but that's what I am going to go with.
Shanba/Abbott/Simenon, if you are the scum, congradulations.

[Skruffs]

I saw your post against shanba more just a defense of yourself...

[Skruffs]

Well, that sucks.

[Skruffs]

Yama, you are such a tricky bastard. <3
Good game, and well done.

[Skruffs]

train wreck of a claim
you should have immediately bussed both of them... shanba didn't, you could have easily gotten shanba taken down the final day
so why did you kill SV last night?

[Skruffs]

ahh, that probably made things more confusing D:

[Skruffs]

I read back through the game (Actually I enjoyed the read through, it was a lot of fun. Nostalgic, even.) And tried to tally up points. Thrawn was a very good scum. One of hte bigger points in the game was UberTimmy's "Yamahako is scum" post.
Knowing that he was scum and that it was the only opinion he had on anyone, I had to debate that. Simenon adn Thrawn 'communicated' day one which was a good point against Shanba. Both shanba and yama's opinons on mert, zu faul, and thrawn day three were important. But in the end there was a wagon on yamahako day two - before cubs got lynched - that none of the scum was on, when they had both been on other wagons previously, or somethinglike that.

Anyways, it doesn't matter, I guess, because town won.
Good job Mert on staying under the radar with the doc dead. I don't remember you defending me at all day two, when presumably you would have thought I Was town or godfather...