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[Skruffs]

Zu Faul.

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I just noticed the large space between zu faul and the rest of us.

On the town side, we have:
doc, vig, replacer, townie, some kind of cop.

On the other sides:
mafia RBer, SK, some kind of mafia (zu faul)

Whether mert was sane or not can be discussed tomorrow after tonight's night kill.

[Shanba]

Zu Faul.

Mert being insane would make you scum. Plus, at one point, we had both you and me voting for zu faul: if either of us are town, then the scum would have quicklynched zu.

So no, what he said doesn't make any sense.

[Shanba]

Unless, that is, you think Skruffs-Shanba is the scumgroup.

[Skruffs]

Just curious if anyone other than you has anything to say about it.

[Yamahako]

There's no confirmation on Mert's sanity - however it seem's very unlikely given the situation we are in. However since both of Mert's targets are alive - we can't know for certain. I promise I have more coming - I've just been abnormally busy at work.

If Mert was insane, we are pretty much screwed no matter how we look at it. Voting off ZF is the only safe way to check (given that the Cop is more likely sane than not). Please wait on that though... I do have some more to say and I don't want to get nightkilled before I've posted it all!

[Yamahako]

I just noticed the large space between zu faul and the rest of us.

On the town side, we have:
doc, vig, replacer, townie, some kind of cop.

On the other sides:
mafia RBer, SK, some kind of mafia (zu faul)

Whether mert was sane or not can be discussed tomorrow after tonight's night kill.

FOS SV

real quick - If Mert was Insane and we vote off ZF - the game ENDS. We won't have a chance to discuss Mert's sanity...

[Skruffs]

K.
Thank you for your VERY incriminating reply, Yamahoko.
IF SV is the scum, she's got her job made very easy for her.

Thrawn was being heavily wagoned yesterday for screwing up his roleblocker claim.
Mert came out of left field with his cop claim, when THrawn was already about to be lynched - without a guilty on him. I pushed pretty hard for that.
After Mert came out with his claim,t hat I Was clear and Zu Faul was scum, it would have been very easy for scum to get a townie to mislynch Zu Faul and win the game.
If I was actually scum, I could have done tht. But I didn't want to, because I had no clue if Mert was an actual cop or not and if he was trying to get a mislynch on Zu Faul for that exact reason.
So I pushed for us to lynch teh definite scum - by botched, irreparable role claim, not something that could have been faked - and to let scum kill me or him that night and see in the morning. If I had been killed, he would have been sane at least but then scum would have ANOTHER investigation on their hands And have to basically convince the town that Mert was fake claiming. Mert was killed instead which revealed that he was a cop.

I think by look at my actions yesterday where I did *not* (as scum) try to leech onto an insane cop's claim and get a mislynch for the game and instead (As scum) tried to bus my own buddy- a role blocker - making the game much harder for scum to win by forcing them to confirm mert's claim by killing him that night - that you will see I am much much MUCH more likely to be town over Zu Faul.
Unless you think me trying to get Ubertimmy to confirm the partial claim he made day one was all just a distancing ploy.

Fos : Yamahako

vote : Zu Faul

Sorry Zu Faul. Thank you though.

[zu_Faul]

I just noticed the large space between zu faul and the rest of us.

On the town side, we have:
doc, vig, replacer, townie, some kind of cop.

On the other sides:
mafia RBer, SK, some kind of mafia (zu faul)

Whether mert was sane or not can be discussed tomorrow after tonight's night kill.

I like your logic but not your conclusion - if I am lynched you won't be able to check Mert's sanity tomorrow, because scum would have won.

[Skruffs]

Again, if Zu Faul is a townie, and I *Was* scum, then me, thrawn, and the third mafia could have hopped onto Mert quickly behind Zu Faul and gotten Mert lynched. Barring that, we could have wagoned Zu Faul with mert. either mislynch would have been easy yesterday - and I pushed against that to bus "my scumbuddy" thrawn. To act town so I could get a mislynch the next day? I think not.
Sorry.

I'm already voting Zu Faul, or else I would revote him. I'll be dead in the morrow - good luck which ever two of SV, Shanba, and Yama (in that order, in my opinion) are town.
Make sure to reread, and NO random votes! The answers should be clear.

[IH]

Sorry to interupt, but flavor has been posted on page 29. = )

VOTECOUNT SHOULD STAND AS SUCH

Zufaul -2- (Shanba, Skruffs)

[Skruffs]

2)AndrewS-Bleach, Doctor (Lynched Day 1)
3)Hemispher dancer-Trigun, Vigilante(Killed from unknown causes n1)
6)Jack-Naruto, Town Replacer (Obliterated n1)
10)Cubsfan4ever-Deathnote, Serial Killer (Lynched Day 2)
9)cuban smoker -YuYu Hakusho, Vanilla Townie (Found in a Crater Night 2)
4)thrawn1020- SpeedRacer, Mafia Roleblocker (lynched Day 3)
8)Mert -Cowboy Bebop, Cop (took OUT night 3)


From Wikipedia -
Death note - our SK - "Japanese manga series originally written by Tsugumi Ohba"
SpeedRacer - the title of an English adaptation of the Japanese anime Mach Go Go Go

"fooly-cooly" -(the name of the first episode) is a six episode Japanese OVA series, created and directed by Kazuya Tsurumaki "FLCL"

"Samurai Champloo, vanilla townie" - "s a shōnen anime series consisting of twenty-six episodes. It was directed by Shinichiro Watanabe of Cowboy Bebop fame and produced by manglobe."

"DBZ, townie "is the title of the anime adaptation of the second portion of the Dragon Ball manga written, drawn and created by Akira Toriyama, making it the sequel to the original anime series. It was first released in Japan and Hong Kong, and later elsewhere in the world including the United States."

"Yu-Gi-Oh," - is a popular game, Japanese anime, and manga franchise created by Kazuki Takahashi that mainly involves the card game called Duel Monsters (originally known as Magic & Wizards), wherein each player uses cards in order to defeat one another.


I was hoping someone's roleclaim would turn out to be an american claim, for some kind of pattern. I know IH said that there was no way to determine scum through flavor, byut thrawn didn't claim flavor before he died, so I Was thinking maybe he was afraid to.
Oh well.

BTW - SV is not off the hook. I'm curious why she wants to wait until I"m dead before she starts talking. You aren't *Still* afraid of me I hope?

[Yamahako]

K.
Thank you for your VERY incriminating reply, Yamahoko.

Yamahako

[/quote="Skruffs"]

Fos : Yamahako

(Yamahako: Thanks! its correct here)

vote : Zu Faul

Sorry Zu Faul. Thank you though.[/quote]

I don't follow - how does me saying that it would be very unlikely for Mert to be insane incriminate me based on your logic? I'm not saying that anything you are saying is wrong, I'm just wondering how discussing possibility and potential is inherently scummy. Zu_Faul is, in my mind, 95% scum. I'm never 100% sure of anything (not really anyway).

I don't think anyone is questioning you today Skruffs, I just want everyone to weigh in today because after we lynch ZF - one of us is going to die tonight - and while you're the most likely candidate - who knows if Mafia is gonna try and WIFOM the whole thing by leaving you alive :-/

I've still got stuff to say about SV before the day ends - please give me 48 hours - I apologize that its till taking me so long

[Skruffs]

That's cool.

Unvote

[zu_Faul]

Damn, I was so going to vote myself now. But isn't that a real vote there in Yamahako's post?

[Skruffs]

PRetty sure it's part of a botched quote.

[spectrumvoid]

*yawn*

[spectrumvoid]

A paranoid cop gets all guilty, and a naive gets all innocent. I thought an insane cop was someone who gets random results? So Mert could be insane, and zu faul could still be scum.

[zu_Faul]

So what?

[Shanba]

No, insane gets flipped results: scum on town and town on scum. So an insane Mert would necessarily implicate Skruffs. A random cop would get random results, but that's leaning perilously on the edge of bastard modding.

[IH]

I will not count that vote from Yamahako, as it was an accident and such.

Aren't you glad I actually read the thread?

[zu_Faul]

How do you know it was an accident?

[Skruffs]

No, insane gets flipped results: scum on town and town on scum. So an insane Mert would necessarily implicate Skruffs. A random cop would get random results, but that's leaning perilously on the edge of bastard modding.

And, as scum, why wouldn't I have taken advantage of Mert's insanity to get a mislynch *and a win* yesterday?

I'm not scum. I pushed for thrawn instead. If I was scum and knew the cop was insane I would not have killed him, but rather, would have killed a player that was not inspected.
Think about it, now.

[Yamahako]

Hi uber, HD, Skruffs, Mert, jack, simenon!

The Skruffs-void team was awesome! Too bad I'm not scum this game

vote: ubertimmy For disappearing in my game

Not too incriminating, but its important to note right off the bat a vote for UT/ZF

Happy Sappy day! vote: no ly... just kidding. For today, my posts will be less accusatory.

Skruffs: I'm not sure whether I buy your explanation. First off, why didn't you state that your post was a random vote? Second, why did you only explain yourself after someone called you up on it?

This is her first post that made any kind of position regarding the game.

Hm... I buy that explanation.

Yo Yamahako: why the vote on cubsfan?

...nevermind...

I'm of the opinion that Jack isn't scum. This is mainly because I can't imagine scum doing what he has done. (Yes, I'm aware that this is wifomish.) Jack seems more like a weird player instead, but not necessarily scum.

Hm... I'm not getting both cases here.

Cubansmoker seems like he's rushing for a lynch, but it's pretty obvious he wasn't being serious. Same as Skruff accusing HD. Unlike Mert, I don't see anything 'Skruffs insistence at being set up'. The only thing Skruffs said seriously was that he was going to pay more attention to cuban, which is normal.

Some more non-committal stuff here. It has the semblance of substance, but its rather thin.

Shucks... just realised I've probably been mixing up cubansmoker and cubsfan, because in my notes file I used cub for both. I need to go get a read.

Innocuous, but basically invalidates a lot of opinion coming from her.

I'm more-or-less apathetic about the lynch for today.

I don't want Jack to be lynched, because he's been active and he can be read.

I also don't want mert to be lynched, mainly because Mert wasn't nitpicking, and because I don't think he's scummy for bringing up the PR thing. This close to deadline, I don't think scum would have brought that up since it's unlikely it'll lead to a lynch considering we've been over that.

My list currently has Andrew at the top. I'm not really happy with this, because I've seen scum-tells, but not a strong case for being lynched, but I have nothing else to go on.

vote: Andrew

Here, she admits her apathy, then votes for the leading lynch right now. And when it appears that Andrew will indeed be lynched...

unvote

I forgot something important that happened early game. For the record, I think AndrewS is not scum.

I'll get back to this in a moment.

Now that Andrew's role is confirmed, I realise that my assumption of his role name was wrong. I do not wish to clarify further, and no, I'm not doing a soft-claim or breadcrumb or anything else in this post.

I skimmed through. Why are we speculating whether the doc killed someone? I'm assuming either mafia/sk killed the vig/replacer, mafia/sk killed the vig, the vig killed the replacer. We shouldn't rule out the possibility of an sk.

Oh.. your distancing tactic wasn't good enough - and now you are distancing yourself from your distancing tactic?

I'll claim first. Reason is obvious.

I'm FLCL (Fooly Cooly).

AndrewS wrote:
Jack must be FLCL - he makes about as much sense as it does, anyway.


That's why my mysterious AndrewS = town speculation was coming from.

She doesn’tt wish to clarify further, but her next post is a claim, and a clarification - before consensus on a mass claim - before a list has been completed - and completely without any pressure? I think she looks a bit too eager.

revote: Yama

trying to solidify herrself with the popular lynch - and why a "revote" she hadn't voted me yet?

SV post 25,26,27 (of her posts): Putting up a minor suspicion of Thrawn over a very small detail. Perhaps it is a language barrier thing - perhaps it is a distancing tactic. She backs away from it pretty quickly.

How about this?

vote: replace UT

I am against the idea of killing UT, and I'd rather we get a replacement for him.

Defense of UT/ZF. Her next 4 posts surround this topic.

Ok. I just wanted to know what were your reasons, since some other people also feel that he's[YAMAHAKO] scummy (including me, less so with his response but not cleared), with various reasons.

Joining in with the popular wagon, but keeping her self pretty distant. Here she's been asking people why they are voting for me - as if trying to make sure its still ok to go after this townie.

Also - in this bunch of posts SV seems to be placating, or looking up to Skruffs in a minor way posts like:

Skruffs: so why do you think yama is scum?

and

(As a purely out-of-point side note, I really wish Skruffs and I would stop being in the same games... considering I still can't read him )

Seem to me like someone who wants to make friends with a townie.

41: Yamahako: is your case for cubsfan based purely on he's low activity? In that case, there're more people guilty of that.

42: I feel pretty safe doing a unvote, vote: cubs If he's not going to get himself replaced: he's scummy for 1) Adding nothing to the game. 2) lurking in plain sight.

39 hours apart. Why the major change? Was I an unpopular lynch now?

I'm thinking cubs is scummy, not because of the push on him, but because I think that his actions are scummy. Also, that latest post of his stinks of scumminess.

I will be re-evaluating my stand on yama, depending on alignment of cubs if we lynch him.

As a townie myself - this seems to me like double dipping.

I've seen many vanilla townies do that. They have an exaggerated opinion of their own importance. Also, I skimmed through UT's posts and didn't pick up a breadcrumb.

Defense of UT/ZF - which quickly turns against ZF as people seem suspicious of her fear of claiming.

I agree that the claim is pure scum.

I do not agree that we need more claims today. We can always push on for more claims tomorrow if necessary.

vote: thrawn

Very quick to try and bus your buddy - and trying to end discussion that ended up proving very fruitful! (imagine if we had gone to night and Mert hadn't claimed - ZF wouldn't be CONFIRMED scum). You quickly change your tune as well since it appears to be the popular choice to continue claiming.

AS of today, I think she is using pretty crap reasons to try and implicate me. But they are very non-committal.

All in all, SV's play has been under the radar, non-committal, placation in general. It very much appears to be someone who is trying not to be noticed. This was the same basic plan as Thrawn. If it weren't for that car wreck of a claim, would anyone be suspicious of Thrawn? Its a very "scum" strategy. There are few posts of true substance, and very few that introduce new ideas or apply any true objective reasoning.

I'm not going to bother to do all the work on a Skruffs case seeing as how 1.) he's pretty much cleared, and 2.) he probably won't live till tomorrow, unless people really want me to.

For those of your who have me "at the top of their list" I'd like to know why - but it can wait for tomorrow if you want (and I survive the night) - however I find that a bit suspicious since all town members should really want to chime in today just in case. While there isn't much of a strong motivation to defend yourself today - it would be nice to hear responses on the points I've made.

ZF is definitely the play though.

[Yamahako]

How do you know it was an accident?

It was an accident. trying to end the day before I weigh in on SV?