Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

[TiphaineDeath]

Vote 2

I can't actually type your name, too small X_X.

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Wait, you wanted me to read on the first day? Bah.

I think

vote Nacho

is better really.

Fakeclaiming miller is a moronic and dangerous gambit that I have never actually seen a scum use, and that's in like 20+ games.

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Huh, interesting.

unvote

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not feelin' it, I'll get to back to you with a vote when I am .

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My thought process here is pretty simple guys, I voted nacho because he felt opportunistic springing on something I'd never seen happen before, but have seen scum try to get a lynch out of. He proved me wrong, so I unvoted. Now I am going to revote because of the wifom shitstorm that sven has created.

vote sven

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27 pages...
1 day...
Everyone hates me...
Don't you people have lives?
I'm sorry but I really don't have time to read all this tonight, I'll figure it out tomorrow.

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Ok, I'm back, I am going to explain this to you all one more time and if you can't figure out the bloody obviousness of it all I'm going to give up because you're all a bunch of bloody dumbfucks.

Fact the first: I have never been in a game where scum fake claim miller early. After an investigation, sure, but I have never seen the gambit actually happen.
Fact the second: Nacho voting sven for his miller claim felt horribly opportunistic because of fact one.
Fact the third: When Nacho presented me evidence that this kind of thing does in fact occur, occurred in a game he was in, and is not a myth perpetuated to gain mislynches I FOUND THIS "INTERESTING" AND REMOVED MY VOTE.
Fact the fourth: The way sven is playing out this miller claim is not town. His multiple if I was scum if I was town posts really ping the scumdar for me, thus I voted him. I completely disagree with the stated fact that any miller claim creates wifom, that's bullshit.
Fact the fifth: This game moved so fast that when I got back from rehearsal last night I saw much more than I expected, some votes on me, and was already under an awful lot of outside the game pressure. This is not an excuse for that terrible post, merely an explanation.

Now that I'm done yelling at the people voting me, maybe I can worry about the rest of this stupid thread.

I'll admit to some amount of skimming here, I'm doing my best to read it all, but honestly a day and a half for this much is not reasonable. My best work comes from re-reads anyway so I'll work with what I've got for now. Aside from the sven scumishness two things stand out to me from the rest of this, post number 588, and 742.

588 screams scum at me. I don't know if this is completely true, see aformentioned skimming, but it feels like ghostlin is rehashing a bunch of points other people have made to make them look like his own thoughts. do not like this.

742 on the other hand earns my vote. We have self centered, wifom based, wagon hopping. If that isn't a bloody scumtell I don't know what is. And if you call omgus on me so help me I will reach throught he computer and punch you in the nose. You do not get to get off with that kind of bull because you happen to be voting the guy who caught you at it.

Vote Varsoon

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Town rage by 2.

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Classic backing down in response to reverse pressure, lynch this scum please.

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I will not lurk X_X.

No actually varsoon if you had continued to push me after that post of mine I would have felt much less certain of my read on you.

See when I specifically tell you doing something would be omgus, i.e something generally considered anti town and bad, if you are willing to do it anyway that probably means your read is real and you honestly believe me to be scum. When I confront you with that obvious setback and you drop it, it feels like either your read was weak in the first place or your read was fake. I'm going for option two here.

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Your sarcasm tastes like foot, and an iso confirms :/.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Ghostlin

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His catchup posts feel like they are all made of sheeping other people already stated opinions. Don't like it.

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Your vote should always be founded on your own logic, if your own logic agrees with someone elses, is their logic makes you change yours, fine. But sheeping as pure sheeping IMO has always been and will always be wrong.

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Your hypothetical is compelling, in almost all situations then, absolutes do tend to have a habit of biting one in the ass XD.

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I quite honestly have no idea what is being discussed here, and suspect about half the playerlist is with me X_x.

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I think he just kinda got bored :/. Felt like he hated his role and wanted out, was probably hoping we'd lynch him,

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12:17 A.M (I'll Iso Tiphaine)
12:18 A.M (Ok, I just isoed tiphaine)

Yeah, no.

vote metal sonic

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I feel ignored X_x.

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I wish I could say the same of you, unfortunately you only come across as moronic so I have to keep my vote on "1minuteiso-sonic".

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^I died^

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Ok, Ima spell this out nice an clear in small simple words so maybe people other than nacho will pay attention. I want you to tell me in what reasonable universe a thoughtful isolation read takes less than a minute. Even go read my iso from that point back, for content not just skimming, and see how long it takes you.

This is a bonified bloody scumslip and I don't get how you people aren't seeing it.

You can't all be scum, and I'm reasonably sure you aren't all stupid either, so somebody tell me why I'm wrong.

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You wouldn't build a case on someone subtly lying to stick a vote on what looks like a viable wagon?

What would you like, an engraved confession from him? A cop result perhaps?

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Ghostling is still scum
Metal Sonic is still Scum
2 is still town

When I get anything new and/or interesting I'll post it, rest assured.

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I'm gonna take, he hates us all, for five hundred dollars.

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Drunken hurricanes do sound a bit dangerous.

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Yeah, Rev is probably scum.

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1785 and 1793 are scum posts, I am off to a tourney or I'd do a more thorough case, expect one later tonight or tomorrow morning.

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Third paragraph of 1785 is a scum claim.

He's making himself sound unthreatnening, pandering to town interest, after forgetting that his counterpart claimed tracker/miller he is now making sure that all take notice. There is just so much subtle deflection in this post it does the opposite for me.

The paragraphs above are saying wifom is ok and not a big deal while at the same time inspiring a whole load of it is also bad. These kind of tactics are the same i often use as scum to great effect, thus I can spot them.

"happy to try" "Prove my alignment" "curious" these words are still in the, "look at me I am a happy team playing townie" vein of speech. While maintaining the stance that he's not angry at anyone who thinks he is scum.

1793 is more of the same.

"Simply hoping you'd save me the bother"
"form my own read"

Every word out of this mans mouth is trying so damned hard to be town he cannot possibly be.

I am completely certain that MS is scum, however given that no on else is I'll lift my vote on him to vote reverend, I maintain that anytime anyone wants to vote ms I'll be right there with them.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: reverend

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I've already explained my townread on two, if I have time today I'll go reread him and give you something more substantial.

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Wow, just wow.

vote varsoon

I hereby formally apologize rev, I think I was wrong about you.

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Wow, just wow varsoon.

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Rev continues to make sense, Ms is scum, varsoon is scum, I like this guy.

I am slightly V/LA due to being sick, but I will continue to try to be at least slightly usefull.

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this guy is rev, I'm pretty sure I have explained every read I've given :/. Still feeling like crap, give me a specific person and I'll explain again.

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@Andrius, glad you agree with me on MS, unfortunately I don't think we can actually get a lynch on him today, so he gets to live.

Why is my vote a bad vote, reverend makes a convincing case, I can see why it makes sense. Rev's interaction with varsoon makes rev look town and var look scum.

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I haven't found multiball games to e particularly swingy in my experience, which one in particular were you thinking of AJ?

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Really starting to not like 2 after these last few pages :/.

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I know it sounds bad to say this but I am now heavily on the fence X_x.

Like, I had an early townread on him, but the last couple pages are horrendous. I dunno man :/.

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I have seen at least two people who have MS as scum, remind me why we aren't lynching him today?

I'd feel much more comfortable voting him than any of a bunch of other people who my reads are more shaky on :/

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YAY

VOTE: MS

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He's scum, join us won't you?

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I'll spell this out again very simply, one minute iso, lack of usefullness, scum.

So many people in this thread are adding two to two and getting three, it bothers me.

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I even have more than one scum read, he's just the only one that I feel completely comfortable with at this stage.

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^This post, makes me want to facepalm so fucking hard, I would break my forhead^

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Thank you for your heavily effective sarcasm.

The second half of that post is wishy washy and scummy over 9k.

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Aj-Var-MS

Scummity scummity scum.

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MS continues to post like shit, can we kill him now please?

vote MS

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I'm contributing, I found scum X_x. Said scum is pissily voting me because his "Oh gosh darn I was wrong let me go do this obv townie thing" card didn't work on me.

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Case point#1 One minute Iso
Case point#2 post#2778 is a scum post. "great job getting that scum guys, so very sorry I wasn't on the wagon. BTW my opinion of him was downgrading just before you lynched him." This can also be read as, "please give me town points and don't like me with 2, pretty please?"
Case point#3 Post#2825 Discredits townslip to fence sit on waynegg, says he should iso AJ to fence sit AJ. Also waaay too concerned about credit and shit.
Case point#4 post#2833 Over reaction to my continued tunneling. Feels pressured even though no pressure is on him, lashes out. There is a difference between scum omgus and town omgus, this is scum.
Case point#5 ONE. MINUTE. ISO.

Happy now?

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Yes, by a country mile.

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Aright, Fine. I'll try to look at some of the other bits of the playerbase I have reads on :/.

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I'm sorry guys, I really haven't had the energy to devote to a full read through/ multiple iso's for a game this size, still trying to get it done.

Reads on people other than metal sonic will exist eventually X_x.

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didn't cabd just hammer....

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Well I was feeling kind of confused cause he said that in the same post and my sleep fuddled brain read a hammer.

Orc=Town.

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That was actually a really good reaction test, if cabd hadn't accidentally pointed it out to me X_x.

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*raises hand*

I haven't had time to get a real read out yet, and please don't murder me, but I see that level of cave as town right now :/.

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Because I, as a skimming reader, can't really find the case on AJ, and as him I can see this scenario where he really can't find it either and is feeling overwhelmed.

Scum in that position digs in and fights it out, or suicides to end the day early.

Giving up without committing suicide here feels like an honestly confused townie.

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I'd love the rebuttal, thanks nacho.

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Leaving for rehearshal nowish, will try to do a thorough readthrough of AJ tonight in the after.

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Nice catch,

vote rach

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Andrius, I think you are making a faulty logic leap.

A) The protective Role could just be stupid.
B) While whoever protected him might be scum, that doesn't necessarily make him scum.

I want to go iso orc. Back in a jiff.

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As far as I am concerned Andi is conf town, no dumbass scum would try to gambit like that.

On to the orc iso. So orcs first post is interesting. RVS votes on scumbuddies happen an awful lot. Not enough to make it a tell necessarily, but definitely enough that orcs first two posts continue to make me think MS is scum.

29 is a bit odd, I didn't really get why scum would fakeclaim a miller either X_x.

The similarity of their beginning posts weakens my townread on nacho a tad, but I still think the rest of his game bears this up.

Still liking MS as orcs scumbuddy as of post 57.

It only takes three orcinus posts to vote and unvote GIF, could be something here, not sure.

Post 108 is another metal sonic vote, and that wagon never gained any traction. Does anyone know if orc has a history of bussing?

Hey check post 133, he's def bussing rach here, and rach was scum, and his scum to boot.

Huh, varsoon attacks orc, orc never mentioned varsoon. Andrius, what specifically did you see in the relational that made you think var was scum?

Looking at orc on var it looks like town/scum not town/town or scum/scum. :/ can't really put my finger on why but given an orc scum flip I am happy to clear varsoon for now.

760 bothers me.... he's been voting MS before, and calling him scum, but now is talking about "meeting him." :/.

I want to say that Orc's townreads from 1237 are likely town.

1618 strikes me as very odd. He's only ever mentioned ghostlin glancingly before and suddenly has a wishy washy read on him. This could be another scumbuddy tell if he doesn't mention him much again.

2529, jumps in to defend someone he hasn't been talking about, but for a few votes and calling scum near the beginning and a "hi you should vote now" in the middle. Despite his questioning of so many other people he never poked MS. This may be because MS is a weak player and orc didn't think he could take it and didn't actually want his buddy lynched.

VOTE: MS I've said this from the beginning and I'll say it again, MS is scum, is scum, is scum.

I am also willing to vote Ghostlin today.

Want explanation from andi on the varsoon vote.

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EBWOP

The posts above me make me realize I am a dumbass, I still think varsoon is town, also yeh ghostlin probably is.

Gif is interesting, If I have time today I'll try to iso him.

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Actually... andi makes an unhealthy amount of sense, GIF and MS go in to the, "To be checked out pile"

VOTE: varsoon

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I for some mega stupid reason decided that you though Var was scum not because of night actions but because of relational tells thus I asked. I just woke up gimme a break XD.

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I think MS is the lynch for tomorrow, varsoon is for today.

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Annnnnd nail in the coffin, Andi and MS both claimed vig, one of the two is scum and I have a town read on andi.

You just got moved up my que scum boy. VOTE: MS

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Traditionally,

Vote MS

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Because I wasn't voting him just then, seems relatively simple to me.

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Option one: It was a protective role, and they didn't protect ghostlin. The only other person I can see being reasonably protected last night is our claimed joat. One of the shots could have been on andi and thus prevented, this is a credible option.
Option two: It was a role block based role. If this happened, role blocker come forward now with your target, we have likely caught scum unless roleblocker missed and one of the other options is true.
Option three: We have a BP in the game who someone tried to shoot. Relatively straightforward.
Option four: Scum Crossshot, I can see this as a possibility because the kill was a conf town.
Option five: The blue scum team is dead. I haven't done the math on this but in a twenty person game if there were only four scum total wouldn't they likely all be on the same team? I know this is setup spec, and that is dangerous, but 3 and 3 feels more likely, Simply because I've never seen a multiball game with 3-2, and 4-4 would be mega-imba.
Option six: Scum held their kill. Honestly this one seems like the least likely, just because like, why would you do it? Spinach suggesting this sets off alarm bells for me, may need to go re-read tmt.

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That would be what I just said, yes.

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I suggest lynching MS today and massclaiming tomorrow.

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One: I'm a guy.
Two: Posting like this is not a scumtell, it's just a way to do shit.
Three: @bro Yes, MS is scum is scum is scum and given the strength of that read I see no reason in hell not to act upon it before giving the scum a perfect roadmap of night kills.

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Four: Spinach was voting nacho yesterday and didn't get much done. I, not someone wholly beloved by the town at this stage, poke at him and a scum read on me materializes out of butfuck nowhere. Coincidence? I think not. Happy to vote spinach today as well as MS, but if we are killing spinach we should Massclaim.

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Five: Why is my D1 play terrible GIF? Why is my MS push terrible. What are the bloody things that I am saying that don't make sense to you. I have acted and continue to act in a logical manner. As is my standard response to pressure, explain yourself or piss off. God, GIF might be a spinach scumbuddy :/.

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@GIF I think I've explained MS scum a whole frackload of times, but I'll see if I can go and round em all up in one pile by the end of today. You really need to answer my questions, like, in your next post.

@Spinach-At this point I am honestly confused... This precise chronological order thing is not something I have ever heard of as a tell of any kind. I sincerely suspect you pulled this out of your ass.

Hey spinach, guess what I didn't do? Promote a bloody massclaim! I said we shouldn't mass claim today, L2R. This defense isn't about the vote, it's about the case. I tend to give zero shits about votes on me, but cases, those I will always defend. Always-always-always.

I think you have misread my meaning, A way to do shit is meant to be read as "A way to do things." No, but saying it three times should get through to people how strong my read is, I would think the monstrous amount of MS's fuckups and the few relational tells from this game would make up the strong read. But that's just me.

I'm not playing on sympathy you dip, I'm pointing out that because you couldn't assault the unassailable nacho you went after something easier instead. Well lucky you something easier decided to tell you to go spin.

How is that quoted post 3503 a play on fear or Wifom. that is me calling out GIF and putting my thoughts down. The fact that we still hasn't answered does not help his case, or yours.

I have never heard of these lie-detector things of yours, They sound like ass, as do you.

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Didn't see the link the first time.

I don't know what to say that I haven't already said here. I can understand why many of these things might be true, but just because you've managed to tack on these labels to my normal modes of speech doesn't make what I'm saying a lie.

Pedit:
The only reason I don't want a massclaim is because as far as I am concerned MS is conf scum, and thus with a gaurunteed scum-kill there is no reason to mass claim yet. If anyone else is the lynch for today there is no particular reason not to massclaim. You'll notice that I am not currently voting you because I WOULD STILL RATHER LYNCH MS and thus NOT MASSCLAIM.

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I am not being deceptive about anything!

Even if I was why would you think that asking me would get me to tell you? Faulty logic is faulty.

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I don't even get you man :/. I explained the situation, my reasoning, and what was going on. According to your chart thingy I did so in a deceptive manner. What could I have been trying to deceive people about?

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I CANT ANSWER BECAUSE IT DOESN"T EXITS!

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SA's argument, SA's motherfucking argument?

His entire so called argument is that I was being deceptive about something, he has no idea what I was being deceptive about, and can point out half of one post in which he is sure I am being deceptive. And in fact the only thing he is using to say I am deceptive is some weird study based on speech patterns. that's like one step up form gut, at best.

Howzabout dis bro, I aint good at reading hydras, and there was so much posting I didn't read most of the thread. 2 was one of the most active posters and seemed logical-ish, that's why I assumed he was town.

Is anyone listening to this shitstorm?

Bro-spinach, thoughts on MS and GIF, ASAP.

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It is not possible for bro-gif-spinach-ms to all be scum. It is however possible for all of them to be stupid. Can I talk to somebody else please?

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Hi andi, what do you think of my proposed scumteams?

MS=blue

Spinach/bro or Spinach/GIF as red?

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... Spinach, get back in your hydra.

I have not been throwing shit everywhere. I have two solid town reads, Nacho/andi. in addition to myself that's 3/8 remaining alive that I am confident are not scum of any kind.

SAD-Spinach-Bro-MS-GIF must then be my remaining scum pool.

3/5 of you are scum.

I haven't been poking sad because he just isn't fucking posting. I don't know what to do with lurkers, hopefully he'll get replaced.

Assuming I am not going to try to get a lurker lynch that leaves 3/4 of Spinach-Bro-MS-GIF as scum.

So yes, those four people? I've been attacking them. Will you shutup about shit throwing now please? You seriously irritate me.

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I'm pretty confident MS is the last blue scum, look at the relational stuff with rach and orc.

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Spinach, GIF, I have seriously misjudged you, and for that I apologize.

Nachos 3606, is a scumslip, GIF caught this, well done. Nacho has to be red scum.

MS is blue scum, Nacho is one of the red scum.

Working on the assumption now that andi-GIF-Spinach are town That leaves SAD or Bro to fill the final scumslot.

The final scum slot is nacho's buddy, therefor there is no way in hell it's SAD.

Blue Scum: MS
Red Scum: Nacho-Bro

GG mothah-fuckah.

That said can we still please lynch MS today? I'll vote nacho if I have to but killing the final of a scum team is better than just offing one of two remaining.

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At this point my only strong town read is andi. The rest is mostly weak reads and process of elimination.

I already pointed this out, but I'll say it again.

MS is blue scum.

Nacho is red scum.

The last slot left is red.

There is no way SAD is a nacho buddy.

Q.E.Duh SAD is town.

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eh, SAD is a relational read, I am usually leery of those because relational tells can be intentionally set up.

I already said that too nacho, pay attention, you're red scum, MS is blue scum, if we lynch MS there is one less NK tonight.

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You slipped. That simple. Pretty much nothing short of that or a night action reveal would have made me change my read on you but.... there it is.

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Chance to crosskill VS automatically one NK less? I'll take the one NK less every time. Every-Single-Time.

Pedit: huh, I'm calling you red scum, if redscum flip than I was right X_x. Explain that question better.

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Now you are acting stupid, and stupid you are not. I refuse to continue this line of questioning because it has reached its logical conclusion and you are still poking it with a stick.

I have repeated myself for you like three times, ask something new and meaningfull or bugger off.

Pedit: There are two red scum left, unless SAD is the one who flips red scum, nothing.

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One less NK is a guaranteed bonus, the other scenarios you described rely on the living scum misplaying or on blind chance.

I like neither trusting my enemy to misplay, nor trusting to chance to fall in my favor.

I'll take the 100 percent bonus thank you very much.

Pedit: God, if SAD flips red scum I think I would have an apoplexy. Lets think for a minute. That would pretty much clear you. So we would have You-Andi as town. I dunno who I would pick as SAD's buddy from GIF-Bro-Spinach. GIF maybe? In the unlikely even that this occurs I would probably end up doing full iso's on all three of those people.

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Wait, nacho is crumbing red, where. Help me I'm lost.

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...... I'll go through this one last time.

MS is blue scum
You are red scum.
Andi is town.
I was working on the assumption that GIF/Spinach were red scum. Given that you are neither of them can be and they are both town.
SAD is not your buddy and is thus town.
POE Bro is your buddy

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Check out that beautiful false dichotomy from MS. He sees a way out/forward and he takes it instantly.

Can we lynch this smug little shit?

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I can't be trusted with WHAT? Elaborate.

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Bro is only my scum suspect by process of elimination, I have nothing-else-on-him.

"What benefit does one less NK afford us"

One

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Have I said it enough times to get it through to you yet?

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Thank you, spinach, but I'm not done yelling at this scummer yet. I'll look at your quotes shortly.

Back to you Nacho... "No I weren't what???"

One less NK IS a benefit. And the shots at scum come from scum, who, if there are only one of them left each probably both want each other alive. Dear god man even if you hadn't slipped my read on you would be slipping. This is just so-. You are playing such an idiot, and you aren't. This is classic scum stubbornness, cut it out. You and ms together are going to make me pop a blood vessel.

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Wait... wtf, MS just condoned his own lynch.

@nacho, I am not calling you an idiot, I am calling you a smart person using obviously faulty logic.

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You just gave my why yourself. :/. I'm sorry man, if I had a better why to give you I would, but I honestly feel this is sufficient, otherwise I'd be voting for you instead of MS.

Wait, hold up a sec. Something is off here.

MS and Nacho are both logicing at me advocating for me to be set on lynching them instaid of the other one.

What-The-Fuck.

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I've given you all my reasons and logic, if you still think they're stupid not much I can do about that from this point.

I seriously need to stop posting and think for a sec though, because neither you nor metals play makes sense from the positions I have put you in.

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bahahahahahhahahhahahahhhaha.

I died, I absolutely frigin died.

Like actually fell out of my bed on to the floor laughing.

I take back all my rage, that moment of derp was worth it.

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Aright, I gotta go to bed, good talk nacho, good talk.

I <3 you MS, even if you are a silly little scummer .

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Not-Scum X-x.

I have explained why I am not voting nacho like fifty-brazilian times, and yes, that's a number.

The 180 is POE/relational based. Working on the assumption that MS/Nacho are scum I can find the third scum by looking at who can and cannot be nacho's buddy.

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I continue to disagree that red is better :/. Relying on luck to see you through is never a winning strategy.

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Riddle me this spinach, why is bro conf-town?

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things are muddled enough I should probably join you in that, it's just so much goddamned work for this big a thread.

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They weren't, then everyone started talking at me and now I'm not even sure which way is up anymore X_x.

Like, I'm starting to doubt my MS scumread, that can't be healthy.

I'm still trying to figure out the whole Nacho and MS both advocating for me to be voting them.

Really it's that.

Scum don't do that.

So confused.

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What happens to this game if I step back and decide MS and Nacho are both town?

Or that nacho is blue and MS is red?

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If Nacho+MS town then 3/4 of spinach/Gif/Bro/SAD are scum. I don't think this is true so we're gonna ignore that option for now.

If MS red Nacho blue then one of Spinach/Gif/Bro/Sad is an MS buddy, not a nacho buddy. brb looking for relational tells.

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Aright so here we go. Based on his 2605 I don't think SAD is an MS buddy. Coming in to the game voting your buddy with your first post feels unlikely. And the fact that MS doesn't disappear from his list kind of confirms this.

Gif's slow switch from scumread-townread on MS if either VERY well done scumbuddy, or more likely no connection.

Bro's 2892 catch's my interest as potentially a buddy tell. Telling two fighting players they are town from a position of relative power when one of them is your buddy is often a scumtell.

Spinach's description of MS in his first big post again, like SAD makes me think he isn't an MS buddy.

So the scumteams should look like either

Red: MS/Bro
Blue: Nacho

or

Red:Nacho/Bro
Blue: MS

Aint that hilarious? I still find it more likely that MS is blue here. The amount of relational tells between MS and orc/rach is far more than anything I have found for him with anyone still living.

But then there's still the stupid fucking both of them yelling "VOTE ME VOTE ME" if ms is blue, which makes absolutely no sense!

I think I have to go with the idea that as scum they would not be screaming for me to be voting them at this stage in the game, even theory based, even town point based, they wouldn't be doing that. I still think they're both scum so MS has to be red and Nacho has to be blue. I am not at all confident in my read on bro. He's ended up in my scumpile by POE both times.

UNVOTE: VOTE: nacho.

Killing blue is right today. nacho has been arguing that we should be killing red, thus he is blue. MS has been agreeing with me, thus he is red. Nacho is the right kill today.

I'll go ISO GIF again spinach, see what I can find.

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Sorry I just went back and looked at GIF for a good long while. I'm not seeing a significant difference between his pre two dead blue scum and post two dead blue scum play. Am I blink spinach, are you gambiting? Help me out here.

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Gif as a nacho scumbuddy? Doesn't make any sense as an MS one...

Lynch for today is still MS or Nacho.

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No, my scumread on MS is stronger, but I think Nacho is the blue scum, so he's gotta go.

Otherwise as I said there are two scum yelling lynch me, which seems unlikely.

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white flagging isss........

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Also as the wiki described that gambit, if I'm reading it right, to be doing that I would have to have put MS to L-1 or Vise versa, I don't think either me or him has had more than two or three votes at any point today. Correct me if I'm wrong?

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..... Nacho, The scumslip made me decide you were scum in the first place. Your posts since have made me keep deciding you're scum. And if they hadn't that last one would have.

Do you listen to yourself man? I have been so fucking confused throughout this day ever since you slipped that I don't even know what to think let alone do. At this point I'm posting in fucking stream of consciousness mode because I don't know where else to go. And you're attacking me over what? A contradiction that appears because I haven't been thinking about my posts and haven't been putting my every thought out here to read? If I didn't respect you so much as a player I'd tell you to go to hell.

Nacho was on L-1 and didn't even fucking claim, bet that's cause he has no idea what to claim at this point that would sound believable.

This is a desperate last minute gambit from a trapped scum.

This is my unimpressed face.

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Huh, spinach I aint talkin to you. Were you talkin to me?

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I'm not scum man... I don't know how many ways to say this, and I don't see where you're getting that I claimed red.

Dude the number of gambits you're pulling hurts my brain X_x, I just wish they were pointed in the right direction.

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.... I haven't felt the need to because I saw a slip. Then I had decided you were scum, but you couldn't be that color of scum because you were telling me to lynch that color of scum. So you had to be the other color of scum. Honestly the idea that after you slipped you might actually be town didn't enter in to my head, cept the once I think it might have. I just kind of kept thinking "slippityslippityscummity." An honestly, if I had really wanted you lynched and didn't care all I had to do was retract my reasoning, go along with you, say that lynching red scum today was right (even though it's totally not) and then call you red and happily sing and dance my way on to your grave. For fucks sake man.

Who is SA? I know I'm fucked up but I don't think there's anyone in the game with that name, help me out here, I totally forgot a player existed in my other game recently too.

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hehe, freedom for the heaaaads!

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I don't know man. You feel scum to me, so does MS. I have no clue who the third is. All my beautiful little logic trees have been set on fire by angry spinach and nachos X_x There are good reasons for you to be scum, more than just the slip, post slip. I remember seeing them.

No it wouldn't backing down in the face of superior logic never looks scummy, it would have been fucking cake and if you think I couldn't have pulled that off smelling like a rose I feel slightly insulted.

wait waaaaaait, waitwaitwaitwait, did you just call me and spinach scumbuddies?

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Not only does that sound grody but, ANGRY spinach nachos man, like, fire in the belly. Do. Not. Want.

Pedit: I-that, I probably should have been doing that this whole time insteadd of bitching about confusion huh? Aright it's late and I'm way tired, I'm kind of falling apart so it's sleep time. I'll go and make an actual case on you tomorrow.

Why are you being so goddamned helpful? X_x.

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Ok boys and girls, prep for wall.

I'm gonna start with what spinach pointed out and go from there..... Oh wait, no I'm not because all of the reasoning for those posts being scummy is a load of crap and he's gambiting again, de hurr de durr.

The first post is obviously the scumslip. This is where Nacho says there is only one scum left. *Bam Scumdar* Logically if he only cares about one scum left he must be red scum.

Nacho's 3615 is feigning ignorance, I do not like this. Scum scummity scum want a mislynch, always, and you know that.

3680 is another post that I Severely dislike. If/When Nacho flips scum look for his buddies in that second list. It is not safe in the slightest to say those four are town. Once again, town nacho is smarter than this. Like, andi is town, but the other three?

3682 is twisting my words to his own purposes, do-not-like.

3689 was one the spinach tried to quote at me as being bad, but there's nothing wrong with this post. Something feels off in relation to this though, we'll touch back on it later.

3720 is definitive proof nacho and MS are on different teams, I'll touch back on this one too.

3737 is where nacho's stubbornness really crosses the line from reasonable to unreasonable. I've addressed this like five times and he still wants me too. This is also when I get the inkling that something is off with my read on him as red scum.

The end of post 3809 is another bad ignorance/non ignorance tell by nacho.

But then at the end of all this, a few things are true.
One Nacho scum slipped Red. Two, Nacho has been advocating HARD for a red-lynch. Three, Nacho has more good/strong posts then bad/weak ones. Four, nacho's general attitude has been helpful towards me, despite me calling for his blood. Five, I've been completely ignoring the fact that there are too many contradictions here for nacho to be scum.

Three really has to be ignored on the basis that nacho is a strong player, even as scum he would have many strong posts and but a few weak ones we'd have to catch and hold on to hard if we wanted him lynched. The problem is one-two-four=five. And five stinks.

You know what I smell? I smell a rat. Hold on to your underwear ladies and gentleman cause this post is taking a turn towards the unexpected.

If I may draw your attention to spinach for a moment. Let's take a minute to look at this guy, who for quite awhile now both me and nacho have been townreading, and lets look at his vote pattern since nacho's "slip."

Unvote TD Vote SAD
Unvote SAD Vote Nacho
Unvote Nacho
Vote TD
Unvote TD Vote Nacho
Unvote Nacho
Vote Nacho
Unvote Nacho Vote TD

Spinach has been in a position of relative power ever since nacho's "slip." I stopped poking at him, nobody else bothered. Me-MS-Nacho were pretty much what was being argued over. However the vote's been pretty well split between me and nacho, sometimes one of us'll get close, sometimes the other will, but we don't get lynched. Hell I've never even hit L-1. This makes me think there are already scum on one or both of our wagons.

What happens, if in some crazy world, I admit I'm wrong and decide that this me v nacho thing is town on town? What happens if MS isn't in fact blue scum? I tried this earlier, but I second guessed myself and came up with the wrong result. Spinach has been egging on this stupid me and nacho thing, trying to get more people to come down on one side or the other, or get one of us to slip hard enough he can force town to vote us.

his 3488 says "I stand by this, nacho is scum"

by his next post 3489, he's voting me.

It's almost like he looked at the two people most likely to eat it today and got on both of their wagons. When they started attacking each other it was like Christmas come early for this guy.

He's been gambiting up down and every whichway trying so hard his eyeballs are fuckin bugging out to make me or nacho slip. He just tried again with that useless fucking quotes post. And if he thought I was scum right no why the frack would he be helping me, AT ALL.

Spinach has been defending MS throughout much of today. He saw that I could finally, maybe pull a lynch on this guy, and headed that off at the pass with a classic chainsaw defense.

Let's try this logic tree one last time.

8 players alive 2 scum 1 scum 5 town

Town(Me, Nacho, Andi)
Scum(Spinach, MS)
To Be Sorted (SAD, Gif, Bro)
Now who from the TBS pile has connections to orc and rach? That's the substance of another post as this one has already gone far past reasonable length, but that's my next step, expect it later today.

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Nice misrep brothah, this was not my grand plan all along. I wish I was that fuggin smart. I'm just realizing all this now. But yes, I caught you, and yes that is exactly the way I expected you to react. And no, I've said it before and i'll say it again, I don't care about your silly little lie detector list. If it was that infallible the government would be like perfect avenging angels, and they are obviously not. Also double agents would never exist because everyone would be able to tell.

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Also, can't believe I forgot this. UNVOTE:

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I would appreciate it if you wouldn't used undefendable "You're lying because blabbityblabbityblah" statements as your only form of defense.

Oh wait, I'm totally cool with it because it makes you look even scummier.

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Just caught another thing, SA's obsession with finding people admitting to being red-scum points to him being such.

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...... what does 3926 have to do with the quote in it?

That has nothing to do with catching scum, are you even listening to yourself?

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Aaaaand as soon as I turn on him he takes his first opportunity calls me town, stupid, and town, both things inherently designed to get me to back off. Still-Gambiting. Cute.

You're lucky you're red scum or I would lynch your face off.

GIF-Bro-SAD I want your updated scumlists, if you please.

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Bahaahahahhah, aaaand caught in a blatant flasehood by andi, gotta love it.

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I don't want to have to iso you to find it, if you would just restate that would be very helpful.

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Q_Q Not a VI... just not particularly quick on the uptake.

And I am certain that if you are dead anyone can take your face who wants it .

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I feel that Nacho ignored my entire wall X_x.

Waiting on SAD scumreads.

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My problems with you no longer matter due to my problem with spinach.

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And thank you for making that fact clear, I feel much better about it now.

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ITS ALIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE!

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VOTE: MS

I don't know what I was thinking when I decided this guy was a spinach buddy. He's still our last blue, connections to orc and rach too strong, I can't come up with anything better for anyone else.

So spinach buddy is not nacho/andy so I still need to look in bro/gif/SAD.

Still waiting on SAD's scumlist.

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Not liking GIF as a spinach buddy. Spinach poked in his direction a bit too hard.

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Nacho's response to spinach's latest load of shit on andy is beautiful .

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A) Stop calling me a VI
B) Fix your quote tags so I can understand anything from that last post.

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I feel voyeuristic.

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Spinach and andi have both claimed, and yet I say the mass claim can wait for tomorrow. Everyone please stop claiming and lynch MS. He's in at least a few of your scum lists, I remember.

Also... Wall-lol-lol. Tried to read all of that, didn't really manage it.

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Erm... still not scum, would still rather have blue lynched X_x.

Just sayin'.

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Spinach Spinachy scum
runtumtum-tumtum
I don't make good poetry
Fuck ya'll lets lynch metal sonic

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Miqol, Colonist Aligned Vanilla.

Popcorn to MS.

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I like how Andi managed to control the first two claims after him cause he knew I would pop to MS .

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The popcorn style mass claim disagrees with your assessment .

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I think the only one left to claim is bro, have at it,

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V/LA Through July 8

VOTE: MS

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I'm almost here... wait for it.

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Spinach flipped town.

Whoever the last red-scum is they either thought spinach had them pegged or was the last blue scum.

If Spinach is town that means I should be defaulting to my original read on Nacho.

Me-Nacho-Andi Are the three remaining townies.

Metal Sonic and Bro are the scum. Honestly, it doesn't fucking matter what colors they are anymore.

Less than superb play by MS, I've known you're scum pretty much this whole game.

Amazing play by bro, who after this post will probably swoop in and finish me. I only got you by POE mate, much respect.

However here's the best part, here's the part that makes me laugh my fucking head off. My townflip means bro and MS have to shoot each other, town wins. The only, and I mean only reason, I am not self voting right now, is a lingering suspicion that I could have misread andi this whole game. The problem is that I can see a player as good as andi pulling this high level a gambit and pulling it well.

So I'm gonna keep my vote on MS, where it has been the whole time, and I'm still gonna try to actually lynch scum today. But you know what, unless andi is actually that scary level of amazing, I think we've got this one folks, gratz all around.

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Yeah, that was unfortunately inevitable, didn't really see a way out, but had to try.

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<3

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This was an amazing game I loved the player base and honestly thought all sides played pretty damn well. Would love to repeat it. /prein Xenogears

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I totally <3 you vars, but hydraing is kind of against my code X_x. Also I think I might be a bit abrasive to end up in a hydra.