Open 316 - Hard Boiled (Day Two)

glowball · Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:10 am

/confirmed

glowball · Post Post #15 (isolation #1) » Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:48 pm

whoa there buddy...calm down!

glowball · Post Post #28 (isolation #2) » Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:53 pm

Awesome!

RVS

Vote: Hoopla

For giving the Mod all kinds of grief about

bolding

MOD: V/LA through the 21st

glowball · Post Post #130 (isolation #3) » Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:15 pm

Okay first off WOW

um, RVS did not go how I expected- briefly looking over I see there is a proposed mass claim and my first thought is NO

absolutely not day 1! However, there has been tons of discussion and lengthy posts about it so I am going to look those over and see what is what.

glowball · Post Post #132 (isolation #4) » Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:35 pm

Nevermind- this is ridiculous it seems like you guys went through several options, so can someone just summarize the plan so I can say whether or not I agree.

I will say this, in Open set ups the town have one major advantage NUMBERS and scum have one major advantage KNOWLEDGE. While we sit around and wonder who is who and turn on each other the only thing scum has to do is survive and try to take out our PRs since they are a threat to them. Outing our PRs is never good especially day one, I would dare say lynch Hoopla or Muff see the flip so we can analyze the motivations behind pushing this plan then go forward with Night Actions and tomorrow we can address the mass claim idea because today I don't see it doing any justice.

glowball · Post Post #137 (isolation #5) » Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:18 pm

Why is the Vig killing those who don't claim? Is it just established that scum don't claim, because scum would very well claim vanilla to get by in this set up and then we'd be stuck between counter claims which aren't even really countered there will just be a whole bunch of townies.

glowball · Post Post #141 (isolation #6) » Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:32 pm

I refuse to read a plan that seems to have been re-worked several different times. Also, notice how I don't care. I said I was going V/LA you guys could be a little considerate on the posting and know that NO I don't want to read pages and pages of thoughts.

Goodness, calm down. It's either explain it to me, or have a clueless teammate which then would foil your plan because you'd want me lynched and then blah blah blah claim day 2 anyway. I don't have the patience for people being rude to me. I started off nice and all I ask for is the same WITHOUT THE ATTITUDE

glowball · Post Post #143 (isolation #7) » Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:46 pm

I never said it should be stalled, but I am asking for a summary not of the game but of a plan I wasn't around for during it's conception. ONE THING- the plan. We are on the same team and if you don't want to help me understand what you guys have had days to talk about then don't.

For the record, I am reading but if you guys are trying to hear my thoughts and speed up the process then you should help. If not then you can wait while I read and work on my other games as well and I will get to this when I feel like it. Does that work better for you? Probably not, but those are the only choices short of lynching me for not wanting to read.

Also, the only reason I even ask and refuse to read is because I am against this plan. I am giving you guys the chance to pitch this to me because as it stands I will not be participating.

glowball · Post Post #158 (isolation #8) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:40 am

Okay, well if no one really cares that I am against this then why don't you all start mass claiming and get it over with...

glowball · Post Post #160 (isolation #9) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:44 am

Does it even matter? Everyone is on board, so go for it...

glowball · Post Post #162 (isolation #10) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:49 am

Minds are made up and that's fine. I don't fully understand it or agree with it so I won't be participating in a mass claim day one. I would rather lynch the idea behind this to see if their motivation was in the right place and then go forward.

glowball · Post Post #164 (isolation #11) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:04 am

I think there is a point. For one thing I would feel better about participating if this was the brainchild of a townie

glowball · Post Post #166 (isolation #12) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:21 am

then go forward with the plan- and I want you lynched today

glowball · Post Post #169 (isolation #13) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:35 am

Sure, I will claim- last

glowball · Post Post #171 (isolation #14) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:41 am

Alright.

glowball · Post Post #174 (isolation #15) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:07 am

Hey DarkScum... keep up and stop quoting things that are no longer relevant. Yes, I went through saying I wouldn't re read but I have conceded defeat if this is how you've all decided to go... and I've read what everyone has written since I came back from V/LA. I don't care what you think about me claiming last it's no big deal if we are going in sections- I will claim last in every catagory as far as Not Dect/Psy or Dect/Psy.

As far as you painting me to be scummy...I'm apprehensive there is a difference, but wouldn't you love it if people thought I was scum.

glowball · Post Post #176 (isolation #16) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:53 am

I GOT IT! I still don't agree... and I won't agree, but just go ahead please...goodness

glowball · Post Post #177 (isolation #17) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:54 am

I honestly just want to get this game going, because this back and forth is useless- the planning has taken the place over scumhunting and everyone seems okay with that- I just want to see how your master plan unfolds

glowball · Post Post #179 (isolation #18) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:58 am

It's not difficult- but it's players like you that make me not want to waste my breathe. People don't want to hear why I disagree and think about it- you just want to hear why I disagree so you can argue me down and try to prove me wrong. Not interested in that. I want to get this over with, and lynch someone so we can gain some information-- this play by numbers thing not only takes out 90% of the sport and spirit of the game, but if it was developed by scum then they have already thought of how to manipulate it.

glowball · Post Post #185 (isolation #19) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:34 am

Amrun wrote:I AM INTERESTED. How many times do I have to say?
Stop being a sensitive little flower and read words.

If you have found holes in the plan, I want to hear them.

It's not being sensitive- I'm just not going to cooperate with rude people. Go ahead with your plan and see how well it works. The longer you give me attitude, the longer I am going to be uncooperative. Which is why it doesn't benefit the town to lash out disrespectfully because then you have an upset townie(me) who couldn't care less. I want to win, but teammates like Amrun make me want to play games spitefully

glowball · Post Post #188 (isolation #20) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:59 am

Don't care really... I am not trying to scumhunt because it's obvious it won't go anywhere so I'll sit back and draw what I can from your plan.

glowball · Post Post #191 (isolation #21) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:54 pm

I am. I just think we should lynch the founder of this plan and take it from there- Day 2 claims can still work, you'd just have to re work the plan if we find that it is in the town's best interest.

glowball · Post Post #194 (isolation #22) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:09 pm

I never said anyone was being "mean" there is a difference between mean and RUDE. The attitude that I am getting from these posts are less than favorable. You obviously aren't reading... I wasn't just like "OH I AM AGAINST ANY PLAN"...I am just against mass claiming and honestly given any other situation most people would be but I see a lot of sheep hiding behind Hoopla's experience and I want her lynched because this was originally her idea and her flip will show the plans true motivation. If she is town, we can re work things after scum's NK and figure out how to proceed.

As it stands, no I am NOT OKAY with scumhunting from only a few people giving others the chance to coast by in the game just because they go uncounter claimed- not to mention I would love to see if we even make it through claims without counter claims and exactly how we choose to solve that problem.

I called you scum, because I love to see how words get under people's skin. For this game there are 3 scum members.

First I thought Jake and Muff Definitely
Then Hoopla and Muff...
DarkFlashlight and Amrun just sheeping townies? But possibly scum.

I want to take out one of the people behind this plan and then we move forward

NINJA'D
Fine- I won't participate in a Day 1 massclaim...I at least tried to hear you guys out--so if we are going to be stubborn then let's be stubborn

glowball · Post Post #195 (isolation #23) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:10 pm

Amrun wrote:I won't participate in a d2 massclaim.
Glowball's plan entirely eliminates scumhunting under the guise of advocating it.

Are you saying I don't want to scumhunt?

glowball · Post Post #197 (isolation #24) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:38 pm

Agreed. Glow=Not objective...

What I propose is lynching Hoopla, and IF she is town we proceed- if she isn't we drop it...and I am betting on the latter

glowball · Post Post #199 (isolation #25) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:50 pm

HA.

Those who don't agree must be scum!!!!

I think Hoopla is scum, because I have yet to see a mass claim on day one that was town motivated. I think you are a sheep- but between you and Dark trying to paint me as scum, idk..

glowball · Post Post #200 (isolation #26) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:52 pm

oh and by the way... I have just as much reason to think Hoopla is scum, as you have to think I am scum

glowball · Post Post #202 (isolation #27) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:00 pm

Definitely do- however I am done arguing with you...

You've showed your true colors, you'd like me lynched and wouldn't that ruin your perfect little plan? Oh I know it would...if you are town don't be so full of yourself to let your frustration control your votes. I know I am being difficult...but mass claiming this early is not pro-town and I am playing MY best game to ensure a town win.

glowball · Post Post #207 (isolation #28) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:42 pm

NINJA'D

sheep can be town...they are just confused/misguided townies.

Right now, there is almost no way any of you have a good grasp on who could be scum or not, I mean besides me because I've decided to speak out against the plan. I never said it didn't sound good, but so do a lot of things and their are several ways it can go bad. The vig can die just by random NK-- scum get lucky...I did in a couple of games. The plan is not rock solid and really nothing is, but I don't like that you all just hop on board . I know I'm town, it's the rest of you I'm worried about and instead of using the time to put pressure on people and actually figure out who's scum you've decided to play by numbers like they can't be manipulated. I want Hoopla gone because if she is scum no doubt she's already thought of a way to turn the tables. If she's town, then she can claim at L-1 if she wants and if it's a PR she lives.

I feel bad for you guys acting like know-it-alls...I am open to this plan, but you have to pitch it better. I am not seeing that it's all that beneficial, and no I am not pointing out flaws because I don't have that burden. I just don't have to participate and if you lynch me for that then you go off of your plan and you cannot go forward unless I agree to claim..>WHICH I DID but the loud mouths just had to continue antagonizing

But regardless- you guys can get your attitudes together or throw your plan in the garbage and have me lynched instead.

glowball · Post Post #209 (isolation #29) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:55 pm

are you sure you have all of the PRs on board....and have we discussed how to handle counter claims?

glowball · Post Post #211 (isolation #30) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:19 pm

My signature does sum me up...that was the point

I do care about the plan, and I genuinely think it's something to be skeptical of. As far as disproving counterclaims you cannot until Day 2 after the Night Phase, so we give scum a free pass for day one??? We should always try to hit scum first...no matter what, even though mislynches happen day one they aren't good or acceptable

glowball · Post Post #214 (isolation #31) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:06 pm

well we will just have to wait and see how people flip...

glowball · Post Post #216 (isolation #32) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:42 pm

For the record ONCE AGAIN...

I said I would go with the plan, until some arrogant townies decided to keep harping on me about my initial hesitation, but if you guys want to lynch me just because I don't go with your plan, how exactly does that help your plan?

glowball · Post Post #217 (isolation #33) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:46 pm

Honestly, I appreciate you swank for being blunt and I get it. But I am not going to be held into a plan I didn't agree with and wasnt around for, lynching me would be against your win condition because that is all it's based off of, but I understand and I am not going to bend over for arrogant people.

When they learn how to talk to people respectful in a mature manner, I will be more cooperative.

glowball · Post Post #220 (isolation #34) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:45 pm

I don't need the phony back handed apologies, and I am not here to survive that is where people are wrong. They are upset with me and willing to get rid of me as if it hurts just myself, this is a team game and voting me is putting yourselves down one player who will actively scum hunt and is doing so in the process of all of this-- my refusal reveals a lot and if I am forced to go by lynching then so be it. But I really hope you guys are smarter than lynching someone who disagrees--what motivation would I have to be outwardly against this plan? even still? just to put heat on myself? really...not smart, but I will understand and accept it as stupid play if I have to go and hopefully town will still win.

glowball · Post Post #231 (isolation #35) » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:02 am

Hoopla wrote:I think glowball can manage to get through the cycle of Det-Psych/not Det-Psych and so on.

IS that all you are concerned about...outing the Det?

Why aren't we considering any other courses of action? Why not just let the PRs stay hidden, and give them their orders or a choice of 2 people and they can decided after that. I just think the motivation to get the best PR out is scummy and I would like us to explore other options. I am sure that if you guys could come up with this plan you can come up with an equally effective plan that doesn't involve day one claiming.

I also appreciate the apologies, I can say I have been difficult but I am just not the type to bend over because when all is said and done if the town does get screwed I want to make sure I tried my best.

glowball · Post Post #233 (isolation #36) » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:14 am

Yeah, I guess- but the game to me is winnable without a vig which is why they could also be a tracker. I think the dect/psy provides a certain amount of information that I find useful to town.

You didn't answer my other questions addressed...

glowball · Post Post #241 (isolation #37) » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:50 am

zMuffinMan wrote:glowball, why do you keep insisting that you're on the same team as everyone else? It's really, really distracting and not at all a townie mindset.

because you guys are playing this game like I am just by myself and that isn't the case...we should be working together

glowball · Post Post #246 (isolation #38) » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:59 am

zMuffinMan... I doubt that anything is really that distracting to you and others seem to be getting by just fine. Grasping at straws much?

glowball · Post Post #249 (isolation #39) » Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:09 am

Funny how AtF isn't going to stop my actions...you guys are fine and you've been fine, this is how I play and honestly I cannot take what you two say as much because both of you are on my radar as scum.

Just play YOUR game, and stop bringing up old stuff. I mean zMuff is grasping because it was something he just brought back up for no reason, if he wasn't trying to say anything I about me then his point was useless.

glowball · Post Post #266 (isolation #40) » Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:34 pm

Oversoul wrote:I'm not zMuffin, but I would have to say that Up is my favorite Disney movie. :3

you don't follow rules very well...WAIT YOUR TURN! or else everyone would just start shouting out disney movies, then movies that aren't even disney and it'd be total ANARCHY...

glowball · Post Post #268 (isolation #41) » Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:39 pm

see now swank is contributing to the anarchy...

I see every game as a team- I mean seriously yeah we don't know who is scum, but we know EVERYONE isn't scum. I'm not going to be a paranoid freak about the game and I believe in general it is pro-town to work together that being said, I cannot get behind something I don't support. I wouldn't follow you guys off a cliff either- shot me....better yet lynch me if you don't like it.

The longer you guys keep bringing me up as a subject for anything other than scumhunting the longer I will be uncooperative. Seriously, if you have a question I will answer it- but it's to a point where you guys are just shooting me down because I don't want to fall in line with your plan and I am being difficult. You guys are attacking my personality not scum hunting and there is a difference.

glowball · Post Post #271 (isolation #42) » Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:18 pm

What have I done to implicate myself? Please enlighten me on things that are fact based rather than opinions on how you feel I should be playing.

glowball · Post Post #273 (isolation #43) » Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:22 pm

No, it hasn't. Factually? I mean you guys have called me out for not agreeing with your plan and then the team thing...all of which I find to be opinion based. I would like to know what I have done that is solely scum motivated.

glowball · Post Post #275 (isolation #44) » Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:28 pm

what alignment shenanigans? calling people town/scum? those are reads-- would you rather me not give them? it'd be the first game I didn't do so...

this game is about strategy, the opinions come into play with "scumtells" but until you find the motivation behind them they mean nothing.

glowball · Post Post #277 (isolation #45) » Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:34 pm

AtE? If anything you guys have been AtF for me to stop acting how I act.

I am not against being lynched, I just won't be talked to rudely on boards or IRL.

If I was AtE you'd know it...you can ask zMuffinMan or I could link you to my newbie game where I was scum and was emotional ALL OVER THE PLACE

glowball · Post Post #279 (isolation #46) » Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:42 pm

Well that I don't see either, but I'll take a look.

Amrun, tell me...were you always this hostile? or is it just special for me?

glowball · Post Post #281 (isolation #47) » Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:45 pm

There are 3 mafia goons. Naming 4 people isn't a problem in my book- as far as lynching you guys goes well if you go forward with the plan I won't really have that option. I am out numbered but it doesn't mean I won't speak my mind until the very end.

Giving reads is a part of this game sorry if you don't like it. I am not even against everyone for the plan for instance I think Swank is pro-town and he's come down on me for being uncooperative. There is just something about the passion and motives that I get from you, Muff, Am, and Hoop that make me think you are scum.

glowball · Post Post #283 (isolation #48) » Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:14 pm

Okay I took the time to look over this plan- it is PRETTY good, but it isn't 100%. It's a numbers game and the scum pulling it off would have to be someone NO ONE suspects but given where the idea originated and the amount of people for it...I think there is a definite win scenario for scum. I would post my notes but that would kind of be like coaching if they haven't already thought of it themselves.

This is what bothers me about Hoopla. If she is scum, then Pre Game they could have discussed this strategy and if they are thinking of the plan I saw that could work then we are screwed if we hold ourselves down to this. I mean it really doesn't INCREASE our odds, it's just more systematic and therefore less worrisome in the beginning. Down the road this could hurt us...although I am reluctant to say how for fear that will we still go through with it for the positive aspects and that no one will see my side and then I've given scum the game.

glowball · Post Post #285 (isolation #49) » Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:52 pm

That being said...I will go along with this plan, as far as claiming goes and I will see if it is worth it from there as far as Day 2 and Day 3 goes. Anything is worth trying, but if after we claim I don't see good odds as far as the groups go I will express my concerns.

So whenever you guys are ready I am a willing participant

glowball · Post Post #289 (isolation #50) » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:49 pm

Well I could explain it but it would probably be a bit confusing, because I have charted out almost every possibility for the splits to go and NKs and Lynches, Vig kills. So Just sit down and look at the plan and then get a piece of paper and draw it out and then draw it out again and go through EVERY phase. We CAN win this, but it definitely requires a level of hesistation because with a plan like this scum will have the strength of even more knowledge as they know what we will be doing, and for every action there is a counter action. I just hope that at any moment we need to be prepared with a plan B and people need to be ready to evacuate the plan if things go south, because if we mess up the plan is done for.

glowball · Post Post #290 (isolation #51) » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:54 pm

BTW I think we seriously need to consider that scum has thought about how to handle this situation because there was very little resistance to this plan, which is another reason I was skeptical. It was proposed to mass claim, something usually not pro-town this early and there wasn't much of a struggle from anyone besides myself- I mean questions here and there but nothing too intense. There are 3 mafia goons, and there aren't 3 people protesting the plan so chances are that scum have some idea how to beat this because if not they would just surrender Day 2.

Also, Neil your avatar makes ME smile- I want to have all of the Rock's babies!

glowball · Post Post #310 (isolation #52) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:40 am

DarkFlashlight wrote:
glowball wrote:Okay I took the time to look over this plan

Please explain this.

I took the time to look over this plan. I sat down,put my thinking cap on and used my eyes and brain to understand all possible outcomes.

DarkFlashlight wrote:

glowball wrote:Well I could explain it but it would probably be a bit confusing, because I have charted out almost every possibility for the splits to go and NKs and Lynches, Vig kills.

Where did you do this? A piece of paper?

Yes- and on my computer.

glowball · Post Post #327 (isolation #53) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:30 pm

I am so not in the mood for jake....I want to just get on with this whole thing COME ON

glowball · Post Post #346 (isolation #54) » Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:49 am

Amrun wrote:
Hoopla wrote:jake: unless you're going to lift your activty rate by 400% (I mean, be capable of posting nearly every day and keeping up with the game), I'd suggest replacing out, because you'll just fall behind again and hurt town deeper into the game, which is worse than cutting your losses now.

and...please

glowball · Post Post #351 (isolation #55) » Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:45 am

@Hoopla....why did you feel the need to reply to Swank?

glowball · Post Post #354 (isolation #56) » Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:32 am

Hoopla wrote:
glowball wrote:@Hoopla....why did you feel the need to reply to Swank?

Because it's a silly thing to say. And I thought it should be quoted in all its glory at the top of the new page.

Why did you feel the need to ask me that question?

I just find that scum tend to reply to things about themselves that didn't require any attention, it's like they are worried that someone else might agree so they are on the defensive- not to mention your response was just nothing.

I felt the need to ask you the question because that's part of the game.

glowball · Post Post #360 (isolation #57) » Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:13 pm

K, Um I'm getting weird today so I'll comment on this Oversoul case when I'm a little more clear headed.

Who did he replace again? he is a replacement,right? I'll look don't get up.

glowball · Post Post #361 (isolation #58) » Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:20 pm

NEVERMIND- He isn't a replacement.

I read the case and Oversoul just comes off as active lurking to me and then very opportunist with that case on neill. I mean if you ISO Oversoul he hasn't done much in this game until that case and to be fair I've seen scum just float under the radar.

glowball · Post Post #365 (isolation #59) » Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:28 pm

Oversoul you are scum. You are active lurking scum, who's decision to suddenly become active was based on the opportunity to corner neil since many player have some suspicions of him already.

Here are some things that bothered me...

Oversoul wrote:
zMuffinMan wrote:

Yes, it would neutralise one of town's PRs (in my plan, the det-psych), but here's the thing. Any sort of mass-claim is going to 'neutralise' at least one of the PRs. My plan protects what I consider to be the more useful PRs (vig-tracker, HT) in exchange for the sacrifice of the det-psych (baiting the N1 kill) and most probably the hider at some point.

You brought up the issue of counter-claims, but it's a non-issue, because the vig-tracker cannot be counter-claimed (he won't be claiming) and the HT issue I already proposed a solution. But here's the thing: even if the vig-tracker did claim and was counter-claimed D1, the real vig-tracker could choose to be a vig and vig the liar, and we'd have all our other PRs alive tomorrow. There is really no counter-claim issue here. So yes, I'm being dismissive.

Nothing scummy about the first part and it actually presents itself as a town read. However,
I am curious as to how the Hider Tracker is more beneficial than the hider itself
. Should the Hider even be chosen as the nightkill, scum will most likely lose a night.
Also, what point is there to the Hider Tracker if the Hider is publicly claiming who he is going to hide behind?
It seems contradictory.

Isn't the bolded what you accused Neil of? Fishing for tips for scum or scum trying to deduce the best kill and wanting more answers as to how the game will unfold so they can try to beat it. Not to mention, this is just hypocrisy since you bashed Neil for the same thing IMO.

Oversoul wrote:This seems to be the first notion that some believe Hoopla is scum and has orchestrated a grand scheme that looks beneficial to the town, but in some obscure way it puts them all in grave danger.
Perhaps in the scum QT (do they have one?) they have created their own plan beginning with this post?

I just love it when people try to fake town slips- they always sound so ignorant. Now I am not opposed to anyone being attacked and saying straight up "I am town" it's not helpful, but it's just more honest then playing dumb. Oversoul, if you are in 3 games and none of those seem to be newbie games although you only have 67 posts I am going to assume you have some offsite experience and I am also going to assume you've read the role PMs provided by the Mods on the first page of every game- MEANING you KNOW there is a QT and pretending that you don't know is just playing dumb. Town slip=failed.

Oversoul wrote:Even when the game is tipped in your favor? This post also shows that zMuffin is also willing to play the game as is, in a suboptimal fashion for the sake of not going against odds that are tipped in the town's favor. Surely he would know that given he already proposed an optimal situation and defended it in #83.

YOUR favor? Distance/Alignment slip? Odds, tipped all things scum would take heavy knowledge in- maybe this is a stretch but something about Oversoul isn't sitting right with me.

UNVOTE: Hoopla
VOTE: Oversoul

glowball · Post Post #370 (isolation #60) » Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:27 pm

Oversoul wrote:Muffin, you are null-leaning scum.

Glowball,
it is funny
you say those are slips when they aren't. And I can't accuse Muffin and Neil of doing the same thing? I don't need answers to my questions because I'm not looking for the answers. They are rhetorical questions. I hope your other reads aren't as wrong as this one, Glow.

You know what is really funny? How I never asked for answer-- don't jump on the defensive unless you intend on actually addressing the points I made instead of trying to discredit them through patronizing mockery.

glowball · Post Post #373 (isolation #61) » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:08 pm

Whatevs....I also want to make sure if we are going through with this plan we aren't OUTING any power roles. I just want people to come forward and say that they have a power role-- no claiming the exact power role. This way at least scum will be aiming in the dark to find who they want....

glowball · Post Post #375 (isolation #62) » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:13 pm

How are we handling counter claims?

glowball · Post Post #381 (isolation #63) » Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:02 pm

I swear my head is going to explode if jakesh is scum stalling for no lynch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UGH

UNVOTE

VOTE: Jakesh97

glowball · Post Post #382 (isolation #64) » Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:04 pm

Oversoul...I still think you are scum, because you are. However, I want to personally strangle Jakesh sooooooooooooooo there's my new vote-deal.

glowball · Post Post #409 (isolation #65) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:32 am

OKAY...my vote on jakesh was out of frustration but seriously if he isn't going to get replaced I am going to vote him...I mean he picked up his fucking prod and he's making us wait for nothing...I wouldn't over look what he is doing as scummy- you may see it as null but I don't. We won't do the claiming without him it seems and if he's scum that's perfect then we have to quick lynch just to back the deadline or no lynch and let scum do as they wish. I just know if he's town he needs to get in here soon

glowball · Post Post #430 (isolation #66) » Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:14 pm

Amrun wrote:I like you!

ew.

glowball · Post Post #446 (isolation #67) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:44 am

5 bucks says that scum is not voting....any takers????

oh BTW

UNVOTE

glowball · Post Post #451 (isolation #68) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:12 am

I honestly think someone should summarize the "plan" for pacman- it will make this whole thing go faster...that way he can voice any concerns and then read over the thread when he has time to find out who he thinks is scum and so on...

glowball · Post Post #455 (isolation #69) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:35 am

I WAS very against it and I am still very apprehensive I mean mass claiming Day 1? but I looked over the planned and saw the possible outcomes- it is very systematic although I have found that it isn't 100% scum can manipulate these numbers if they want and it was Hoopla's plan to begin with so if she's scum I am sure she's prepared for that...but I do want to see how the claiming is going to go. I am a little hesitant though, and if the claiming doesn't go in the direction I think it should then I may pull out.

glowball · Post Post #460 (isolation #70) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:50 am

Since Amrun already started...I want to go in this order and we are ONLY claiming by PR or NO PR

Hoopla
Oversoul
MuffinMan
Quilford
DarkFlashLight
Andrew
Pacman
Neil
LittleGrey
Swankadelic

glowball · Post Post #464 (isolation #71) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:56 am

Fine. I guess... it will go quicker if we just go by whoever signs on- BUT if that is the case I don't want to hear anyone say "oh you are only claiming that because someone else claimed first" claiming order is NULL.

glowball · Post Post #466 (isolation #72) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:57 am

go for it...

glowball · Post Post #467 (isolation #73) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:57 am

WAIT just PR or NO PR

glowball · Post Post #470 (isolation #74) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:59 am

you look like toast!

Deal with it...

glowball · Post Post #477 (isolation #75) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:08 pm

DarkFlashlight wrote:Claim: Not PR

Let's get rolling, I can't honestly see how order would matter at all. In the end, if there's a CC, there's a CC. Scum will have to deal with the circumstance either way.

Glowball, I know you said you wanted to claim last, and I won't argue with that, but try to check back frequently so we don't have to wait for you to claim last when you could've right now.

At what point since my V/LA have you had to wait for me? I am here all the time and we've only got 6 claims...when I screw up bash me for it, until then calm down.

@evilpacman...just because Hoopla came up with the idea, doesnt make her obvtown--the plan can be manipulated and to call obvtown so soon after you've replaced in worries me....

Anyways...so that's 7 claims???

glowball · Post Post #479 (isolation #76) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:10 pm

evilpacman18 wrote:
glowball wrote:
DarkFlashlight wrote:Claim: Not PR

Let's get rolling, I can't honestly see how order would matter at all. In the end, if there's a CC, there's a CC. Scum will have to deal with the circumstance either way.

Glowball, I know you said you wanted to claim last, and I won't argue with that, but try to check back frequently so we don't have to wait for you to claim last when you could've right now.

At what point since my V/LA have you had to wait for me? I am here all the time and we've only got 6 claims...when I screw up bash me for it, until then calm down.

@evilpacman...just because Hoopla came up with the idea, doesnt make her obvtown--the plan can be manipulated and to call obvtown so soon after you've replaced in worries me....

Anyways...so that's 7 claims???

This would be one hell of a scum gambit.

It's not a gambit if you never really risk anything-- if she's figured out how to manipulate the numbers then it's a done deal

glowball · Post Post #482 (isolation #77) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:27 pm

evilpacman18 wrote:
glowball wrote:
evilpacman18 wrote:
glowball wrote:
DarkFlashlight wrote:Claim: Not PR

Let's get rolling, I can't honestly see how order would matter at all. In the end, if there's a CC, there's a CC. Scum will have to deal with the circumstance either way.

Glowball, I know you said you wanted to claim last, and I won't argue with that, but try to check back frequently so we don't have to wait for you to claim last when you could've right now.

At what point since my V/LA have you had to wait for me? I am here all the time and we've only got 6 claims...when I screw up bash me for it, until then calm down.

@evilpacman...just because Hoopla came up with the idea, doesnt make her obvtown--the plan can be manipulated and to call obvtown so soon after you've replaced in worries me....

Anyways...so that's 7 claims???

This would be one hell of a scum gambit.

It's not a gambit if you never really risk anything-- if she's figured out how to manipulate the numbers then it's a done deal

Maybe, but if she can find holes in the plan, why can't we?

I have...I just refuse to help scum win the game, but if you take the time to play out all possible scenarios then you might find some too.

glowball · Post Post #485 (isolation #78) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:39 pm

evilpacman18 wrote:
I guess it's remotely possible that scum Hoopla's plan backfired on her
. But I won't be voting her any time soon.

glow, I'm not saying the plan is perfect and maybe I would have been more against it had I been given a real choice, but it makes it VERY difficult for scum to win. The odds are better than a traditional game, which is the whole point of the plan.

I don't think anything's backfired on her- we haven't done anything yet except go along with her plan and she may be town but I have some serious doubts. All I am saying is that the plan isn't 100% and nothing is, but I say that this plan doesn't increase our odds in fact it puts all of our eggs in one basket that basically depends on the Vig. It is a systematic plan to weed out scum, so people flock to it because it seems easier to have a plan each day- but being predictable means scum can be 2 steps ahead. Systematic =/= Better Odds.

glowball · Post Post #491 (isolation #79) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:45 pm

Andrew was online like over an hour ago
Swank was on about 5 hours ago
Little Grey was on about 8 hours ago

Andrew and Swank have been online since we agreed to start claiming and Little Grey hasn't posted in like 4 days....

I don't have a good feeling about Andrew...

@MOD-- Did you/Could you make a count down for the deadline? I have no idea what GMT is...

glowball · Post Post #498 (isolation #80) » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:20 am

zMuffinMan wrote:It's pretty obvious glowball is the last pr, but whatever.

What makes you say that?

glowball · Post Post #501 (isolation #81) » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:38 am

evilpacman18 wrote:
neil1113 wrote:
Secret Project wrote:I just wanted to post in this thread on this account cuz it's weird being a hydra with someone then playing under them.

Who are you, exactly?

Are you blind or stupid?

That is unnecessary-- you could just answer the question, while you may think it's obvious he doesn't. I do not tolerate rudeness towards me or others.

glowball · Post Post #503 (isolation #82) » Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:11 pm

GRRRRR

Claim:No PR

glowball · Post Post #506 (isolation #83) » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:10 pm

Is it possible that the three holding up the claiming are scum? I mean none of them were on my scumdar but they have all been online since we started claiming and for them to overlook this thread is kind of hard to believe especially for Swank because he was contributing quite a bit.

glowball · Post Post #509 (isolation #84) » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:36 pm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah I totally missed it- sorry about that. Just littlegrey and Swank...I am still suspicious though

glowball · Post Post #515 (isolation #85) » Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:22 am

@Mod: chkballin is the best hydra ever..just saying

glowball · Post Post #517 (isolation #86) » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:38 pm

Oh I am sorry to hear that...but why not just replace out? I realize the game is already lagging, but this may be one more thing we don't need.

glowball · Post Post #520 (isolation #87) » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:35 pm

Did anyone want to lynch LittleGrey or Swank today? If not- I say we just start the second round of claiming for the lynch pool and vig pool and get on with it... I mean there are what 3 goons? and only 2 people missing- so let's just start.... I am tired of waiting- I mean I doubt either one of them is the vig because honestly they've both been on and if either one of them was I would expect that they would be more active.

glowball · Post Post #522 (isolation #88) » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:52 pm

oh well nevermind....

glowball · Post Post #542 (isolation #89) » Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:01 am

zMuffinMan- I think you are scum fake claiming but I have no proof! It's like you are taunting us with your scumminess and I won't stand for it!

I also think proceeding works better because we've kept our PRs hidden to a certain extent since there are only 2 people claiming and I mean if there is already a scum fake claiming he's narrowed it down even more. It'll be harder for them to pick a night kill and get the PR that they want...

If LittleGrey and Swank are scum we will find out soon enough with their replacements and it won't be the end of the game.

I mean the way I see it- replacements hardly ever get lynched anyway...everyone wants to "give them a chance" so we can wait if you guys are serious about lynching them- but I doubt it, because I haven't seen much just cause to get Little Grey lynched and Swank WAS a town read of mine-however this lurking is making me think otherwise.

glowball · Post Post #548 (isolation #90) » Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:16 am

Can we just lynch Muff--- he's obviously scum, or just annoying town playing against his win condition.

glowball · Post Post #551 (isolation #91) » Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:57 am

I am not for policy lynching either-- but I am going to shoot myself in the head if we find out he was scum and we just let him taunt us.

glowball · Post Post #556 (isolation #92) » Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:36 am

zMuffinMan wrote:No, glowball.

Your job as unconfirmed town is to get lynched or vigged.

My job as confirmed town (pending the remaining two claims) is to sit back and laugh as you get lynched or vigged.

I don't particularly care what you think, and I'm just waiting for this claiming crap to be over and done with.

You aren't confirmed town- and no one can be since Swank and LittleGrey are gone. All I know is that in the last game we were in together you weren't playing like this and you were town, I can only assume this behavior is Muff as scum.

Why does no one else have a problem with this? I mean we obviously have to do something whether we get claims or not.

glowball · Post Post #558 (isolation #93) » Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:50 am

Funny...

I thought there COULD be scum in the people that were lurking/stalling the claims, but I also made it clear that before they went MIA neither one of them was a suspect of mine. Right now, I think you are scum because there is no reason as town to behave the way you are behaving, especially considering your behavior in other games- this could be an obvscum strategy because you know that no one will take you seriously and if by chance you make it through this claim you've won.

Tell me this...why are you acting this way? why would you want me to think you are scum?

glowball · Post Post #560 (isolation #94) » Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:01 am

this is exactly why I didn't want to go through with this plan...

glowball · Post Post #562 (isolation #95) » Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:59 am

Amrun wrote:Why? You're taking zmuffin too seriously. If there are ccs, we will tackle that then. There is plenty of information for cases available.

Maybe you aren't taking him seriously enough. I am just a cautious player and I don't find arrogant, hostile anti-town behavior enjoyable or necessary....I mean it isn't helpful at all so as town why would you do it?

glowball · Post Post #564 (isolation #96) » Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:10 am

I know that, but I've played with him before and he's been much more helpful as town-- given previous game experience I have reason to take him seriously.

glowball · Post Post #566 (isolation #97) » Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:56 pm

I'm not mistaken- I've played with you. It is my opinion based on my experiences that you are more helpful as town- what happens after claiming is yet to be determined. Although, I suggest we start figuring out what we are going to do if this claiming thing doesn't go over well- we are waiting on 2 replacements and who knows if they will agree...plus we still have a deadline.

glowball · Post Post #568 (isolation #98) » Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:49 pm

he wants the attention obviously...

glowball · Post Post #570 (isolation #99) » Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:12 pm

Awesome.

glowball · Post Post #575 (isolation #100) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:09 am

It's supposed to be volunteers....so that the vig can stay hidden and doesn't have to out themselves to save themselves from being lynched- although that also means scum get to choose and I don't like that.

But if we need volunteers--I'll be in the lynch pool.

glowball · Post Post #576 (isolation #101) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:10 am

Wait...no. We need the replacements in first---if they continue claiming without problems then I will be in the lynch pool.

glowball · Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:24 am

idk...all I know is that the vig isn't in the lynch pool....I think.

glowball · Post Post #580 (isolation #103) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:34 pm

So basically Oversoul is stalking me- I feel my life is in danger.

glowball · Post Post #582 (isolation #104) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:41 pm

Oversoul wrote:
glowball wrote:So basically Oversoul is stalking me- I feel my life is in danger.

It's okay, I'm not scum and I'm not the vig.

If you were scum you'd tell me, right?!

glowball · Post Post #584 (isolation #105) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:50 pm

Oversoul wrote:
glowball wrote:
Oversoul wrote:
glowball wrote:So basically Oversoul is stalking me- I feel my life is in danger.

It's okay, I'm not scum and I'm not the vig.

If you were scum you'd tell me, right?!

Ya, and for the record, you switched into my game. So you're stalking me lol

Toast would say that...

glowball · Post Post #587 (isolation #106) » Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:48 pm

MARATHON DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy 4th you guys!

glowball · Post Post #605 (isolation #107) » Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:46 am

silverbullet? ugh...this guy again.

glowball · Post Post #615 (isolation #108) » Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:59 pm

neil1113 wrote:
Big Bad Moddy Man wrote:Tell your friends! Tell your family!

"And tell your husbands too, cuz they b replacin errybody out here!"

ha.
ha.
antoine. dodson.

glowball · Post Post #619 (isolation #109) » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:06 pm

@Mod: Can you make sure to update the player list when you find the remaining replacements, all these changes are throwing off my reads. I need to know who is replacing who...

glowball · Post Post #622 (isolation #110) » Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:38 pm

Oversoul wrote:
evilpacman18 wrote:
glowball wrote:
reads

lol

lol

why is everyone laughing?

glowball · Post Post #629 (isolation #111) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:30 am

Amrun wrote:Sorry.

Okay guys... Do we wait for swankslot to possibly cc or proceed?

I'll cc right now.

glowball · Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:40 am

I lied. Simple as that, and I know what the scum will say about me "why would you lie if you are town?" Because. I didn't like this plan or outing all of our PRs.

Now, I propose that we don't lynch any of the PRs and we don't go massclaiming.We continue on as normal lynching and viggging, and the scum will eventually be outed as they attempt to knock off the other PRs.

I hope you all forgive me, and I know there will be backlash.

glowball · Post Post #637 (isolation #113) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:05 pm

No--- I didn't claim because I didn't want to give them the edge of having PRs to pick from, but I had to counter if we got too many because if I make it to end game and I pull out a claim because I know that the other person is scum I think it's less believeable. At least this way I am forcing scums hand to either keep me around or out themselves when they target all the PRs. I mean if I get lynched for it, it'll just make everyone MORE positive that I was telling the truth when I flip so I see it as a win/win. The town knows one of the PRs is scum.

Well blacklist if you must, but I caught scum...all you guys have to do is wait.

I don't want the massclaim, I want our PRs to remain specifically hidden, there is NO point in outing them the plan can still work. This way scum will have to kill aimlessly. By end game, or probably before, the scum hiding in PRs will have outed himself-willingly or unwillingly.

Just change the set up Lynch Pool of 3/Vig Pool of 4

glowball · Post Post #660 (isolation #114) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:52 pm

OKAY as much as I don't like Mufff WE ARE NOT MASS CLAIMING PRs in this day phase... we need at least one night with all of our PRs. We can see if it's worth sorting out tomorrow. No need to give scum a better advantage. There are two other scum out there, no need to sweat over one in the PR pool they cannot hide forever.

glowball · Post Post #674 (isolation #115) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:06 pm

Quilford wrote:Silver replaced in and claimed PR, right? She was second last of all of us to claim, correct? Glowball then cc'd (which I think was an excellent move), and we have one more PR claim than we should.

If Silver's the fake PR then Swankedelic is almost certainly scum as well; she would have known that it was safe to claim the last PR slot
without any chance of a cc, provided everyone was telling the truth (which Glow didn't).

I like this- it shows though. However, scum would have to know that someone

wasn't

telling the truth if there were only 2 claims when there were supposed to be 3. So although the possibility of Silver AND Swank being scum is a possibility it's more likely that Silver is scum by himself who possibly miscalculated the set up and thought everyone had already claimed or that scum is in an earlier claimer like zMuffinMan who was prepared to face a counterclaim or thought that one of us wouldn't claim.

I would like to follow through with the plan as a 3/4 split. I would also like to see who volunteers for the lynch pool. So, how does everyone feel about carrying on with the plan and leaving the PR sorting to the scum? Like I said, that fake claim will HAVE to eventually out himself if they start PR hunting they just narrow down the possibilities.

glowball · Post Post #677 (isolation #116) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:25 pm

neil1113 wrote:It's pretty obvious either Silver or Muffin are the ones lying. I'm pretty confident in Glow and Oversoul as real PR's. So here's something I propose:

Why don't we ask one of them to claim their role? Whichever one we are more confident in being the liar (which seems to be apparent is Silver from the two) and this way we're not outing all the power roles? When said person claims, we see if we have a counter claim. If not, we lynch the other. If we do, we lynch them? And if we're wrong between Muffin and Silver, and neither turn out to be scum or CC'd, then the vig shoots one of the other two, which then gives the vig a 50/50 chance of hitting scum instead of a 1/4 chance. It nearly guarantees a scum kill by the start of Day 2, and it promises at least one scum revealed by Day 2 as well.

NINJA'D
The problem with this is that scum will claim a PR that they want outed. So even if we lynch that one scum there are 2 others that will attempt to kill the real PR and we have no PRs for protection. For instance, some people think that the Det/Psy is a very valuable role- scum fake claiming this role would force the real person into cc-ing thus outing themselves for the NK. I would prefer to not make things so easy for scum and we just lynch out of the pools like we had planned originally- AT LEAST for one night phase leave everyone claiming PR alone while we gather information

glowball · Post Post #679 (isolation #117) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:36 pm

I'm torn because zMuffinMan is being extremely scummy and isn't even trying to change his attitude. I am trying to figure out if he's just being a jerk or acting out like childish scum. Either way it's upsetting because if he is town then he's making this harder than necessary.

glowball · Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:10 am

evilpacman18 wrote:
Amrun wrote:You have a townread on glowball, too, or did you forget, pacman?

I like neil's plan better. The 5/3 spliy was good for a particular reason which no longer exists with 2 scum and a 4/3 split. If we MUST do the split today, then it should be a 2/5 split (2 in lynch, 5 in vig).

Quil, are you replacing out or not?

Yes I have a townread on glowball and I don't see her gambiting like this as scum but it's quite possible
and I like to stick to lynch all liars policy.
In other words I had a town read. Now I have a weak town read.

So, do you think it would be in the town's best interest to lynch me today?

Also, here are some brief reads.
Oversoul=town
Neil=town
Muff=null
Amrun=null
Pacman=scum
Silverbullet=scum
Hoopla=null???
Quilford=town
andrew=leaning scum
DarkFlashlight=leaning town
Swank=town...based on all of the posts before but currently I have nothing to go off of.

glowball · Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:33 am

For Serious? Chkflip? I'll kill you in your sleep bro <3

andrew94 wrote:i dont like how glowball's scum reads are just full of people she doesnt like

Feelerscum- any takers???? I'll take a stab at it...
I don't like how andrew94 asserts his feelings and opinions as if it's actual scumhunting...

glowball · Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:01 am

DarkFlashlight wrote:So...

Lynch Pool:

Hoopla
Andrew

Vig Pool:

Chk (Swank)
Darkie
Neil
Amrun
Quilford
Coventry (Pac (Jake))

PR's:

Glowball
Muffin
Oversoul
Silver (LittleGrey)

The order we lynch the two in the lynch pool really doesn't matter, we're not gonna hit MYLO before both of them are gone; what we need to discuss is who the vig should kill, making sure that we throw out at least two main options every night, because if basically everyone is settled on one person, and that person isn't the vigkill, it makes who the vig is pretty obvious.

Also, what are we doing with Hider? We had a long talk about that, but I can't remember the outcome, I don't think there was one.

UNVOTE: Quilford
VOTE: Andrew

I'd prefer we didn't discuss any FINAL decisions and leave those up to the respective PR...I mean if the hider says where he is going to hide scum can kill 2 townies or manipulate and try to WIFOM with a framing claim. It just gets sticky so I just suggest that the hider does what feels best keeping in mind that if the person you hide behind dies you die too, and if you hide behind scum you die. Scum will probably target PRs, and the vig is shooting in the vig pool...just choose wisely.

btw...why no love for Andrew? VOTE: Hoopla

glowball · Post Post #769 (isolation #121) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:21 am

Yeah zMuffinMan is losing it and I want Hoopla lynched. She called for this plan, and I want to know whether or not the idea was birthed from town or scum.

glowball · Post Post #775 (isolation #122) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:28 pm

Okay anyone who has played a game as scum on Mafiascum knows that before the game officially starts scum have access to their QT, so don't say that you couldn't have had the chance to communicate a plan with your team

glowball · Post Post #785 (isolation #123) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:49 pm

Hey zMuffinMan, why don't you bless us with some player reads while we are just chatting it up here....

glowball · Post Post #788 (isolation #124) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:03 pm

I am hearing impaired if that is what you are getting at,but I look pretty sexy in these glasses I have on...

Your bold words don't do much for me, I need READS from you, not Process of Elimination by my own hand...So can you just tell me who is scum and most importantly WHY?

glowball · Post Post #789 (isolation #125) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:04 pm

glowball wrote:I am
hearing

VISUALLY
impaired if that is what you are getting at,but I look pretty sexy in these glasses I have on...

Your bold words don't do much for me, I need READS from you, not Process of Elimination by my own hand...So can you just tell me who is scum and most importantly WHY?

lol, I meant visually....and apparently there is a lot more wrong with me than just that

glowball · Post Post #791 (isolation #126) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:07 pm

Okay, good- baby steps.... so why are they town?

glowball · Post Post #796 (isolation #127) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:25 pm

L

O

L

Let's just say this...Muff, if you keep acting this way you will lose this for town IF YOU ARE TOWN, because your behavior isn't conducive to a pro-town player and it will be very easy for scum to claim that you are the PR fake claiming-I'd believe it. Now whether you are pulling this as a tactic to make it to end game as town or scum still means that you lose- because there is NO ONE right now that I find scummier than you and I know that some players can see it the same way...So can you just sort yourself out and actually be helpful or is this just going to be it all game?

glowball · Post Post #798 (isolation #128) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:44 pm

and being a jerk totally makes people want to listen to you....If you are right, then you should portray that in better way then being aggressive and just plain rude at this point.

glowball · Post Post #803 (isolation #129) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:02 pm

I used to think policy lynches were stupid...and then I met zMuffinMan and I stopped caring whether he was town or scum I just wanted him gone.

glowball · Post Post #814 (isolation #130) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:17 pm

Neill very well might be scum, but guess what?! MuffinMan is being such a jerk right now I can't see anything but that....I need to clear my thoughts, so I can see how Quilford would think a no lynch would be good- but we put ourselves in a predicament with this plan and OBVIOUSLY everyone wasn't on board we've only got two volunteers and now people don't want to lynch them. So now scum know who the PRs are. I will only vote to lynch Hoopla or Muff today (short of some miracle)- take that however you want.

glowball · Post Post #820 (isolation #131) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:25 pm

Oversoul wrote:I don't think zMuffinMan would be this arrogant as scum unless he had something he could prove later on. I still suspect Silverbullet and Neil and wish someone would vig them tonight.

However, we must not stray from the path that Hoopla set out for us. If zMuffinMan *is* scum then you are all playing into his hand. He is getting under your skin, he is getting you to move away from the well established 2 lynch pool. He is making you all make irrational decisions.

Also, Quilford, a no lynch would give scum the upper advantage to take a free shot at our PRs of course depending on who they would kill it would free up a lot of possibilities, but I don't want to risk a PR.

Let's just say this Oversoul- you consult with Hoopla a lot, and so does Muffin so I can only take what you say so much. IF in fact Muffin is scum, I wouldn't be playing into his hand...I'D BE LYNCHING SCUM.

glowball · Post Post #821 (isolation #132) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:27 pm

btw.... since when is being a jerk part of the game??? What does it help and accomplish? If you are town you get lynched and possibly help lose for your team and if you are scum you get lynched and possibly help lose for your team.

glowball · Post Post #826 (isolation #133) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:30 pm

I've asked you to cooperate and your refusal may be your own downfall. BE HELPFUL, stop being rude and anti-town IT IS DISTRACTING AND UNNECESSARY so shut that shit down NOW. That's all I ask, why refuse if you are town????

And as for how scum WOULD play, WIFOM for generic playstyle blah blah blah

glowball · Post Post #831 (isolation #134) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:35 pm

neil1113 wrote:
zMuffinMan wrote:neil, you're scum.

I don't need proof. I'm right.

derp, derp, derp, I must be scum because I don't have proof.

So far no one has taken the time to actually read through my wall post. Cool.

*sigh*

Can we lynch him now?

Neill you aren't off the hook- although I know you'd love a mislynch as scum. Calm down-- I am giving Muffin a chance whether he takes it or not is up to him,.

glowball · Post Post #833 (isolation #135) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:36 pm

zMuffinMan wrote:neil, you're scum.

I don't need proof. I'm right.

derp, derp, derp, I must be scum because I don't have proof.

So far no one has taken the time to actually read through my wall post. Cool.

I read your wall...it makes sense what doesn't make sense is your behavior and you need to realize that it is making it hard to trust/believe/listen to anything you have to say no matter how much sense you think you make.

glowball · Post Post #839 (isolation #136) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:44 pm

neil1113 wrote:Are you serious Muffin? Glow? Quil? Is my mislynch really more important then the fact that I'm
NOT SCUM
?

Okay, we'll play by your game. Let's do this. I'm tired of this game anyways, and it'd probably help from me possibly having to be replaced from the missions trip I'm going on Sat. If this is what it'll take to show you all how wrong you are, so be it. I'm the vig.

UNVOTE: Muffin

VOTE: Neil_1113

Good game.

First of all that wasn't hammer so why the defeatist so long? Anyways, if you are the vig why let Muff get to you? You could kill him during the night, right? This is just all bad- unless you are scum trying to fish out the real vig for a counter claim. I would prefer that if there is a counter claim that no one step up just yet this whole thing could be a ploy and I am a little afraid.

glowball · Post Post #842 (isolation #137) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:45 pm

Quilford wrote:If there are counterclaims I want them.

Slow your role....let's talk about this. If Neil is telling the truth we lose him tonight anyway- we have no protections.

glowball · Post Post #844 (isolation #138) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:46 pm

Quilford wrote:...

He would most certainly NOT kill Muffin during the night.

If he is SO SURE he's scum then he could. I never said it's a good idea, because it'd be shitty if he was wrong.

glowball · Post Post #846 (isolation #139) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:47 pm

zMuffinMan wrote:I don't even know what to say apart from, "Why?"

That's just beyond dumb.

If you're actually the vig, why not just replace out if you don't want to play?

And no, no one is going to counter-claim this.

The correct thing to do today is to lynch someone else with no counter-claim.

see what you've done MUFFIN?!?!?! Shall we out more PRs??? I mean bravo if you are scum-

glowball · Post Post #847 (isolation #140) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:48 pm

neil1113 wrote:
glowball wrote:
Quilford wrote:...

He would most certainly NOT kill Muffin during the night.

If he is SO SURE he's scum then he could. I never said it's a good idea, because it'd be shitty if he was wrong.

Muffin was in the PR group, not the vig group. So I wouldn't have done anything anyways, because me going behind the back of the town to vig him would be just as anti-town (especially if I was wrong) as his play so far.

so why'd you claim? Why would you let scum win? I mean if Muffin got to you and he is scum- what did you do? You rolled over....not impressed.

glowball · Post Post #850 (isolation #141) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:51 pm

Quilford wrote:

PEDIT: Glowball, what the fuck are you talking about?

\

What the fuck are you talking about...I've been straight forward.

glowball · Post Post #852 (isolation #142) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:54 pm

Quilford wrote:
glowball wrote:
zMuffinMan wrote:I don't even know what to say apart from, "Why?"

That's just beyond dumb.

If you're actually the vig, why not just replace out if you don't want to play?

And no, no one is going to counter-claim this.

The correct thing to do today is to lynch someone else with no counter-claim.

see what you've done MUFFIN?!?!?! Shall we out more PRs??? I mean bravo if you are scum-

glowball wrote:
Quilford wrote:If there are counterclaims I want them.

Slow your role....let's talk about this. If Neil is telling the truth we lose him tonight anyway- we have no protections.

What are you
on
?

K you lost me...can you put together an actual question besides just posting quotes? That would help- okay, yeah...thanks.

BTW as much fun as this is I'll be afk for the next 40minutes.

glowball · Post Post #854 (isolation #143) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:54 pm

chkflip wrote:
Quilford wrote:If there are counterclaims I want them.

I know
someone
else HAS to be reading Quilscum here. Check the ISO. This is getting ridiculous.

glowball · Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:14 pm

Hoopla wrote:Vig and scum kills resolve simultaneously - you still get a shot if you get shot tonight. One kill isn't better than another.

Yeah Neil you still get a shot. Personally, I'd prefer you shoot Hoopla or Andrew....chkflip is town IMO because Swank was a town player. Just be smart about the one shot you will get.

glowball · Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:30 pm

BTW Hoopla, why do you want chkflip or quilford vigged? I don't recall you having problems with Swank, also why not DarkFlashlight...you said you wouldn't be surprised if he was scum?

Ugh, Chkflip- I said I am only lynching Hoopla or Muff today...get with the program.

glowball · Post Post #907 (isolation #146) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:50 am

OKay people, stop saying that zMuffinMan seems like town. HE DOES NOT SEEM LIKE TOWN. He is just being aggressive and mean. He is pushing an agenda, that has been virtually destroyed. The only reason I have heard from people as to why is seems town is because "if he were scum, he wouldn't want to make himself a target like that". Are you serious?! You think he doesn't know that people think that way? I floated to endgame in my first newbie game because people thought I wouldn't act the way I was acting as scum. Get with it- different players, different tactics. He's just so scummy, that he must be town? NO. He's just scum.

glowball · Post Post #926 (isolation #147) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:08 pm

Okay part of me has just confirmed Silver as an actual PR because why would someone fake claim and then replace out. I mean fake claiming infers some sort of plan or stake in the game and then to just abandon it??? Doesn't make sense to me...

glowball · Post Post #928 (isolation #148) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:30 pm

Yeah but if he hasn't even caught up he'd have to have some pretty big cojones to just out and fake claim PR...

glowball · Post Post #948 (isolation #149) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:43 am

Today's lynch should be Hoopla, I think it provides more information regardless of the flip
If she flips town vig DarkFlashlight investigate one of the scummier PRs, and the hider can hide anywhere but behind neil, because he's probably going to die.

If she flips scum vig andrew/quilford, investigate zMuffinMan/Oversoul, and the hider can still hide anywhere but behind neil.

Those are just some ideas, options for PRs tonight. Everyone obviously will do what they want...just make good decisions

glowball · Post Post #952 (isolation #150) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:35 pm

...then stop trying to understand. I have my methods you have yours. They were just suggestions, but I never implied that the hider would hide behind the vig it was just a friendly reminder not to.

glowball · Post Post #995 (isolation #151) » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:22 pm

SORRY SORRY SORRY--- family issues for the past couple of days kept me away from the computer in all my games actually....

YoYoGuy435 wrote:
chkflip wrote:Who'd you investigate?

I investigated Oversoul and since it's town autowin I'll go ahead and out my report. He didn't kill anyone.

NULL- Neil could have placed the kill and since no townies died that means no scum has killed anyone...this proves rather useless.

Overtoast(you know I say that with tons of <3), any reason you need to claim last?

I am very happy with this outcome and I will say that I feel I had a hand in this success. I've never been in a game with scum occupying the first day's kills. I'll go ahead and claim because scum has no chance even if they counter me and you guys think I am scum you'll lynch them after my flip soooooooooooooooo. I'm the hider tracker, but I currently have inquiries out the Mod so I have to wait for the verification and as soon as I get my answers, I can answer any questions...

glowball · Post Post #999 (isolation #152) » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:12 pm

DarkFlashlight wrote:I come back expecting to be vigged because of my protecting of Coventry D1, and then turn out to be conftown, assuming no PR claim is just a saboteur townie. So that's fun. Neil COMPLETELY fucked Maf; I have no clue why he did that gambit, he wasn't even under pressure.

Let's get those other PR claims and easy win.

Stop speculating on who you think will be a CC. You're just giving the liar ideas. Not that it really matters overall, but it'd be cool to sweep in my first non-newbie game onsite.

Why would you investigate Oversoul? He's like, everyone's least concern. (DAMN YOU, AMRUN, STEALING MY THOUGHTS AND POSTING THEM BEFORE ME.)

Also, hi, YoYo, this place feels just like home.

Can we assume that scum ran out of time for their kill? Or the WIFOM version of the same idea?

YoYoGuy (silverbullet999) --> Detective
zMuffinMan --> ???
Oversoul --> ???
glowball --> Hider Tracker

Like you said it doesn't matter. We've won. Sweeping would be nice, but it's not necessary and as for giving them tips? There are none to give- they've already fake claimed and it doesn't matter who they counter. You know that, I know that- this game is over. I'm surprised that they haven't surrendered. I mean when I say NO HOPE I mean it.

glowball · Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:44 pm

zMuffinMan wrote:ps: investigated quilford, but I got no PM back, so I guess that means no result? Not too sure.

that shit is confirmed! Same problem over this way...no PM

VOTE: Yoyo

glowball · Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:20 pm

We got this... and now NO ONE can complain about the first 30 pages of planning. We planned and then the plan went to crap and we had auto win. THE STARS WERE ALIGNED aka this scumteam was garbage and the replacements killed some people...

glowball · Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:22 pm

Quick Lynch is alright with me...seriously- hammer this.

glowball · Sat Jul 23, 2011 6:13 pm

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE THAT ME WITHHOLDING MY PR CLAIM CAUGHT OPPORTUNISTIC SCUM- YOU SHOULD BE FOREVER GRATEFUL.

...oh a less arrogant note- I knew we didn't need that plan, but I definitely think this game could have been played better from the scum POV, I mean Conventry I think was pure luck for the first wagon, Neil's claim was ridiculous almost as if he thought the real vig would counter- a very newbesque mistake, and Yoyo didn't stand a chance because Silver had to play opportunistic scumz.

glowball · Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:51 pm

I thought you were scum.

glowball · Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:16 pm

what if every scum fake claimed....it'd take up a lot of time lynching...

glowball · Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:23 pm

I understand Neil, but it's up to the PLAYER to choose Tracker or Vig it is NOT picked by the Mod like Psych or Detective. So it's kind of assumed that we had a Vigilante because who really picks Tracker? Vigs are much more useful to town