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Post Post #150 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:04 am

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Actually...

neil wrote:What's your take on how easy the vig could get lynched / pointed out if all the scum hide in the no-claim pool?


This isn't really a concern.

We should go ahead with this, with a 4/5 split. No more questions or hints for scum. And no more discussion about what would or wouldn't be optimal for scum.
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Post Post #151 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:04 am

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Also, if we do go ahead with this, I have some things I will discuss after mass claims are over.
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Post Post #152 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:45 am

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zMuffinMan wrote:Also, if we do go ahead with this, I have some things I will discuss after mass claims are over.


Wouldn't it be better to discuss before hand, incase Hoopla has overlooked something?
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Post Post #153 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:28 am

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Post Post #154 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:59 am

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No, 3/6 split is better. It almost guarantees scum in both pools.
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Post Post #155 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:08 am

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Amrun wrote:No, 3/6 split is better. It almost guarantees scum in both pools.


Agreed. This seems most optimal for town.
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Post Post #156 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:13 am

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Amrun wrote:No, 3/6 split is better. It almost guarantees scum in both pools.


I like this a lot better then 4/5. Also, Muffin, is there a reason you're shushing my point? Or am I overlooking it?
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Post Post #157 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:06 am

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Amrun wrote:No, 3/6 split is better. It almost guarantees scum in both pools.


I'm starting to come around to the belief that 3/6 is more beneficial since the Hider isn't doing anything. It means even if scum all hide within the no-claim/vig pool, they've only narrowed the vig down to a 1/3 chance. If scum want to take that 1/3 chance of hitting the vig, I welcome it, because a miss all but guarantees a town win, as they've just closed down our pool without closing down the other PR's.

It also means that they have a 3/5 chance of being vigged, unless they want to give us a 1/3 chance of lynching them today, which I expect is their "safest" option.
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Post Post #158 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:40 am

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Okay, well if no one really cares that I am against this then why don't you all start mass claiming and get it over with...
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Post Post #159 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:41 am

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glowball wrote:Okay, well if no one really cares that I am against this then why don't you all start mass claiming and get it over with...


What are your objections?
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Post Post #160 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:44 am

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Does it even matter? Everyone is on board, so go for it...
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Post Post #161 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:47 am

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It matters.
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Post Post #162 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:49 am

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Minds are made up and that's fine. I don't fully understand it or agree with it so I won't be participating in a mass claim day one. I would rather lynch the idea behind this to see if their motivation was in the right place and then go forward.
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Post Post #163 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:58 am

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Have you read the thread yet? If so, what don't you understand? What about it don't you agree with?

How do you expect us to go through with this plan if you are not participating?

There is no point in lynching Hoopla and then proceeding.
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Post Post #164 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:04 am

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I think there is a point. For one thing I would feel better about participating if this was the brainchild of a townie
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Post Post #165 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:17 am

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glowball wrote:I think there is a point. For one thing I would feel better about participating if this was the brainchild of a townie


But we can't continue with the plan if we lynch myself or anyone else in a normal manner, as the game conditions will have changed (read: more people will be dead). The whole plan is predicated on hiding the vig so we can maximise the amount of town-aligned kills in the game, and we run a severe risk of not getting it by playing it straight.

By lynching normally Day 1, we're essentially throwing the plan away. This is an open setup. There are no hidden roles that can manipulate a potential plan. The plan stands alone, and can be evaluated from an objective level - that's the beauty of it. We need everyone on board for it to operate efficiently, though.

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The plan itself isn't making the game unplayable. On the contrary, we need to be lynching and vigging based on reads. The plan is merely framework - an alternate lynching/vigging scheme. The fundamentals of the game don't change. We still lynch the scummiest players (of the players nominated), and then vig the scummiest players (of the players nominated).
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Post Post #166 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:21 am

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then go forward with the plan- and I want you lynched today
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Post Post #167 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:22 am

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glowball wrote:then go forward with the plan- and I want you lynched today


Fair enough then. You realise that would require you participating in the claiming as well, right?
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Post Post #168 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:23 am

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We can't go forward with the plan unless you are going to participate in it, glowball.

And unless Hoopla is a VT in the lynch pool, we can't lynch her.

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Post Post #169 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:35 am

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Sure, I will claim- last
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Post Post #170 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:39 am

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We're not going to be claiming our roles explicitly. We'll likely be claiming Det-Psych/Not Det-Psych first. Then once that round of claims is over, we'll move onto the Hider Tracker, which will be done in a similar fashion, and then the Hider. This is to minimise scum's options with fakeclaims.
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Post Post #171 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:41 am

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Alright.
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Post Post #172 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:45 am

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Great.

Has everyone weighed in on the plan then?
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Post Post #173 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:59 am

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glowball wrote:I refuse to read a plan that seems to have been re-worked several different times. Also, notice how I don't care. I said I was going V/LA you guys could be a little considerate on the posting and know that NO I don't want to read pages and pages of thoughts.

Goodness, calm down. It's either explain it to me, or have a clueless teammate which then would foil your plan because you'd want me lynched and then blah blah blah claim day 2 anyway. I don't have the patience for people being rude to me. I started off nice and all I ask for is the same WITHOUT THE ATTITUDE

lolwut. Swank and I BOTH explained the plan in not that many words. The only person who gave you 'attitude' was Andrew whose remark so was petty that you shouldn't have even remembered it.

Even if we waited for you to come back, you'd have the same amount to read at a different time.


glowball wrote:Minds are made up and that's fine. I don't fully understand it or agree with it so I won't be participating in a mass claim day one. I would rather lynch the idea behind this to see if their motivation was in the right place and then go forward.

Honestly, Glowball, there have been four summaries (two, but each said twice), and then the full wall. You've had five opportunities to read the plan, which is the ONLY thing happening in this game, and you're refusing. Please stop hating town.


glowball wrote:Sure, I will claim- last

Congrats on being the first person to claim. By saying you're claiming last, you actually put yourself into the role of possible-vig, because those are the people who are supposed to claim last.


Glowball, if you just would read the following seven short bulletpoints you might understand the plan. By being the person who refuses to catch up, you're being insanely anti-town:
1. Detective/psychologist claims. If not CC'ed*, go to #2:
2. Hider tracker claims. If not CC'ed*, go to #3:
3. Hider claims.

At this point there are five VT's+1 vig+3 scum=9 players unclaimed

4. Any three players (other than vig) claim not-vig.
5. The other 6 are 5 VT/scum and the real vig, thus hiding the vig so scum can't easily kill him.
6. Lynch as normal, but only out of the 3 who claimed not vig.
7. Vig shoots one of the 5 other people in the vig pool.
Repeat steps 6 and 7 for three nights (since on D4 the non-vigs would all be dead).

*If they are CC'ed, then we stop and deal with that before moving on to the later claims.


We're splitting 3/6, correct?


Mod, what's going on with Quilford, LitteGrey, and Jake?



Hoopla wrote:Great.

Has everyone weighed in on the plan then?

Not Grey or Jake, but I'm expecting them to most likely replace.
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Post Post #174 (ISO) » Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:07 am

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Hey DarkScum... keep up and stop quoting things that are no longer relevant. Yes, I went through saying I wouldn't re read but I have conceded defeat if this is how you've all decided to go... and I've read what everyone has written since I came back from V/LA. I don't care what you think about me claiming last it's no big deal if we are going in sections- I will claim last in every catagory as far as Not Dect/Psy or Dect/Psy.

As far as you painting me to be scummy...I'm apprehensive there is a difference, but wouldn't you love it if people thought I was scum.

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