1119: The Might of Mordor: Game Over

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/confirm

*giddy squeal*

[singersigner]

HI POM!

I've played with your sister before but never with you...technically.

[singersigner]

HI POM!

I've played with your sister before but never with you...technically.

DAMNIT.

I WAS THINKING OF YOUR SISTER AND SAID HER NAME INSTEAD OF YOURS.

/IDIOT.

Andrius...you...you shuddup!

[singersigner]

VOTE: Gandalf

Ummmmmmm... duh?

Hahahaha.

VOTE: Quadz because I hate you.

[singersigner]

Meh, actually I <3 quadz.

imbue: quadz

He wouldn't vote for himself unless he was confident that what he had would be more beneficial to town in the more immediate than long run.

[singersigner]

Meh, actually I <3 quadz.

imbue: quadz

He wouldn't vote for himself unless he was confident that what he had would be more beneficial to town in the more immediate than long run.

NO

Quadz self-imbuing WHILE mentioning SSBM is WRONG FALSE.

Everyone in htat game Town-Voted me and things went RIGHT, him self-voting makes no sense, he's not that arrogant or confident about his ability as town (nor should he even THINk he has a chance in hell of getting the power)

Now, if you spent as much time with him as I did, and actually felt like you could read him, then I might just believe you. However, because you're wrong (OH NO I DISAGREED WITH YOU WHATEVER SHALL I DO), I'd rather prefer it if someone I trusted had this power. kthx.

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VOTE: Edge
Imbue: Edge

Flavorwise, it's probable that scum do not have superpowers. Just sayin.

This is implying that Edge effectively claimed scum by this:

errr I left out of that post the part where it should say I don't have any super powers to gain access too***

So...I'ma say no on that one...

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oops, I meant to UNVOTE: quadz08

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Your lack of reading the rest of the thread is enlightening.

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You don't have a case to react to.

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1.

I'm just thinking about the flavor and making fairly obvious assumptions. If I was scum, remind me why I would supply the town with this "insider info"?

2.

Do you have anyone as a STRONG town read at this point? I don't. The closest to that that I have is a leaning-town on esurio. But my point is that

WE WANT GOOD PLAYERS TO HAVE THE RING. NOT STUPID TOWN.

And I don't know anything about esurio, so I don't trust him to use it well if he is town. Thus, I vote for SptySpy because I DO think that if he is town, he'll know how to use it.

3.

And to be honest, I don't trust anyone who claims that they have a strong superpower. Why would town claim that? It's basically telling the scum "O HAI GUIZ I HAVE REALLY AWESOME ROLE NK ME PLOX?"

4.

I do like the AGM wagon. He seems like he's pretending to be stupid, probably because I'm right, as opposed to Edge who I'm pretty sure actually is being stupid.

VOTE: AGM

1. This is WIFOMtastic. Congratulations.

2. VOTE: Gandalf5166

3. Remind me who claimed that they had a strong superpower?

4. ...what???

5. His and Mari's last votes were just terribad.

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1. Lol. No, seriously. If I AM scum, I'm feeding you misinformation. There's no reason for me to tell you what I know. Occam's Razor > WIFOM
2. I notice that you don't bother refuting my logic because you can't.
3. I don't remember. But Edge told them to(another reason why I think Edge is genuinely being stupid), so I don't blame them. Plenty of people mindlessly do whatever Fate tells them. Hell, I do it sometimes.
4. Now YOU'RE pretending to be stupid.
5. Lol. Once again, you don't refute my logic, because you can't.

1. What quadz said.
2. Retarded defense noted. Lemme spell it out for you so you can stop playing dumb:

WE WANT GOOD PLAYERS TO HAVE THE RING. NOT STUPID TOWN.

You're saying that it's better for unconfirmed good players to have the ring, as opposed to more or less confirmed townies who could more or less at least do SOME good with the power, if not the best.

Good players =/= always town.

3. Your deflection to Edge is noted. No one said they had an AWESOME power. I only know there have been a couple people who have noted whether or not theirs was worth using sooner rather than later.
4. Now, now. No name calling. That only makes it seem like you don't have any other means of defending yourself.
5. If I felt like there was logic there to refute, then I would do so.

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I'm glad we managed to catch the whole scumteam this early.

Who is the whole scumteam?

You, Plum, and SS, of course.

It's funny because I don't actually think ANY of us are scum. I can't speak for either of them, of course, but I trust my read of quadz. Sorry, I can just read him like a book, and he's definitely town.

NOT KNOWING WHO FATE IS IS NOT A SCUM TELL SORRY TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE.

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Agh, I only saw quadz' post above yours.

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Also, Occam's Razor totally happens in mafia.

In my experience, the only people I've ever seen point out Occam's Razor have been scum.

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But she obviously blatantly lied in #73.

SS: That's the biggest pile of hit I've ever heard.

Fate posted more that 25% of the time in that game. I don't think she's exaggerating that much if you're not expecting a certain account to post in your game AT ALL, let alone TWENTY FIVE FUCKING PERCENT of the poster's posts.

1. Nice. Just go with a defense that's obviously bullshit. At least then you can back out of this with at least ONE person who agrees with you.
2. You're saying that if I became confirmed town, you would rather give me the ring(I'm assuming you think I'm stupid, but maybe that's just an air you're putting on so you don't have to make sense when you argue with me) then give it to Edge(if he had a power) who is PROBABLY town.
3. How did I deflect to Edge? I just think that he didn't really think before announcing his MASTER PLAN. I've never even implied that Edge was scum. Not to mention, this wasn't even a point against me, so I don't see how I can "deflect" it to Edge.
4. I never called you names. In fact, I'm complimenting you by assuming that you're NOT stupid, based on what else I've seen of your play.
5. This is proof for my #2 point, BTW. But really. If my logic is retarded, why can't you refute it? Do you think AGM really is stupid? Do you think that he's not been acting stupid? If so, point out why you think his side of the argument makes sense.

I'm glad we managed to catch the whole scumteam this early.

*sigh* Here we go again...
1. You don't even have a response to that defense. That's what happens when you

know you're wrong

.
2. I don't think you're stupid. I think there's a high possibility that you're scum, though. And yes, I would rather give it to the confirmed town, than someone who might not be.
3. Blaming edge instead of admitting that what you said happened, didn't in fact happen.
4.

So you seriously think that scum will do something that hurts their team(giving town info about the ring) hoping that everyone will assume that they're town, when they know that some

douchefag

will come along and yell WIFOM?

Well if you weren't calling me stupid in that particular post, you're apparently calling someone a douchefag now...and I can only assume it's me considering I called you out on WIFOM.
5. I don't think he's acting stupid, actually. I think his vote on me was dumb , but his "attempt to lead town" is a null tell, and if anything, brought up a good point. He hasn't done anything particularly scummy since then, and if fact, brings forth a decent case on you. It's actually one of the few decent cases so far, which is only pro-town.

Gandalf, what exactly is AGM doing that's "so dumb"? And why is a slip of the mind worse than that?

[singersigner]

Fate/Edge, look at [REDACTED] where someone buddied up to you and called you town.

That is all.

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False, I have more:

If indeed she WERE scum who was buddying up to you early on, what would be her scum motivation to then say, "I didn't remember who you were," knowing that you'd be able to call her out on the "lie."

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You naive, naive little man. Either you're doing exactly what Edge is accusing Plum of and you're scum buddying him like crazy to get him to like you. Or you're town who's effectively given up on scum-hunting to blindly follow someone who is FAR from anything "confirmed."

Fyi, neither is good.

[singersigner]

Note the bolded:

Day One, Lynch-Count Three

Plum (3): Edge, Mariyta, gandalf5166

gandalf5166 (2): SpyreX, singersigner

singersigner (2): VasudeVa, AlmasterGM
AlmasterGM (2): Plum, Katy
Katy (1): esuriospiritus
Mariyta (1): quadz08

Not Voting (1): Sevei

Youve been going back and forth with him for awhile now and DERP DERP no read on him?

Also I am WAY confirmed,

try paying attention scumbag.

Scum QT:
????: SS your blatant buddying with quadz-town isn't doing much to help matters. You're saying gandalf shouldnm't sheep Fate, but you're willing to throw all your imbueggs in one basket and blatant;ly buddy quadz who is far from confirmed town?
SS: YEAH WELL MY EXCUSE IS I CAN READ QUADZ
???:

Well Gandalf's excuse is that he can read Edge, obviously

. Somone's gonna point out this contradiction in thread and I'll be DAMNED if it isn't Edge.
SS: LET ME SCUM THE WAY I WANT TO SCUMSUCM

Well unless you two are engaged to be married, you have a funny way of really being able to read each other as well as I can read him.

[singersigner]

I'm too tired to deal with this right now.

Quick thoughts:
-I basically called Edge/Fate out on not reading the thread/not paying attention/or deliberately being stupid and he has no response.
-Gandalf, not you, too...
-Plum's lack of committing to a read on me right now (yes I know she vaguely said not-scummy or something of the sort) seemed a little suspect. Not the fact that it's not very confident, but the fact that it was very open for change/backtrack. Not scummy, but not town, either.
-VV...am I to take that as I'm coming off as absent-minded and passive aggressive?

UNVOTE:

I'm pressing refresh right now because Fate's gotten me all edgy, and this thread seems to be dominated by only 4-5 people.

[singersigner]

You don't like it when people point out how wrong you are, do you.

[singersigner]

To throw your words back in your face AGAIN:

I ALREADY SAIDO THIS IN A POST YESTERDAY I KNOW I DID IM TIRED OF RE-HASHING FUCKING POINTS.

But alas, I will be patient.

Note the bolded:

Youve been going back and forth with him for awhile now and DERP DERP no read on him?

Day One, Lynch-Count Three

Plum (3): Edge, Mariyta, gandalf5166

gandalf5166 (2): SpyreX, singersigner

singersigner (2): VasudeVa, AlmasterGM
AlmasterGM (2): Plum, Katy
Katy (1): esuriospiritus
Mariyta (1): quadz08

Not Voting (1): Sevei

I had decided my read on him when I placed my vote. You pointing out that I was giving an ultimatum for his actions missed the point that

I had already decided

. It was up to him to refute what I was accusing him of.

DERP DERP, my read on him was scum. And herp derp, shit happened since then and I'm not getting incredibly ignorant tunnel-vision like our favorite scummer we all know and love.

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Not apologizing for not sheeping + actual sheeping = I'M SORRY FATE I WASN'T SHEEPING YOU BEFORE I'MA MAKE IT UP TO YOU.

This equation is so convoluted I don't even know what you are talking. The argument wasn't clear to me before. It was clarified. I agreed with it. I voted. How is that sheeping?

I agree with this. I didn't see the argument before, and Spyrex has been the only one to making it convincing enough for me to believe it. Fate's just egocentric, but we all know that, so we can move on, lol.

You voted to Imbue yourself? It's majority needed to Imbue. You just put me at L-1 and didn't vote one of the top Imbue wagons, giving yourself a vote which is either pointless or counterproductive. Way to keep things actually moving. I've been voting you and I'm damn glad I've been voting scum nearly this entire blasted game.

I'm town, so no. And with regards to the imbue, there's still a ways to go on any particular wagon, so I don't see why I need to pile on.

You just completely disregarded the point she made about bringing her closer to a lynch without contributing to making us closer to imbuing someone. See below.

Really really really really DO NOT LIKE AGM's vote on Plum. "Hey, I suddenly get it... but I still don't really get it... but I'll vote anyway. L-1 for the hammer!"

I never have and never will get the whole "L-1 fear." L-1 is not a lynch. It is L-1. If somebody quickhammers then fine, they are scum, but me voting is not scummy.

Ironically, if I had NOT voted Plum, I'm sure someone would have come in and said, "DERP DERP AGREEING WITH THE CASE BUT NO VOTE? WTF IS WITH THAT." Or something similar.

Why do you even care? The response would've been equally easy. You're either ok with L-1 or you're not. Plum brings up a good point about the fact that bring her closer to a lynch without being equally as productive with imbuing is just counter-productive. You don't have a town read on ANYONE but yourself?

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SingerSigner's absolute confidence that quadz is town this early in the game worries me. Her comment about being engaged makes it worse. Can you really read him

that

well, on

page 2

no less? I highly doubt that. Hey, and then there's this, where she says "Plum must be scum. She can't tell if I'm obvtown or obvscum."

No one has solid reads on everyone on page 7. I swear, if I hear this argument one more time "ZOMGFENCESITTING", I will tear out that fence and shove it wear the sun don't shine.

.........

So, yeah, I got bored after pg 7 and skimmed the rest. Regardless, I'm going to

Unimbue: Spy, Imbue: quadz

. I think Spy has a tendency to follow Fate/Edge, much like gandalf, and I can't trust his towniness at this point.

What was that about trusting my read on quadz?

And I find it very hypocritical that you jump down my throat for trusting quadz' reads so early, and yet there's all this sheeping bit with Fate going on, and Plum dictating that Edge is town in the beginning, etc. At least quadz did something

I

deemed to be a ridiculous town play for him, and has since then been very proactive and townie. And what the hell is wrong with being able to read my fiance like a book? You'd think you'd take that as an advantage, hmm? Ok, ok, I can understand if you don't trust I'm town yet ...but that only confirms townquadz to you anyway, right?

And I admit, that was a little hasty of me to call Plum out for fencesitting. But again, I explained that it wasn't her fencesitting that was the problem, it was how it was worded. She seems to be very good at playing a semantic game, so I wouldn't have expected that from her.

That's actually whats making me paranoid about her defense. I feel as though she can very easily talk her way out of something. I just didn't like how Edge dubbed what she did as absolute scumscumscum.

More in catch-up.

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Spyrex, if you don't think quadz is town, then you think he's scum, so there must be some reasoning behind thinking that, yes? Care to explain it to the rest of us?

Preview Edit...Gandalf...what?

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quadzscum & PlumTown -> Unlikely due to quadz having no reason to defend PlumTown as scum. Scum only buddy people who aren't getting lynched. It is a waste of energy to do otherwise.

Yes. This.

Preview Edit:
QUADZ WUT DA FUCK.

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Oooooooooh, yeah...that's a good one.

unimbue

Sorry, babe, I trust you and all (and yes MaterSpy, he sucks at playing scum and is clear obvtown when I see him play), but if AGM doesn't come through tonight, he's gone tomorrow, so...yeah...

Though I'm curious as to why you would want to use it so soon, AGM. Was it because you were getting closer to a lynch? I really hope you choose wisely...

Preview Edit:
fuck
Fuck
FUCK
STOP POSTING

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I have a question, do imbues "hammer" in the same way? So once you hammer an imbue, it's a done deal?

That was the original intent, yes. Now I didn't make that clear in the rules, so I'll do that now.

Once an Imbue is "hammered" then it is locked in place.

-Andy

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Fuck my life, re-reading later tonight, sorry my activity dropped in the last two days. Fixing.

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EBWOP: re-reading/catching up

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Ok, I literally have 6 different web pages up on my computer right now so that what I can catch-up completely tomorrow while I don't have internet access. I have two, two-hour bus rides tomorrow, and this game has my top priority.

I suck for not having done it yet, I'm sorry.

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I'm done and it takes up four pages on Word. Woo!

Posting it as soon as I get home in like half an hour.

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Mega catch-up:

AGM explains in 304 why he claimed…though I disagree with the fact that he was at an “imminent death.”

I forget why Edge though VV has inside information…(check later with internet)

quadz is willing to imbue someone else even though his wagon was the biggest. I interpret this as even more townie.

Katy brings up a good point in 317 that town should dictate who he confirms himself to, for sake of it being a fake scum ploy.

Mariyta imbues AGM without a hint of “approval,” while questioning his ability. I don’t really like where she’s going with the questioning if he can target scum.
---Edge addresses this in the next post.

AGM makes sense of one of his first posts in 322 re: super v. regular powers/ I like his reasoning.

Mariyta looks over-defensive to Edge in her 323 post.
Makes a note about her superpower not being able to be blocked.
Scum must have fake claims and fake powers, yes? (unless they don’t have powers and Edge is playing us…doubt it)

THOUGHT: Edge, since you don’t have a superpower, do you have a passive ability? AGM seems to have all three, but I only have a regular and super, no passive.

Edge’s 324, AGM said his REGULAR power sucked, because it does nothing to confirm anything, and the message can’t even be responded to.

Edge reeeaaally read into Mariyta’s quoted post in 325. While I think it’s a valid point, I think you completely put words into her mouth and thoughts into her head that were not actually there.

Next post is not a good point.

NEXT post brings up legitimately good suspicions of why AGM isn’t telling the truth. HOWEVER, I have to say I HIGHLY doubt this is some gambit by AGM-scum. Everyone has to get a feel for their powers and how best to use them. I would not want to mistakingly waste my power confirming myself to scum who already know I’m town. I’d want to make sure I get a good town feel for people first.

THOUGHT: AGM claimed (more or less by imbuing himself) at L-4, where most people wouldn’t choose to claim until L-1 or L-2. I know this has been asked, but I’m wondering where he got his inspiration to actually claim his power as opposed to trying to lynch someone else today so he could use his regular ability to explain his superpower to the person he felt towniest at the time. And let THEM vouch for him/help us figure out the best course of action for town.

Not sure where Edge was going in his 332/333…

AGM’s response to that actually makes sense.

Time for Edge to eat his words in 336 since he very blatantly stated that he would never imbue quadz. What made you change your mind?

Edge’s 339 isn’t good at all. He’s completely taking what AGM’s getting at out of context.

Edge is upset…

Plum brings up a good point in 346 #3.

Gandalf’s 347 SUCKS. He votes AGM for no reason. ENTIRELY opportunistic. And again gives absolutely no reason for why he thinks quadz shouldn’t be imbued. Though it’s entirely possible he’s sucking up to Edge still from when Edge said there’s no way we were imbuing quadz today. NOW I REMEMBER WHY I WAS VOTING HIM BEFORE. YUCK.

Mariyta’s next post reeks of hindsight, like she knew people were going to think she was scummy for that.

GANDALF CAN YOU PLEASE STOP BEING 14 FOR JUST A SECOND? KTHX.

Quadz’s 350: confirmed town is only useful until you’re dead. The powerful part about it is the fact that he would be around the following day with a vote. Yes, dear, he CAN BE KILLED.

Gandalf’s 353 is reaching. Reeeaaally reaching.

quadz says something about accountability at least.

I SAID THAT HERE FIRST.

if AGM doesn't come through tonight, he's gone tomorrow

Plum agrees with with Gandalf’s reaching?? WTF.
Though I do agree with her saying we should not give scummily-playing characters the Ring. It really just needs to go to quadz.

Katy says pretty much the same stuff that’s been said in her 362. Also:

Anyway, if I was scum, I could have just helped get you lynched today instead of sticking on AGM until the bitter end.

Fucking WIFOM. I spit on any townie who thinks they can get away with a defense like this.

QUADZ DEAR WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ME. You agree with her post but fail to realize IT’S ALL BEEN SAID BEFORE. HALF OF IT SPAWNED BY ME (hello, accountability?)

AGM points out awesomesause craptastic Gandalf sheeping of Edge (DERP DERP) and why it’s SCUMMY AS HELL. But he did vote you, not imbue you, so…get your facts, straight when you make a good point, k? <3

Wait a minute…VV’s 366…are you implying that you think there’s a scumGF in this game, too?
And um…I always check vote counts to make sure there aren’t any mistakes. Anyone who hammers and says “oops” is an idiot and shouldn’t be allowed on this site. You trying to paint AGM as scummy for figuring out his shit along with an apparent gambit you pulled, is not only super duper lame, but not town. Stop it. *scumdar*ping*
Actually…your whole post sucks. Especially about quadz. He needs the Ring, kthx.

VV, you’re confusing me now…did you actually WANT to hammer AGM or not?

SpyreX ARE YOU ACTUALLY IN THIS GAME? Yeesh, even

I

knew what was going on for the most part.

AGM chose a really poor way to argue with VV.

ANOTHER THOUGHT: Again, why did you feel the need to imbue yourself right away, as opposed to claiming in a way that you’d be able to back up later? Why do you think you should actually get the ring now?

NOW, before all the madness happened I was thinking give the ring to someone else, leave you be, let party time happen. I don't think that outcome makes sense as it sits.

I really have no idea what you mean by this.

Don't imbue me right now, it won't help town. Only reason to imbue me would be to keep scum from getting imbued,

and right now that's not a risk.

Explain to me your thoughts process on saying this entire thing. Did you actually think there was a “risk” of you getting imbued? And then why don’t you think there’s a risk that scum could be imbued? Assuming it goes to one of the top wagons right now, are you 100% sure that both AGM and quadz are both town? What makes you say that with such certainty?

I need to figure out who is scum and needs to die.

You are NOT a town read of mine right now. What makes you think YOU are going to find scum? Oh yeah…there’s that bussing thing…

FUCKFUCKFUCK QUADZ WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ME. Your 381 is a lot of what I found scummy in VV’x post, so yay there. But calling Katy town? This is the second time you’ve done this, and the second time you’ve disappointed me by doing so. : (

[NOTE TO COME BACK TO MASTERSPY’S 383 WHEN I’M DONE CATCHING UP]

Mariyta’s response to it is already dumb, though.

Oh fuck, now ReaperCharlie…

Ok actually he brings out a good post by Katy…uuuuugh, stop posting stupid shit and I might take you seriously every now and then…

we should leave AGM alive to make scum deal with whether to kill him or not because a confirmed town vote is powerful the next day after he dies.

What you’re saying is that you believe AGM is town, because if he were scum, there would be a serious lack of “playing to your wincon” if they decided to kill him. Then why do you say “we should leave him alive” like you’re willing to lynch someone you believe to be town? As opposed to just saying, “he’s town so not the lynch.”

Reaper/Edge, do you feel as though quadz and I are the same person, or…do you actually think that the three of us are scum. After you JUST said Plum was scum.

Katy, I would severely advise against claiming quadz as your soulmate while playing in a game with his fiancé. I can’t imagine she’d like that very much.
The rest of 419…your vote on hohum sucks because you’re pretty much pressuring him into explaining Mariyta’s actions, which he clearly cannot do. It’s also a pretty big 180 from your last post on your feelings about her…disagreeing with the things that you originally said called her town after agreeing with VV…and now you’re hopping on her wagon…

WHY IS EDGE POSTING THE SAME THING TWICE. HYDRAS SUCK SOMETIMES.

Hohum’s response is nothing of a catchup, and very much defensive…hmm…
He’s feisty, though…

While I agree Hohum replaced into a scummy slot, I also agree that people are taking advantage of that. It’s too easy for scum to put a “pressure vote” on a replaced slot.

EDGE, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF KATY?

Katy, why didn’t you vote for Mariyta before she asked to be replaced?



ok, re

imbue: quadz08

I'd vote hohum simply for reasons that he hasn't at all shown that he's caught up in the game in any way, shape, or form, but as there seem to be plenty of votes on him or a myriad of reasons already...

vote: Gandalf

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Oh fuck, now ReaperCharlie…

Ok actually he brings out a good post by Katy…uuuuugh, stop posting stupid shit and I might take you seriously every now and then…

Oh bother...

The second part of this refers to my suspicions of Katy, and why I feel cognitive dissonance when seeing a legitimately useful post in the midst of several scummier looking ones.

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quadz, dear, I'm totally ok with you imbuing yourself again. As I've said before, I feel like there's a better way for AGM's claim to benefit him/prove himself LATER, NOT when he thinks he's near a lynch.

Your case on Mari IS better than the one on Plum. I'm hoping hohum isn't an idiot to replace in and not even read the game/play.

Otherwise I could switch to a Mari or Katy lynch. I think people are just being opportunistic in voting hohum with no mention of there being legitimate reasons for calling his predecessor scummy.

[singersigner]

HOHUM.
HE HAD A LEGITIMATE EXCUSE.
You have yet to provide one that allows you to keep posting in the thread without contributing anything.

[singersigner]

STOP.

As much as I think its somewhat hilarious and I want to comment, it probably should stop.

[singersigner]

I'd rather lynch hohum than Plum on the premise that he hasn't offered anything new to the game, and has been fairly ornery thus far, AS WELL AS the fact that Mariyta has had a compelling case made against her.

The ONLY thing Plum has had against her is the fact that Edge feels like she lied is this unbelievably deceitful kind of way.

Just saying. I have about 3 top scummy players right now, and Plum isn't one of them, so...

[singersigner]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: hohum

Preview Edit:
Shuttup Fate.
That's the biggest argument you've brought up so far. That and the fact that she "disappeared" after MS deflected the RAGE CASE off of her for the most part.
FINE.
Let's do things your way ya big meanie.
This way when she flips town YOU can be responsible for looking like an idiot.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Plum

[singersigner]

We have a day and a half to push a lynch through, and you seriously want to start another wagon on someone?

Yes...I feel much more confident with my read on you now.

[singersigner]

By the way, it's anti-town to NOT let a lynch go through. I'd rather lynch someone I thought was town then allow a no-lynch. Had you come in a few days ago and dropped a vote on me to see if it would stick, I wouldn't think of it as so anti-town, but you're willing to take a vote off of the second leading wagon to place a vote on someone for doing something more pro-town than what you just did?

I put Plum at L-1, but if I thought hohum would get the support, I'd gladly put my vote on him. Either way, your vote sucks. Seriously opportunistic.

I'm not voting Plum to make Edge look bad for sake of calling him scum. I think he's town who's wrong. There's a difference. There are scum on her wagon, though; let's find out who, shall we?

[singersigner]

I'd like quadz to discuss how his night went last night.

Hohum...the fact that you didn't know Katy was town is pretty damming, I hope you realize that.

Fate...you were right. I'm sorry.
I suck. =/

[singersigner]

AGM. Who did you send a message to last night, if at all?

[singersigner]

I'll be prod dodging the rest of the time I'm in this game. I will not be contributing anything substantive to this thread.

This is what scum do when they don't want to give anymore information away. It's also why they hammer. You know...to stop conversation/not inadvertently connect themselves to their partners.

Just saying.

Please don't be a troll. You were my first mod ever. You were so lovely then...

[singersigner]

And VV, you're still bulletproof. I know this for a fact, don't ask how until MC.

Huh...

Quadz...I think it's time to give us the details of what happened last night. Cuz like, that would be totally tubular, dude.
Especially since I think you're frantic for a reason.

VV, I think it's best to listen to my fiance and explain what you mean now. He's not a force to be reckoned with when he knows what he's talking about. Guess who got the ring last night. Guess who probably knows what he's talking about.

Herp derp.

Also, yeah, Edge/Fate's right; claiming doc would've been so way more awesome than claiming bulletproof bodyguard. You would've drawn the night kill and it would've been useless...if I'm thinking about the role correctly. Can you clarify what your role means/is (the bulletproof part, not the bodyguard)?

[singersigner]

Why is one-shot bulletproof confusing?

Well, I more or less see two different options:
1. He was bullet-proof like if they targeted him, he wouldn't die, or
2. He doesn't die if they targeted the person he protected.

[singersigner]

Lynch...VV?

[singersigner]

AGM, hold your horses. We need to figure out what happened last night with quadz. and even you.

Also, I do have an example where I replaced into a theme game and misjudged the flip simply because of the color. I was quickly mislynched as town.

While I do think it's ridiculous, unfortunately I can relate.

[singersigner]

HE'S DOING IT AGAIN.

[singersigner]

If you have no reason to believe there was another kill last night, then...oh wait...that might be misconstrued as rolefishing instead of trying to piece the game together.

[singersigner]

Quadz...I think it's time to give us the details of what happened last night. Cuz like, that would be totally tubular, dude.
Especially since I think you're frantic for a reason.

VV, I think it's best to listen to my fiance and explain what you mean now. He's not a force to be reckoned with when he knows what he's talking about. Guess who got the ring last night. Guess who probably knows what he's talking about.

Okay, I don't know if you're being all cutesy with him because he's your fiance, but I really don't like your interactions with quadz today. Sometimes I feel as though you're trying to appeal to your relationship outside the game to get him on your good side with all this "just listen to my fiance, he's so awesome!" talk. And I know that accusations of role-fishing are often thrown around too casually, but do you really have to keep going, "Hey, so what did you do last night? What power did the ring grant you?

Come on, tell me! Tell me!

" And you were

pestering

him to reveal before his first post of the day, before his "nervous energy," as well. quadz can decide for himself if he has something useful to reveal.

So this quote was the second and last time I mentioned quadz explaining what happened (so to put it the way you did--in the bold--is a wild exaggeration), and I think it's 1. perfectly justifiable to ask the person who had the most power to be held accountable for it in the off-chance that we made a mistake and gave it to scum (just saying, it was public knowledge that he had the ring and could do something with it, so why would you push to keep it secret?), and 2. perfectly legitimate when the second time I asked him was because all of a sudden there was this weirdness with VV--aka, quadz acting suspicious of him, which I specifically pointed out.

The fact that you're trying to be the "good guy" by saying "oh no, don't bother him, it'll come out when it's ready, blahblahblah" is not good. There's no reason that a publicly imbued superpower should not be help accountable for. You're either protecting your scum buddy quadz (no, you're not, he's town, get over it), or you're scum playing victim like duh rolefishing is scummy even though this is a perfectly legitimate reason to need to understand what's actually going on.

Oh yeah. I forgot. You're scum who knows quadz is town for sure and don't need to keep him accountable for what happened last night. Hohum's probably scum with Plum if there's a second team, and there was probably a second kill that got blocked and now VV's trying to cover it up and act all town (which quadz has clearly picked up on...seriously...stop being so obvious). So he's prob scum with MS.

Seriously, the fact that VV even thinks he protected someone last night should give you a clue that he has some sort of in-sight as far as last night's kill(s) went. And now he has to "check with Andrius" to see if he's still bullet-proof...that's not something you bother projecting in thread until you know for sure. The only advantage it has it to make people think you're town. What happens if you "didn't actually protect anyone" (that's in quotes because as scum, he can't do that). You're back where you started at nothing, and we're left in a WIFOM trap of, is he telling the truth.

SERIOUSLY.

Oh the options!

VOTE: VasudeVa

Get back here and figure your shit out.

[singersigner]

SS and Gandalf, I do not understand your exchange at all. Just fyi.

I was making fun of MasterSpy's paranoia that I was rolefishing. I don't know if Gandalf was being sarcastic or not, but either way, he's town, too (yes I changed my mind, go you). So...ya.

And, hellooo...imbuing people is practically a form of rolefishing in itself. Derp.

[singersigner]

Yes, I know that. But to say that it wasn't important to know is just ignorant. Yes, I'm curious, and yes, I think it's important to know, but yes, I will back off my high horse if he legitimately doesn't think it's important for us to know, because yes, you're right, I wanted to imbue him for a reason.

But for the record, I don't think what anyone does with the ring should be irrelevant. It's public knowledge, and publicly imbued (like I said). It should be more or less discussed at the very least, don't you think?

And in all honesty, the first time I mentioned anything, it was more or less to find out if he got anything useful out of it. The second time, yes, definitely wanting to figure out what this deal with VV was.

[singersigner]

quadz, if you had read the game like I did, you would've noticed:
1. Weird Hohum stupid shit.
2. SS asks about last night.
3. VV claims something odd.
4. Gandalf says "not true."
5. Quadz becomes suspicious.
6. SS srsly wants clarification now.
7. MS jumps down SS's throat for connecting the pieces (aka, butthurt scum).

I'M SAYING THAT IF HOHUM IS NOT TELLING THE TRUTH THEN HE COULD BE SCUM WITH PLUM, NOT OH YES I THINK THERE ARE TWO SCUM GROUPS.
Actually, I'm ready to believe Plum, VV, MS scumteam right now. Just saying.

Hohum's probably just dumb like I was in my game before.

P.S. VV, I've said this before and I'll say it again, people saying "oh but I wouldn't have done this unless blahblahblah" is complete shit and WIFOM. You're right. You had no reason to claim. So why did you?
P.P.S. VV, you can't read me worth shit. Look, you're already flailing scum.

[singersigner]

You suuure aren't acting like in [REDACTED]~ You are way harder to anger as Town.

Scum slip? You don't know my alignment in either game.

[singersigner]

And...I'm not actually sure what you're talking about either...

I just felt it necessary to point out that completely obvious scumslip.

[singersigner]

I protected Edge last night.

I chose to watch Edge. VV did NOT visit Edge last night.

VV did NOT visit Edge last night.

VV did NOT visit Edge last night.

VV did NOT visit Edge last night.

VV did NOT visit Edge last night.

VV did

NOT

visit Edge last night.

Shit, my scum gambit didn't work out AT ALL.

FTFY.

[singersigner]

Because you think you were sooooo towny that you were roleblocked?

Wow, your buttons are easy to push...

[singersigner]

I do appreciate the appropriate apostrophes indicating possession.
/off-topic

[singersigner]

I chose to watch Edge.

quadz, you saw something else last night too, right? Just tell me if you know what I'm talking about.

yup

Unless Gandalf can roleblock more than one person/Edge was roleblocked, too...

Seriously people. CONNECT THE GAWDDAMN PIECES.

[singersigner]

The only people who should be imbuing VV and NOT voting him, are the people who actually believe he was roleblocked.

imbue: Gandalf

[singersigner]

If Gandalf is a fucking protective role like he fucking softclaimed, then why THE FUCK aren't we lynching whoever else visited Edge.

[singersigner]

OH HEY VV ALREADY SAID THAT HE WAS A ONE-SHOT BULLETPROOF BODYGUARD AND HE HAD TO CHECK TO SEE IF THAT SHOT WAS TAKEN AWAY SO CLEARLY HE DIDN'T NEED THE RING TO NOT DIE.

[singersigner]

It was already speculated that the ring provided protection from roleblockers. Why would they ever try.

And you just speculated that they have the ability to roleblock TWO people.

Die, scum, die.

[singersigner]

EDGE.

IF VV IS IMBUED THEN WE CAN'T IMBUE ACTUAL TOWN.

He just said that he must've been roleblocked and THAT THE PERSON WHO HAS THE RING CAN'T BE ROLEBLOCKED BECAUSE "QUADZ WASN'T ROLEBLOCKED."

If he's telling the truth you won't die anyway because he can protect you, right? HE DOESN'T NEED TO BE IMBUED.

[singersigner]

You're still alive now and clearly more than one person visited you last night, which leads me to believ that you were targetted by scum but it didn't go through. FOR THE LIFE OF ME I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS PERSON ISN'T GETTING LYNCHED INSTEAD.

Either way, VV is a lying sack of bullcrap.

[singersigner]

AGM, after all this, do you think you should be imbued and get the ring for tonight?

[singersigner]

I had to do a double-take because I forgot Sevei WAS EVEN IN THE GAWDDAMN GAME.

[singersigner]

It's weird...for some reason the Edge part of the hydra seemed to think quadz was probably scum until today, with an unexplained turnaround to calling him town.

I don't like that we can't get that clarified now.

[singersigner]

EBWOP: I meant to say "the part of the Edge hydra"

that

thought...etc.

I mixed up two different thoughts. I just need to not comment on things when I'm distracted and have two different grammatically correct sentences running through my head at once that end up getting spliced together.

[singersigner]

This makes SS laughably bad at reading Quadz, and I suspect their relationship will fall apart after this game.

quadz08, The Dark Marshal (Voyeur for Mordor), Shot In-between the Eyes N2!

I dare you to insult my knowledge of my fiance one more time.

And wow. You're bad scum.

Quadz said he saw more than one person target you N1. I'm gunna take a gander and say that you weren't targeted for a kill. Nor were you in threat of dying. Considering there was only one kill that night, made by a vig. Marshal implies some sort of cop ability, but watcher was only

part

of his ability with his superpower...

VV, you're either stupid town or stupid scum. I can't believe that with your imbuing power, you didn't protect the person who's given us the most information so far, and was pretty much confirmed town with Gandalf. Way to fucking waste your night action.

Fate, you had fucking ridiculous grounds for bussing Plum, but it worked, and now you have this "cleared town" nonsense about you.

VOTE: Fate

Gandalf, you know I'm right so help me god, don't cling to your besty best now.

[singersigner]

WHAT DID I TELL YOU GANDALF.

[singersigner]

UNVOTE:

I've only just perused the latest. I'll catch up more tomorrow.

VV's dumb town, I've decided.

I'm going back to look at MasterSpy. Lots of doubt with that one. Actions yesterday speak for themselves...

[singersigner]

WE'RE DOING THIS MY WAY AND TRIMMING THE FAT.

SINGERSINGER'S GLOATING ABOUT "HAH I CAN READ QUADZ" LOOKS PRE-TYPED KNOWING HE WAS THE NK LAST NIGHT ANYWAY.

MASTERSPY IS TOWN THOUGH I HAVENT CLICKED THAT LINK OR WHATEVER IT LEADS TO YET.

SPYREX IS >?>?>?> BUT ILL SAY TOWN.

SCORCHED EARTH POLICY. SINGERSINGER DIES AND WE KEEP ON KEEPING ON

NOW, who's dumb.

"Looks pre-typed"...wtf is it with you and confirmation bias? GET OFF YOUR HIGH-HORSE.

MasterSpy is not town. I will post my thoughts on this once I finish my post. And yes, it will include responses to the questions "they've" asked me.

Spyrex is...definitely not a town-read from his latest posts, but I'm gunna do my research on that one, considering I was *practically 100%* wrong about Gandalf being scum. Buh.

Sevei, why no vote in the post about quadz being a role-blocker? It sounds like you have good information, but did you not conclude anything of your own? Also, yes quadz "kept it a secret" about how many people targetted Fate; HOWEVER, he very specifically said "one of THEM" which, correct me if all of my schooling has gone out the window here, is a plural qualifier. Can you tell me what the motivation would be for not disclosing that Gandalf was the only one who targetted Fate? Remember, Gandalf has since then "confirmed" that he's a protective role,

SO WHERE IS THE SCUMKILL? THE ONLY POSSIBLE EXPLANATION IS 1. A NINJA OR 2. A TOWN RB AND A SCUM RB ONE TO BLOCK VV AND ONE TO BLOCK SCUM OR 3.

ANDY HAS THREE PROTECTIVE ROLES WTF?

so (and this is mostly aimed at VV for being stupid and jumping the gun on this one) can you not see that Fate was most likely protected, too?

Also...and VV, this is why you're dumbtown, but Sevei, can you explain how you came upon this knowledge of quadz?

I'm ok with VV getting imbued again. I don't think AGM needs to be mod-confirmed at this point. He can keep sending messages for all I care...or...not...if he so chooses...
I'm also going to assume that Gandalf won't need a superpower if he's being protected by VV.
I definitely don't need a superpower. I have no reason to believe that it will benefit anyone in any spectacular way (unless AGM can think of one) like VV's, SO...ya.

imbue: VasudeVa

[singersigner]

Even more awesome is VV voting for Fate AND SS not commenting on this.

and VV, this is why you're dumbtown

[singersigner]

Sevei...ok...processing what you've said...
You're a surprisingly good player (only surprising because I've had a total of two encounters with you so far, and [REDACTED]).
This seems pretty powerful...you don't happen to have a superpower we could imbue, do you?
Though...VV's imbue is fucking awesome if he chooses the right players...

[singersigner]

Also, Gandalf, if you DO have a doctoring ability...I think you can kind of clear up what's going on...or you could just keep it to yourself like quadz.
/bitter

[singersigner]

Mina’s “mini case”
First of all, I was called out for not having commented at all on the “mini case”…I would actually say READ THE THREAD because I kinda did…no wait…oh yeah, I did.

(and yes MaterSpy, he sucks at playing scum and is clear obvtown when I see him play)

Ok, so not as awesome as I thought, and I forgot that I had plans to comment on the “case” specifically after my catchup post, but I suck and forgot.

How the hell would you know his motives are protown? That logic only applies if you know he's town. Maybe he was scum and voted for himself because he was confident what he had would be more beneficial to scum in the more immediate than long run.

Ok. So 1) you’re putting words in my mouth with this “100% positive” nonsense, 2) I’ve already explained why I felt like quadz was being protown. Here’s the thing, it was AFTER AGM had said “don’t do it unless you have something good”…or something like that. He then proved me right. Scum voting for themselves know that what they have that’s more beneficial to scum is the fact that town won’t get a power boost because of it. Can you find anything to suggest that scum have super powers? We’ve already speculated that they probably don’t. Most likely balanced by the fact that Fate doesn’t have a superpower. O.o

Re Plums fence-sitting: she literally gave me a picture of sitting on a fence and was reading to sway whichever way someone pushed her. Go figure. I would’ve accepted a “null-tell” label.

The case on Plum (calling Edge obv-Town early yet forgetting it actually included Fate) is so-so but Plum’s reaction isn’t what I would expect from Plum-Town. In [REDACTED] the mention by me that she wasn’t obv-Town (not scum mind you, just not obv-Town) was met with an immediate and emotional attack. Her response to Edge here is much more along the line of ‘Ooops, tehehehe’. Damning? No. But inconsistent enough that I think it scummy.

Talk about fence-sitting. Starting to make scum-buddy connections…

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Ok, now I just need to point out that you guys seem to have a great system going on here. One person actually has an opinion on a person and/or event, while the other is “waffling.”
I’ve also noticed that each time someone (Mari and RC) calls MasterSpy scum, he responds with snarky rhetoric. Hello, hypocrisy.

WOW.

Can you commit to a read on ANYONE but Fate and Spyrex? Oh, Fate’s practically confirmed town, I guess you have to do that now. Ok. So Spyrex is your scum-buddy, two. He’s the one scum on part of the, one scum on/one scum off deal with bussing, isn’t he. (Still going back to check on that one, but the more I read your ISO, the more I’m thinking you’re digging a hole FOR him…)

Re the part about me bringing up the two-scum team theory:

Just Fate repeating "two scumteams" five zillion times?

I'm so sleep-deprived that I don't think I've logically processed the two-scumteams comment.

Okokok…so you think that

I’m

the one who’s bringing that up? I mentioned it

once

with some various speculation about who could be connected to who. This wasn’t until AFTER you had mentioned them yourself. TWICE.

I think I’ve already expressed my issues regarding this.

Why exactly should anyone be giving any Powers away when not absolutely necessary? We've already had VV claim and soft-claims by Gandalf and Quadz. AGM is already outed. Town giving a fucking roadmap to NKs is not smart.

Yes. Because clearly scum’s been terribly successful considering they didn’t get a NK the first night. Scum’s undoubtedly been given some sort of fake-claim, which is obvious by Spyrex’s latest gem. WHICH REMINDS ME WHY I BECAME SO SUSPICIOUS OF HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Also please clarify what the frantic part means. Are you insinuating that Quadz might be scummy

No, and I never did. Even when I was trying to keep quadz accountable for his ring power N1, I had always thought he was town. Him being frantic meant that something he didn’t understand happened. It showed confusion, which means he wasn’t positive something pro-town has occurred.

Hohum...the fact that you didn't know Katy was town is pretty damming, I hope you realize that.

This is bad. A Town player might suspect Katy was Town via reads (as I personally did) but not knowing for certain is part of the Uninformed Minority gig. The damning part is not the vig on Katy but the reasons for such and the ‘Wow she was scum’ reaction which makes no sense if you had a Morder Role Pm.

Ok…not at ALL what I was talking about. In fact, your last sentence is exactly what I was talking about. This is seriously where that confirmation bias comes is. You’ve been dead set on painting me to be scum, so you’ve stopped questioning what I’m talking about like a normal scum-hunting townie, but instead interpreting what I’m saying in an anti-town way automatically.

Singer wrote:It's weird...for some reason the Edge part of the hydra seemed to think quadz was probably scum until today, with an unexplained turnaround to calling him town.

I don't like that we can't get that clarified now.

Elaborate on this. Are you implying that Dekes’ slot has done something scummy? Are you implying that Quadz is scummy?

Also I had some questions for you at 753. Please answer them.[/quote]First, I meant RC. Second, I was just trying to figure out what it was that caused him to change his mind. Did he see something particularly telling? (Not that it matters now)
And…yeah…I’m doing that now…

Humour me. Which "actions" speak for themselves? You mean, my calling you on trying to wheedle quadz into claiming, and then you saying that only scum would dislike such a protown question?

OH HO. Someone’s a little defensive. So did you miss the fact that I absolutely had legitimate reasons for questioning quadz about what happened N1? Your words, not mine, it

was

such a protown question, wasn’t it. But no, that’s not what I said. I said you’re scum because you’re specifically avoiding the fact that it’s protown to keep him accountable, and trying to make me look worse because of it. Bad reaching is bad.

This post is full of non-committal, back and forth, I’m open for just about anything reads. If I have to bold all of them I will, but I don’t want to take up that much more space.

Hey, singersigner, question. What do you think of SpyreX? Since you know, the Fate-SpyreX back and forth has taken up a bit of page space, it'd be nice if you weighed in on it.

OMG, you finally learned how to throw your partner under the bus! That should answer your question just nicely.

Ugh. I didn't want to add yet another player to the suspect pool.

Hahahahaha. I literally laughed out loud when I saw this. You’ve effectively opened yourself up to commit to a total of ONE town read. And you even through in Magna’s suspicion that let’s you back out of that read at any moment, right?

[singersigner]

Oops, forgot this:
VOTE: MasterSpy

Fate, you're going to single-handedly lose this game for town.

VV is town gawddamnit. Sevei is...well I'm going to assume she's town-

aligned

by being the ring's "voice" or whatever. Which, derp, makes her town.

Am I allowed to make those "lynch me as long as this person dies tomorrow" clauses?

[singersigner]

Do you really want to argue your "towniness" to make a loaded-point?

[singersigner]

Fate, who are your top scum reads, and what do you think about my case on MasterSpy? Do I need to give you a tl; dr version, or did you actually decide to read it, unlike your sheepie buddy Gandalf.

[singersigner]

I also, repeat, that VV does not get the ring until he agrees 100% to who he is protecting so he will be accountable.

Just like you made him accountable yesterday? You dumb fuck.

[singersigner]

VOTE: MASTERSPY

Vote: Spyrex

Can you keep with this good posting shit?
Seriously.
If you run this game, and you are truly town, you will ruin yourself and the rest of us if you can't think rationally for once.

CONNECT. THE GAWDDAMN. DOTS.

[singersigner]

And Fate, read the gawddamn thread. MasterSpy only voted for me AFTER I was like, oh look, this is why he's scum. It's just unfortunate that he's getting away with doing it before I actually got my case up.

You dumbfucktown, you.

[singersigner]

Keep up with the insults, I think they're working.

My vote for you did.

[singersigner]

One thing I can't figure out is how dumbasfucktown is trying to pass off something I did as "scummy" when he did the EXACT same thing...



Preview Edit: Can you rewrite that sentence to actually make sense grammatically or something?

[singersigner]

I didn't vote and unvote for no reason. I had every reason to vote you for the lack of kill, and every reason to unvote you and vote someone else who's had more damning actions. Does that sound at all familiar? I SWEAR TO GOD IF YOU DON'T LOOK AT MY CASE AGAINST MASTERSPY...(just watch them come back here and laugh it off because "Fate doesn't believe it so we're in the clear")

You expected me to catch up in a 40-page game and then give you a post just because "you said so"? Fuck that shit.

Actually, I won't claim until AGM gets in here and fucking tells me what I want to know.

[singersigner]

Man, at least RC and I agreed on SOMETHING...

[singersigner]

Oh Fate...
My dear, dear Fate...

I said nothing of it being the roleblock. If you'll go back and look, it was because I was just about positive someone else had targeted you, and was trying to get to the bottom of it.

You getting roleblocked is not telling in the slightest. You already claimed that you didn't have a super power D1 before any of this happened...what kind of tard has to use the fact that you were roleblocked to make a case on you?

[singersigner]

Also, Fate, you need to give me your top scum reads (besides me apparently). Play to your wincon and stop being stupid, PLEASE.

I don't die until AGM gets back here.

Then I'll gladly be sacrificed for town so long as VV is imbued and can protect dumbasfuck town, Gandalf, and...Sevei I guess would be the better choice...
You can lynch MasterSpy tomorrow.

Oh and Fate, what made you drop Spyrex so quickly? Do you believe his dumbasshit claim?

[singersigner]

Oh Fate, you know you have a bussing meta. Don't even give me that. Plum's case was shit. You just got lucky.

[singersigner]

Logical townie came around when Gandalf was outed as a doctoring ability who protected who, yes.

We needed to start the day with a vote.

It outed Spyrex, didn't it?

[singersigner]

Gandalf, as a watcher, quadz would simply see who targets him. Unless he was also a role cop, which he made no indication of being...and I think Sevei would be able to back that up.

Assuming Fate is B and quadz is D, quadz would only see that you (A) and someone else (C?) targeted Fate. My guess is that the reason quadz didn't claim was you made it seem like you were a watcher who knew VV didn't lose his ability because you didn't see him target Fate. Which would then make the other person a doctor in his eyes. Which would make it unnecessary to claim.

Fuuuck.

And now I'm guessing he was aboslutely wrong, AMIRITE.

[singersigner]

I mean,

I

knew you were a doc. But he doesn't piece things together like that. Honestly, you were kind of making it seem like (and mind you, this is just if you were looking at your ISO and not connecting it with anyone else's) you could've been a watcher. i.e. I KNOW for a fact that VV didn't lose the ability. I took that to mean because you were the one protecting Fate, and he might've assumed that there was another watcher since he had the ring, and could've assumed that the ring gave him an extra power that he didn't have originally. Maybe Sevei can clarify this since she said he claimed his ability to her?

[singersigner]

I can be the lynch today. I'm actually completely fine with that. AGM needs to back something up, first.
So long as you go after MasterSpy, who literally said he won't respond to me because "I'm scum" (hint, discussion is pro-town, refusing to participate is refusing to incriminate yourself) and Spyrex, who so conveniently implied that quadz would ACTUALLY "defend my honor" by PURPOSEFULLY LOSING so his fiance could win. I mean, he's not that great at mafia, but he's not

that

bad...

Fate, I really hope you can be smarter than this. Yes I'm insulting your intelligence. Yes it's because you can't connect the dots. Obvious fake claims are obvious.

MasterSpy, every time you point out

my

fear-mongering, but continue to dismiss Fate's, I'm going to count that as a point against you, and I would hope that everyone else would be smart enough to do the same.
AND LOOK GANDALF, I KNOW YOU PLAY MAFIA TO DUMB DOWN AND ALL, BUT I COULD REALLY USE THE HELP OF SOMEONE I

KNOW

IS SMARTER THAN THIS.

Also, as long as Fate stays alive, he'll figure it out

eventually

. Stop hiding.

[singersigner]

I swear to GOD if AGM let's me die without saying anything, I will find him and cut him.

WHY HAS HE BEEN USELESS TODAY.

[singersigner]

Gandalf.

...

Wait what?

And you're saying a four man scum team?

Gandalf, do you think MS and Spyrex can be scum independent of me? Or do we have to be scum together?
Can you please imbue VV again? I've forgiven him for blindly following Fate for now. But he needs to make sure that the practically confirmed townies remain alive.

Sevei, did you talk to VV last night?

AGM...

Preview Edit: No, Fate, he didn't send me a message. It appears you think I'm going to die anyway, so what's this ultimatum crap?

[singersigner]

@Singer -I’ll respond to your ‘case’ in a follow-up post but

I’m not going to clutter a game relevant thread responding to likely scum.

FTFU.

This is what I'm talking about with MS being able to pretty much say anything and consequently go any way *they* want with it.

Fucking scum.

Fate, listen to RC. He was on to something.

[singersigner]

Actually, I won't claim until AGM gets in here and fucking tells me what I want to know.

Um, what do you want to know, exactly?

Did you get anything special at any point during D2?

VV, Fate was protected by Gandalf after quadz's fucking soft-claiming that someone else visited Fate last night, clearly blocking the kill. Masons can't do anything to be roleblocked from. That's a null.

[singersigner]

...

Ok...

Only scum have motives to CC, so, yeah, good luck with that.

[singersigner]

...also, just to make sure we are on the same page, the thing you are talking about was delivered at the end of N1, not during D2. But it's close enough.

Ok, I was told it would be delivered at the beginning of the next day...but like, same difference?

Yes it was from me. I don't know what it is, but I do know what you have to do in order to use it...which is why I figured you'd be a good choice, since you didn't get imbued, and at this point won't need to...

My superpower allows the person to use it no matter what (I'm assuming you know what condition I'm talking about...)...so like...yeah, not thaaat special, really. Not worth asking for the ring...though now that we get to talk to Sevei, it makes things interesting.

Also, Fate, since AGM can back up what I'm saying, and you don't really have any superpowers (Masons don't have powers either?), howsabout we imbue VV, I do what I did to AGM to you, VV protects you, gandalf, and...whoever else (I'm thinking AGM if he wants time to use it) and we figure shit out. I think I can still send it even if I eat the NK.

[singersigner]

Oh good fucking lord.

SingerSinger is an inventor, but she's all "if I have to die I have to die for town to win"

Bullshit and horse shoes.

I'm not an inventor.

I'd rather be mislynched with my power than someone else, unless AGM can confirm it does anything good...

[singersigner]

ANYTHING THAT GIVES ME POWERS/GOODIES IS NOT WORTH A MISLYNCH.


I"LL BREAK MY HEART AND LYNCH SPYREX IF I HAVE TO.

Ok. I'm good with Spyrex, too.

I know that it has the potential of being used during the night or the day.

AGM, when can you use yours?

Preview Edit: I don't actually know how good it is...I was trying to test it on AGM, and I wasted it on quadz last night...

[singersigner]

Oh and yeah, the flavor strongly (although not entirely conclusively) suggested the sender was Shelob. The item was named "Shelob's Cobweb," and Shelob's name was mentioned in the delivery flavor.

My character's name is not Shelob...

Weird...

Ok Fate, so we imbue VV again, he's pretty much guaranteed to protect you and Gandalf tonight. If either of you die, we know that VV's lying.

Actually, really, we don't have to imbue VV, since VV can just BG Gandalf and Gandalf protects Fate, while I "gift" Fate...though I'd like AGM to stay alive, too so he can actually use his gift.

Im PMing Andrius to find out if the gift is still sent if I die.

Preview Edit: Haha, oh shit. UNVOTE:
VOTE: Spyrex

[singersigner]

It's that your claim is being broken.

Sorry dude, but no sympathy for scum.

[singersigner]

Wait, I don't know how it confirms scum have a roleblocker...
Do you mean if you die? This is why VV needs to be imbued to that way we can protect both of you + a third.

Preview Edit: Spyrex, how exactly do you enable powers? I think we've been doing just fine enabling ourselves thus far thankyouverymuch.

[singersigner]

VV claimed targeting me N1, Quadz CONFIRMS this didn't happen. If VV is town then scum HAVEA ROLEBLOCKER.

Herpaderp. You're right.

THEN VV NEEDS TO GET THE POWERZ SO HE'S NOT ROLEBLOCKED.

Preview Edit: Sevei...yeah, lol, Fate's helped me figure it out. D1 seems to far away now...

Oh yeah, so my role name is Annatar...now that people are claiming names and shit.

[singersigner]

Is there anyone who hasn't pretty much claimed everything yet?

[singersigner]

I claimed giving AGM a gift N1, and quadz N2.
I claimed my name was Annatar.
I claimed I don't know what the gifts are, but that they have the potential of being used during the day or night (at the discretion of Andy, depending on what the girl is)

The only thing I didn't clarify yet was what they have to do to use them. If I'm imbued, they can use them no matter what. If not, they forgo their night action. Which is why you'd be perfect to gift if you don't have a night action to forgo.

Preview Edit: Uh...WUT.

[singersigner]

Spyrex, what do you think of MasterSpy?

Preview Edit: Oh, maybe confusing because I said it should show up at the beginning of D2...

What don't you get?

[singersigner]

The flavor of last night's kill (shot between the eyes) tells me scum have a 'godfather' role to my Swordsmith who uses a bow to kill. I suspect based on phrasing that the Role Cop would see past that.

Can you clarify this? I don't want to draw any incorrect conclusions, but does this mean you think mafia's regular flavor is killing with a bow? And if you're imbued, you can see through a Godfather?

[singersigner]

Ok.

[singersigner]

Singer what is your Superpower?

>.<

The only thing I didn't clarify yet was what they have to do to use them.

If I'm imbued, they can use them no matter what.

If not, they forgo their night action. Which is why you'd be perfect to gift if you don't have a night action to forgo.

[singersigner]

MasterSpy and Spyrex have been calling only each other town this entire game. It wasn't until the last couple pages that there was any doubt between them.

[singersigner]

SpyreX doesn't die until I'm sufficiently done mocking VV

I.

AM.

IMMORTAL

I literally loled at this one. <3

[singersigner]

Meaning it funny...not making fun of you...

[singersigner]

EBWOP: it's*

[singersigner]

<3 Sevei

[singersigner]

VV, PLEASE protect Gandalf.

His interactions with quadz D2 really work to confirm his innocence.

[singersigner]

I agree with that list.

[singersigner]

This oughta be good.

[singersigner]

Oh hey, scum said something about me.

For the record, I never claimed to respond to your "mini case" on me. I said I forgot about it. Difference.
I'm working on a response as we speak.

Also, MasterSpy, isn't Sauron, like, the ruler of Mordor or something?
Also, VV is TOWN.
What we need to do is imbue him and guarantee three awesome town to play tomorrow and lynch the last scum (whichever is left of Spyrex and MasterSpy, of course).
ALSO, IF SEVEI IS SCUM THEN SHE HAS THE ABILITY TO TALK TO ANY TOWN PLAYER THAT GETS THE RING. FATE YOU'RE MAKING ME WANT TO TAKE DRUGS WUT IS THIS SHIT.

[singersigner]

^good posting.

[singersigner]

lol @ the imbuing of AGM.
Scared of anyone else getting a better power?
Do you REALLY need him to be mod-confirmed at this point?

Also, I acknowledged I was responding to your post and I am. You keep saying I was pushing for you to respond to mine...where did I ever do that? Oh that's right, I didn't.

IMO, you and Spyrex are the only claims that don't make sense. I won't be voting for anyone but either of you today or ever, and when you're scared that Sevei and I've caught scum, and one of us end up dead after tonight, everyone else will know that, too.

VV STOP VOTING FATE. SEVEI AND I CAUGHT THE SCUMZ, CAN'T YOU SEE?

Now if everyone can hop on the imbue wagon that allows Fate, Gandalf, and most likely The Ring to stay alive, and onto a lynch wagon that actually lynches scum, that would be AWESOME.

[singersigner]

VV is still voting me.

Claimed scum, etc.

Huh?

[singersigner]

MasterSpy, I'll forgive your namecalling after you're lynched and town wins the game.

I WILL NOT LYNCH SEVEI.

Fate, if not the almighty bodyguard, then who? I'm giving you the gift tonight, so I definitely don't want it. But please tell me you understand the flaw in imbuing AGM at this point. We NEED to imbue VV if you want to guarantee solid town making it through the night. Why is that so hard to consider?? It's obvious being imbued can't be roleblocked, so imbuing him guarantees your safety either way. It will just guarantee others' safety, too.

Also, MS, nice way to just "let it go." If Sevei's lynched, that guarantees my safety tonight, unless you want to be proven wrong. Though, AGM's pretty much confirmed that I'm town. Unless you think scum give town gifts for funsies.

AGM, WHERE ARE YOU. I NEED TO ASK YOU SOMETHING ABOUT MY GIFT.

[singersigner]

beep beeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

what do you want to know?

I want to know if your gift is in any way useful to town right now. I honestly don't know what it is, or how good it is. I'm planning on gifting Fate tonight.

And why haven't you used it yet?

[singersigner]

Fucking-A.
AGM, I would advise blocking either Spyrex or MasterSpy tonight. Just sayin.

[singersigner]

Fate, once this game is over, you can thank me and Sevei for finding scum.

[singersigner]

I bet money that scum have daytalk, and Plum said "fuck it. Fates locked in and he won't let go. Bus me now Sevei, do it hard."

That didn't answer her question.

Fate, when Sevei flips town, will VV finally be confirmed?

FUCK. Scum must be having a fucking field day knowing that there's a known bodyguard who's able to BG

3

people if imbued, NOT getting imbued tonight.

Fate, you realize that if VV is imbued, we're guaranteed 4 townies tomorrow? Why do you need to imbue someone who's pretty much confirmed town at this point?

VV, FATE IS TOWN. HE IS THE VICTIM OF A FAILED KILL. CLEARLY. WHO THE HELL ELSE WOULD'VE VISITED FATE N1.

[singersigner]

No one's lynching Fate.

Sevei knew quadz was targetting Fate. If she was scum, she would've known that and not tried to kill him knowing it would fail. If VV was scum, he would not have been confused as FUCK when Gandalf know for certainty that he did not lose his bulletproof, OR claimed. All it proves is that mafia has a roleblocker.

We NEED to lynch one of Spyrex and MasterSpy, and then AGM needs to roleblock the other. If, and only IF, something doesn't add up after that point, then we can look into just about anyone that's left in this game, considering all of our claims add up with one another, EXCEPT MS and Spyrez's claims.

[singersigner]

Fate, YOU were the one calling quadz scum at the end of the day. STFU or GTFO.

[singersigner]

FATE.

I'm going to speak very slowly so that you understand.

MasterSpy or Spy gets lynched. VV needs to get imbued. He needs to protect YOU, Gandalf, and AGM. AGM needs to block the other Spy. Gandalf needs to protect me. I guaranfuckintee you there's no kill tonight.

There's three of us now who've collectively decided who two of (where did this four scum come from??) the last scum are. Our stories match. Gandalf needs to realize this. AGM needs to grow a pair.

This is how we're doing it. If we do it any other way, your death sentence.

[singersigner]

AGM, I hate you so much right now.

Fate, no, I am not still alive because you said so. AGM confirmed what was needed to be confirmed to show that I am in fact, a town player.
The flawed logic in your plan is that there's the potential for a scum roleblocker to be out there. Sevei is CLEARLY not that. Regardless. No matter what. It has to be one of the Spys.

WE LYNCH ONE OF THE SPYS. AGM BLOCKS THE OTHER ONE. VV WILL NOT BE ROLEBLOCKED TONIGHT. VV BODYGUARDS YOU. HE MIGHT DIE REGARDLESS. SUCH IS LIFE.

YOU WILL NOT DIE TONIGHT NO MATTER WHAT.

Gandalf, I know it's an honor to be imbued and shit, but I would really like it if you thought on your own for once, and realized that Sevei and VV are NOT SCUM. We are wasting a day by lynching Sevei.

[singersigner]

VV and Sevei need to get on the Spyrex wagon before Gandalf gets off it.

Also. WE NEED TO IMBUE VV.

FATE.

YOU WILL NOT DIE IF THIS HAPPENS. I PROMISE YOU.

Why do you think MS and Spyrex are so willing to let Gandalf be imbued? They're making sure that's just one more person who won't get protected tonight. Instead of five people guaranteed protection through the night, there's only three.

Hell, both of them were ready to imbue AGM which would've been useless to town in the long run.

[singersigner]

Oh. Silly me. I thought you wanted a gift tonight.

Preview Edit: No. Not just one of them. BOTH of them. If AGM blocks one of them, we wouldn't know if we're blocking the one that roleblocks or sends in kills. Or neither. Or by luck, both.

[singersigner]

Oh. I took out this part. "IF GANDALF IS IMBUED, GANDALF NEEDS TO PROTECT ME SO THAT I CAN BE SURE TO GIVE YOU A GIFT TONIGHT."

WHY ARE YOU DELAYING THE GAME.

[singersigner]

THEN LYNCH SPYREX.

The answer's pretty easy.

It's apparently either Sevei/VV or MS/Spyrex, and you're being a dipshit and choosing WRONG.

I'm not so sure it's that important that Fate's protected tonight. If he's not going to get a gift, and he doesn't have anything worth saving, why protect him? It's too bad you got Mason, which doesn't leave much to be desired. I was trying to work with you here, but I could care less if you were around. Sevei, VV, and I know where it's at.

[singersigner]

I can't trust incorrect intentions. Sorry. Not happening. You're just butthurt about being wrong and too stubborn to back out now. Where did YOU learn to play mafia?

Fate, look, I want to give you a gift. Trust me. But if that doesn't happen, why do you think that is? MasterSpy's goal has been to get me lynched almost the entire game. Don't you think it would be in his best interest to roleblock me and prevent me from gifting you to make me look bad/not make you more powerful than your obnoxious voice already is?

If VV's imbued then Gandalf can protect me. If Gandalf protects me then I live. If he's roleblocked then I'm not and can still give you the gift.

Gandalf's confirmed town, too, by the way. Just fyi.

Fate, is the only thing making Sevei scum the fact that she knew VV probably wasn't going to protect quadz...the person YOU called scum at the end of the day? Because again, I'm still not seeing how you're not making the connection that VV and Sevei have to be scum together, which you've implied...since their actions aren't telling of being mutually exclusive scum.

[singersigner]

AGM I SWEAR TO GOD IF YOU DON'T ROLEBLOCK MASTERSPY TONIGHT I WILL FIND YOU IN YOUR SLEEP AND CASTRATE YOU.

Fate...you're getting a pretty present tonight for being a good little boy and voting for Spyrex.

Sevei needs to hurry up and hop on the band-wagon.

Gandalf, I'm ok with imbuing you because you'll protect VV and VV will protect Fate. NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

unimbue

imbue: Gandalf

[singersigner]

Uhh...

That was...lovely.

Anyway, Spyrex, who's your scum partner(/s?)?

[singersigner]

...

Are you just avoiding it, or refusing to answer?

[singersigner]

Woooooooooooo.

Ok. Then who IS scum?

[singersigner]

The confirmeds being Fate, Gandalf and AGM?

[singersigner]

And I agree with you about Sevei. There's no way one is scum without the other.

[singersigner]

But how could we be "confirmed" by action, having these actions line up and supposedly "confirm" us? Which one is least likely to be "confirmed"?

[singersigner]

lol. funny voodoo...

Ok...I still don't know why VV not protecting quadz is indicative of him being scum, though.
YES IT WAS STUPID AS ALL HELL.
BUT.
There was plenty of suspicion of quadz waffling around at the end of the day, mostly by Fate (and yes, I'm choosing to blame Fate for this one because we know all hell breaks loose if we don't follow his plan), and I think it was a gamble to choose not to protect him.

I think if scum knew that VV might not protect quadz, they would've taken a gamble to kill him, too. At any rate, VV's bulletproof would be lost.

Speaking of which, Gandalf, who did you protect last night, out of curiosity?

[singersigner]

Why do you think tomorrow is LYLO? That would mean we have four scum, wouldn't it? Do you really think we have that many?

Sevei, please look back at Spyrex's claim and look how that doesn't add up AT ALL. Look how there's almost no way for it to fit in with the rest of us/confirm himself. I don't think there's any way that he and MasterSpy can't be scum together at this point. But at least Spyrex is the wagon we can get other people on.

I can deal with imbuing Gandalf (though I still feel like VV is the better choice), but we need to compromise with Fate and Gandalf.

But...don't hammer until Gandalf or VV is imbued. That hasn't been finalized yet.

[singersigner]

You know what … fuck it. None of the three of you get a long detailed response.

1. You ignore them.
2. All you do is throw down rhetoric.

I’m not wasting my time trying to convince scum or VIs about who is scum.

This made me lulz.

Spyrex’s claim is horrible.

Sevei’s play has been bad and reserved. Only today when pressed has she made any specific attempt to ‘scum-hunt’.

Furthermore her Plum suspicion has all the earmarks of bussing.

Add in the whole “Teehee, Mason could be scum” element.

UNVOTE: Singer
VOTE: Spyrex

It's even funnier because you were voting Sevei.

[singersigner]

Also,

V/LA this weekend

. I forgot how busy actually going out of town will be for me. I'll have internet access at night, so I'll try to respond to things then.

[singersigner]

Yeah, I'd much rather lynch MS, but whatever floats Fate's boat.

Dude. I'm totally down. Just get AGM on that shit, and I'll switch my vote. I feel like the only reason Fate's not submitting is because of their bromance or orgy or whatever. If you convince Fate to vote MS, fucking hop onto that shit. I don't care. MS has apparently checked himself out of scum-hunting and has moved on to bussing. So, whatever. He's becoming useless now. Point that out to Fate. He has no excuse now.

AGM...can you just roleblock the Spy who's left? I wanna gift at least once more to see what other kinds of goodies Andy has come up with.

[singersigner]

My play hasn't been as scummyas you've made it out to be. Like I've said, when you flip scum, I'll forgive you for you're snarky remarks and hypocritical statements. Fyi, scum-hunting's the only way you can get away with looking pro-town, so yeah, you've lost all sense of looking pro-town since you've realized you've lost.

You have yet to point out where I pushed you to respond to anything.

Also, Fate, the post was to mean I'd be willing to lynch either (which I've said plenty of times before), but MS is more annoying/a sore loser. Spyrex is at least entertaining.

[singersigner]

EBWOP: your*

[singersigner]

Ugh, I can't check on the phone...is Gandalf imbued already? I'm still voting Spyrex, right?

Scum just needs to be lynched already so we can win this game. AGM, still needs to roleblock MS tonight.

[singersigner]

Thankfuckinggawd.

[singersigner]

VOTE: MasterSpy

[singersigner]

MS IS THE FUCKING ROLEBLOCKER ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED.

[singersigner]

To hell I am.

[singersigner]

Why are you choosing to take the long way, Fate?

And why lynch Sevei after VV flips town? In my opinion (and in a couple others, I might add), it was either VV/Sevei, or the Spys. Well...one Spy flipped, and now we get the other.

Also, why did Gandalf dying make VV scum? Your plan for the night was imbue: Gandalf, Gandalf protects VV, VV protects you. Everything looks like it went according to plan, does it not?

[singersigner]

You seemed to have it in your thick little head of yours that VV and Sevei's claims didn't add up so they had to be scum together. Do you really think that there are four scum in this game? Because if you don't, there's no way they can be scum

together

with two flipped scum already.

[singersigner]

What makes you think he was actually roleblocked? Although I'm actually surprised I wasn't roleblocked...

But everything happened just the way you wanted it to. It's just unfortunate that you were too stubborn to let VV get imbued so that way we could guarantee Gandalf's safety. Herp derp.

[singersigner]

imbue: VV

There's no one else worth imbuing since AGM's pretty much obv confirmed town at this point.

[singersigner]

Why wouldn't I? The only claim I don't believe is MasterSpy's.

[singersigner]

And we lynch MasterSpy throughout all of this?

[singersigner]

And dang...my gifts are GOOD.

[singersigner]

Yeah sure why not.

Bless you.

[singersigner]

What kind of third party role would Sevei be? Survivor?

Preview Edit: Second that on MS's claim. They were mutually exclusive and have no way to be proven by anyone but themselves. Broken setup all you want, but that's what happens when scum fake claim. They can't prove it to anyone if they've chosen to go another route. Now, if quadz had seen Spyrex or MasterSpy visit Fate N1, and one of them claimed tracker or something of the sort, it would be more believable. But neither of them did that. They were forced to claim something that can't be backed up by ANYTHING.

Hey MS, who did you "investigate" last night? Me, Sevei, or VV?

Also, THIS IS WHY HYDRAS NEED TO NOT POST OUTSIDE OF THEIR HYDRA. IT TOOK ME FUCKING FOREVER TO REALIZE MOI POSTED THEIR CLAIM INSTEAD OF DOING IT AS MS GAWDDAMNIT.

[singersigner]

Sevei, do you know what Gandalf did last night?

[singersigner]

OH DUH.

Gandalf was unprotected, so of course they would want the one person they can't mislynch who talks to Sevei to die.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T LISTEN TO ME FATE. GAWDFUCKING DAMNIT.

MS, who did you roleblock last night?

[singersigner]

WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT TO THE REST OF US. GANDALF COULD STILL BE ALIVE IF IT WEREN'T FOR YOU.

Can you PLEASE explain why you don't believe VV's claim again?

[singersigner]

First things first – surprisingly we were not role-blocked last night. Our Sword scan on SingerSinger returned with ‘No Sword’. That combined with Spyrex’s Legolas flip and the kill flavor means that despite the horribly bad play Singer is Town. Just bad Town.

Like I said, I'll forgive you in after-game after FATE FUCKING REALIZES THAT ME SEVEI AND VV ARE RIGHT. Also, who is supposed to have a sword again? So far, all I've seen are scum with arrows, town with swords. I also like how you didn't investigate one of the more controversial roles of yesterday (i.e. Sevei or VV). Instead you decided to selfishly investigate the person ONLY YOU thought was scum (only to retort to "well she must be stupid since I can't call her scum anymore"). Didn't you learn your lesson when hohum selfishly killed Katy N1 just do he wouldn't have to deal with her?

And why lynch Sevei after VV flips town? In my opinion (and in a couple others, I might add), it was either VV/Sevei, or the Spys. Well...one Spy flipped, and now we get the other.

Classic false dilemma. It must be either / or. With again no reasons why. Nice flip-flop on VV and Sevei being possible scum today when yesterday you screamed like a child who got no dessert about them being 100% Town.

I never thought they were scum. Fate with his herpderp logic made that to be the case. I never once called them scum, nor will I ever. Scream all you want about broken setup, but it is what it is. They're town, you're not.

Why wouldn't I? The only claim I don't believe is MasterSpy's.

Of course you don’t because you the resident VI this game. Of course two strong protective roles (Doctor and Bulletproof Bodyguard) exist but an investigative role doesn’t.

I’d ask you to articulate logical reasons why but that’s beyond you.

Like I said, I'm forgiving the insults coming from scum. If you recall, half of quadz's power was being a watcher, which is an investigative role. Just because we don't currently have it, doesn't mean it's not in the game. Also, there's that good ol' rhetoric you tried to use to paint me as scum. *sigh* How I've missed obv scum when I see it.

Let me ask you – why are you so enamored of VV’s claim of role when it has NEVER worked. N1 he claimed to protect Fate but Quadz confirmed he didn’t visit Fate. N2, despite being Ringed up to protect 3 players he suddenly chooses not to protect Quadz and he dies. N3 he once again fails to protect successfully.

Did you overlook the fact that he wasn't actually supposed to save anyone last night? Everything was a ploy to keep Fate around because he's a fucking selfish bastard.

If it takes our lynch and once again the ‘lack of protection’ to convince Town that VV is the scum he obviously is so be it. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Oh! Oh!
Can we

please

lynch scum now?^^^

[singersigner]

Ok. Lynch Sevei and VV protects you, me, AGM?

AGM...you still have your roleblock then, right?

[singersigner]

Fate, why do you think there wasn't a roleblock last night?

[singersigner]

He couldn't. He knows that as soon as he gets me lynched, he's dead. He had to clear someone who was obv town but WASN'T CONFIRMED by the end of yesterday.

And hey, why would he fake getting roleblocked when he saw how well getting roleblocked worked out for VV?

Also, apparently you missed what Andrius posted about how the first roleblock to be sent in would be the one used. I'll put money on MS roleblocking AGM so he could still send in a kill.

Fate, you're playing a WIFOM game here. Stop it. You're crossing into dangerous territories.

Preview Edit:

Like I said, I'm forgiving the insults coming from scum. If you recall, half of quadz's power was being a watcher, which is an investigative role. Just because we don't currently have it, doesn't mean it's not in the game. Also, there's that good ol' rhetoric you tried to use to paint me as scum. *sigh* How I've missed obv scum when I see it.

Ok this makes me laugh.

1. You accusing me of using rhetoric means I’m scummy, but all you’ve done is use that since Day 1. If I didn’t have an Town scan on you I’d be screaming to hang your self-contradicting ass.
2. I love this – quadz was a watcher so we have an investigative role, so yours makes no sense. DERP … two protective roles make perfect sense … HERP A DERP. When you decide which side of the argument you actually believe let me know.

1. I never said using rhetoric meant you were scummy. I

implied

that you used my use of rhetoric as a scummy point against me for the last two days, but using it yourself is hypocritical, and then saying that I'm hypocritical and using that as a point against me...my head hurts with your backtracking.
2. Again, I want to point out that I didn't say yours didn't make any sense. You completely made that up. I'm saying that if you're going to fling shit on VV's protective role claim, saying that there can't be two protective roles, when you've claimed an investigative role while we already have a confirmed investigative role, something's amiss. Your argument about there being more than one of the same kind of role being sketch doesn't hold any water.

Did you overlook the fact that he wasn't actually supposed to save anyone last night? Everything was a ploy to keep Fate around because he's a fucking selfish bastard.

No, I didn’t overlook the plan yesterday. Why are you overlooking the fact that his claim has NEVER, EVER come close to being confirmed. Here’s a rundown of VV’s play

1. Night 1 – I protected Fate … oops I was blocked.
2. Night 2 - I conveniently protected everyone but the claimed Watcher who threw doubt on my claim.
3. Night 3 – Sure I’ll protect Fate since that’s the plan. I didn’t protect successfully? What a shame…

1. Yes he was. But there wasn't a kill, so herpderp, why are you complaining?
2. Except by the end of the day, quadz was getting more heat than VV. Fate needs to stop with this bipolar shit and decide if he wants people to listen to him or not. He said quadz wasn't to be protected N2, and now he's barking up the wrong tree because he was wrong to tell VV not to protect quadz.
3. How convenient for you that VV's an idiot and Fate's fucktastically stubborn.

Oh! Oh!
Can we please lynch scum now?^^^

Yes, we can lynch VV anytime if you are so inclined.

I have a question for you.

Do you believe that we have four scum in this game?

[singersigner]

YOU'RE FUCKING DRAGGING IT OUT WAY FUCKING LONGER THAN YOU HAVE TO. THERE'S NO WAY I'M VOTING FOR ANYONE OTHER THAN MASTERSPY EVER FOREVERANDEVERANDEVERANDEVER.

YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT SPYREX. COME TO THE DARK SIDE FATE. YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO WIN SO JUST WIN ALREADY.

THERE'S NO WAY THAT SEVEI, VV, OR I ARE SWITCHING OUR VOTE SO EITHER END WITH A STALEMATE OR PROVE MS WRONG.

IT WASNT BIPOLAR OF ME TO FORCE QUADZ TO OUT HIS INFO. IF HE HAD FUCKING DONE THAT WE WOULDNT BE RIGHT HERE WOULD WE?

HERE.

HERE IS EXACTLY WHY MS IS SCUM. He calls me scum for "outing" quadz and yet let's you slide with NO COMMENT WHATSOEVER. Why would he do that? Answer: He wouldn't unless he was setting me up for a mislynch knowing that if he went after you, too, you'd turn on him.

His actions are completely inconsistent. HOW YOU CANNOT SEE THIS I DO NOT KNOW.

[singersigner]

VV SHOULDNT HAVE LISTENED TO ME NAD NOT PROTECTED QUADZ.

Wholey SHIT you ARE bipolar...

[singersigner]

Why is MS voting for AGM...I think that's a mistake since he wanted to imbue him...

In any case, AGM, you gunna fight the quest for good health and bodily perfection and join the winning team now?

[singersigner]

Because she might be a survivor that will win with us if we lynch scum?

How is she otherwise scum again? Because she can talk to us at night if we're imbued?

Quite frankly, I'm concerned with why you're so set on MS being town. How can you just overlook the shit they're spewing out of their mouths right now?

What if MS-scum is the roleblocker, roleblocks VV while killing one of you, me, or AGM, causing you to mislynch VV tomorrow, giving him the win. Unless you no-lynch tomorrow (in that scenario) and promise to kill MS NO MATTER WHAT.

[singersigner]

Have we confirmed that?

[singersigner]

I only remember speculating it wasn't true because they didn't roleblock quadz N1, but how do we know that for sure?

[singersigner]

That's true. VV, be a good boy and comply with town's wish to know your action last night. kthx.

Why are you obsessed with people killing you Fate? Chances are they probably roleblocked VV thinking he was going to protect quadz anyway, to kill someone who actually had a good role, and not just a Mason...no offense, but you're not worth killing.

[singersigner]

No offense, but you really must suck at mafia if you think confirmed town is not worth killing.

Except quadz was confirmedlulztown with a fucking badass power. Gandalf was confirmed by quadz with an actual power. THERE'S NO REASON TO KILL YOU IF EVERYONE ELSE IF CONFIRMED HERPDERP.

No offense, but you seriously suck at mafia if you still think Sevei's scum at this point.

[singersigner]

Except the oh so cheeky Spyrex who "wasn't a Nazgul, not even close" also said there was definite scum among the confirmeds, there was a teaparty (which no one will define for me despite repeated requests but I'm assuming it has to do with location of scum on wagons) on the non-overlapping PlumLynch/QuadzImbue wagons, and that "we only get one shot to untie this knot." Seeing as how SpyreX is the type of player who can sit there and tell the truth as scum and avoid being called on it for most of the game, how many of these other statements are true, just like his "not a Nazgul" one?

Oooooh. I forgot about the Nazgul bit. I believe it was MS who tried to say that me practically claiming Sauron=/=Nazgul means I'm scum. Who else isn't a Nazgul?

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Hey MS, that's the first post without insult I've seen in a while. I appreciate that. I'm almost positive I claimed it somewhere along the lines with explaining the gifting of AGM, but my super is allowing the gift to be used WITH the power of whoever's gifted. That's why I chose AGM N1, and Fate N3. I didn't think sending an unconfirmed message mattered a whole lot, and Fate had claimed Mason which *theoretically* doesn't have any powers at all. So neither of them would be giving up anything good.

But yeah, I never thought imbuing me was anything spectacular, so...yeah...

I'm seriously burn to the point of tears Singer...please. I'm town. If you've learned anyrhing in mafia its dlont trust people till they're 100% confirmed.

I am. I propose a way to win.

Your objection is that you think ms is obvscum, well I don't. Our reads are different, so I went out of my way to find a plan that compromises such that whoever of VV and MS is scum, town wins.

Gloating can come laterr, I don't care. I judst want a guaranteed win. Please singer.


Please.
Please.

Agm please vote Sevei.
MS please vote Sevei

Ok...I can do this...but only because you asked nicely.

If MS has anything left to say, I'd like them to be able to say it before ending the day. I'll vote later tonight.

[singersigner]

I gifted quadz. I thought I said that in my claim. In any case, he died, so he couldn't use whatever I gave him. But he was pretty much confirmed town at that point, so I didn't see a problem gifting him.

[singersigner]

This is what I invision:
1. Sevei dies.
2. Sevei flips town.
3. VV protects AGM, Fate, me.
4. Probs no kill.
5. Five alive tomorrow.
6. Imbue AGM.
7. Kill VVlolwtfroflcopter???
8. VV flips town.
9. AGM dies.
10. Fate+SS lynch MS

Town win.
*sigh*
I really hate how we have to draw this out.

[singersigner]

I'm really sorry to do this, Sevei, but it's clear nothing else is going to happen.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sevei

For the record, I will not be lynching VV tomorrow. I know it won't matter because MS will vote for any town, and AGM will sheep whatever you say as opposed to actually contributing anything of his own...but I just wanted that to be known.

If we lose because of this, I swear, I will cut a bitch.

[singersigner]

DOES THAT MEAN THERE'S A DAY 6?

(bah?)

[singersigner]

Win Condition: You win when The Heroes of Light equal or outnumber those loyal to Mordor (the town), or nothing can prevent the same.

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AGM isn't alive.
So with 2 alive it takes 1 to lynch.
They can't lynch today.

What happened was simple. AlmasterGM hammered, and submitted his RB action nearly ten minutes after the hammer- during which time MasterSpy submitted his action blocking AlmasterGM. MasterSpy killed AGM N5, leaving only two players alive D6;

while there were 3 votes

, there were only two bodies, leaving the physical count at 2. 1:1, scum win.

That some stupid shit going on there.

[singersigner]

...I still have no clue how we won this game. No, seriously. How the fuck did we win it?

You won it because town had the biggest fucking handicap known to man and his name is Fate.

Fuck you Fate.

Fuck you.

[singersigner]

Oh believe me, I'm already withholding sex from quadz.

He STILL thinks he made the right decision the stupid fucker.

But...the thing about their mistakes is that they were just big mistakes that were made once. Fate was consistently ornery and fucked up everything for the last three days.

Thank you Spyrex for not gloating about it. I would've hunted you down and castrated you if you did.

[singersigner]

Oh yeah...

Fuck you AGM for being a useless twat and being one of the biggest contributing to losing the game for us by sheeping the ONE person who was WRONGWRONGWRONG since the beginning of D2.

You better fucking jump through hoops and do cartwheels to make up for your lack of testicles.

Fate and AGM. MUP.

(That's Most Useless Player in case you didn't get that)

Fate also made the mistake of assuming there weren't two protective roles. The dumb fucker.

[singersigner]

Spyrex...what was up with your claim?

[singersigner]

Yeah, thanks a fucking lot for letting Fate back into the game. What was the point in taking him out if he was just going to con his way back in.

[singersigner]

CSL's looking for someone to review a game.

[singersigner]

<3 Sevei

I'm really impressed by your game. High respect points from me.

[singersigner]

<3 Vas. Thanks. Like I told...someone...I'm much better in small games *I think.* Quadz and I are going to be hydra-ing in large games so we can get better at them, since we both suck at keeping everything straight.

I'm proud to have been on the non-idiot team with you. I'm sorry we were outnumbered.

[singersigner]

First: I had a town-read (or at least null, certainly not scum) on MS. Second, I thought Gandalf was a watcher, which explained why he knew that VV didn't visit Edge. Finally, I was paranoid that Edge was scum, and that my roleblock had stopped the kill.

EXCEPT YOU MISSED THE PART WHERE GANDALF CLAIMED DOCTOR YOU DUMB BITCH.

[singersigner]

I dun it.

He's lucky I'll still play in games with him. >:(