For it being the first time you get to play against me.
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Beautifully done. I had to stop for a moment before it clicked, at which point I had a good hearty laugh at that, purely because it made me stop and think. Even if you're scum I might keep you around if you keep the comedy up. .iamausername wrote:It's not usually done, I know, but I have reason to believe we should massclaim immediately in this particular game. I'm really hoping I don't have to explain why.
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Erm... Because everyone should suspect everyone at this stage, just some more so than others? That's what I would suggest anyway. It seems strange to say you can basically only suspect one person at a time, especially to then push that issue.Saga wrote:Hai Xite. Can I ask why you didn't answer my wonderful question?
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I answered because it didn't seem like that much of a worthy question to require taking much time up over to be honest. It's page 2, so it's not as though we're going to have great reads on everyone yet. Also you just said that Xite (Who I think is male) said it was distancing anyway... so that is answering why Xite suspected them both, and it's something that scum often do as well.-
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Seeing as it's not worked. I actually had somewhat of a plan in voting for you Lee. At this stage I don't think you're scum. However, an early wagon can often draw up some opportunistic scum. So I threw a vote on you, and waited to see who did what with it.
As it would appear, we didn't get any scum coming out of the woodwork to try and drive the wagon any further forward, so it has become a bit pointless. But that will explain why I deliberately ignored your comments towards me until now. To answer them would have given the game up right at the first hurdle.
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I'm somewhat curious as to you thinking I was going for an honest to god quick lynch though, you seem rather "jumpy" with your actions Lee. But at the moment I'll class that as possible town getting unnerved by a vote without a reason on them as I admit I have done so in the past.
But CA is also curious, considering you are admiting to voting me solely to get a wagon going. Interesting.
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Bit defensive there suddenly? I merely said I found it curious and interesting. Which it is being as scum could have easily jumped on the previous wagon and obviously didn't, so if that was your intention it obviously wont be working.
Incidentally, as I say, I only said it was curious and interesting, I never said I felt you were outright scum because of it. The defensiveness based from nothing at all is noted however.-
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Because you outright said you just wanted to get a wagon going. How will any mafia see that and go "ah, must be a good lynch then"? I stuck with giving no information to see if others might follow, evidently they didn't, there's a small difference in doing it, which is why I'm curious about your way of trying things.
Also, nobody really says "that was a curiously scum move" either. It was a curious move, it's neither pro-town nor anti-town, it's just curious. But why are you acting so defensively? That's what's currently rubbing me up the wrong way now. Lee I understood, he was (as it seemed) being wagoned for no reason whatsoever, and it appeared to him to be people hurrying him to a lynch, so I can understand him being defensive and agitated that he's being wagoned so heavily. You don't get that privilage.-
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Lee, I picked you solely because you already had two votes on you, absolutely no other reason, at that time I had no clue if you were town or scum, just the knowledge I could get some info from not just yourself, but from others who might choose to hop on the wagon.
CA, what's wrong with a bandwagon? Nothing in essence, but there has to be a reason, throwing your vote onto absolutely everyone is helping nobody, for one you're not building a wagon by changing your vote so often because it isn't hanging around long enough to create a possible wagon. For two you've announced by your own hand that your ENTIRE reason for doing so is to find where people stand on various players... well you can not only do that without wagonning absolutely everyone, but by announcing what you are doing, you have destroyed it's effectiveness.
That was why I refused to give any more info on my voting for Lee, I couldn't give any actual reasons. I couldn't come up with any bullshit to spew to vote for him, as when I voted him I had no reason, but I wanted to make out I'd "seen something" that led me to him, hence saying the minimal at the time. The only person who did do anything was Lee himself, who jumped on the defensive fast, and as I have said, for good reason, so I feel he's possible town now.
CA is looking scummier in my eyes the longer this goes on, and... iamausername makes an exceptionally good point both with jumping onto Leech for no reason, and then the view of CA avoiding accountability for his actions. So with that in mind...
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No Lee, my logic has no holes in it, you're just not understand where I'm coming from, but let me attempt to explain.LoudmouthLee wrote:
This is coming from the guy that posted the 3rd vote in me when the game was 6 posts old! There's nothing wrong with a bandwagon if there was a reason.... I find significant holes in your logic here.PranaDevil wrote:Lee, I picked you solely because you already had two votes on you, absolutely no other reason, at that time I had no clue if you were town or scum, just the knowledge I could get some info from not just yourself, but from others who might choose to hop on the wagon.
CA, what's wrong with a bandwagon? Nothing in essence, but there has to be a reason, throwing your vote onto absolutely everyone is helping nobody, for one you're not building a wagon by changing your vote so often because it isn't hanging around long enough to create a possible wagon. For two you've announced by your own hand that your ENTIRE reason for doing so is to find where people stand on various players... well you can not only do that without wagonning absolutely everyone, but by announcing what you are doing, you have destroyed it's effectiveness.
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My point is that my reason for the wagon on you Lee was to see who needlessly voted for you with absolutely no reason. Which was my reason for voting you, it wasn't to get you lynched, it was to begin a wagon to see if anyone jumped on it without question. I've seen it work in the past. It doesn't even necessarily nail scum right off the bat, however it DOES have the benefit of getting us well out of RVS. And yup... it has. Page three and RVS is in the past.
However CA's wagons had no reason because the reason he's stating is nullified the very second he states he wants to wagon for the sake of wagoning. It's interesting to note that the second that is pointed out he is strongly pushing for my lynch. I would go so far as to say that CA is actually trying to push for my lynch now because he was caught out, and can no longer hide behind the random voting.-
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Not got a clue where Xite is going anymore. I don't believe Nexus is scum after that post that Xite is claiming to have seen something in. How's about giving us your information rather than expecting us to play "guess the scumminess"?
and CA, your latest post makes no sense to me, I've stated exactly what I thought at the time, and the hypocritical thing I don't get... you are wagon hopping between anyone possible and not giving chance for these wagons you claim to want to ever pick up steam. I at least gave chance to see if anyone hopped on Lee's wagon. So don't try saying my plan and your plan were the same here. Hell, I wasn't saying what my plan was when I voted, and thus completely ruining the entire purpose of the vote in the first place.-
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lol what?
I don't even know where you're going with that one... it is the same, because we were both after the reactions of people. However you said you wanted to start a random wagon. That obviously shows that you had no clue if the player was scum (or knew they weren't ) and so no right minded scum would fall into that trap, as was already said it reads exceptionally like "I don't want to be responsible for my actions so I'll claim I'm voting randomly".-
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I'm not seeing it Xite, but then Nexus is playing mafia because I brought it to another forum recently, and he's jumped here to play more games too. There is zero RVS there as it stands (Everyone's scared about being lynched it would appear), so Nexus isn't used to RVS to begin with, so a 3 page RVS would be rather long to him. So it's a null tell to me purely because of current meta from the site he transferred from.
Also, we're only onto our 3rd/4th (running simultaneously) games on the other forum, and Nexus only started up in the second. So he's also pretty new, thus I'm not going to be calling stuff that is generally just noob stuff as scummy.-
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Active? I thought I was being less active than normal for me considering I'm modding 2 games elsewhere, playing in two on here, and a third on another site, and was busy all of today. I guess I do have a lot of free time at the moment so, so it's not all that surprising.
Still, not surprised I'm viewed as scummy, I tend to take the view that I'd rather come off scummy initially to get discussion going, than potentially have a long drawn out RVS.-
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Hadn't really noticed dalt before fitz. But the fact this isn't his first game, and he knows how he should be voting are rather concerning. It's not even a possible noob tell, just a blatant attempt to lie about being a new player. Not sure if I'm going to vote for him as it would feel more like a policy lynch (Lynch All Liars) but it's definitely shifted him up in my views of being scum.-
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I'm starting to get the feeling Xite is actively searching for things to try and comment on, regardless of how small and pointless, in the interests of "scum hunting".
I also notice how CA, who is currently taking the lead in votes, is given a nod towards being town according to Xite, but no reason is given. Sly attempt to buddy, or slight attempt to convince everyone your partner is town Xite?
Also Xite, what if Nexus (or anyone to be honest) finds that the players they feel are scummy have already been commented on? Are they to then outright ignore those players and try calling someone they feel is town out as scum, despite not feeling that way towards them?
Sorry, but your demand to make a case on someone else unnerves me quite severely. It's like saying "Don't look in this direction, look somewhere else or you're scummy".
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Apologies, I normally wait for the e-mail notification before checking threads these days, and never got one for this thread at all since my last post, so I've quickly caught up and I'll respond to a couple of things that stood out.
4 - I didn't mean not focus on you, I meant not focus on people already being targetted, as if you're somehow trying to defend them without outright defend them, that's how it came across to me.Xite91 wrote:4) I don't think I ever said not me in my request. If he finds me scummy, then I wholly encourage him to try and get me lynched. Of course he's going to see my responses and have to judge from there, just like how I would expect it to be with anyone he made a case on. I just don't want any more "Oh I'm a noob, don't lynch me plox" because that, IMHO is a noobscum tell. This is my exercise for him to help him be a better player.
5) Of course you would. You're cute you know that?
Regarding the EBWOP for number 5 after, yeah it was a typo, I'd be all for a Dalt lynch after that. I'm not one for an instant "Policy Lynch" as solely focusing on those will take us straight into brown trousers time. However I feel there's a huge difference between a general policy lynch of someone caught out lying, and someone who was using their lies to try and make town believe they were new and didn't really know how to play, especially when there's evidence to prove otherwise. It smells of trying to gain sympathy points and I don't like it.
Right, so there's a little pressure on you from others, not even votes yet, and yet you come rushing in and vote me citing that you don't believe my explanation of baiting scum? It's not exactly like I'm the only person who does it. I picked up the idea from RayFrost in fact when I played a newbie game with him, I wound up hating RVS so I'll do what needs to be done to get out of it, even if that makes me look a little scummy to begin with. Much better that than spending 5 or so pages doing nothing but joking about. I'd rather get straight in there.Korashk wrote: Unvote
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I don't believe your explanation of baiting scum as a reason for starting a wagon. It's a fairly weak defense.
With that said, I'm going to be honest with you all. I will not be very useful to you all until there has been at least one lynch. I am not good at picking out textual tells and analyzing posts.
However, you follow that up immediately with you saying you're not good at picking out textual tells or analyzing posts. So you vote me, state a reason, and then basically admit your reasoning wouldn't be good anyway? Wha?
Not to mention the fact you didn't pay close enough attention to get a good Voting list (Hell, you had Lee voting for himself in the first one).
Now... onto Nexus.
Much as I think you seem to be a stand up bloke, in this game you're beginning to small a bit of scum. You're using phrases like Tunnelling when at this stage I honestly don't think anyone has. Xite has, indeed, focused on you a fair bit, but he's looking elsewhere too. So that's not tunelling, and that would be the absolute closest player you could even attempt it on as he's been pointing out stuff you've said for a while. Then you've used OMGUS, which doesn't really work if the person has a reason for voting you beyond "He voted me!".
Finally though, the reason your vote was still on Lee... you "forgot" to remove it, but yet it was done to see how he reacted? Sorry you can't have it both ways.-
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I wasn't going to mention Dalt going MIA, because I pretty much did yesterday, and I don't want things to come across in a hypocritical manner. It is possible the site decided to have a temporary hiccup and Dalt was waiting like I was, but c'mon, by now he should've checked the thread. Same goes for CA, I hadn't really noticed his disappearance until iam's post, but yeah... what gives guys? Heat hits and you go running?
My vote's staying on CA though. especially after iam's point about him not only going MIA and pointing out he stated he was pushing for a lynch, only to suddenly go back on that and claim he wasn't pushing for a lynch.-
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An hour IS a short timeframe... especially when you've already stated that random voting "this many people" "accomplishes nothing", only to random vote someone who again isn't already being voted for.
Nothing of signifigance was posted in that time either. Just 3 posts, one being Commie responding to the "commie hate" you jokingly responding to it, and Leech posting his joke vote.
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Korashk wrote:
Alright, I'll bite. What part of your post, the entirety of which is quoted below, gave a reason for not voting?PranaDevil wrote:Another thing you're ignoring is my reason for not voting in the first post.
Korashk wrote:Just a little Vote Count, the contents of which I find odd:
Prana (1/7) [Lee]
Lee (3/7) [Nexus, Anon, prana]
commie (2/7) (username, Xite)
Dalt (1/7) [Saga]
username (1/7) [having]
That's freaking crazy and random voting this many people accomplishes nothing.
Observations:
- username didn't realize that this game was all vanilla, probably an innocent mistaske but I'm keeping my eye on him/her
- Lee attempting to explain away the random vote thing and giving evidence to substantiate this is trying too hard. A simple "this is how we did it in the day" would have sufficed.
- Having also didn't read that there are no roles in this game, again keeping my eye on.
- Lee is getting pretty defensive, I'm saying that he's town for now.
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Okay, I was letting Nexus and Lat have their debate, and seeing what I could get from it. Nexus appears somewhat scummy to me, but I'm still not sure if he's outright scum, or it's because he's not used to the seriousness of this site. So I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Dalt is still suspect, I'll give him a pass on the fact it wasn't a full game he played before as he replaced out. However an activity post and nothing more is always suspect from where I sit. I want to hear Dalt's comments on everything that's gone on, most noteably everything regarding him.
However, by default that means havingfitz shoots up my suspect list. I'll admit to not actively checking the game Dalt was in until it was pointed out, because I honestly didn't think someone would stretch so far as to link to a game someone replaced out of in short order, and while it still supports Dalt knowing how to vote. I think it makes HF look scummy to be trying to portray Dalt as a liar.
I'm still not liking CA's reasoning so much, because if he were trying to do what he says he was he would have known pointing out what he was trying to do would also have got him nowhere, and it smells more like not wanting to be responsible for his votes.
However, one thing I DO like from CA, and it's made me look in that direction more, is his comment on Korashk, which stands out to me even more so after he claimed he had a reason to not vote initially, despite never actually posting one, but yet somehow claiming he had to discredit what I was saying.
So for now...
unvote; vote: Korashk
CA looks scummy to me a little, but Korashk is saying more by not saying anything at all after he was called out on that point, and I think he was hoping it would blow over by the time he returned. I'd like to see more pressure on Korashk.-
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Right, where do I begin?havingfitz wrote:
How am I trying to portray him as anything? A fact is a fact. People can make excuses for dalt’s post in this game compared to his past but I have stated nothing but the truth. In post 100 you were suspicious of him as well after I made my points on him. So how am I now shooting up your list of suspects?PranaDevil wrote:Dalt is still suspect, I'll give him a pass on the fact it wasn't a full game he played before as he replaced out. However an activity post and nothing more is always suspect from where I sit. I want to hear Dalt's comments on everything that's gone on, most noteably everything regarding him.
However, by default that means havingfitz shoots up my suspect list. I'll admit to not actively checking the game Dalt was in until it was pointed out, because I honestly didn't think someone would stretch so far as to link to a game someone replaced out of in short order, and while it still supports Dalt knowing how to vote. I think it makes HF look scummy to be trying to portray Dalt as a liar.
I initially took your word at it's face value, I assumed if you'd gone to the trouble to look at Dalt's history you would have done so in depth, I saw no reason to check your reasoning. I've since realized to never do that and to always, always check. Reason being the following:
It's been revealed that Dalt replaced out very quickly, this means he may not remember so much about how things are done here.
It's also been proven that the game was, if I remember it rightly (it's 12:30am, and I'm not going to check), TWO years ago. That's a long time to be remembering something you barely looked at.
Despite evidence pointing this out, you have still decided to pursue Dalt, something I really don't like. Dalt may be somewhat scummy for his disappearing act, especially as he HAS said he plays elsewhere, which means he must enjoy Mafia. But that doesn't change that everything else isn't that scummy, he may have forgotten he had signed up, or just deliberately chosen not to mention that game as he felt we'd react badly. Which is a fair point. (If he was here, I'd let him answer, he's not, so I'm going to have to think of possible reasons that prove you shouldn't just assume someone is lying) Why did he not know how to vote? Perhaps where he plays they don't type vote in bold letters, perhaps they just bold the name of the player they're voting for? You are assuming every site plays the same as this one and they don't.
So basically, your arguments don't hold water, and thus they are invalid, the fact you continue pushing them despite people pointing this out makes you scummy, and look desperate to try and convince people you are right.-
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Lat, I actually never thought he would take my view quite so literally if that's what happened. I think he meant that we had to add the : between vote and the player we were voting for, mainly because I've always had to put vote first. So if he thought I meant "just bold the name and that's it" he took me at my wording a bit too literally. Though it does stand out further and make HF scummier.-
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They're invalid because you are looking at them in a black and white "he's lying or not" position. You're ignoring (deliberately or otherwise) the huge shades of grey in between.
I'm not saying he wasn't lying, but I'm pointing out that to say he 100% definitely was it ridiculous.
Also, how do you know he remembered his password? I use this name on a couple of other forums so if I went back to one I'd previously signed up to, but used a different password I'd have to e-mail to get it resent to me. Or perhaps he uses the same password for everything? These are the shades of grey I'm talking about.-
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Buggered if I know in regards to percentages, I have no clue if he deliberately lied or not, I'm just pointing out to claim he deliberately lied is to paint him scummy for your own ends, and to not actually consider all possibilities, which we, as town, should be doing.havingfitz wrote:OK...you admit he lied. You don't think he was 100% lying (shaking my head). What % would you assign to his lie and what % of a lie do you find objectionable?
Okay, now assume he uses the same username on every forum he goes on, and forgets he's signed up here before, and goes to create an account and is told the username already exists...I did not think of the password email reset possibility but whether he uses the same one all the time or had a new one sent to him, that doesn't take away the fact he at least recalled he had an existing account...which negates the comment you made about him forgetting he had signed up. The fact he had an existing account would indicate to most people that they had participated in activities here which goes against what he said in his first post (that lie thing again).
See where I'm coming from here? His next action is "Oh, have I already signed up here before? I wonder..." tada.
It's called seeing things from all angles, sure, there's a chance he's lying. But considering it's a huge 2 year gap there's much more chance of him not lying and your blatant refusal to see anything beyond that lie makes you scummy, but not as scummy as...
You mean the guy who replaced out and is no longer playing this game? Vote switch time.ConfidAnon wrote:Hey guys, I would like to call to your attention that Korashk posted just yesterday in his other game.
Can we get some votes on him?
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HF, it can be disputed, as I'm not the only one disputing that he's not actually lying.
There is a huge difference between not being sure/being forgetful, and outright lying.
Things aren't set black and white, you are deliberately ignoring the fact there are other potential factors, everyone is pointing this out, and you're sitting there with your fingers in your ears ignoring everything people are saying, convinced you are right.-
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Not a clue, like I say, shades of grey, stop looking at this as a black and white situation for a changeDid dalt lie? Not looking for rationalization...just a yes or no answer.
Yes, did you ignore my point about some people use the same name on all forums they are on?Could dalt have completely forgotten the fact he had played on the site before? This would require him not remembering he had an account (which he is using) and a password (which he either remebered or had reset).
But as you seem insistant on outright ignoring that point, I'll quote it here:PranaDevil wrote: Okay, now assume he uses the same username on every forum he goes on, and forgets he's signed up here before, and goes to create an account and is told the username already exists...
See where I'm coming from here? His next action is "Oh, have I already signed up here before? I wonder..." tada.
You mean apart from the fact that (as someone else brought up) he didn't want us to believe he was a flake right from the offset? Yeah, that would be a lie even if he forgot he had an account as once he realized he had and got a password reset/used the password he normally uses for stuff, he'd be able to check what he's done before, or at least know he's been on the site before.If dalt did recall that he had an account and therefore had probably done something on the site before (and what do we do on this site?????)...then what non-lie reason could he have for claiming this as the first time he had played here?
But does the last one make him scummy? No, not in the slightest, it makes him a human who doesn't want us to see him as an asshole before we get started.
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I meant more along the lines of whether you find any of his posts scummy or not, and what you feel about his dialogue with other players.LlamaFluff wrote:217 (PD) - I do not even know what you want here from me. Saying that my predecessor was not that great of a player? If so, Korashk was not a very good player.-
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Let me know what you want me to comment on and I'll give an opinion, I'm just not seeing a great deal to comment on. When I do see something I do comment (As you'll have noticed) but when I'm seeing arguments where I don't really have strong feelings either way I find it better to watch and see where things go so I can get a read of the situation and of the players involved. But I'm more than happy to comment on anything if you let me know what you want my view on.Nexus wrote:I'm also wondering whether we might get a bit more from Prana.-
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Exsqueeze me? No evidence that I understood the set-up? You mean beyond thinking iam was joking about claiming, thus quite obviously showing that I found it funny BECAUSE everyone would be going "I'm Vanilla, how's about you?" Nope, no evidence there, no siree.tomorrow wendy wrote:9 – Prana (first to claim on iamausername’s massclaim list) states that iamausername post was not a serious post. Does not claim. No evidence that he understood the setup from first post.
From his reactions to my "accusing" him. He was obviously frustrated that he was getting heat that early on. Scum would've been more inclined (in my experience) to be laid back about it and shrug it off that early on. Town want to know why there's a quick wagon on them for no reason. It's got nothing to do with whether I felt he was town when I voted for him, I've made that point quite clear.tomorrow wendy wrote:48 – Prana unvotes LML, and states that his vote on LML was an insincere puch to get scum to vote for LML. Says that it didn’t work. Fails to state why he thinks that LML was town, or why his plan didn’t work.
As for why the plan didn't work, no bugger fell for it and hopped on the wagon, that's why. I thought all of this was quite obvious at this stage of the day?
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No, sorry, his gambit "failed to catch scum" because I don't think it was a worthwhile gambit. Scum early on would play safe and claim vanilla. Which means unless scum were the last two to claim they would have to have been a complete dolt (dalt?) to make that mistake in a normal game, let alone a game like this where everything is staring you in the face.tomorrow wendy wrote:His gambit failed to catch scum due to your play. I assumed that you did not understand. To be clear: you knew the setup on page one? Why didn't you go along with the massclaim after iamausername stated that he was serious?-
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Wendy, this is your first game surely, as I'm getting a strong sense of not paying attention to things coming from you at the moment.
At the start I thought he was joking, thus I posted saying so.
When he responded to it I had no idea where he was going, so no, I didn't "understand the goal" of it. In fact I've never once said I understood the goal of it until he said what the goal was, so thanks for putting words in my mouth there.
My vote on LML was, as I have repeatedly stated, a gambit to catch scum myself, it failed miserably but alas it has worked in the past and was worth a shot.
But basically your entire case on me is the following:
iam tried a gambit, I thought it was a joke, he said it wasn't, I chose not to role claim anyway.
Right? That's your ENTIRE case on me... of everything that's been said in the game, of every scummy comment made, of which there have been a few (and some of them by me early on in an attempt to lure out scum, like I've already said previously, multiple times), what stands out to you is I didn't follow a single player's gambit when I didn't even understand their gambit at the time?
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What the? Read what I'm saying, namely this:tomorrow wendy wrote:so you didn't understand his gambit at post 8? then once he made his "It wasn't a joke" post at post 12 you did understand?
Why did you choose to not go along with it? Why didn't you claim?
"In fact I've never once said I understood the goal of it until he said what the goal was, so thanks for putting words in my mouth there."
He damned sure didn't say what the goal of it was in post 12. Please to be not putting words in my mouth any longer.
When it was announced in the Sign Up thread, so before the game had even began.tomorrow wendy wrote:2 questions for everyone that didn't replace in:
at which post number in the thread did you understand that this setup was open, with 2 vanilla scum and 10 vanilla town?
Buggered if I know, and I'm not about to go check just because you wish to tunnel on me for some god awful reason. But here's a hint, it's a damned sight later than post 12.at which post number in the thread did you understand that the goal of iamausername's post at post #8 was to catch scum claiming power roles?-
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I strongly advise a harsh dose of comedy Wendy.
I thought a JOKE was beautifully done. I wondered why he wanted us to claim and then realized "Ah, it's an all Vanilla claim, he's pissing about, clever".
So I thought his goal was to crack a joke in the RVS.
I felt I made that blindingly obvious at the time what with the "I had a good hearty laugh at that" line.
Now are you going to try scum hunting or are you destined to just distract town by tunnelling on me over a completely pointless issue? Because if it's the second one I may well vote for you on principle so we can get you out of the way and get on with some real scum hunting here. (Not to mention while I may have been arguing Dalt's case, it didn't mean I felt he was town, I just felt he didn't deserve to be run into the ground like HF appeared to be doing. But two players not helping town in the same slot is rather curious in my view).-
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I've been watching proceedings, and I do comment when I see something I feel requires comment. But in the past I've responded to almost everything and cluttered up the thread with needless banter when being a bit quieter would have benefitted the town as a whole, leaving my comments to when they are required.
Regarding my vote on CA, as it stands I still feel he's likely scum. His early wagon pushing and claiming he was trying a gambit (despite announcing said gambit when he was placing the votes) didn't sit well with me. Along with his statement of wanting to hear more from Korashk not long after he had been replaced made me feel he wasn't following the game properly, which in turn suggests he's scum not paying too much attention. (Had he been aware Korashk had been replaced I feel he would have said "whoever has replaced Korashk" or "Korashk's slot" not just plain "Korashk")
I'm really not liking Wendy's play, though whether she's scum or not I'm unsure about. I could be getting a bad feeling because she's painting my early game comments as scummy despite ignoring the obvious with it. It could just be noob play focusing on one thing and ignoring everything else.
HF is also scummy to me still. If only because he was pushing Dalt heavily despite him not being here. It feels like he was hoping for an easy lynch and got stuck arguing it when nobody felt it was the way to go.
As for why I'm not pushing CA. Because at the moment I'm not entirely sure exactly who is scum, that's why I'm keeping an eye on who's saying what, seeing if there's two people backing each other up regularly, or if anything stands out, and when something stands out I do mention it. I just feel a lot of things brought up about people haven't been as scummy as they've been made out.
But I have previously stated I'm more than happy to respond to anything anyone wishes to ask of me. So if there is anything you want to direct me to feel free.-
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Well I highly doubt half of the players in the game are scum. Though I do get where you are coming from, it's possible people saw my point that I tried a gambit and latched onto it as an excuse to act scummy.
It's one thing to begin the game, get discussion going, and hopefully nab scum in the early game, but for others to latch onto it does seem strange. So no, no FoS from me, I like the thinking, it's not something I'd thought about before.-
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Actually I've always said just because Dalt was a noob it didn't mean he wasn't scum. Wendy's play just increases the possibility for that slot, as I can't see two people in that slot making a right hash job of things.
As for the question, doesn't really change my opinion of his play so much. As I was more trying to show the shades of grey, his play what little of it there was, was god awful no matter how you sliced it. I just don't like to see someone getting slammed for something in a "black and white" type of scenario when it's more likely a shade of grey in the middle.-
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Because even when he said he wasn't joking, it still felt like he was just deadpanning his joke. It was RVS, and as Leech has said, plenty of people joke around in it. I generally hate RVS in general but I do appreciate a good gag as good as the next guy (normally more so in fact) so it seemed like a good line to me.tomorrow wendy wrote:I still don't understand why you decided against claiming. What would it have hurt?
Why did you choose not to cooperate with a ploy that could catch scum, after he said that he was serious?
But I'm with LmL on this one. Wendy's been pushing pointless topics since she entered, has jumped over anyone who so much as looks in her direction and given no true solid reasoning for her actions, while continuing to flog a dead horse when it had died prior to her entering the game.
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While I agree at some point we could do with a No Lynch to even out the numbers properly, I don't feel Day 1 is EVER the day to do it, as you lose information from the lynch, and leads to day 2 with no information beyond who died. I don't like that.tomorrow wendy wrote:FWIW nolynch today is optimal for town. at some point we will have to get of of evens (NL @ 4 alive with 1 scum remain is really rough for town, and each day we wait until then yields a slight loss of expected win %)
However, I also don't wish to get stuck discussing that point as it's Mafia Theory, and will distract town as a whole.-
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Lat, first when you request someone to respond to questions can I strongly advise repeating them so they don't need to search to find them? Anyway, questions answered below:
Overblown to be honest, looks to me like two town arguing back and forth.1. What do you think about the Lateralus / Nexus situation
Possible scum, though that's still focused mainly on my feelings towards Korashk, Llama's been pretty neutral play wise. At this point I wouldn't like to see a lynch on him.2. Your current views on Korashk/LlamaFluff?
I don't really see a Lat/Xite situation at this point, more a lot of people pointing out a fair few flaws in Xite's play. With Leech's recent post pointing out Xite stuffed up Iam's gambit, and by his own admission, knowingly did so (unless he wishes to backtrack the statement that he knew what the gambit was). Followed with his most recent posting where he's basically saying Leech should only find him scummy if he also votes him. Thus suggesting we should all be vote hopping anytime someone says something we deem scummy. So right now I'd be all for a Xite lynch.3. What do you think about the Lateralus / Xite situation?
Think I've answered this a few times, but while I still find HF scummy, I also find Adendy and Xite scummy, and obviously CA as I only recently removed my vote from him thanks to Wendy pissing all over her/his own shoes with the self voting and sudden voting (and pushing) for a No Lynch on day 1.4. Any other suspicians or alternates to who could be scum if fitz turns up town?-
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I much prefer Nightwolf's view on the No Lynch situation. No Lynching just before MyLo is the best course of action. No Lynching now gains us nothing of use for tomorrow and leaves us in much the same spot we are now.
Today we are lynching, that's the general consensus, and thus I think the discussion has run it's course.
Also, deadline is just 4 days away, so we need to make a decision, as it stands it's increasingly looking like the options are Wendy or Xite at the moment. Personally I'd rather Wendy (and it appears 3 others do too), however I'd be happy with a Xite lynch too at this stage. Either way we need to start making our decisions soon.
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If you're scum, we'd like to thank you very much for making it easy.
However it is suspicious, as surely even if wendy is scum, he could have done a much better job? Getting classed as scummy to that extent is poor play whether you're scum or town. Not just if you're town... so I'm wondering if HF knows something the rest of us don't?
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Being as LmL is voting wendy, I'd have said that one went without saying. I don't feel wendy is town either. The sudden vote hopping, the almost deliberately acting scummy play... it's not town behaviour in my view.LlamaFluff wrote:
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Can we move away from the No Lynch discussion? I'm getting annoyed at the fact you are deliberately trying to distract the town by dragging it up seemingly every post. We are not no lynching, we have already decided that as a group, it is not optimal play, and it is only going to distract from honest to god scum hunting. The only reason someone would want to continue pushing something when it has long since been decided it's a waste of time discussing it at this stage is to deliberately distract town from the actual scum hunting they are trying to do.-
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Okay... HF has posted nothing there suggesting we have a Day 2 No Lynch, and you are putting words in his mouth.
You are suggesting that it would be optimal play to No Lynch tomorrow (you're wrong again, someone else already suggested the ideal time for that is 1 day from MyLo, which isn't day 2).
So not only are you content with attempting to keep everyone focused on trying to No Lynch, despite the fact it's been routinely pointed out that it's not happening, and that it isn't optimal (it isn't), even by your own words (which is what HF was actually getting at there, namely you need 2 flips to work off, and that happens faster by lynching today anyway, thus contradicting yourself). But you're also attempting to claim HF has said something he hasn't?
Thanks to that I'm now much less concerned about HF being scum, but as good as certain you are. So thanks for that at any road.-
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I still don't see it, it just seemed to me to be him arguing against the fact a No Lynch is optimal this early... which is solely what you are suggesting, and I'm still stating, point blank, you are wrong. It's not optimal this early because it gives us nothing to work off.tomorrow wendy wrote:FFS, please reread it. He was asking "How so" in reply to "if we do that then no-lynch becomes optimal on day 2, and informed scumhunting still doesn't begin until day 3."
That's also the last I'm saying on the subject. This entire Lynch or No Lynch discussion is absolutely ridiculous and is distracting, and a waste of time as well, outside of the fact it's making me more and more want to see wendy lynched for pushing it.-
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Okay... first, HF, don't worry about a no lynch, in the rules we have:
Now, wendy... I'm sorry, but dragging up ONGOING games is just throwing stuff to see if it sticks. The worst bit about it is that you're playing that fine line between discussing ongoing games, and just mentioning there IS one.16) At deadline, the player with the most votes is lynched. If there is a tie, the player who had the most votes first will be lynched.
The problem is not a single other player can comment on those games WITHOUT getting mod killed. Which, as far as I'm concerned, is a scummy trick to try and eliminate some competition early on before you get lynched and thus buy whoever your partner is some free time.
Sorry, but drag up previous meta by all means (I still don't like it as a defence, but whatever), but don't drag up ongoing games. At best it's anti-town as it's potentially making people comment ON said game, at worst it's scummy. Either way it's bad play.
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Except those two players (Of which I'm one) CANNOT comment on Xite's playstyle between the games without being mod-killed. Thus it's still pointless. Yes, Xite is questionable in this game, and it's this game I'm using to judge it. Not previous ones.
And warning or not, how is anyone meant to make USE of the meta without referencing ongoing games? They can't, thus you've posted the warning to be able to do what you've just done "But I told them not to reference them" while at the same time saying "hey, look at this ongoing meta we can use".
Sorry, but it doesn't add up however it's sliced.