Responding to prod, that is the one and only time I will get prodded in this game. Sorry for the inactivity.
HF wrote:If dalt doesn’t get any traction soon I will switch to Korashk.
Later in the thread, you do just that. This does throw up red flags with me. You push a case on Dalt, and then decide that if people don't jump on, you'll just jump on a bandwagon that already has steam? I'm not sure I like that. You spent a ridiculous amount of time trying to get us onto your baseless case on Dalt, only to give it up at the drop of a hat? I wouldn't find this so scummy if it weren't for the fact that you're clearly emphasizing that you believe your case has merit. It doesn't, but the fact is you seem to believe it does.
HF wrote:1. Did dalt lie? Not looking for rationalization...just a yes or no answer.
2. Could dalt have completely forgotten the fact he had played on the site before? This would require him not remembering he had an account (which he is using) and a password (which he either remebered or had reset).
3. If dalt did recall that he had an account and therefore had probably done something on the site before (and what do we do on this site?????)...then what non-lie reason could he have for claiming this as the first time he had played here?
1. Impossible to say. Demanding a yes or no answer on this question is a manipulative way to attempt to get people to agree with you. When they wouldn't have otherwise.
2. Absolutely. You know there's this wonderful thing called "Auto Login" which keeps track of sites you've registered on, and doesn't force you to manually log in on every visit. Also, I use the same username on every forum. On sites that I don't have to worry about personal information being shared, I use the same password as well. So, regardless, he could have either been auto-logged or remembered he signed up, but not that he made two posts in a game two years ago.
3. He could have forgotten, he could have not considered that a game. You know, he could have actually intended on playing this game, and considered it the first game
played
on this site.
CA wrote:Obviously I mean his playerslot. The fact that he replaced out of this game when he took heat, but not another game, is hella suspicious.
I've over-burdened myself in games before, and had to drop a few just to have time to give each game the attention it deserved. There is absolutely no information leading us to believe that there was a scum motive behind that. I never understood why it's such a common thing for people to say about player replacing out. It is null.
Xite wrote:Not convinced, pretty sure.
Sides, if he wasn't, we'd find out
, didn't add that part partially because it seemed obvious, and partially because it really wasn't my intent to catch Nexus-scum because I didn't think he was scum, and still don't.
Ok, so you weren't convinced, but pretty sure he was town three posts in? This reminds me of an off-site game where someone tried to accuse me of "distancing" from my scum partner in my first post in the game. There was absolutely no exchange present, I merely asked a simple question. That player flipped scum. Townies shouldn't be pretty sure of something so quickly, if at all.
I seriously don't like the bold either, that is unbelievably scummy. With your defense of Nexus, if successful, we might not find out he's scum even if that is the case. I can see why you didn't add that part in the first place it's not obvious, it's pretty scummy.
LlamaFluff wrote:216 (leech) - Why is this scummy? I will try and throw around a bunch of things like that to get people to listen to me if I otherwise cant.
I don't think LmL is really that scummy anymore. I simply found it odd how quickly he resort to his experience to try and give his comments more credibility. You're actually proving my point, though.
LlamaFluff wrote:unvote as I realize I never did upon replacing in.
Why is an experienced player unvoting without placing that vote elsewhere? I'm sure you're versed in mafia theory enough to realize that not having your vote somewhere is pointless. Especially when immediately after you list two players you find scummy. Why didn't you vote for them, look at the reaction, and review the reaction? Unvoting for the sake of unvoting is poor play.
Nexus wrote:1. List one was written off the top of my head, without checking back in the thread. I couldn't remember some the players, so I listed all the players I could remember, hence some people being missed off. Which is why Xite is on the list.
I hate scumlists in the first place, but it's so much worse when you'll post one without even thinking about it. You just literally said you made a scumlist with a person on it that you wouldn't have, had you read the thread.
HF wrote:That brings me to suspect 1a. Llamafluff. Primarily for Korashk’s play. In the two post’s of content Llama has provided…the only things I have issue with are: the no-lynch comment and the subtle ad-hominem attack on me insinuating I am not playing well this game…which I read as people shouldn’t put any merit what I am saying (which coincidentally has been the case re: dalt).
So, you abandon your case on Dalt for this. You list one parroted reason, and an OMGUS against Llama, but state it's "primarily for Korashk's play" when you never state specifics on. Last time you mentioned possibly jumping to this wagon you had stated:
HF wrote:If dalt doesn’t get any traction soon I will switch to Korashk. Llamafluff if a good player who can probably sweet talk out of korashk's bad play…but in terms of D1 suspicions I think that player slot would be a good lynch.
Is that intentionally vague? You just said it's "bad play" and "in terms of D1 suspicions" which has absolutely no substance at all. You just gave up a case you appeared to believe in for one that you haven't even stated an actual reason for. You have your two weak reasons for Llama, which even you claim are lesser than an unstated reason that you apparently can't specify and only reference indirectly.
Xite wrote:3) It's not something I can explain. It's just a gut feeling based on what I've seen from other noobs. Wording, amount of posts, and content of posts have very little to do with it, its the feel of the post that makes me think he's town.
Gut feelings should never be enough to actually make a judgment alone. If all you have for thinking a player is a specific alignment is "gut" then there's probably a reason you don't have anything more substantial. Gut feelings backed by logical deductions from events in threads are one thing, but if it's mostly gut then it's mostly irrational reasoning with no logical backing. You can be wrong, you know. Basing judgment on gut is an egotistical "I'm right because I know I'm right" standpoint that should be avoided. Also, I'm always weary of a player that acts on gut reactions that is a defense that cannot be disproved. When it comes down to it, you've had a "gut" feeling nearly the entire game? I find that extremely unlikely to actually be the case.
Overall, I'm comfortable with my vote on Nexus. He's done absolutely nothing to change my opinion on him, and Xite's die hard defense isn't doing him any favors. Though HF is quickly climbing up the suspicious ladder with his flip-flop wagon just because people didn't agree with a case he clearly believed in.
