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ScoreHero - 1.5 gamesanimorpherv1 wrote:How much experience do you have playing mafia? Please include any off site forums which you play to.
Mafiascum - lots of games
I'd say that meta sucks and this question is pointless.animorpherv1 wrote:What would you say is your scum meta is?
What would you say your town meta is?
Lynch the person who put them at L-1 the next day.animorpherv1 wrote:Someone just got quicklynched, and is town. What do you do?
Lynch the person who put them at L-3 the next day.animorpherv1 wrote:Same situation, but quicklynched is scum.
Vote my strongest town read. They're keeping me alive so they can get me to ML.animorpherv1 wrote:Your #1 scum read got NK'ed last night, and you have no reads on anyone else, and it's LYLO. What do you do?ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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If I have no reads on anyone at LyLo, then I'm playing a terrible game.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I feel slaxx has betrayed me. Confirm faster!ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Implying that you're town before the game has even startedNicodemus wrote:(unless you ml me D1 in this game too Parama )ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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EBWOP: I forgot to mention EpicMafia in my experience thing. I'm addicted to that site. I also won a bronze trophy there recently
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If I think Nikanor is town, he's scum.
If I think Nikanor is scum, he's town.
For future reference.
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Meta is the worst invention in the history of mafia. I will physically abuse anyone who tries to use meta.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Ani, you're getting waaaay too hung up on your pregame questions... considering that they aren't applicable to just this one game they're not the most important thing ever.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Something like that doesn't mean much coming from Ythan <____<animorpherv1 wrote:@Slaxx:
I don't need to. There was a quote in his sig for a while that shows how badly he acts. Still there, it seems:
Ythan, on my play: "Scummy and bad are not the same. Some players manage to keep them separate, though I applaud how masterfully you blend them."
Anyways Nico's a good player IMO. You are going for OMG EXTREME POLICY LYNCH... have you ever played with him before?
@Nikanor: I'm not opposed to it but this seems more like VI behavior than scummy behavior.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Okay, something needs to happen.
The scum in this game are kunkstar7, Nachomamma8, and Stethoscope.
GG.
Yo bro I'm reaching for a reason not to random vote because I want to take the moral high ground now so I can lead later!Nachomamma8 wrote:Vote: animorpherv1
For the weak FoS comboed with a failure to vote change. Isn't my being the only person to refuse to answer your random questions a better reason than the one behind your random vote? If not, why the FoS?
Yo bro I'm overreacting to a random vote but I have nothing better to do so hopefully this won't look like paranoia!kunkstar7 wrote: Looker, why no reason for your vote, regardless if its random or not? Same to muh316.
Yo bro I haven't even posted acknowledging my presence in this game, I'm just going to be the lurkerscum of this game!Trumpet of Doom wrote:Stephoscope replaces The1fifi. Please welcome him to the game!
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You wanted to take the leadership role so you can get a lynch wagon going. It's likely a ML.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I wold answer the question but slaxx already gave the correct answer.Nicodemus wrote:
hush, let Parama answer on his own please.Slaxx wrote:Nic, Parama is talking from a different point of view in that post. He is assuming (rather strongly) that nacho is scum and that of course a wagon led by a scum is likely to be (but no guaranteed)on a townie.
I don't know if ani is town or not. But if I have a scum read on someone pushing his wagon on D1, then ani is town by association.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I gave my reasons based solely on in-game content thus far. Did you read my post?Starbuck wrote:
Why?Parama wrote:The scum in this game are kunkstar7, Nachomamma8, and Stethoscope.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Then why did you ask me why I FoSed those three?ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Oh geez. Those are the most likely scum right now. And for now I will be sticking to calling out the scummiest players because it's scumhunting!Starbuck wrote:Because I would like you to elaborate on how you can pick out all 3 scum at the very beginning of Day 1.
Starbuck's response looks like: Scum is curious as to why two of their scumbuddies have made my list of likely scum this early in the game!
I think I see a Kunk-Nacho-Starbuck or a Kunk-Stepho-Starbuck team now. More likely the first, though I want to see something from Stepho before I make a decision.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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And is there a problem with that?ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Okay, look.
Here's the deal.
This game was dying before discussion had really begun.
I jumped the gun.
We have achieved discussion.
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The implication of my initial post was to spark discussion as well as giving my thoughts and hopefully getting reactions. The lack of discussion was the root of the problem, though - there wasn't much to take info from yet. And if I had failed to spark discussion, then I wouldn't be getting much of a reaction.
As you can tell, everything's been going as I hoped it would - we have discussion, reaction, and *GASP* scumhunting!ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Okay, why is Cherub right?
More specifically, what makes me wrong?ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Comment on my opinions.
Give your own scum reads.
Spark discussion yourself.
At least I'm doing something, right?
You may not agree with my reads or my opinions but you have to admit that I did spark a nice discussion, and it seems I'm not the only one who thinks kunk is scum at the very least.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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And another question - do my actions (scumhunting, trying to spark discussion) make me scummy? If so, for what reason? If the answer to the first question is No or if you can't come up with an answer to the second one then this whole exchange is rather pointless IMO.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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And again I am forced to ask - what is wrong with me giving 3 scum reads? Assuming three scum in a mini is a safe bet, so it's always good to have 3 suspects to pursue.
If you have an issue with the abrasiveness of my accusations, suck it up. It's not going away any time soon.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Oh geez, because I gave scum reads, justified them, and defended them!Starbuck wrote:Unvote
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It would be really awesome if you could drop the egotistical arrogance.
You will be sticking to calling out anyone who disagrees with you. That, my dear, isn't scumhunting.Parama wrote:I will be sticking to calling out the scummiest players because it's scumhunting!
The hypocrisy here is stunning. I'm linking you to my reads because you overreacted to them. Makes you look like what you call me.Starbuck wrote:His sudden suspicion on me in Post 103 for asking for further elaboration doesn't sit well. I mean, it wasn't like I was suspecting him. Just asking for further clarification. His overreaction feels like nervous scum.
And obviously this makes me scummy. Having suspects early in the game = scum! Because obviously townies don't need to name their top suspects straightaway!Starbuck wrote:I've been playing mafia for awhile. I don't understand how ANYONE can have 3 suspects in 5 pages. Maybe 1, but definitely not 3.
This is going to be a loooooong game.
The issue here is that scum defenses are NEVER this obvious. Or... Slaxx is pulling a weird reverse psychology to make me THINK he wouldn't be that obvious because scum aren't that obvious, so it lets him get away with being that obvious, but then it means it's actually really subtle defending, in which case it isn't obvious... my head hurts.Starbuck wrote:Also,FOS: Slaxxfor quickly trying to come to Parama's defense. I'm pretty sure Parama can handle his own.
Add to the fact that I'm not scum, and it makes your point irrelevant anyways [/mech]ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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No, but if I assumed I was scum when making my posts that wouldn't come off too well. All my posts come from a townie point of view!ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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This page is a waste of my time, I did not read most of the posts here.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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What I mean is:
Starbuck's attacks are based on "ego" which doesn't have anything to do with scum or not scum. The silliness of these attacks is made worse due to the fact that me and slaxx aren't being egoistical at all... we're telling Starbuck why she's wrong!
I don't think anything Navy has said recently has made sense, either. I have no clue what you're trying to imply, sorry. Try again next time!
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It's the only reason you've given.Starbuck wrote:
That is not my reasoning for voting Parama or for FOSing Slaxx.Nachomamma8 wrote:Starbuck, are you fully aware you are voting Parama because you disagree with his playstyle? Are you also aware of the fact that you FoSed someone because they disagreed with you?
Looker is not allowed to do what he just did. Nobody is.FoS: Looker
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kunk, how the hell did you manage to misquote what I said as Slaxx's?
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oh hi... GIDEON.
Nacho is not on my scumlist anymore FYI.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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His recent posts are very pro-town in nature. And he wasn't topping my list earlier anyways. I like what he's been saying, and my top 3 scum reads have certainly changed over the past couple of pages (guess the list and you win a prize!)ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Scum using bad logic and overreacting to my scumlist. Implies that I had one or both of her buddies in my original FoS trinity.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Slaxx, the scumteam is kunk/Starbuck/Looker.
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Still happy with kunk.
Hasn't been saying much since I called him out, and he's been trying to argue against me instead of my logic. The only "defense" he's provided is that my sureness makes me scummier even though I didn't imply absolute sureness. And lo and behold I've changed 2 of my list. But there's a reason kunk is still on it.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I don't understand the ani case that well to be honest... the weak logic and the lurkingish is all I can see. And weak logic is more a symptom of stupidity than scumminess from my experience.
He's had some weird interactions with Nvay though; defending his responses/attacks on me and all.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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ITT Ani misreps everything I've ever said without understanding my logic and sides with Starbuck on everything ever.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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A lack of confidence = weak reads = I'm not doing a good job as town.Nikanor wrote:If anyone wants reasoning, it's that Parama is beingwaaaaytoo confident to be town.
Anyway, I don't get why the kunkstar wagon dissolved so quickly. Anyone care to explain to me why he's town?
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If you don't get it, reads change.
I'm not voting you because kunk is scummier.
There's nothing else worth responding to because your case is a disguised OMGUS.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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People bury votes under walls of weak reasoning when they don't have a good reason to vote for someone. That is called disguising a vote. And since I put you on my scumlist, you decided to OMGUS me, but you didn't want the OMGUS to be obvious so you gave weak reasoning. That is why your vote is a disguised OMGUS.
Now then.
1. "calling out anyone who disagrees with you."
I'm not calling out everyone who disagrees with me. The ones who do not give a good reason to disagree yet continue to disagree are the ones I am calling out.
2. "His sudden suspicion on me in Post 103 for asking for further elaboration"
This is silly because...
3. "His overreaction feels like nervous scum. "
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Blargh, Friday, really? x_x
I need to reread, if I can find a convincing enough reason to switch to Ani I will, but I won't vote him if I can't; kunk or Starbuck need to die first.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Okay I need to read more.
This is Nico overreacting in a similar way that kunk did. Can't believe I missed this.
What was the point of Starbuck's random vote in 97? Uneffective distancing technique?
Ani in 111 is annoying buddying and noncommittal play.
Slaxx stop buddying me please. The amount your doing is ridiculous; it won't work. If you flip scum (looking more and more likely each time you post) then I can assure you your bad attempts at buddying me will not get me lynched.
I can get lynched by my own means, thank you <_< (this line not meant to be taken seriously)
Stephoscope is a chronic lurker and needs to pay the price for lurking.
Looker "" "" "" "" "" "" "" ""
CMAR "" "" "" "' "" "" "" ""
Nicodemus "" "" "" "" "" "" "" to a lesser extent
Okay Slaxx where the hell do these reads come from?
Ani "" "" "' "" "" "" "" ""
I don't want to do it but we might have to resort to Lynch all Lurkers.
Meh, still not sure which way to go on an Ani lynch. A lack of kunk BW by deadline means I'll probably switch for the sake of things but I'd still prefer other lynches first.
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Slaxx is contradicting himself by attacking me.
Defends me for 7 pages, pulls a huge 180 and sticks me on his scumlist. No reason given for the switch.
Does not make any sense at all. Heck, not much Slaxx has done makes sense. Am I scum for defending Ani? If so, then if he flips town after you guys lynch him today I'll lolololol.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Note to Slaxx: Mafia NEVER obviously buddy their partners. Or maybe the WIFOM factor from being so obvious means they would do such.
Regardless, point out one time where I have "defended" Ani. Not against his lynch but there are 3 or 4 people who need to die first.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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He's not in the top 3. And he's only recently made his way up my scum list.
There goes the entire point of your last post.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I didn't comment on it because I didn't want to return the buddying and establish a link. Now it's getting ridiculous.Starbuck wrote:You didn't seem to mind his buddying when it benefitted you.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I don't think it's possible to overreact to obvious buddying attempts because they are generally done by scum and thus a great reason for alarm.NavyCherub wrote:
Looks to me like he's reacting to you calling him out for the buddying (which he denies but I think is present).Parama wrote:Slaxx is contradicting himself by attacking me.
Defends me for 7 pages, pulls a huge 180 and sticks me on his scumlist. No reason given for the switch.
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Parama wrote:
I didn't comment on it because I didn't want to return the buddying and establish a link. Now it's getting ridiculous.Starbuck wrote:You didn't seem to mind his buddying when it benefitted you.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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*headdesk*animorpherv1 wrote:
Also, Parama has never presented how he got 3 scum reads in the first 3 pages, although he was asked many many times.
I GAVE MY REASONS IN THE POST WHERE I GAVE MY READS. IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?
I also have changed 2 of my reads.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I gave initial scum reads.
They changed.
Reads have an odd tendency of doing that y'know.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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It's cause the attack is illogical and unjustified. Usually players will come to defense of other players if the attack looks scum driven.Starbuck wrote:Nacho, coming to Parama's defense as well.
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Nachomamma8 wrote:Starbuck, if I told you I knew all the scum in this game, would you believe me? Would you take me seriously?ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Question; has anything that Looker has done since you originally posted your case against him done anything to change your opinion of him?
I'm just glad you're not using lurking as a part of your case or I would have to brutally murder you for hypocrisy.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Okay, how am I nervous? Because I'm believe I'm right? Because I'm confident in my reads? Isn't that, y'know, the OPPOSITE of nervous?Starbuck wrote:It shows that he's nervous scum. Look at how he was acting over Easter weekend. Crediting himself with starting conversation, and acting like this whole game began because of him. No, doesn't fly with me.
I didn't "start" the game, but I really got the ball rolling with my 3-scum post. And you can't deny this because at least half of what you've said to day has been because of one post.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Slaxx's case on me: I am not joining the Ani wagon because I have 3 better scum suspects, and therefore I must be scum.
Considering you even admitted to parroting my reads earlier in the game, the contradictions to your calling me out as scum are self-evident and your logic is full of holes.
unvote, vote: Slaxx
Just... no.
For future reference, I have been liking Kunk's more recent posts, but he's still on my scumlist. But I want to the get the more obvious scum first.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Proof that I am telling the truth and Slaxx is telling us all that he is scum:Slaxx wrote:Lol I'm not buddying. And even so you only pointed it out after I FoSed you for not voting ani, you're obv buddy.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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*sigh* I'm just going to stop posting if nobody is going to listen to me.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Okay I'm not overreacting, especially if there's nothing to react to. I push cases I feel worth pushing and frankly I don't give a damn about what you guys have to say right now. I never said I was against an Ani lynch, but I have stronger scum reads that I wish to pursue. I'm sure I'll take heat if Ani flips scum, and frankly I don't care. For now I'm pursuing the cases I want to pursue, regardless of what anyone else says.NavyCherub wrote:
Yupyupyup. More overreacting from Parama, probably some really hardcore distancing too. If ani wasn't so scummy I would want you dead pretty bad.Slaxx wrote:Now you're pushing extremely hard for my lynch, calling me obv scum, before I even present my case.
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It's proof that your reason to FoS is me because I don't want to jump on the ani wagon. And you denied the obvious buddying from earlier pages in the thread. If that's not buddying I don't know what is.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Aww hell.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I admit, I am ani's buddy. Townbuddies stick together.
Slaxx, I would like you to present whatever case you had on ani before he was lynched and flipped town. Not going to hold anything in the case against you but you said you had a case yet did not deliver on it, thus I'd like to see it now.
Vote coming after a reread - don't expect any major changes.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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