Mini 950: DCI Mafia (The Results Are In...)

[Starbuck]

/confirm

[Starbuck]

How much experience do you have playing mafia? Please include any off site forums which you play to.

I've been playing on MS for almost a year (on April 24th). Numerous games here.

My introduction to mafia was on the View Askew message board (director Kevin Smith's site) around February of last year. I've also played numerous games there. Although, their way of playing is a lot more fast paced. One real day = One game day.

What would you say is your scum meta is?

I do lurk a lot more as scum, but I do have my times when life just gets hectic and I'm just barely here. I try to make my read the same over all.

What would you say your town meta is?

Scummy. I've been lynched more times on Day 1 as a VT than I ever have as scum. I haven't updated my Wiki for a couple weeks, but you can see this there as well.

I'm also the queen of endlessly drawing VT roles.

Someone just got quicklynched, and is town. What do you do?

Depends on my reads. The hammer would definitely gain my attention.

Same situation, but quicklynched is scum.

The same thing here.

Your #1 scum read got NK'ed last night, and you have no reads on anyone else, and it's LYLO. What do you do?

I'm going to be re-reading again with the new information in mind.

[Starbuck]

Wow, no courtesy even over holiday weekends?

That's sad.


Catching up later on today, as I planned to.

[Starbuck]

Go Go random vote on...

Vote: Stephoscope

Because it's been far too long.

@Nikanor:

IMO, if you refuse to answer the question, you have something to hide.

That's kinda harsh imho.

Unvote
Vote: Animo

The scum in this game are kunkstar7, Nachomamma8, and Stethoscope.

Why?




@Nicodemus - On your question to ani about why you instead of me, I do have a lot of experience playing with ani. He may have a different view of my meta than I do.

[Starbuck]

I did.

[Starbuck]

Because I would like you to elaborate on how you can pick out all 3 scum at the very beginning of Day 1.

[Starbuck]

Parama, the game was dead because it was fucking Easter weekend. I don't expect people to take time from being with their families to play mafia.

[Starbuck]

Unvote
Vote: Parama

It would be really awesome if you could drop the egotistical arrogance.

I will be sticking to calling out the scummiest players because it's scumhunting!

You will be sticking to calling out anyone who disagrees with you. That, my dear, isn't scumhunting.

His sudden suspicion on me in Post 103 for asking for further elaboration doesn't sit well. I mean, it wasn't like I was suspecting him. Just asking for further clarification. His overreaction feels like nervous scum.



I've been playing mafia for awhile. I don't understand how ANYONE can have 3 suspects in 5 pages. Maybe 1, but definitely not 3.



Also,

FOS: Slaxx

for quickly trying to come to Parama's defense. I'm pretty sure Parama can handle his own.

On top of that..

Frankly I agree with Parama's FoSs, although not with the Nacho one.

Already being lazy and parroting?

Why don't you agree with him about Nacho?

[Starbuck]

Stating that "you aren't scum" when you aren't cleared, doesn't really do much now, does it?

[Starbuck]

You didn't prompt me at all. So stop trying to give yourself credit where no credit is due.

[Starbuck]

Slaxx, really, there's not enough room in this game for all of us AND your & Parama's egos.

Get over yourselves.

[Starbuck]

I know it's ad hom, and right now, this discussion is null because I was catching up on the game.

YOU

DID

NOT

PROMPT

ME

TO

VOTE

FOR

PARAMA.

But if it makes you feel better, you can telling yourself that you did. Just drop this stupid distraction.

[Starbuck]

What sudden change? There's not really any correlation between the first post you quote and what I said under the vote. Why not read further and not cut and paste things to make yourself look better?

You seem to enjoy reaching. You may want to stretch before you pull a muscle.




I don't catch up on my games in any particular order. I also work. I'm in the military and stationed in Italy. My schedule is chock full this week so I have been getting posts in where I can. I normally have multiple text documents running if I have to catch up on more than one game.

[Starbuck]

How so?

He came out and said "These 3 people are scum". I asked him to elaborate and he pretty much blew me off, like it was too much for him to elaborate on how he fingered all 3 scum on page 4. That's arrogance.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck, are you fully aware you are voting Parama because you disagree with his playstyle? Are you also aware of the fact that you FoSed someone because they disagreed with you?

That is not my reasoning for voting Parama or for FOSing Slaxx.

[Starbuck]

Are you going to continually misrepresent what I'm saying and twist my words? Because it's getting old, very fast.

[Starbuck]

I never voted for you, Slaxx.

[Starbuck]

Sorry guys, uber busy weekend.

On Parama

It's the only reason you've given.

No, it's not.

Post 124 contains my reasoning for voting you. I'll put it in list form if you need me to.

1. "calling out anyone who disagrees with you."
2. "His sudden suspicion on me in Post 103 for asking for further elaboration"
3. "His overreaction feels like nervous scum. "

None of this is because I dislike your playstyle.

Scum using bad logic and overreacting to my scumlist. Implies that I had one or both of her buddies in my original FoS trinity.

LoL. You wish.

If you think I'm scum, why aren't you voting for me?


You started off with this list...

The scum in this game are kunkstar7, Nachomamma8, and Stethoscope.

of people that you say are scum.

Then you say that...

the scumteam is kunk/Starbuck/Looker.

Why can't you make up your mind?

Ani misreps everything I've ever said without understanding my logic and sides with Starbuck on everything ever.

LOL

On Nicodemus

I completely agree with Nacho in Post 167 that Nicodemus is copping out of scumhunting.

[Starbuck]

How is it "disguised as OMGUS"?



Reaching much?

[Starbuck]

Also, for the record, I didn't "appear on your scumdar" until I started challenging you.

So therefore, it wouldn't be me who is OMGUSing, but you.

[Starbuck]

I'm happy with my vote, especially because Parama keeps reaching by trying to put words in my mouth.

[Starbuck]

Why are you trying to set up lynches?


For the record, how many of you really have experience with animo?

[Starbuck]

Slaxx never appears on your "scum" lists, btw.

[Starbuck]

You didn't seem to mind his buddying when it benefitted you.

[Starbuck]

Which is exactly why you waited until it didn't benefit you anymore to point it out.

[Starbuck]

Because it doesn't read like Aniscum to me.

On Day 1, I'm lucky if I have one scum read. So I will keep presenting my case.


Also, I guess it wasn't obvious enough that I also suspect Slaxx.

[Starbuck]

But if you knew from page 3 that those 3 people were scum, why'd you have to change your reads?

[Starbuck]

Nacho, coming to Parama's defense as well.

Noted.

[Starbuck]

How is it illogical and unjustified?

[Starbuck]

Which question? I thought I did answer every question that's been put towards me.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck, if I told you I knew all the scum in this game, would you believe me? Would you take me seriously?

Probably not, but it's all about the tone.

Parama came out swinging and then the minute that I questioned him, I went on his scumdar? How does that make sense?

[Starbuck]

I mean, I wasn't even suspecting him at that point. I just wanted him to elaborate and if he overreacts that way to someone who wasn't even suspecting him, what does that show?


It shows that he's nervous scum. Look at how he was acting over Easter weekend. Crediting himself with starting conversation, and acting like this whole game began because of him. No, doesn't fly with me.

[Starbuck]

It shows that he's nervous scum. Look at how he was acting over Easter weekend. Crediting himself with starting conversation, and acting like this whole game began because of him. No, doesn't fly with me.

Okay, how am I nervous? Because I'm believe I'm right? Because I'm confident in my reads? Isn't that, y'know, the OPPOSITE of nervous?
I didn't "start" the game, but I really got the ball rolling with my 3-scum post. And you can't deny this because at least half of what you've said to day has been because of one post.

You obviously weren't confident in them, if you changed them so quickly.

[Starbuck]

Still pretty damn certain that Parama is scum.

Vote: Parama

[Starbuck]

He already specified it. The Color of who people are is the band's colors.

He says it in the post directly above that.

[Starbuck]

Welcome.


So who are your suspects, CMAR?

[Starbuck]

You want him to put a case out on a TOWNIE who's DEAD? And then say, you aren't going to hold anything against him? I feel a setup here.

[Starbuck]

It was not a setup because I honestly wasn't going to hold anything you said against you.

Sure....



I'm starting to sense a Stepho/Parama team.

[Starbuck]

So you are going to ignore any and all cases on you?

That's pro-town

[Starbuck]

Parama - Please quit with the insults. Go and read over the MS rules of posting again too.

[Starbuck]

Parama, wtf dude?

Making sense = win.

[Starbuck]

It's the weekend and I was checking in periodically, but at the time there were only like 2 or 3 posts under my last one, and I really had nothing to respond to.

Now, all of a sudden the thread exploded over night. Catching up later today.

[Starbuck]

Someone's been avoiding the Nik-Parama argument in hopes that I get lynched without their help! That someone is Starbuck! Who still need to post a case on me so I can rip it apart!

1. I have a case posted on you and I don't feel the need to reiterate.

2. Avoiding? No. It's a pointless "ZOMG, YOU DID THIS AND THIS AND THIS IN THAT GAME!", "BUT NO WAIT! YOU DID THIS AND THIS AND THAT IN THAT GAME" fucking argument. It's stupid and distracting and I'm waiting for you two to be done.

3. I think you just felt like OMGUSing me, which doesn't move you anywhere towards my town list.



And, why don't you try and spell "NAVY" correctly?





I'd also like to state that I really don't post much over the weekends. So to prod me anywhere between like Thurs night and Sunday is just redundant. I do try and keep up at least, but I don't really do substantial posting (where I have to re-read and all that good stuff) during that time.

[Starbuck]

I am going to be giving this game a good read through before the end of the week. Maybe I'll have a comment on the argument then, but right now, I really don't have one.

[Starbuck]

For the record, Parama, I have been enlisted in the UNITED STATES NAVY for 6 years. Inside joke or not, please try to spell it correctly, he's dead and no longer playing.

[Starbuck]

Nah I don't feel like chilling. It would work if he was alive, and he's not. He's dead, so the inside joke thing just doesn't work anymore.

[Starbuck]

That's the funny part, I'm not worked up.

But you keep on misrepresenting me as so. You're pretty good at that.

[Starbuck]

Lawlz.

My vote is on the person I find scummiest. So how exactly am I active lurking?

[Starbuck]

What problem?

You're the one who's kept this going.



You are also the one who is accusing me of active lurking when I'm not.


Do you mean to say those last however many pages of meta WEREN'T active lurking? Because they surely weren't about this game.

[Starbuck]

Little do you know me darling, I was making a point.

I was hoping to end that stupid meta discussion so that we could move on, and scumhunt.


Our other people's need to get their asses in here and give some opinions.

[Starbuck]

I'll claim now to save from later. I'm just a lowly VT.

[Starbuck]

Also, Nikanor, Happy Scum Day.

[Starbuck]

Because I didn't feel like waiting.

I'm rather upset with the amount of arrogance and not fun that this game has become for me due to certain people.

I'm not replacing out because I stick to my commitments.

[Starbuck]

Mod: Slaxx has a voted me on the prior page

[Starbuck]

EDBWOP *has voted me

[Starbuck]

I was very much looking forward to this game, and I claimed because I have nothing to hide.

If my calculations are correct, I probably hit scum with my suspicions and scum are behind this opportunistic lynch.

[Starbuck]

Town, please remember just how much Parama railed against me when I FLIP AS ONE OF YOUR OWN.

[Starbuck]

Be prepared because he will try and back peddle away tomorrow when the game opens after night actions.

[Starbuck]

It's not AtE. It's the truth.

But then again, you are trying to pin an opportunistic bandwagon on me, along with your scumbuddy Parama.

[Starbuck]

And do you remember the questions at the beginning of the game?

Why not go back and re-read mine?

[Starbuck]

You can't clear yourself.

[Starbuck]

As for why I would say "lowly VT", take a gander at my Wiki. Just look at how often I roll VT. It's fucking depressing. As I said, none of what I have said has been meant as AtE, but as none of you have played with me or haven't played with me a lot, you wouldn't understand how I am.

[Starbuck]

I know that's all I have done, but as I said, you & Parama have made this game almost unbearable to deal with. The only reason I haven't replaced out is because I have a staunch "don't replace out" policy.

[Starbuck]

I haven't tunneled Parama for the entire game. My vote is on the person I suspect most. I also have other suspects, which include yourself.

But you would never mention that...


No.

[Starbuck]

So nobody else sees how Parama is constantly tripping over himself?

[Starbuck]

Starbuck, Slaxx, I know I suspect you guys of being scum but if you want to jump on a kunk wagon with me I'll give you some town cred.
I don't want to lynch either Nikanor or CMAR.

Why are you trying to bribe our votes?