Mini 950: DCI Mafia (The Results Are In...)

[Nikanor]

His answers to the questions right up front made him very suspect in my mind. It seemed he was trying to dodge any questions on his strategy to me, possibly so he couldn't be held accountable for not following his supposed "strategy" later.

Well, this is not true. Honestly, I'm getting tired with answering the same "random" questions over and over. You try playing on this site for a year with over thirty completed games and see how thoroughly you answer those same questions.

He asks this, yet never refers back to it. He provides no case on ani and doesn't refer back to whether or not people weighed in on his question and what he thought of their opinions.

I don't need a case to put pressure on people. The reason for why I asked that was for future reference. The answers were useless until I knew ani's alignment.

Failure to do so will put you at the top of my scumlist.

This was to get people to answer. I'm not stupid enough to think that not answering a question is actually a scumtell.

He then clearly bandwagons kunkstar for "active lurking and dodging". Seriously? He dodged the questions from the very beginning. At this point kunkstar has 10 posts with at least SOME quality, while Nikanor has 5 posts with nothing in them.

I pointed out that Navy had dodged a question, not kunkstar. And I'd say that my posts were of higher quality than kunk's, but that's just my ego talking.

His reasoning is that Parama is "way too over-confident to be town". This is hilarious since he has made two over-confident statements himself in saying "Parama is scum" and "Animorph is scum, I demand to know what everyone else thinks" Over-confidence is a null tell as well.

Okay, by over-confidence I mean confidence of unusual amounts. I say that stuff as town all the time, while Parama has not been this confident in any of his town games that I've read. I can provide links if you'd like.

CMAR's points on Nikanor are actually pretty good, I wasn't really paying as much attention to him but he does seem a little hypocritical.

Oh, fencesitting.
A little hypocritical? Does that mean that you find me scummy?

CMAR: Your case is made less valid because of the general atmosphere of apathy yesterday.

Nacho is mega ultra town.

CryMeARiver, why would a scum act hypocritically at this point in the game?

Why

wouldn't

a scumbag act hypocritically? More importantly, why are you defending me?

But you used it as an argument against me. Stop backtracking.

Zomg opportunistic.

Vote: Parama.

Gogo scumlynch.

[Parama]

That wasn't even talking to you. Screw off Nik.

[Parama]

But you used it as an argument against me. Stop backtracking.

Zomg opportunistic.

Vote: Parama.

Gogo scumlynch.

Zomg opportunistic.

[Nikanor]

How is that opportunistic? I've been saying all game that you're scum.

[Parama]

Okay, fair enough, although there is an issue...
Why am I scum?

Also, why did you avoid this game when CMAR posted a case on you? You posted twice with 20 minutes between posts in another game. Should have had plenty of time inbetween to post something here.

[Nikanor]

You mean today? I posted in that game first because I didn't have a big wall to write in that game.
I only really did modding stuff yesterday, so you can't be talking about yesterday.

You're scum because you're a) not playing to your town meta; not only that, but not playing to your town meta in a scummy way, and b) fencesitting on whether or not I am scummy. Earlier today you said, "CMAR's points on Nikanor are actually pretty good, I wasn't really paying as much attention to him but he does seem a little hypocritical," which is classic fencesitting.

[Stephoscope]

CryMeARiver, why would a scum act hypocritically at this point in the game?

Why

wouldn't

a scumbag act hypocritically? More importantly, why are you defending me?

Why wouldn't a scum act hypocritically? I don't know...because they don't want to seem like scum maybe?

My statement had nothing to do with you. In fact, I find you scummy as well. Misrepresenting me is something a scum would definitely do.

[Stephoscope]

EBWOP: They're probably not both scum. I just find them both suspicious, and would bet that one is.

[Stephoscope]

Is this purely a gut feeling or is there something within the case that triggers this response?

It read like something I would try if I were scum trying to look helpful-townie.

[Nikanor]

My statement had nothing to do with you. In fact, I find you scummy as well. Misrepresenting me is something a scum would definitely do.

WHAT?!
Your statement was in direct response to CMAR's case on me. It had EVERYTHING to do with me and you most certainly WERE defending me!
Also, why is it that you don't think that scum would be hypocritical yet think that scum would misrepresent someone? How are those two different?

Unvote. Vote: Stethoscope.

Sccccuuuuuum.

[Starbuck]

It was not a setup because I honestly wasn't going to hold anything you said against you.

Sure....



I'm starting to sense a Stepho/Parama team.

[CryMeARiver]

You mean today? I posted in that game first because I didn't have a big wall to write in that game.
I only really did modding stuff yesterday, so you can't be talking about yesterday.

You're scum because you're a) not playing to your town meta; not only that, but not playing to your town meta in a scummy way, and b) fencesitting on whether or not I am scummy. Earlier today you said, "CMAR's points on Nikanor are actually pretty good, I wasn't really paying as much attention to him but he does seem a little hypocritical," which is classic fencesitting.

I'm almost positive that by this statement he meant "CMAR's points on Nikanor are good. I wasn't paying a lot of attention to Nikanor, but Nikanor does seem a little hypocritical." I think you misinterpreted it as "but CMAR does seem a little hypocritical."

I still don't understand how one can provide a case on someone, then be voted for reasons such as "he's trying to hard to look helpful" but then go on to say he finds the guy the case was made on scummy.

[Parama]

Okay, here's the essential flaw in all cases on me!
Nikanor accuses me of being overconfident.
Starbuck accuses me of being nervous.
Obviously, at least one of you is wrong, since these contradict each other. I cant' defend against both of these at once because of reject one would only make the other seem stronger. So the major flaw is that this is a trap that I can't argue my way out of.
I'm not even going to argue against either of these accusations until Nik/Starbuck work out which one is correct amongst themselves.

[Parama]

Also, Nikanor, you just used a meta argument didn't you.
I think you need to die several deaths. Meta is a lie.

Vote: Nikanor

For hypocrisy, for meta, for being scum.

[Starbuck]

So you are going to ignore any and all cases on you?

That's pro-town

[CryMeARiver]

Also, Nikanor, you just used a meta argument didn't you.
I think you need to die several deaths. Meta is a lie.

Vote: Nikanor

For hypocrisy, for meta, for being scum.

Not to mention that if he wants to use meta on someone else, he is yet again being a hypocrite:

2. I Lurk lurk lurk as scum.

If you are trying to use meta against someone else, you must qualify it to be used on yourself as well.

[Parama]

So you are going to ignore any and all cases on you?

That's pro-town

You idiot. I can't argue against both cases if arguing against one makes me more guilty according to the other. That's my point. Once you and Nik agree on which of your cases is better, then I'll gladly tear it to shreds, because I have arguments against either case but no argument against both.
CMAR continues to own Nikanor.

[CryMeARiver]

So you are going to ignore any and all cases on you?

That's pro-town

You idiot. I can't argue against both cases if arguing against one makes me more guilty according to the other. That's my point. Once you and Nik agree on which of your cases is better, then I'll gladly tear it to shreds, because I have arguments against either case but no argument against both.
CMAR continues to own Nikanor.

Thanks for my sig quote
Nikanor is very scummy. I don't see anything else. Also, this might be our last ML so I suggest we use it on a scummy target so we don't mess up if we are in lylo tomorrow.

[Nicodemus]

bah, sorry I've been neglecting this game so much. I'll try to get a decent post up sometime tonight, and I'll definitely post by tomorrow.

[Starbuck]

Parama - Please quit with the insults. Go and read over the MS rules of posting again too.

[Trumpet of Doom]

kunkstar7 will be V/LA Friday through Monday.

ToD Presents: The Best of DCI (Madison Scouts, 2005: The Carmen Project - Part 1, Part 2)

Vote Count L:

Nikanor (3, L-2) - CryMeARiver, Slaxx, Parama

Parama (1, L-4) - Starbuck
Nicodemus (1, L-4) - Nachomamma8
CryMeARiver (1, L-4) - Stephoscope
Stephoscope (1, L-4) - Nikanor

Not Voting (2): kunkstar7, Nicodemus

5 votes are required to lynch, 3 at deadline.
If deadline were to hit right now, Nikanor would be lynched.

Current Deadline:

Monday, May 5, 2010, ~9:00 PM CDT (GMT-6+1)

[Nikanor]

I'm almost positive that by this statement he meant "CMAR's points on Nikanor are good. I wasn't paying a lot of attention to Nikanor, but Nikanor does seem a little hypocritical." I think you misinterpreted it as "but CMAR does seem a little hypocritical."

No, I interpreted it correctly.

Also, Nikanor, you just used a meta argument didn't you.
I think you need to die several deaths. Meta is a lie.

Show me how meta is scummy in any way and I'll stop calling you scum. At this point, though, you're trying to paint a meta attack as scummy, which is blatantly false.
So it is not I that must die, but you, scum.

Not to mention that if he wants to use meta on someone else, he is yet again being a hypocrite:

I don't care about being hypocritical.

Nikanor is very scummy. I don't see anything else. Also, this might be our last ML so I suggest we use it on a scummy target so we don't mess up if we are in lylo tomorrow.

You haven't responded to my response to your case yet. I wonder why that is. Probably because it's HORRIFICALLY WRONG.

[Parama]

Meta attacks aren't scummy, they're just worthless.

[kunkstar7]

So you are going to ignore any and all cases on you?

That's pro-town

You idiot. I can't argue against both cases if arguing against one makes me more guilty according to the other. That's my point. Once you and Nik agree on which of your cases is better, then I'll gladly tear it to shreds, because I have arguments against either case but no argument against both.
CMAR continues to own Nikanor.

If you can argue against both, then argue against both seperately.

Meta attacks aren't scummy, they're just worthless.

I disagree in this situation, its shown a hipocrasy from Nikanor, one of which he has admitted to.

Also, this might be our last ML so I suggest we use it on a scummy target so we don't mess up if we are in lylo tomorrow.

This sounds like you aren't sure of Nikanor's scumminess. If you are willing to push him to lynch then why do still consider that he is a probable mislynch? Some more fencesitting here.

[Nikanor]

Meta attacks aren't scummy, they're just worthless.

So now you're attacking me for something that you've admitted isn't even scummy. L.O.L. I feel a lot better about my Parama vote now, but I think I'll stay on Stethy for the time being.