Mini 942: Gonzo Mafia - Game Over!

[hohum]

/confirm.

Don't take any guff from those fucking swine.

[hohum]

Vote: DDD

Because he's going to wind up tunneling on me/calling me a shitty player anyway.

Vote: xRECKONERx

for reasons to be stated by DDD.

[hohum]

go go gadget wagon.

[hohum]

And that's a scumtell how?

QFT.

He's obviously looking for someone to lash out at.

Out of all the people on your wagon, why chose kyle?

[hohum]

@hohum

: Do you think xRx is the only person "looking for someone to lash out at"?

No, but I reserve the right to pressure anyone I damned well please in order to get accurate reads.

Do you think Hohum is scum for saying that?

With profound, 100% confidence unheard of before on this site... Probably.
I would be voting hohum right now, but I think my interview with the prestigious winner of the Most Contrived Random Vote award is still worth keeping on schedule.

I've noted the fact that you would sooner play to maintain your status than to catch scum.

[hohum]

Fine. I'll rephrase.

You would sooner play to do... what ever the fuck it is you're doing right now than to catch scum.

[hohum]

@Zachrulez: So who's scum?~~

At this point, Hohum's Reckoner vote looks pretty weak, and contrary to what I would expect from his play.

It's early still. I'll either lose interest in him and move on or build my case.

[hohum]

I think he would have preferred it if my random vote had contained some off color references to race, sexual orientation, religious or political beliefs.

Either that or he's just trying to justify a stupid attempt to snipe.

[hohum]

Vi: are you under some sort of post restriction?

[hohum]

Percy: why do you have a problem with me asking about post restrictions? It's a fair question and if he is under a post restriction we have the right to know about it.

[hohum]

EBWOP: I see xReck still hasn't bothered to answer the one single question I posed to him.

[hohum]

Regarding post restrictions: I'm not convinced it's a post restriction. I think people who are jumping on Vi and

demanding

that she

explain herself

seem to be both (1) opportunistic and (2) paranoid.

Wrong. It's a piece of information which may or may not be useful to the town and it isn't up to you to decide that for us.

I don't remember demanding an answer from Vi. I remember asking a simple question and your reaction to that is far more telling than her non-answer. Strawman much?

I don't like hohum's play so far. Sound and fury, signifying nothing, excused with belligerent "I'll pressure who I want!". I find it scummy. If he has played like this before as town, I'd appreciate a link.

It's my vote. The vote belongs to me, not you. I'll use it in accordance with my ownership of it. If you have a problem with that, then too bad.

[hohum]

@hohum

:

I don't remember demanding an answer from Vi. I remember asking a simple question and your reaction to that is far more telling than her non-answer. Strawman much?

Well, that's certainly how I read this:

It's a fair question and if he is under a post restriction

we have the right to know about it.

You're purposefully taking things out of context now. What I said here was a response to you complaining about the question. The only reason that this conversation is taking place is because of you, not Vi.

Unvote, Vote Percy

Even if this isn't true, but especially if it is, I prefer to keep the focus on reads, reasons and opinions than trying to prise information out of the setup. An early focus on setup in theme games is at the best anti-town, imo.

Setup-related information can be useful to the town especially in the context of post restrictions. The fact that Vi is posting like she's posting alters my read on her, thus the question.

Rambling on about how we should be focused on reads instead of game mechanics is just fucking stupid, because any information is always helpful to the town (remember, informed minority vs uninformed majority).

[hohum]

Hohum's jump on to Percy is surprising. Hohum, are you happy with Vi's play now?

No, because she's making it difficult to read her, but I'm content to keep her alive for the time being so that we can lynch scum.

[hohum]

I don't like all these excuses for lurking.

"Need to take a break from mafia, will catch up"

"MODDING GAMEZ LULZLULZLULZ" <-- srsly, how many games are you modding at once that it takes 2 hours to get through? If you're really this busy perhaps you should rethink taking on additional games.

[hohum]

To expand on my last post:

This game has more people (12 vs 9) and tighter deadlines (14 days vs 3 weeks) than normal games, so lurking is definitely a more egregious offense.

[hohum]

@hohum:
I've said all I wanted to on the subject. Blaming me for this conversation continuing is also ridiculous. I've made my position clear

.

But it is your fault, so how is that ridiculous? It's one thing to clarify your position but it's a whole different thing to go on an offensive based on shit that you yourself are throwing on the fan.

This thread needs more percy lynching.

[hohum]

I can get behind an xRec lynch, if for nothing more than the sheer volume of shitposting.

I'd rather wait for Percy to respond to my last post before I change my vote though, mostly because I have a major problem with anyone that stands over a fire with a can of gasoline in one hand and a cell phone ready to dial 911 in the other.

[hohum]

I can get behind an xRec lynch, if for nothing more than the sheer volume of shitposting.

The sheer volume of early shitposting, the plea for attention at the beginning of the game, the excuses for lurking, the reactionary stance, ad nauseam

[hohum]

Ort:

Before I even begin to get into your last post please comment on this post.

Are you going to make an effort to be more active in this game now? You've dropped other games so that should give you a bit more time to focus on this one.

If you're not going to rectify your lurking problem and you're going to continue to randomly appear in thread to do nothing but snipe at people then I'm not going to take you seriously at all.

[hohum]

So you think calling out lurkers in a game with tight deadline is scummy? We should continue to allow people to lurk?

I don't care what you think of your scum catching abilities, because if you're lurking you aren't scum hunting, and you're dragging the rest of us down with you.

[hohum]

That said I do think you are legitimately scummy.

Then put your vote where your mouth is, or are you afraid that it isn't going to bode well for you when I flip?

[hohum]

It's less about a L-6 vote and more about you pushing a shit case, but meh, do as you please.

[hohum]

It's less about a L-6 vote and more about you pushing a shit case, but meh, do as you please.

I also just noticed that you completely ignored the first post I made and jumped right on the "logical fallacy" train.

*tsk*tsk*

[hohum]

Percy: you have yet to point out how I'm misrepresenting your position, so until you do your vote reads like OMGUS.

[hohum]

what's with the ultimatums from people who are nowhere close to being lynched?

hohum I would like to know the totality of reasons for your vote on Percy at this point in time.

I've outlined plenty of reasons for my vote already here,here,here,here,and right here just above your last post

Also percy likes to bitch about selective reading but he isn't calling you out for it for some reason, only me.

You're not even paying attention to the thread because if you were you would have noticed this instead of merely fixating on the post below it. You've done this to me twice now.

Is this enough of a tl;dr for you? Are you going to start reading the thread now?

[hohum]

K. Lynch me. This game does not interest me in the slightest.

Please, don't do this Reck. Lets just play, for fun. This is not the right way to do that

Don't bother begging him to stay.

Usually it's scum that go all emo and quit when pressured too much.

It wouldn't be fair to replace someone into his sinking ship now.

Unvote, Vote xRec

Don't think of this as a reprieve, percy. I'm not done with you yet, boy.

[hohum]

Try reading my posts, rather than just seeing the vote and crying OMGUS.

Don't worry about it. I'll sit here and hold your hand and explain to you why you're wrong tomorrow. As for today it isn't going to help us lynch xRec so just sit on your hands and enjoy the free pass.

[hohum]

EBWOP: scum.

[hohum]

then those people are wrong. They are voting for mistakes.

You say that like you know for a fact that we're wrong.

[hohum]

then those people are wrong. They are voting for mistakes.

You say that like you know for a fact that we're wrong.

Good towny.

But no. I very strongly believe that, yes. And people tend to listen better when you abandon reason, and just say in absolute terms what you think.

I wish you'd do a better job of holding up an argument so we can get an xRec lynch and be done with this whole universe revolves around flinter thing.

I don't listen very well at all when people abandon reason. It makes me want stick rusty objects in their eyes, so you need to explain why you think we're wrong instead of trying to appease me.

[hohum]

Percy:

I am calm. Nothing wrong with a little trolling to get people talking.

*takes a deep breath, counts to 10, deletes the expletive-laden post he originally wrote*

You're clearly the one that's unhinged here. Not me.

@Vi: my vote on xRec is final.

[hohum]

I never implied flinter was town, percy. You're putting words in my mouth.

[hohum]

Just the opposite is true, in fact.

I'd like to lynch jack but xReck is a better choice for today. Percy needs to go as well.

[hohum]

I've only got one vote. If I could vote all 3 of them I would.

[hohum]

ITT townies have ADHD.

We're headed in a general direction of fucking ourselves.

but since I no longer have xRec wagon support

unvote

and I'm going to use a day or so to catch up and post.

[hohum]

Vote Percy

[hohum]

Hohum: If you call me Ed, will you shoot yourself in the face for me?

Your avatar really doesn't help your cause any.

But I agree with you. Percy needs to be lynched so I'll fix my quote:

Hohum: If you call me Ed, will you shoot yourself in the face for me?

[hohum]

I still want a percy lynch.

[hohum]

okay

L-1 it seems.

I'm VT.

Also, Flinter said some things yesterday which really cause me to distrust Jack. You should look into lynching him after I'm gone.

Percy is still an excellent lynch candidate.

Third (if there is a third) would be a toss up between Mike and xReck.

So long!

[hohum]

^ This.

Hey Rec, you agree that hohum is the better lynch today so could you please unvote so that he can't hammer Jahudo?

^^ this

Unvote, Vote Jahudo

[hohum]

My town reads are Jack, Zach, Percy, Vi, DDD, ekiM. If I called any of them suspicious before, I'm pretty sure I already explained how those suspicions went away.

and mostly for this post, because there's 3 people on that list that I have scum reads on.

[hohum]

Also, </LURK>

[hohum]

[hohum]

Vote Vi

Because I've reread the topic and the flavor seems to fit with him being scum. Here's why:

I'm not convinced that his "non post restriction" style of posting is not a post restriction. Ralph Steadman is a cartoonist who worked closely with Hunter S. Thompson. Gonzo basically made Steadman famous. It's not a stretch to think that the "Gonzo" in this theme means bad guys and not good guys considering Hunter's relationship with Steadman.

If you want something a bit more concrete to back the vote up: something really didn't sit well with me early on with one of his early posts which stated something along the lines of me "going in the same direction" as him.

Looking back at yesterday he seems to be trying to pick multiple people off of the Jahudo wagon. "I'd rather have a hohum lynch today" and the constant need to try and refocus people's attention.

[hohum]

I like how DDD only quoted half my post. Good job, duck!

[hohum]

also anyone else notice sotty say "not giving hohum a pass" and then vote ekiM?

[hohum]

I like how DDD only quoted half my post. Good job, duck!

I already said I don't trust Vi, but that doesn't mean that the first half of your argument wasn't the single dumbest thing that anyone has posted in this game.

You're going to eat these words if I'm proven correct. Go look at his posts. The vast majority of them are those ridiculous "RUN THESE HEADLINE RARRR" themed posts.

He doesn't post like that in any other game. Ever.

Players typically don't match their posts to the theme for such a sustained period of time like that. It's cute at first but gets old fast.

At minimum Vi lied about being under a post restriction. With 2 scum down "lynch all liars" isn't terribly harmful at this point and may net a third scum.

[hohum]

he very much so lied about being under post restriction. I asked him about it towards the beginning of D1 and he denied that he was -- clearly not true.

Townies typically don't lurk for an entire day phase and hammer at the end.

That doesn't mean I'm wrong, but if you feel that way lynch me for I have sinned. Also, you try posting coherently after breaking a toe with no access to pain meds or decent medical care of any kind.

[hohum]

But there are plenty of posts were Vi isn't using any kind of "scoop" type deal. What about those?

What about them? Post restrictions can (and sometimes are) written in such a way as to try not to be obvious.

If vi goes for the rest of the day without making a single one of those posts then maybe I'll be convinced that I'm barking up the wrong tree here.

[hohum]

And sometimes Jack is an unintelligent ponce.

You're not helping your cause any with comments like this.

[hohum]

[quote=ekiM] hohum, why is it that you chose to spend three weeks saying nothing rather than replacing out? [/quote]

Because I happen to be interested in the game. If you have a problem with it feel free to /out games I'm /in going forward.

[hohum]

EBWOP: I know what you're going to say next too, that my lurking is "harmful" to the town; however we're up 2 scum lynches to one lost townie in a game which started with 12 players. That puts us in a pretty damned good position.

If I thought we were in any real danger because of my actions then I would have replaced out at the start of day 2.

[hohum]

I'm not convinced xReck is scum anymore. The final scum has to be either vi or ekiM.

The reasoning he uses to conclude "I'm not scum, scum would do this or scum would do that" is pure WIFOM.

It's likely that we're in a 9-3 game. If so we have 3 lynches before LYLO. hohum and xRx have to be two of them and they've claimed vanilla. Let's lynch them. If they somehow flip town hopefully a power role will have found the last scum by then, otherwise we have tricky decisions. It'd be better if we don't lynch me because then we'll have one more lynch to play with, but I'm not sure whether you guys can be convinced of that.

If we're lynching claimed VTs to out scum then why not lynch you as well?

Unvote, Vote ekiM

[hohum]

*whistle*

[hohum]

Vote Vi

[hohum]

Scum Sotty could have easily justified hammering Hohum over Jahudo on day 2. As a result, Sottyscum makes no sense to me at this point.

The thing about this is she didn't hammer jahudo. I did.

That renders your argument moot.

[hohum]

Scum Sotty could have easily justified hammering Hohum over Jahudo on day 2. As a result, Sottyscum makes no sense to me at this point.

The thing about this is she didn't hammer jahudo. I did.

That renders your argument moot.

I suppose the option was open for you to hammer the other wagon instead?

I've self-hammered to prove points before, but anyways how does what you just said make me wrong?

[hohum]

Scum Sotty could have easily justified hammering Hohum over Jahudo on day 2. As a result, Sottyscum makes no sense to me at this point.

The thing about this is she didn't hammer jahudo. I did.

That renders your argument moot.

Given the likelihood of you voting yourself over Jahudo, her vote on him was effectively the hammer.

That's a stupid argument.

[hohum]

For what purpose are you engaging in this argument?

Because I'm right.

Also, you're scum.

[hohum]

I'm not tearing her down. I'm simply pointing out how stupid of an argument it is.

[hohum]

It's clear that I've done irreparable damage and that nobody is going to listen to what I have to say no matter how well reasoned of an argument I make, so I won't even try. If you're not going to lynch Vi today you're more than welcome to lynch me.

My vote is either a self-vote or a vi-vote. Nothing else will happen.

[hohum]

It's funny how you pop on to try to defeat an argument that all but clears a player, while appearing to be interested in nothing but the fact that Vi is scum, while suddenly becoming interested in other lynches as they become viable.

A stupid argument to clear a player really doesn't clear a player, but v0v.

[hohum]

It's funny how you pop on to try to defeat an argument that all but clears a player, while appearing to be interested in nothing but the fact that Vi is scum, while suddenly becoming interested in other lynches as they become viable.

A stupid argument to clear a player really doesn't clear a player, but v0v.

Sotty could have either voted for Jahudo in that situation or hammered you. If she was scum, why wouldn't she hammer you in that position?

You basically just asked me to read her mind. I don't know why she didn't hammer me and I really don't care.

I'd like you to point out where I've said she's scum anywhere in the thread.

If you're really so hot to clear her think of something else, because your argument is shit.

[hohum]

It's not a matter of whether or not you've actually said she's scum. It's the fact that in the absence of any real suspicion of Sotty, you have chosen to PROTEST the notion that she's all but cleared based on her actions not making any sense as scum. (While saying the argument is shit, you haven't come up with any compelling reason why.)

If you are a townie and SO SURE that Vi is scum, why the hell would you care about my statement that Sotty is town or my reasoning for it? I mean Vi is scum right? So why does it matter?

Because I'm right.

He needs someone to lynch after you of course...

I'd rather see you lynched before sotty. You're just looking for someone to argue with, after all you're the one who pointed out how useless this argument really is.

I'm not tearing her down. I'm simply pointing out how stupid of an argument it is.

It's clear that I've done irreparable damage and that nobody is going to listen to what I have to say no matter how well reasoned of an argument I make, so I won't even try. If you're not going to lynch Vi today you're more than welcome to lynch me.

My vote is either a self-vote or a vi-vote. Nothing else will happen

I don't have much else to add to that, so if you're going to keep badgering me about a non-issue I'm just going to stop responding.

[hohum]

I'd rather see you lynched before sotty. You're just looking for someone to argue with, after all you're the one who pointed out how useless this argument really is.

Yeah, would be nice if people started throwing votes on me so you could hammer me all nice and fast like wouldn't it?

Damn straight.

[hohum]

Any particular reason you desire my lynch?

He needs someone to lynch after you of course...

[hohum]

I can't wait until one of us flips now.

Let's have a race to the bottom!

Unvote, Vote Hohum

[hohum]

Yeah, that reaction is so much better than actually scumhunting...

You just dinged me for mirroring your reaction.

[hohum]

I had a feeling that was you. Why did you claim? I doubt you would have been lynched today despite hohum's desire.

PREVIEW EDIT: Why did Zach's claim make you self vote hohum? That doesn't make any sense.

Basically I gave it some thought, and decided that depending on whether there's another power role out there and what it is, that it might actually be a good idea to force the scum to have to deal with me over night assuming that a Hohum lynch doesn't do the trick.

Now all of a sudden you're not so sure I'm scum? This living proof of Zach's naked blatant hypocrisy as well as the fact that I'm not the only one who hedges his bets.

[hohum]

So what? Do you think I'm scum even after that? Cause if you don't, then you might do well to actually do some scumhunting and actually make a decent case on who you think is scum, cause your case on Vi is utter crap.

So what? Do you think I'm scum even after that? Cause if you don't then you might do well to actually do some scum hunting and actually make a decent case on who you think is scum, cause your insistence on filling the thread with petty, pointless, irrelevant, hypocritical and argumentative shitposts has long since drowned out any legitimate points that ANYONE has tried to make since the start of the day.

[hohum]

Yeah, it's not like I haven't already stated that I think you're scum and already laid out the reasons why...

Yeah, it's not like I'm not currently laying out reasons to think you're scum.

[hohum]

OH SNAP! and the game of e-peen-oneupmanship continues!

Vi has barely had a chance to post. I'll decide which one of the two of you is more likely scum later.

I'm not going to run away just because you're trying to bully me into submission.

[hohum]

Yeah, when you're trying to convince the town that I'm scum, make sure you point out exactly WHY as scum, I would end the night phase immediately after it began to prevent the scum from being able to kill.

Here's the shovel, keep digging.

Yeah, when you're trying to convince the town that I'm scum, make sure to wildly backtrack and make excuses when I flip. Some examples would be "HE WAS RIDICULOUSLY SCUMMY, I SWEAR"

Also, your notion assumes anyone puts any stock into unprovable mechanics claims.

[hohum]

Also in the interest of full disclosure, I have the power to end a day phase anytime I desire. A power I have not used and have no intention of using under any circumstances.

In the interests of full disclosure, I too, have the power to end a day phase anytime I desire. Unlike Zach's powers, mine had a 2-shot ability

Or maybe he's just as full of shit as I am.

Also, I have the power of Greyskull!

ITT Zachrulez takes WIFOM to new heights.

[hohum]

ITT Hohum is scum. Please consider this appropriately when you decide on today's lynch. Thank you.

NO U!

Seriously, at least I attempted to make a point with my last post. You on the other hand just need to get the last word in.

[hohum]

Your last post had nothing to do with anything other than the fact that you twice hammered opportunistically.

What's the matter?

Or maybe he's just as full of shit as I am.

Was this too subtle for you?

Let's try it this way: You're either unwilling (based on the claim of having a day shot as well) or unable to prove your claim. Your claim is garbage.

[hohum]

My this is a suicidal group. That's 3 so far that have expressed desire for self-lynch.

[hohum]

So ending night one immediately after it began isn't proof enough? How can you argue that I didn't do that if someone doesn't counterclaim me?

I missed this.

How can you argue that someone who refuses to counterclaim a made up power means that you're automatically cleared?

There are a multitude of reasons N1 could have ended early. Some more preposterous than yours, some less.

[hohum]

Damn. Too bad I can't self-hammer.

Anyone want the honor?

[hohum]

wait, did you just say you'd hammer someone who you think is town?

[hohum]

There's a difference between think and know, people. Jesus.

what might that difference be in your opinion? For academic purposes I see it as the difference between thinking you're doing something bad and knowing you're doing something bad.

[hohum]

Side track for a second:

I have an idea. I think we can clear Zach without doing much harm to the town.

Let's keep talking and decide on a lynch target without voting. Then let's run our lynch target up to a point where he's at the top of the mod's lynch list and allow Zach to end the day. We get our lynch and a confirmed townie.

[hohum]

Oh, and lemme add again: fuck you DDD.

You need to stop whining.

[hohum]

hohum, why doesn't the lack of a counter claim clear Zach in your eyes? Everyone has checked in and a 10min night after a scum lynch doesn't feel like a scum power use.

As I said there are plenty of other explanations for a 10 minute night and people have claimed made up roles in the past. Unless he wants to oblige us with some proof we're not going to know what really happened until he either flips or the game ends.

Also are you going to scum hunt or are you just leaving your vote on yourself all day?

I'm doing what I can to insert myself back into the discussion. I've at least voted someone today, you only just now voted. Are you going to scum hunt today or are you going to go for low hanging fruit?

[hohum]

So, after digesting the last page and a half or so I'm happy with my original instincts

Unvote, Vote Vi

I've read back a little bit in the topic and I've noticed a vi pattern. Every time someone goes after Vi we get a robotic "you're a BAD townie" and get swatted on the nose with a newspaper ever failing to address the root cause of the complaint. This has been ongoing since Day 1.

"U SUCK" is not a valid defense. No matter how bad someone is playing there's always room for redemption.

(S)he has done it to me
Now (S)he is doing it to Amished.

[hohum]

Vi, did you really just go through all that mental gymnastics just to come up with the Hohum/Reck/X possibility after clearing myself, Sotty, and Zach that I've been touting for a while now. Seems like a lot of work just to get back to my post 1000 with your obvious change of switching Amished and you. I don't think it's suspicious just kind of amusing that you wrote so much just to go back two pages.

I haven't been "in this game" since mid-late D1. Throw in a weekend of V/LA and there you are.

@Zach: Going out to lunch but offhand I can't agree with your DDD suspicion. Scum

do

seem to have priorities other than killing DDD, but that doesn't necessarily mean that DDD is scum. For instance, I've noted that the kills seem to aid hohum and xRx most, defensively.

Neither I nor xRx are scum and the kills were designed to setup mislynches.

Period.

Are you dropping Amished completely now?

No, I just think Vi is more likely scum.

[hohum]

Remember when you guys jumped all over me when I attempted to explain why Sotty wasn't clearable? Maybe (just maybe) the town as a whole could have been a little more forgiving of my absenteeism early on we might have outed her!

Anyways, good game. She had us all fooled.