ZOMBIES! - Zombies take over for the win!!!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: ABR

Because it's been too long since we played

And so it starts.

Vote: evilsnail

I have a bias against you, the reason why escapes me

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't want to be your nemesis. Can I just be a hater?

[Albert B. Rampage]

vote:cooldog

I agree with Yosarian2.

(nods) Yeah, I think Yosarian2 makes a really good point here.

You are really weird dude.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There is a very unstable situation on the ground that is unfolding very quickly.

Unvote

[Albert B. Rampage]

How can ZaZieR have so much posts when he lurks so god damn much?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Who I like so far: Oddin, Yosarian

Who I don't like: Kmd, lurkers

[Albert B. Rampage]

Way to go being a nice obedient puppy and doing whatever you're told. "You didn't want to get into trouble"? Seriously?

Lol yes, I am already in hot water, having 5 pages to read and not posting in one of them lol, I don't want not RVing to bite me in the ass later.

First time I ever heard of not RV'ing later biting you in the ass. Griddle, how experienced at mafia would you say you are?

Ya know, let's get a little pressure going here, get some more people to post.

vote tate

Tate you had 3 votes (now 4) on you and haven't posted much. Thoughts so far?

Scummy. If you're going to vote for someone, you shoud never admit to it being just for "pressure". This is the reason I like ODDin, iLord, Diamondilium, etc.; you don't know whether they are just getting warmed up or they are genuinely ready for a lynch. That's what real pressure looks like. Announcing to the world that you are voting "for pressure" hardly even counts as a BW vote because you will unvote just as fast and with just as little reason as you came on with. If you're going to accuse someone of being scum, you better put your balls on the motherfucking table.

Finding town is never scummy, telling us who you found town IS scummy. You aren't explaining your vote on him, just saying he is scummy.

Unvote, Vote: kmd4390

I agree. There is absolutely no reason to give your town reads on Day 1 unless you are trying to make people feel safe...and why would you want that?

@ABR
We've discussed that before.

Remind me.

Suave needs to post and his only posts in this game are godawful.

Hahaha?

The first one is a decent length complete sentence with normal punctuation. Then, when I call him out on his post, he magically decides that he was "changing his posting style." He starts chopping up his sentences and abandoning his original wordiness. The style between these two posts is markedly different - the difference even extends as far as to quotes - he uses quotes in the first post, but in the second opts to use the "@" format.

This changing playstyle thing is BS to cover up for ODDin wagon.

Unvote, Vote Diamonddillium

I don't think his vote n ODDin is scummy in itself.

Finding town is never scummy, telling us who you found town IS scummy. You aren't explaining your vote on him, just saying he is scummy.

Unvote, Vote: kmd4390

WHAT ARE YOU ON???? There's something called towntells, ya know.

vote:McGriddle

This defense of kmd reeks of scum.

Vote animorph

[Albert B. Rampage]

MrSuave in iso:

0: "zomg forgot about this game i'll reread brb"

1: "blah blah blah fluff contentless post blah blah blah"

2: "i promise i'll post content"

3: questions/disagrees with manho on his FoS on McGriddle

4: reiterates iso 3 all over again



THAT'S IT.
He's floating by. Under the radar. Like scum do.

For someone so intent on complaining about other players lurking, you don't seem to come up with much of a case except pointing at random lurkers, reckoner...and as if that wasn't enough, I don't understand any of the posts you make.

This McGriddle wagon is godawful. Please, join me on the Suave wagon ladies and gents.

And are you even going to explain this?

Actually now that I think about it, why do you believe MrSuave is the best wagon? As far as I can find the only thing(s) you have against him are his posts and inactivity. As it stands you have already apologized for being inactive yourself.

This ^^^

Btw, it's not circumstantial ad hom, it's abusive ad hom imho.

Get with the program Starbuck, you're on THE INTERNET. Where every troll is posting vulgarity from the safety of their mother's basements. This isn't the first time I see you tripping because of a little verbosity; if you're not happy ask for replacement, don't waste our time.

ODDin, I very rarely FoS. If I have a second suspect, I'll state that I'm willing to vote them. You can probably only find about 5 times I have EVER FoS'd anyone and some of those were in the RVS.

FoS ODDin

Where did this come from?

Unvote

[Albert B. Rampage]

2) The way I understand it, if the zombies target a vanilla, he becomes a zombie, but if the zombies target a PR, the PR simply dies. So, it's not clear whether we want the zombies to target VTs or PRs - on one hand, we lose a PR, on the other, we don't gain another zombie. I guess it depends on the strength of the PR. I'm not really sure what this means, strategically. Should this change the circumstances under which PRs claim and such?

Ya. DON'T LYNCH POWER ROLES.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also, why did you unvote? You haven't said anything about ani in your post.

He said he wasn't defending kmd.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ok, to answer all of your questions about me:
I

usually

never place random votes and all of the people I

usually

play with find scummy to random vote without information. I do, too. I really haven't understood why you place them like that yet.

What do you think about Reckoner and McGriddle?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Who to vote, who to vote...

Vote Wolframnhart

[Albert B. Rampage]

Prod: WRP please

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ouff... Why do you request my prod? I'm here!

I asked you a question a long time ago and still no answer...

[Albert B. Rampage]

ITT we talk in caps like we're 5 years old.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote RECKONER

Meta reasons.

[Albert B. Rampage]

OK I have a bit to post during my V/LA so i thought I would try to catch up while I could. I do not really see Reck asking for a mod kill, his reaction was much like mine, however since farside already explained the situation and then he still went on about it, along with his major over reaction and big caps lock frenzy it makes me wonder about Reck. This game has so many "will post later's" I really don't know how many could/are lurking town or lurkign scum, so I will give tate a chance to actually post something before deciding on him. for now

IGMEOY Reck

Ongoing game where I caught RECK as scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If he has a nervous breakdown, more likely to be scum imo. Don't take my word for it though. I'm also not like WRP at the moment, all he does is lurk.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hmm, I followed iLord's example and browsed the game reck linked to. Seems like it supports that that's the way he behaves when being accused, what with the caps and f-words. So, this makes his play look even less like scum-under-pressure to me.

Can you link to the specific posts in question that brought you to this conclusion?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Regardless of his effervescent posturing, I don't like his OMGUS / calling for a cooldog policy lynch, compulsive focus on lurking, etc. It seems like he's doing everything in his power to NOT scumhunt.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't like the wagon on Griddle too much. Of the 3 leading wagons (tate, reck, griddle), my first choice is Reck. I would be even more happy with a WRP lynch, but this becomes a non-issue if he is replaced. I don't like wolf and I don't like kmd; I find their attacks suspicious.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Someone explain why Reck is a good lynch. I see WIFOM.

Blatant avoidance of scumhunting by the following means: policy lynching, OMGUS, obsession with lurkerdom, arguing about modkills, posting vulgarity, calling everyone an idiot.

I also take his frustration as a point against him, although ODDin disagrees.

I think Reck is a more than decent lynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I wouldn't call OMGUS, the modkill bit as part (Seriously, his post had "That's a blatantly modkillable offense." If I said that, does that makes

me scummy

?).

Posting vulgraity/calling everyone an idiot/frustartion all seem to look like his playstyle, because I don't see anyone else act like that as scum when they ragequit.

So that leaves policy lynching and obsession with lurkers, and I can see both from town.

So please enumerate the pro-town points you see then

[Albert B. Rampage]

Townhunting?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Finding town, instead of scum.

And this is pro-town how?

[Albert B. Rampage]

good posting ^^^

[Albert B. Rampage]

Calm down there, child, it's just a game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mod: prod WRP

Done, but just and fyi I saw he posted Wednesday (yesterday) so this is a prod that will not count against him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mod: Blacklist WRP please

No comment

[Albert B. Rampage]

So that's it? You give up?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yosarian, you need to take a look at some of your other games that might not be in your watchlist......specifically in the Theme Park.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I looked into cooldog's post. CoolDog this is a warning please calm down and stop with the attacks and constant use of the F word. There in no need to be condescending. This game is for fun see rule 1.

You must mean RECKONER.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Seeing that this is a cult game, I'm wondering whether it's more important to hit actual scum as early as possible, rather than removing dead weights. (Not saying I'm certain, but I am wondering.)

What? What do you mean??

[Albert B. Rampage]

kmd: repeating "X is scum, vote for him," over and over and over (and over) again, and more or less implying that everybody doing otherwise is WRONG.
Especially on D1.

In this game, I went after DeathNote Day 1 in a similar way. Day 2, I did the same to Zakeri, even though there was a brief period where I pushed the Mipe lynch. Day 3, I did it to Hulk, who was scum. Day 4, Dramonicscum, who I had a guilty result on.

Heres one where I'm pushing Haylen all of Day 1.

Both got lynched Day 1...both were town. May I suggest some scumhunting, kind sir? Maybe this would rally more men to our noble cause.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote kmd

1) Relying on meta where he mislynched town is extremely scummy. Why would he keep making bad plays that lead to mislynched townies unless he was scum?

2) Setting himself up to be wrong with "we're all wrong sometimes" when almost 99% of his posts say that Reck is scum.

3) This was a Day start. Kmd, if you're a daycop, you cannot be more obvious than this without claiming. I think Kmd is instead trying to pass as a daycop of some kind. Or are you bussing your scumpartner Reckoner? The fact that this is a cult game does not slip me by. Even if you bus and lynch your partners, you can still just bite an innocent every night, bus them during the day, and win the game.

2 days til deadline? I think we can make a kmd lynch in time. I don't buy bv30's reads either.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am otherwise satisfied with a reckoner lynch and a tate lynch if it comes down to it. Will post again before deadline hits.

[Albert B. Rampage]

edit: I now see that Animorph has switched to Tate as well. Interesting. Not sure what to make of that yet. I actually see it as a possible towntell I think.

???? You EDITED your post?

Players edit their posts during the preview page ani.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't like this post at all. The scum hunting does appear to be genuine especially on point #3. If you think he's day cop then why call him out on it? You'd only be exposing a power role. The scenarios you presented also are questionable: one effectively assumes he's town, while the other assumes he's scum. Instead of debating which one's true as I would have expected from a scum hunting townie, you try to construe the former as scummy.

I want it to be in the open. No surprises. No lack of surprises.

I want to see him say WHY he thinks people are scum. He's just tunnelling all day on 3-4 players for absolutely zero reason that I can see. It's unsettling. It's been unsettling all day.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR,

1) So what if I was wrong in those games? Day 1 is a mislynch more often than not. Doesn't mean I'm not going to continue to try lynching who I think is scummy.

2) This doesn't even make sense as a scumpoint unless you work under the assumption that anyone on a mislynch is scum.

3) Not a daycop. Can't say much about the bussing accusation, but which is it? Am I setting myself up for "*Shrug*, I was wrong" or am I bussing? You can't have both.

You are saying "I am right" with your certainty and "I am wrong" at the same time. Contradiction.

I think that if something doesnt work at all as a scumhunting tactic, you should drop it. Instead, you're just doing the same thing but now you have meta to back you up "see I was town in those games".

[Albert B. Rampage]

I gave my Reck case earlier and gave the rest on ODDin's request.

Plz repost I cannot find it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I want it to be in the open. No surprises. No lack of surprises.

I want to see him say WHY he thinks people are scum. He's just tunnelling all day on 3-4 players for absolutely zero reason that I can see. It's unsettling. It's been unsettling all day.

So it was your goal to have KMD claim or reveal his role?

I don't want to be crossed by a convenient coincidence.

Sigh. I thought I was onto something.

Unvote, vote Reck

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeaaaah that's kind of a bait claim Griddle ^^^

Also, abr: Diamond has already said it, but you suggesting that kmd was a daycop was pretty damn bad.

I'm 99% sure he wasn't, but if he were scum he might have jumped on the opportunity and said that he was. Ergo, it was a trap admiral ackbar!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Suspense music

[Albert B. Rampage]

Despite the convenient claim, I still don't want to lynch Griddle.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote McG

lol fakeclaim

[Albert B. Rampage]

It was an honest mistake. Get over it. There is a VERY big difference between a lie and a mistake. Lynch. I obviously don't give a crap

Between what you did in this game and what you did in last game...yeah.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

, for blatant role fishing yesterday, that *ahem* specifically speculated on KMD's role as cop, who oddly enough JUST DIED LAST NIGHT.

If I may correct you, I asked if he was a Daycop. He wasn't.

I would call it Day-cop fishing. The amount of times that I fakeclaimed daycop as both town and scum is absolutely revolting to me. I will not have that play turned against me and meshed with a whole lot of WIFOM of what if he's telling the truth.

Here's a fact: most daycops are one-shot. If Kmd was a cop, and investigated Reck as the force of his attack would suggest, then I concede that we would have lost a confirmed townie that night, but by the same token, we would also have lynched confirmed scum that day, which is an excellent trade-off for us.

The fact that he was a cop has no bearing on my question of if he was a daycop.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Diamondilium says I speculated on KMD's role as a cop with my role-fishing. This is untrue. I did not speculate, at least in my own mind. I was securing the impossibility of Kmd later claiming in the endgame some wild role that would go against all our better judgments but we were still inclined to believe given his complete lack of scumhunting on Day 1. I was suspicious of Kmd and not giving him any outs, but if you can't see that then you can lynch me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Actually he was a Deputy, he didn't even know he was a cop. I doubt that my prowess extends to guessing someone's role if they themselves are not informed of it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was satisfied once he clearly said he wasn't a daycop and thus couldn't justify his lack of scumhunting all game despite his bizarrely strong convictions.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes, I am voting you for correctly pegging McGriddle as lying town, because lying townies are rare, when lying scum is common. It's a weird conclusion to draw.

How is the fact that townies lying being uncommon make it scummy for me to recognize it when it occurred?

I can think of at least one reason: you have a gut feeling that he's lying, but you

know

he isn't scum. I'm just putting that out there but like ODDin I don't think it's a scumtell.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I would definitely feel that ABR is more likely to do it as scum. He's trying to shift focus off himself.

My whole point in this is that what he said may or may not be fact. We don't know. Therefore, it is WIFOM and ABR stating it like it is fact is scummy.

Absolutely not. If you disagree with my statement then you must prove it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why is evilsnail getting into so much trouble because he doesn't want to lynch me? That's not normal and I can't help but think that someone is pulling the strings here.

Vote: Diamondilium

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Reckoner

Scummier than Diamondilium, yet not smart enough to know which string to pull to close the red curtains. But scummier nonetheless.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Reckoner

Scummier than Diamondilium, yet not smart enough to know which string to pull to close the red curtains. But scummier nonetheless.

You lost me.

D explained why he's voting me. I don't reach the same conclusion as him by facts alone, and I find him scummy. Reckoner is just bandwagonning someone that suspected him on Day 1. I think that's scummier. And I don't think Reckoner is smart enough to do anything different than what he's been instructed to do.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It does not seem like you are really scum hunting becuase you're picking ALL easy targets.

Reckoner has been doing much of the same thing, why not vote for him instead?

Reck has attacked Tate, and McGriddle (as well with wolf), then wagons me as soon as someone suspects me. It seems like as soon as a few people say that someone is a good lynch, our nasty little friend Reckoner agrees right away.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Pie_is_good (2) Wolframnhart
Albert R (1) xRECKONERx
bv310 (1) ODDin
iLord (2) evilsnail, manho
evilsnail (1) iLord, Starbuck
Reckoner (2) Albert B. Rampage, CooLDoG
Wolf (1) elvis_knits

not voting:

animorpherv1
MrSuave
Nobody Special
Pie_is_good
Yosarian2
CryMeARiver
bv310
Diamondilium

With 18 players it takes 10 to lynch
Deadline is Sunday March 21st, 10:00am PST

Cooldog is voting for reckoner.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's called pressure, and you obviously can't take it. ie. freaking out, and personal attacks

This is not pressure:

Is this anything other then an omgus?
And lets see where my vote is? NOT ON YOU. Wooops looks like theirs some tyupe of hole in your plan. anyway I don't feel like your vote can be anything other then an omgus. And why did you want a mod kill soooo bad? "because it was modkillable , plz kill him " next we say "KILL THE MOTHERFUCKER> HE SHOULD BE MODKILLED!! !!!! IT WAS DESERVED!!!! " Why did you want a mod kill so bad? And is their anything that I must answer to other then an omgus. And look up how many other people said that you seemed over zelous for a mod kill. Again I'm not voteing you. I want my vote on the scummy/lurking tate for the moment.

It's a completely BLATANT misrep of what actually happened and what I said. Either CooLDoG is town and you're scum trying to actually give this awful awful post some validity (lol pressure), or you're both scum. How the fuck did I miss that before? In either scenario, you're scum.

Unvote; Vote: McGriddle

Just settle down and post content, and scum hunt (sorry that this sounds bad comeing from me).

-_-
Yes. Yes, it does.

Unvote; Vote: CooLDoG

Vote: ABR

Hellll yeahhhhh boooyyyyyy.

Posts like this = reckoner is scum. I already made at least two posts explaining in more detail if anyone (starbuck) cared to check.

Lynch plz.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also I would point to you the similarities between the rubbish he's posting this game and the ongoing game where I lynched him already, but then reckoner would try to get me modkilled so I won't do that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

why

would I continue to use the same playstyle?

Because you're not very smart, obviously.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why is evilsnail getting into so much trouble because he doesn't want to lynch me? That's not normal and I can't help but think that someone is pulling the strings here.

Vote: Diamondilium

What? Starbuck was the one accusing evilsnail for defending you.

Yeah that was my bad I changed my vote.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh no...am I going to get modkilled?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Your point?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Stop trying to link my vote with the post I vote in. My suspects are a culmination of things. I wouldn't vote for someone because "omg they are voting for someone who is defending me".

[Albert B. Rampage]

I did not present an argument. Post 510, 893 and 954 are reasons why I think Reck is scum.

I never said "scum are accusing evilsnail", ever. I just said what was going through my mind at the time. Like a ominous feeling. Which by the way, isn't an argument.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I understand you have reasons for voting for reck, that's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is post 886:

Why is evilsnail getting into so much trouble because he doesn't want to lynch me? That's not normal and I can't help but think that someone is pulling the strings here.

Saying this certainly implies "scum are behind the accusations of evilsnail". Can't see any other way to read it.
And if you bothered to say it, it means you found it important enough. And yet, even though nobody has addressed this point, you're not pressing anyone and not trying to question anyone. It seems you just blurted the thought and then forgot all about it.

No, I just realized it was ridiculous and ridden with the natural paranoia that comes with an off the cuff reaction.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I had the same extemporaneous reaction at the beginning of the day when tate was being voted in like 5 posts in a row, but like Yosarian said, votes will come indiscriminately from all sides when someone plays like that. So in that case, I chose not to say anything.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So, this

I never said "scum are accusing evilsnail", ever.

turned into "I did say it but then realised it was ridiculous"?

You misunderstand.

I never said scum are accusing evilsnail, this is fact. I said I had a SCARY FEELING scum are pulling some strings to frame evilsnail. Then I said that my feeling was unfounded on this page.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Post 886 didn't imply that your observations were more "gut" and "only a feeling" than any other thing you've said.

ORLY

Why is evilsnail getting into so much trouble because he doesn't want to lynch me? That's not normal and I can't help but think that someone is pulling the strings here.

Vote: Diamondilium

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also, when exactly did you realise your feeling was unfounded?

When there weren't any more people voting me, that's when.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What, if you don't say "X is scum lynch him now plz" I'm supposed to infer that what you're saying is baseless gut feelings?

If I don't vote the player, if I don't mention the player anywhere else, if I don't even vote for that person in the post where I'm making a vague allusion to that player, then yes! It is safe to assume it is a feeling and not an argument!

So, you needed people to unvote you for you to start thinking straight?

Now you're just inventing things. Where did I say that I needed people to unvote me? Nowhere! After a few posts when no one bandwagoned me I assumed that I was wrong about someone trying to set me up as a tate v2.0.

Also, reck is still voting for you. If he unvotes you, will you reach the conclusion that your argument on him is a baseless gut feeling as well?

This is a follow-up question to "so you needed people to unvote you to start thinking straight?", which doesn't make sense in the first place because I don't need anyone to unvote me. Like I said, after a few posts with me not being martyred or quicklynched, I just took it as a sign that 2012 is still 2 years away.

ODDin you are really grasping at straws here. Do you want to attack me? Do you want me to attack you? Are you trying to say something? Huh? Wanna start something!?

[Albert B. Rampage]

What, if you don't say "X is scum lynch him now plz" I'm supposed to infer that what you're saying is baseless gut feelings?

If I don't vote the player, if I don't mention the player anywhere else, if I don't even vote for that person in the post where I'm making a vague allusion to that player, then yes! It is safe to assume it is a feeling and not an argument!

Post 886 seemed to imply that the one "pulling the strings" was in fact diamond.

Indeed! Quite perceptive! Since you seem to not understand sarcasm, I will point it out every time I use it. That was sarcasm about you being perceptive.

You were never in danger of being quicklynched. Plus, you were talking about evilsnail being accused, not you.

That's awesome! Yes that was sarcasm too, because you can't possibly attack me because I wasn't in danger of being quicklynched or evilsnail being accused, both of which I hopefully do not control.

Do you want to attack me?

Sarcasm.

Do you want me to attack you?

Sarcasm.

Are you trying to say something? Huh? Wanna start something!?

Sar...wait for it...ORGASM. Just kidding, it was sarcasm. Sigh ODDin, can you post something worth addressing? It seems the best you can do is try to confuse me about two different things: one is me getting bandwagonned, and the other, the other snail getting attacked for defending me. Make no mistake, they are linked. Indeed when I was bandwagonned, I wasn't suspicious until evilsnail was also attacked for defending me, which raised doubts as to why that would happen. I know I'm town, so maybe scum tried to take a shot at me but didn't succeed so they redirected their attack on Evilsnail...or maybe I was overthinking it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay, here are my points against you in a clearer fashion.

1) You say you never said scum were accusing evilsnail. But you did say something which means exactly that you thought scum were accusing evilsnail. You're being terribly nitpicky about the specific formulation, but it's pretty obvious what the meaning was.
This is contradiction and backtracking.

2) You say your argument was merely a baseless gut feeling, and that you not voting anyone based on it was supposed to be an indication to that. However, you did vote diamond based on that argument. Also, you didn't actually say your argument was unfounded until I started questioning you about it.

3) When asked about when you realised your argument was unfounded, you said it was when people weren't voting for you anymore (post 1007). If an argument is wrong, you don't need anyone to unvote you for you to realise it's wrong.

4) You're suddenly all edgy and annoyed and moved to semi-insulting me. Fascinating.

Realized with a z.

1) The way I formulated it is indicative of my ideology that some thoughts arise not as a conscious endeavor but as something you have no control over, feelings that come and go as they please.

2) Obviously I don't want to undermine my own credibility by retracting a statement. Did Ford recall the Pinto when they discovered a deadly flaw in the car? No, they did not, because that would tarnish their reputation, which they need if they want to sell cars, and that I need to be taken seriously.

3) This is an outright lie. Why are you resorting to lying as a means to scumhunt?

4) What's the matter? Can't take a joke?

[Albert B. Rampage]

3) This is an outright lie. Why are you resorting to lying as a means to scumhunt?

This is an example of the type of leading questions you keep asking me, which isn't annoying, but I do view them as passive-aggressive.

If I was not to use your own methods against you, I would say:

3) You have misread, sir, because I never said that I changed my mind because people unvoted me. I said that more people weren't voting for me. Not that anyone unvoted me.

Before you push it away, there's a sizable difference between the two interpretations. If I change my mind after someone unvotes me, that becomes scummy because I am acting in reaction to people's perceptions of me. That's the way you are trying to frame the situation. The correct interpretation is that I changed my point of view when I wasn't being bandwagonned anymore because my point of view (that was a feeling of paranoia) depended on me being wagonned. See the difference?

[Albert B. Rampage]

twist the situation and try to say you weren't wrong even though you were - does.

...which I haven't done. Look, I may be right, it just seems improbable and I don't believe it at the moment.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well good looks like my interview is finished may I go home to my wife and kids now?

[Albert B. Rampage]

First few players on the list:

Wolframnhart: Joking personality, very non-committal until he was suddenly willing to lynch McGriddle. Suspicious opportunistic votes on tate and evilsnail.

FOS

CryMeARiver: Voted McGriddle and voted tate. Then unvoted tate and we are waiting for more content from him. Player seems to be purposely avoiding any originality of thought.

FOS

animorpherv1: Another player who attacked only McGriddle and tate. I didn't feel good about him when he defended kmd but after the flip he looks better, although still not providing any original votes.

MrSuave: Hardcore lurking, no votes in the entire game. O.K. at this point there are just too many lurkers and they need to be back in the game if town has got any chance of an intelligent lynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote McSuave

I have some thoughts about Yosarian I will post in due time, right now I'm taking a break.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's not really a "people being mean on the internet" thing, but more of a "don't be a fucking douchebag" thing.

Same difference.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah, it really is.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm completely fine for lynching either MrSuave or Manho, both huge non-contributors.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not opposed to a Starbuck lynch, she's annoying

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't hate you! You just have a negative vibe I like to stab at lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't want to wait until march 28th let's lynch manho.

Unvote, vote manjo

[Albert B. Rampage]

farside's a ma'am.

Thank ya ma'm

Mod: CryMeARiver was in another game that I am in and it was informed there that he is not allowed to be in any games due to him being banned by mith here

Wrong sir

, I was not allowed to JOIN any other games from my probation. I was in this game long before my probation was put in place.

Starbuck is also a she.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Manjo claim plz we want to lynch nao

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay I'm down to see some blood!

[Albert B. Rampage]

ZZZZZ

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unless there's SK or vig work at play here, I'm pretty sure the scum tried to recruit Yosarian and failed. Just think about it. They have to recruit a player that is influential enough to help them control the town, especially if that player was seen as pro-town the previous day. Yosarian fits both criteria.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm happy with CMAR, because I hate waiting and stalling.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Reckoner why did you safedeposit your vote on me for the entirety of yesterday?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also, the rules do say that if scum attempt to recruit a PR then he dies. It follows that scum can only recruit VTs.

Yes, and this was stated in the signup thread.

[Albert B. Rampage]

As I said, your tunneling on me was awful, and then your quick change of heart was equally as awful.

No...it was amazing. You're a terrible player.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nope your questions were illegitimate. My attacks were justified. And there you go voting for me again.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Not until you explain why changing your vote is suspicious....

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote

Reck, claim or die.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote Reckoner

No cop would claim like that without resisting a false accusation by one player.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote

O.K. one claimed tracker and the other claimed cop. We should let this blow over and make the scum make the decision for us. If they don't NK one of them, we'll gain more info and when we do lynch one of them we will have a lot of information about the game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote

O.K. one claimed tracker and the other claimed cop. We should let this blow over and make the scum make the decision for us. If they don't NK one of them, we'll gain more info and when we do lynch one of them we will have a lot of information about the game.

If you had two cops counter claim each other in a game where there's only one cop, would you keep them both alive?

Yes, of course. We have plenty of time before endgame. One of them will turn up dead tonight and tomorrow we just lynch the other.

If they are both alive, they will have more info for us from the investigative abilities they perform at night.

I think this is the safest plan. But if I wanted to risk it, I'd go for Reckoner today and see what comes out of it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There's just one thing that's bothering me about evilsnail. If he tracked Reckoner night 1, why didn't he try to get Reckoner lynched Day 2?

[Albert B. Rampage]

What ABR said actually makes a lot of sense. I'm not sure why I've never thought about doing this before.

ABR, at what point do you think we should get around to lynching one of the two?

Tomorrow IMO. One of evilsnail and Reck will find out more information, or one will die and we lynch the other.

As for ABR's plan, it has pluses and minuses. The sooner we know who is scum, the sooner we can draw conclusions from it to find the rest of the scumteam. As long as we're pursuing the "one of them is scum but we don't know who" avenue of thinking, we can't really try to discern what it means.

Yes, this is true. But we should consider that there's always individually scummy people in the game.

I don't like it either. Scum will claim blocked, or an inno result on scum/guilty on town.

Yeah and the town one will have valid info. Reck, why would you target bv anyway??

[Albert B. Rampage]

Reck's anger seems genuine to me. I'm not convinced by the case on him.

Evilsnail, when did you change your mind about Reckoner?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't care, I think Reckoner is scum. We're not gonna start speculating about bus drivers and shit now are we?

Vote Reckoner

In other news, I swear a lot less now because I don't want to be seen the same way as Reckoner.

[Albert B. Rampage]

lol?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah I love you too.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Cool so I'm L-2.

gg town. gg. Please lynch ABR or MrSuave tomorrow after I flip.

Haha, well done admitting that I'm telling the truth. If you were telling the truth, you would have said to lynch me.

This ^^^

[Albert B. Rampage]

If one of you is pulling a McGriddle, it's time to come clean.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Since joining in Pie tunneled hard on manho and has repeatedly tried to rolefish.

I've been accused of role-fishing as well. What is your opinion on that?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've been accused of role-fishing as well. What is your opinion on that?

You are my #4.

I see. Are you comfortable revealing who #3 is?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have already stated 3 suspects. I think right now it is most important to focus on Pie. What do you think of Pie's tunneling on manho, ABR?

No, you haven't. I assume, in the right order, Pie, then evilsnail, then ODDin, then me?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Right...iLord...you didn't explain that one at all.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well what do you think of me being accused of tunneling on Reckoner? We could do this all day. All day. My perspective is opposite to yours, because Pie has pretty much been doing the same things as I have, from what you're saying anyway.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And your "no town PRs should claim" theory is just wrong. We WANT our PRs getting nightkilled - it's better than our townies getting recruited.

What?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay, maybe I am just slow here, but where does it say that when cult tries to recruit a PR, the PR dies?

Signup thread.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Where is cooldog???

[Albert B. Rampage]

Honestly, guys, SlySly has yet to put out a cohesive argument today. I would really like to stop entertaining his little tangents and get on with the day. I'm most willing to string up CoolDog or CMAR, would be willing to entertain a few others. What are all y'all's thoughts on those two?

LOL, says the PR killer.

To be fair, he wants the scum to NK the power roles after they claim, he doesn't want to lynch them.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why don't you fuckers just lynch me, it will save me the trouble of having to put up with this ridiculousness?!?!

Oh man I had the greatest idea today. I had them start shaving carrots onto the sandwich after they add the chicken. Now alongside the zesty explosion of flavor I receive with every bite, I can experience a mild crunch that cools my mouth back down after each morsel of chickeny goodness is consumed.

Win.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The chance that Reckoner is scum is too great. I want the hammer.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Where is Starbuck?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Thoughts on elvis_knits?

[Albert B. Rampage]

What if bv is the vig?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was setting you up to say "Then God help us all". You fail the test.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Everyone: Reck is at 8/16 right now, and I haven't heard anyone on his wagon make any noises about changing. That means he's basically a dead man walking, and we're coasting through the rest of the day and waiting for our inactivities to check in. Am I right?

Yep.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not scum SlySly, no matter how you try to put it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I knew you were reasonable.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If you were scum, and e_s claims you were at kmd's the night he died, you would lie and say you were a cop in the hopes you would survive another day. And then maybe another one after that if you're lucky. This scenario is a lot worse than mistakenly lynching a claimed cop that is now as good as dead tonight.

[Albert B. Rampage]

In my opinion, if Reck was a cop, he would be all over e_s right now instead of advocating leaving them both alive. I know that if I was a cop, I would think that the scum had a tracker or a power role detector type, and were trying to remove me or force me to claim with one of their pawn recruits, or something like that. Reckoner avoiding e_s is why he is so scummy. I don't get that at all coming from a pro-town player.

[Albert B. Rampage]

How about this...

No lynch today? Let me and ES have another chance to get results, then report back tomorrow and decide?

Or we can lynch someone who's NOT me/ES/ODD/bv.

This post sold me on Reckoner being scum. He's trying to survive, to wiggle his way out of a bad situation instead of lynching scum. I'd like to see the hammer, personally.

[Albert B. Rampage]

But how could that post sell you when you were the one that originally suggested not lynching either of them?

I was pretty much expecting the two to vehemently be against the idea. Reckoner taking my idea and pawning it off as his own, and urging everyone to not lynch him or evilsnail or ODDin was quite alarming, to say the least.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm pretty sure town-reck would try to lynch evilsnail no matter what, and NOT be like "OH GUYZ I HAVE IDEA, LETS NOT LYNCH ME OR ES, DUNTCHU THINK MY IDEA IS GUD?"

If I was in Reckoner's shoes, I would say "OK guys, we should either lynch evilsnail because his claim is so damn flimsy and scummy, or we can do what ABR says worse case scenario so I can at least get another investigation off or die a martyr."

[Albert B. Rampage]

Already explained many times you can look it up.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This:

If you were scum, and e_s claims you were at kmd's the night he died, you would lie and say you were a cop in the hopes you would survive another day. And then maybe another one after that if you're lucky. This scenario is a lot worse than mistakenly lynching a claimed cop that is now as good as dead tonight.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I rather lynch Reck. If we have to go with my original plan, I would probably vote for Grimmy / Cooldog or wolf.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The Rampage Address, 3rd March 2010

We have half the population resolute in lynching Reckoner, and the other half too scared to risk lynching a claimed cop with questionable usefulness. It seems that this latter half should come up with

a better candidate for lynching

, whose alignment isn't influenced by Reckoner's flip. When this half comes to the conclusion that they can't come to an agreement because of their inherent dissident nature, we will lynch Reckoner and subsequently obtain the pertinent information essential to find the zombie lords post-reck flip. Do not make this task more difficult than it is.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If this game has a Town Captain Pie, I'm clearly it, minus the pie.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There isn't only one Zombie Lord, I think the mod has been pretty clear about that if you ignore the beginning of the day flavor.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well I thought I was scum. What happened there SlySly? Have I fallen from your graces?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Maybe you weren't as certain about me as you tried to make it look.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What are the possibilities where reck is town?
1)ES is scum
2)Scum busdriver

3) One or both are lying vanilla townies.

In which case they should be lynched regardless.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If you lie about being a cop you deserved to be lynched because we have no way to know if you're a scum or not...

Dumbass.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Starbuck is looking more and more pro-town, I don't know what he is doing but it's working.

[Albert B. Rampage]

lol? is this a joke?

[Albert B. Rampage]

And your "no town PRs should claim" theory is just wrong. We WANT our PRs getting nightkilled - it's better than our townies getting recruited.

What?

Unvote, vote Pie

[Albert B. Rampage]

If Reck flips scum, very strong FoS: ABR for this. He knows very well that I'm not about to get lynched when I'm at 2 votes with <24 hours 'till deadline. The only motivation I can think of for this is to ease pressure on Reck (who, being the first to 8 votes, would necessarily get lynched unless someone unvoted).

The fact that CMAR's claim echoes Reckoner's is a point in the latter's favor. I never suspected CMAR to begin with and I didn't like that wagon, but if CMAR confirms Reck's wording of the claim at least, as opposed to McGriddle's "I get their faction's name" claim.

I definitely don't like how your "PRs should claim" statement looks after you forced CMAR to be claim doctor. The CMAR wagon came about as a counterwagon to Reckoner's cop claim, completely devoid of any good reasoning. There's definitely one or even two scum in the three that claimed PRs, but with a doctor and two investigative roles, it's now to our advantage to lynch someone out of those 3. Hopefully, CMAR is telling the truth and protects someone from getting infected and we are back where we begun tomorrow, but with more time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That said, I am quite fine with Reckoner getting lynched. Pie is independently scummy and I think we can make a wagon on him before deadline hits. Whatever happens I'm happy so long as we don't lynch CMAR.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think we are headed for a no lynch.

Nope, the person with the most votes is lynched without majority.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Spyrex, do you think that scum are moving in on Pie to save Reckoner, or is the town trying to avert a PR lynch?

[Albert B. Rampage]

And I would be the reason why SlySly didn't die, if you are indeed a vig. My power comes with a RBing ability while I investigate. This is what I was hinting at while asking Reck about whether his N1 and N2 results were the same.

If your power comes with a RB, why didn't you target Reckoner?

I didn't target anyone Night 1.

I shot Yosarian on Night 2.

I took a shot at SlySly last night and it didn't go through.

Why did you not shoot anyone on Night 1?

[Albert B. Rampage]

since xReck wasn't told he was RBed by me (he claimed to have normal results Night 2), which means he wasn't doing anything Night 2, I thought that there was too big a chance he wouldn't be doing anything Night 3 either. So, I felt like the info gained by investigating someone else was worth it.

Probably lied.

Vote: Reckoner

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was adamant that CMAR was town the entire time, but near the end he was acting a little weird.

[Albert B. Rampage]

evilsnail, why Starbuck?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hi everyone!

For the moment, I have something for y'all to chew on.

If you targeted CryMeARiver last night, say so

RIGHT NOW

, and say exactly why you targeted him.

I know the name of one person who targeted CryMeARiver. If they're the only one, then they're scum.

I sincerely doubt we have any more power roles, Percy.

More Reck votes plz.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Wolf, YOU DA MAN!

[Albert B. Rampage]

2 of us got nailed by the PRs, that SUCKED! We still managed to win though, thanks to wolf.