This post is definitely not nonsense.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:UnvoteMoronic macho doc is moronic.Vote: Albert B. Rampagebecause he's not a follower and him pretending to be one is nonsense.
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best godfather fakeclaim, ever. We better have a vig to test his claim.don_johnson wrote:
i have been thinking this one over quite a bit, but i think it is best to claim my role right off the bat for a number of reasons. i realize there is detriment to it as well, but the idea of having a confirmed townie in lylo is something we should plan for. i know this throws a wrench in the works, but i have never had this role before, nor played with it in a game, and after thinking it through and weighing the pros and cons i have decided to just claim.
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unvote,did you guys actually buy this?muh316 wrote:Oh sorry I didnt notice this game *starts watching this topic* there. now im going to read.
not bloody likelymuh316 wrote:I had problems with my firefox and had to download it over again. So then I lost this out of my bookmarks. Now that its on my watched list along with my other games ill be more active.
muh316 in 216a wrote:Im just going to join the wagon because of the deadline. it seemed to pass by so fast. So we should probably just get on a good wagon for now.
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one of the two are scum, either slow-muh or sneaky-julien.julienvonwolfe wrote:Your reluctance to wagon is noted.
I just skimmed scot's posts in iso. What was his slip supposed to be? I didn't see it.Debonair Danny DiPietro in 300 wrote:
Scott hasn't posted on this site in nine days and it appears he's flaked from two or three other games as well that he was in, that's some real hardcore "active lurking".muh316 wrote:I also think a scott lynch would be better because he almost cost us a no lynch. And I think he might be activley lurking to find a way out of this slip. So that people forget about him.
Unvote; Vote: muh316
I think the muh may be one of those people that accuses other people of what he happens to know that he is guilty of: specifically active lurking.
my guess is that it was because muh and Josh were scumbuddies, and while Josh was pissed at muh for being the weakest link, he didn't really want to lynch him.julienvonwolfe in 200 wrote:
If you're so sure about your vote on muh, why the unvote?Josh Lyman wrote:Regarding muh: I just think that the way he phrased it sounded like he was trying to appear innocent, as though he actually hadn't realized the game had started. That is honestly how I parsed his post 188, so I checked his posts; when I found TWENTY of them, I basically lost it. Yes, I have a life, but I do know which games I'm in, whether or not my browser crashed or whatever. I still think his attitude is very anti-town, especially since he promised to be more active; he had two posts within 30 minutes, and now nothing. Can we say "active lurking?" IMO, muh should rectify this. Soon.
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vote:muh316for being a lazy scum player who pissed of his scum-mate Josh, accused Scott of what muh himself was guilty of, for trying to convince the town that his absence was due to bookmarking every game until he was forced to reinstall his browserthenhe magically discovered the "watched topics" function on this forum. Oh, and that weak claim. As a mod I've put in double roles before. The odds of the being two of the same roll in this game are slim, and the odds of the NK victim having the same unusual role as the first person to claim on day 2... incredibly slim. I estimate the odds of muh simply being ballsy enough (his first huge lie seemed to work after all!) to copy that role for his claim when he was forced to claim are much greater.-
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Thanks for helping me catch up!Chinaman wrote:^^I like this post
Adel: One thing I think you are missing is that Muh wasn't actually FORCED to claim. In fact, once I started posting, hiswagon lost steam quite rapidlybefore he claimed. Then he went and claimed anyway. Other than that, I'm on the same thought process with him and JL.
Over which interval of posts did his wagon lose steam over?
Over that period of time, he went from how many votes to how many?
3D's post corresponded very closely with the stereotype I have of ARB from over a year ago, when we last played in a game together. Now that I've had a chance to think about it, it isn't realistic for me to expect him to play the way that he played over a year ago. As town in this particular game, if he stuck with the aggressive and domineering play-style I remember him for, I don't think that he would have much luck identifying scum in this town. Only if he is scum with Mur (which I have no real reason to suspect at this point) does his play make perfect sense to me, but since that is conditional upon Mur being scum, Mur obviously hangs first.julienvonwolfe wrote: Adel, since you briefly voted ABR, can you expand on your thoughts about him? Did you simply agree with DDD?
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you mean this:
absurd.CallMeLiam wrote:
So you weren't interested before? The D1 'slip' wasn't great, but this seems way less than pro-town.Chinaman wrote:Ok, D1 ended with a scum lynch, good. This game has officially peeked my interest.
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wait, where did he say that he believes that wagon will be a mislynch?CallMeLiam wrote:Adel: The fact that Chinaman is on a wagon he believes to be a mislynch doesn't seem scummy to you at all? OK-
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funny, 322 makes you a lot more scummy to me than 321 makes Chinaman look scummyCallMeLiam wrote:.
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this is setting off all kinds of soft bus alarms for me.nhammen wrote: Albert B. Rampage (1): Debonair Danny DiPietro
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neither of you are going to get lynched when there are competing busses on potential VIs. In a debate death match either of you would mop the floor with either of them.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
Other than the fact that soft bussing after a correct day one lynch seems like the opposite of good strategy? And other than the fact that we can't be scum together because I'm town?Adel wrote:is there any reason these players can't be scum together?
At least you two aren't voting for muh anymore.
This way you get to be on the record as voting for each other, and not on the record as voting for someone who is proven by a lynch to be town.-
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you aren't acting like it:Albert B. Rampage wrote:Softbus? I want him lynched.Albert B. Rampage wrote:I will have a lot more to say after the lynch and NK.Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Yes, and look how well that went. No sarcasm.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
We've already had one of each of those and we're getting nothing from you so it's basically impossible to believe you.Albert B. Rampage wrote:I will have a lot more to say after the lynch and NK.
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322 isn't your post, but you are the subject of that post.CallMeLiam wrote:
Funny, post 322 isn't mine. You also ignored Paltry's question in post 369. Why don't you want to say anything at all about Chinaman Adel?Adel wrote:
funny, 322 makes you a lot more scummy to me than 321 makes Chinaman look scummyCallMeLiam wrote:.
adel: Post 321 is where he said it
Chinaman: If you self-vote then I fully expect we'd have at least one scum on the wagon: you. So feel free.
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jesus christ, I just realized how many macho docs might be in this game.
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that post accidentally reads like I am soft-claiming "macho doc". To prevent future confusion, I'll go ahead and do a partial claim: I amnotmacho, nor am I a doc.-
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julienvonwolfe, if you honestly want muh lynched instead of chinaman this is when you present your case.
if you are just coasting on the muh wagon so that you aren't connected to a chinaman mislynch, then do not present a case on muh.
you last real opinion on muh was
andjulienvonwolfe in 276 wrote: (I'm thinking he's scummy, but I'm not that sure of his alignment. I think the tells I collected are weak, and that there's not a lot he could do to refute them. It's players like these that I find provide interesting data - not from them alone, but from the way others interact with them. Perhaps it won't be useful straight away, but it will probably be useful in some way later in the game.)
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unvoteto prevent a premature Chinaman hammer
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julienvonwolfe wrote:Adel, I didn't like 302 and 303. 302 seems unnecessarily defensive. Its followup, 303, seems like an attempt to patch the damage. More a gut thing than anything. I also agree with DDD's 300. This in combination with my earlier questioning of him led to the 'huge scum vibes'.
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Sorry i didnt do my research on him before saying that. I should be more careful.Debonair Danny DiPietro in 300 wrote:
Scott hasn't posted on this site in nine days and it appears he's flaked from two or three other games as well that he was in, that's some real hardcore "active lurking".muh316 wrote:I also think a scott lynch would be better because he almost cost us a no lynch. And I think he might be activley lurking to find a way out of this slip. So that people forget about him.
Unvote; Vote: muh316
looking back at it, I think that 303 was a good question.muh316 in 303 wrote:And what makes that a good reason for voting me
which doesn't quite answer the question. Why would muh voting for scott be a scumtell for muh? DDD has demonstrated that he knows how to do an activity check, but has muh? At the time DDD made his vote on muh did DDD have sufficient evidence to conclude that a town-muh would be paying more attention to this inactive game than a scum-muh would be?Debonair Danny DiPietro in 308 wrote:
You're not paying attention and you have no interest in actually scumhunting. Town would be paying attention and has a huge interest in scumhunting.muh316 wrote:And what makes that a good reason for voting me
Muh points out to DDD that DDD and ABR are also useless so far in the game. Note that DDD then votes for ABR in a later post, right after Muh claims. Did DDD just do that to suck up to muh? Is sucking up, as opposed to skepticism, to someone immediately following their dodgy claim a town tell or a scumtell for DDD?muh316 in 310 wrote:
I also believe your not of any use to us either so is ABR and so is Chinaman. Why not vote all of them. Why not lynch them? If it was that simple nobody would ever sign up. There is no slips I've yet seen except for chinamansDebonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
You're not paying attention and you have no interest in actually scumhunting. Town would be paying attention and has a huge interest in scumhunting.muh316 wrote:And what makes that a good reason for voting me
Chinaman, please list all of the scummy things that have happened in this game thus far.Chinaman 316 wrote:muh316 wrote:
I also believe your not of any use to us either so is ABR and so is Chinaman. Why not vote all of them. Why not lynch them? If it was that simple nobody would ever sign up. There is no slips I've yet seen except for chinamansDebonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
You're not paying attention and you have no interest in actually scumhunting. Town would be paying attention and has a huge interest in scumhunting.muh316 wrote:And what makes that a good reason for voting meVote: Muh
because of this post. It's crap.First of all, there have been plenty of scummy things that have happened thus far.Secondly, I had thought it was pretty obvious that what was earlier thought of as a possible scum-slip from me was clarified thus bringing it up again to try and put doubt in about it again is scummy.
I would say that DJ is scummy as well even with the gift wrap of JL. Could be that he being JL's scum buddy decided to bus right off the bat. If muh flips scum, then I would say DJ is for sure town, but if muh flips town, I say DJ is scum due to me and muh (remember only if a town flip for muh) being on his list. I know I'm town and we will soon see a flip from muh, so if he flips town, that's 2 of the 3 players on his list that are town.
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which earlier questioning?julienvonwolfe wrote:This in combination with my earlier questioning of him led to the 'huge scum vibes'.
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why don't you believe his claim?Albert B. Rampage wrote:Wait, no. Can we lynch muh instead?
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funny how you unvoted DDD, who you claimed was not a soft bus target, to vote Chinaman citing your desire to get any lynch, only to unvote him and try to lynch Muh instead.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Softbus? I want him lynched.
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why would you have to "deal with" me?Albert B. Rampage wrote:I hope one of me, muh or Adel get NK'd. Too lazy to deal with the two of them at the same time.-
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nope, not bad, we are dragging you to the noose but you are still alive and able to speak. Look at the rule set. I have seen a couple of mods who wouldn't allow it, but nhammen is not one of them.Chinaman wrote:wait, is it bad to post in twilight if I have been lynched?-
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let me guess, you don't have an investigation result from N1?Albert B. Rampage wrote: I'm a macho cop.-
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link to MD post that includes ABR's definitions for INT, INV, and ACT:CallMeLiam wrote:
I can live with that. Also now I'd not only like their meaning spelt out but how you think coded conversation is helpful to the town at this point in the game.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
If you can't figure out what INT and ACT mean then your (generic) INT score drops at least two points from where it was originally slotted.CallMeLiam wrote:Adel, care to fill us all in on what INT INV and ACT mean?
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1. he is scumdon_johnson wrote:
i think the real question is: why is muh alive?Albert B. Rampage wrote:Who did muh protect?
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please answer this now ABRAdel wrote:ABR, on a scale from 1 (low) to 10 (high) what are your estimated INT, INV and ACT values for Muh, Chinaman, DDD, and julienvonwolfe?-
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I'm not going to answer that question because I think that scum players want my opinion on muh to be openly stated in the game before they take a position on him.
please link me to some of those town games? I want to take a look at them.don_johnson wrote: if you read my town games you will see that i am almost always lynched. in this game, that could be disastrous.
I have to say, after looking at you posts in Mini 701 I see that you like to lurk as a godfather, and try to draw a cop investigation as godfather, which makes me really distrust your claim in this game.
Vetren players, like don_johnson who has 2500 gameposts on this site, have to take responsibility for information generation and the overall activity level in the game.
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still waiting.Albert B. Rampage wrote:I will have a lot more to say after the lynch and NK.-
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OMFG, this stuff in bold is so scummy it hurts. Where are those links to the games as town you mentioned? Oh, you were too caught up indon_johnson wrote:i haven't been lurking. i am actually posting quite frequently.i also generated the bulk of the case on JoshLyman. mini 701 was actually my first game on site. i didn't lurk at all until the last couple days. in fact, i was quite active the first day i replaced in. also, not sure where you think i was "trying" to draw an investigation in that game.Spyrex called me out as scum rather quickly. the only reason i won is because my scum partner sac'd himself for the doc day one, masons claimed, and there was another scum team who did the rest of the work for me. i endgamed because the remaining member of the other scum team pulled a terrible fakeclaim out of her ass in lylo.even still, one game does not a meta make.
if you don't want to voice your opinion that's fine, but don't go around demanding answers from other players(ABR) when you refuse to answer questions yourself.
i am actually in the process of rereading this game to get a better perspective. i was pretty confident in the china lynch, but its time to reevaluate.
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I was trying to figure out how Josh got lynched by an end of day 1 bandwagon. A last minute day 1 wagon is such a super rare occurrence that I figure a strong bus must've been the cause.-
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OMFG, this stuff in bold is so scummy it hurts. Where are those links to the games as town you mentioned? Oh, you were too caught up indon_johnson wrote:i haven't been lurking. i am actually posting quite frequently.i also generated the bulk of the case on JoshLyman. mini 701 was actually my first game on site. i didn't lurk at all until the last couple days. in fact, i was quite active the first day i replaced in. also, not sure where you think i was "trying" to draw an investigation in that game.Spyrex called me out as scum rather quickly. the only reason i won is because my scum partner sac'd himself for the doc day one, masons claimed, and there was another scum team who did the rest of the work for me. i endgamed because the remaining member of the other scum team pulled a terrible fakeclaim out of her ass in lylo.even still, one game does not a meta make.
if you don't want to voice your opinion that's fine, but don't go around demanding answers from other players(ABR) when you refuse to answer questions yourself.
i am actually in the process of rereading this game to get a better perspective. i was pretty confident in the china lynch, but its time to reevaluate.
unvote, vote:don_johnson
I was trying to figure out how Josh got lynched by an end of day 1 bandwagon. A last minute day 1 wagon is such a super rare occurrence that I figure a strong bus must've been the cause.
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don_johnson wrote:even still, one game does not a meta make.don_johnson wrote:i am not linking you to town games. if you want to build a case on me then go ahead and do it.
WTF?don_johnson wrote:if you don't want to voice your opinion that's fine, but don't go around demanding answers from other players(ABR) when you refuse to answer questions yourself.-
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fixed.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Because I wanted to flush another cop or at least some other cluses that would assist my scumteam in a massclaim.-
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come on ABR, why don't you want to play with me? You used to be so eager to replace into games I was in, and were always so quick to conclude that I was scum in those games, and in those games you worked so hard to get me lynched.
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this is interestingnhammen wrote:And I guess I'll be searching for a replacement for Albert B. Rampagevote:ABR
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Play To Win.don_johnson wrote:the logic is terrible. using a mod post to determine your vote is heinous.
I'm confident that ABR was being a PITA and the mod disapproves, and ABR is being tactical about his use of a threat of replacement as well as his decision to replace out.
I play "out guess the mod" to get insight into setups, and win games. My best guess on the setup is two similar theories:
1- ABR is scum on a team with an investigative ability (role cop or gunsmith) but no ability to kill. ABR hates duel-scum games, and he is convinced that the nk proves that there is a second scum team in the game.
2- ABR is on a scum team that is not {Mafia} like Josh was revealed to be. He hates duel scum games, and is replacing out.
Anyhow, ABR is scum. Hammer please.-
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in your opinion what are the advantages of "no lynch"?don_johnson wrote:hmmm. good deal.
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why do you think that it is standard mafia theory?don_johnson wrote:we have five. two scum dead. assuming three that leaves
4 town
1 scum
no lynch lets scum take someone out.
3 town
1 scum
+ night action results. makes for better odds. i think its pretty standard mafia theory.-
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/muh316 wrote:He seemed the least scummiest at that time during day 1 to me.
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ok, here is the problem I have: if he thought that you weren't scummy then he believed your bulletproof claim, so why would he protect you?don_johnson wrote:this is amusing. i think it should be pretty obvious why i was the least scummiest. as far as i'm concerned jvw and myself are obvtown.
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k.don_johnson wrote:i agree. which is exactly why this is amusing to me.
/in to massclaim. popcorn, starting when 3 people agree to massclaim. muh has full claimed, so once three have agreed I want him fullclaim using the form and also pick who does a fullclaim second. That person will full-claim in a single post, which shall include the following information:
1. Active Abilities
2. Passive Abilities
3. Groups (will passive abilities and active abilities)
4. Faction
5. Targets, Actions and/or Results if your role has them
6. Reasons for your targets
7. name of the next person who will claim
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so paraphrase, but do not quote.our mod wrote:You may never quote anything you received as PM from me. You also may never quote anything from a quicktopic. This does not apply once the game ends.-
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wait, why do you think that this is standard mafia theory?Adel wrote:
why do you think that it is standard mafia theory?don_johnson wrote:we have five. two scum dead. assuming three that leaves
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1 scum
no lynch lets scum take someone out.
3 town
1 scum
+ night action results. makes for better odds. i think its pretty standard mafia theory.-
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links, or it didn't happen.don_johnson wrote:that's how it has been explained to me.-
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no. link us to where it "was explained" to you. The specific syntax of "that's how it has been explained to me" infers the existence of a conversation where someone explained the tactic of NL with 5 alive in a 12 player 3 scum on one faction game to you in a convincing way, and that you remember that conversation.don_johnson wrote:wiki it. its "standardness" is debatable.
I want proof that that conversation exists.-
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with 1 mafia member and 1 sk alive + 3 towniesdon_johnson wrote: if i am mistaken and you think it is a bad idea you could just explain why.
five alive + NL - 2NKs = 3 alive tomorrow
If you are a bulletproof SK than NL today is your best shot of winning.
I think you lied about there being a conversation where someone explained how NL with 5 alive is optimal.-
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