Mini 889 - Shopping Frenzy (Over)

[don_johnson]

i don't keep a running catalogue of my games. couldn't honestly tell ya which game it was, but the first time the scenario came up in a game was when it was explained to me. i think it may have been ectomancer who laid it out for me in those terms. if i am mistaken and you think it is a bad idea you could just explain why. not sure why your panties are in a bunch. five alive, two scum dead, mass claim and no lynch are both viable and accepted strategies according to my MS experience(the wiki notwithstanding).

if you would like to believe that it never happened that's fine. if you have a point to make regarding that belief, then make it.

[Adel]

DJ an i are /in for a massclaim. Is anyone else?

[julienvonwolfe]

I'm good with a massclaim.

[Adel]

if i am mistaken and you think it is a bad idea you could just explain why.

with 1 mafia member and 1 sk alive + 3 townies
five alive + NL - 2NKs = 3 alive tomorrow

If you are a bulletproof SK than NL today is your best shot of winning.


I think you lied about there being a conversation where someone explained how NL with 5 alive is optimal.

[Adel]

Three of us support massclaim: me, DJ, jvw

muh please fill out the following:

1. Active Abilities
2. Passive Abilities
3. Groups (will passive abilities and active abilities)
4. Faction
5. Targets, Actions and/or Results if your role has them
6. Reasons for your targets
7. name of the next person who will claim

the faster we do this the better

[muh316]

I support it to
So
and ive already claimed so adel u should go

[Adel]

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1. Active Abilities: don't have any
2. Passive Abilities: don't have any
3. Groups (will passive abilities and active abilities) : don't have any
4. Faction: the town
5. Targets, Actions and/or Results if your role has them: n/a
6. Reasons for your targets: n/a
7. name of the next person who will claim: don_johnson

go don_johnson, go!

[julienvonwolfe]

(DDD can respond to my vote on him yesterday, too)

[nhammen]

(DDD can respond to my vote on him yesterday, too)

I did not have that listed in the end of day vote count... This has been fixed

Vote Count

Not voting (5): Adel, Debonair Danny DiPietro, don_johnson, julienvonwolfe, muh316

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch

[don_johnson]

bulletproof vigilante

1. kill (1-shot)
2. bullet proof vest, bullet proof vest
3. none
4. town
5. call me liam for vig kill
6. same reason as suspicion of josh. fear of nk immune player. only scum fear 'em.
7. ddd

[Adel]

nice shot! This is the first time in a while I've seen a 1-shot vig wait to use it on scum, instead of blowing a 1-shot kill on a hunch N1.

[Adel]

i don't keep a running catalogue of my games. couldn't honestly tell ya which game it was, but the first time the scenario came up in a game was when it was explained to me. i think it may have been ectomancer who laid it out for me in those terms. if i am mistaken and you think it is a bad idea you could just explain why. not sure why your panties are in a bunch. five alive, two scum dead, mass claim and no lynch are both viable and accepted strategies according to my MS experience(the wiki notwithstanding).

if you would like to believe that it never happened that's fine. if you have a point to make regarding that belief, then make it.

if i am mistaken and you think it is a bad idea you could just explain why.

with 1 mafia member and 1 sk alive + 3 townies
five alive + NL - 2NKs = 3 alive tomorrow

If you are a bulletproof SK than NL today is your best shot of winning.


I think you lied about there being a conversation where someone explained how NL with 5 alive is optimal.

any response to this d_j?

[Adel]

5. call me liam for vig kill

why liam over muh?

[Adel]

hey muh, who did you protect n1?

I protected DJ
Night 2 Was Adel
Night 3 was Liam(who roleblocked me, no wonder I was NK'ed)

I support it to
So
and ive already claimed so adel u should go

you forgot to tall us why you targeted laim for protection.

Why did you?

[Adel]

and you also didn't explain why you protected me. please tell us why you targeted me and liam.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

1. Active Abilities: don't have any
2. Passive Abilities: don't have any
3. Groups (will passive abilities and active abilities) : don't have any
4. Faction: the town
5. Targets, Actions and/or Results if your role has them: n/a
6. Reasons for your targets: n/a
7. name of the next person who will claim: julien

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

(DDD can respond to my vote on him yesterday, too)

Well the beginning doesn't look terribly great for you, you identify a trend, call Liam's post a late bus and then run elsewhere. It's a nice backdoor if Liam did get Lynched (or NKed) and frankly what I would do as scum. Try and push the lynch of the townie, but make sure I'm covered in regards to my scum partner.

His iso 10 is a defense of Josh.

I don't think it was a defense as much as an explanation for treating Torquez and Josh differently. In retrospect Josh was the one guilty of doing what I mentioned in ISO 11 and 13 and I rather screwed that up just piledriving Torquez.

His iso 19 is kind of a defense combined with a distancing post.

In ISO 19 I mock Scott's poor logic. I make no mention of what Josh said and if anything defend DJ. This is a complete miss.

Perhaps it's confirmation bias, but I can easily read his iso 21 as coming from a frustrated scumbuddy.

Even you lack confidence on this point because it's complete nonsense and you expressed similar confused sentiment the post before this one. Josh had just come out of left field with bizarre behavior and I wanted an explanation. No explanation was forthcoming, a bandwagon started, I voted to lynch.

Of all your points the only one with any remote credibility is ISO 10 and I admit to screwing that read up (which is then amusing considering my arguments in 11 and 13).

[Adel]

bulletproof vigilante

1. kill (1-shot)
2. bullet proof vest, bullet proof vest
3. none
4. town
5. call me liam for vig kill
6. same reason as suspicion of josh. fear of nk immune player. only scum fear 'em.
7. ddd

quickly, before jvw claims, are you sure that you don't have any other passive abilities?


~~~

something I've been working on:

[don_johnson]

adel: i already went. not sure how many times you have participated in a mass claim, but it is usually done with little to no discussion in between the claims. not sure what your rush is, but we need jvw's claim before we get to asking and answering questions. i'm sure you'd like a link to a game where i participated in a mass claim, but you're just going to have to trust me here. i am pretty sold on jvw as town, so i am not worried about them manipulating information, but the possibility exists and if you are town then it should

most certainly

exist from your pov(see ddd).

anyhoo, jvw, hows about that claim?

[Adel]

adel: i already went.

you do not have

any

other passive abilities?

[don_johnson]

i have already claimed. waiting on jvw.

[julienvonwolfe]

1, 2, 3. I am the (a?) motion detector, see role PM in post 2.

4. Faction: the town
5. Targets, Actions and/or Results if your role has them: Night one I targeted Torqez, night two DJ and night three Adel. Each time, I was told that there was no motion.
6. Reasons for your targets: Torqez - no real reason, other than my having a bit of a difficult time reading Torqez. I figured any information that I could dig up on him would help. DJ, I finally figured out that I could test his bulletproof townie claim by seeing if he targeted anybody. If he happened to target someone with an ability, I would know that he wasn't a bulletproof townie (at least, he wasn't a bulletproof townie without any other abilities). Adel - same reasoning as Torqez.
7. name of the next person who will claim: I think that's it.



I guess this supports but doesn't prove DJ's claim.

It's almost a worthless role if you get no result, IMO, unless it directly contradicts something said in thread. (From a game setup point of view, I think I quite like it.)

[don_johnson]

i'll have a response later today, but it seems to me that i have been on the right trail. today should be between ddd and adel. i see no reason to vote ddd.

scott brosius= adel

vote: adel

smart night actions = win for town.

[don_johnson]

alright. a few minutes before i leave for school.

so far, i think we've been spot on. i have been sold on jvwtown since day 1. the way he handled the lyman wagon could only have been bussing at its finest, but is more likely than not a town action. place the "motion detector" claim on top and you have all but confirmed. jvw went last. he could have claimed anything.

scum is between adel, muh, ddd.

adel is most obvious here due to their gameplay and that of their predecessor. also fits the one scum on, one scum off the day 1 scum wagon theory. most likely scum. in regards to their repeated meta requests, i find them irrelevant and distracting. they seem to be implying suspicion of the "nk immune" townie for quite a while, and most of it today is based on the grand ASSUMPTION that i am somehow lieing about my understanding of mafia theory. asking someone to dig through 30+ games to find a conversation that is commonplace in many games and newbie forums is a bit absurd, hence the lack of response. adel also seemed to glaze over the fact that i asked for "mass claim or no lynch?". instead they seem to focus on the no lynch aspect of my request.

muh: questionable night targets. i would have to go back and see the case on him previously. has never been a target of mine but remains a possibility.

ddd: reads town, could be lurking scum. can be confirmed through night actions possibly.

lynching adel leaves few options. a scum flip should win the game. a town flip leaves us with the chance for jvw to watch me, muh to protect jvw. have to go. thoughts?

[Adel]

thoughts?

I didn't move last night. There were two night kills last night.

On n2, the night DJ had no motion, there was only one kill: the mafia's.

Our SK decided not to kill so that we would be less lieky to question his fakeclaim.

You are a

Mafia Goon

. The game thread is located here. Confirm by PM.

Active Abilities

• None

Passive Abilities

• None

Groups

Mafia

Members

• Member 1
  
• Member 2

Active Abilities

• Kill

Passive Abilities

• {Cop} Investigation Modifier {Guilty}
  
• {Gunsmith} Investigation Modifier {Has A Gun}
  
• Confirm {$Group}
  
• Night Talk
  • Night 0
    
  • quicktopic

Faction

• Mafia

You win when all players remaining are members of your faction, or nothing can prevent the same.

note the passive ability of a Gunsmith investigation modifier.

D_J forgot to fakeclaim that part.