why didn't you claim your kill when you claimed bulletproof?don_johnson wrote:. there is zero evidence of sk.
Under my plan if I was scum, I still have to kill either muh or JVW and can't touch confirmed town Adel. Which sends us to LYLO with me pointing a finger at the other person with confirmed town Adel deciding things for us. This is the exact same scenario that muh-scum and JVW-scum would face. It is not an auto-win for anyone.don_johnson wrote:flaw in your plan which lets you win as scum is muh protecting adel. adel could be mafia ninja. muh needs to protect jvw. jvw watches me.
you should be lynched. you are the least confirmed vanilla.
adel: are you trying to be annoying? i don't link. i think i may have tried it once or twice, but its not how i roll.
vote: ddd
good call. but its not irrational. lynching me hurts our chances of winning. read internal struggle for reference. there is zero evidence of sk.
he can watch the guy who still has a bulletproof vest to confirm that he is town. he can watch the doc to make sure the doc is protecting him and not murdering someone else.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Don, please tell me how JVW's investigative role would actually help this town at this point.
ummm.don_johnson wrote:he can watch the doc to make sure the doc is protecting him and not murdering someone else.
means that targeting muh would only tell jvw if muh used an ability or not.{Motion Detected}: If $Target targeted a player with an ability
please answer this don.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Don, please tell me how JVW's investigative role would actually help this town at this point.
No, he can confirm that the guy with the bulletproof vest isn't targeting anyone that night. The possibility that you are a bulletproof SK who held fire still exists and as a bulletproof SK making a 1/1/1 LYLO basically means you win, which doesn't look good for how you're pushing so hard here.don_johnson wrote:he can watch the guy who still has a bulletproof vest to confirm that he is town. he can watch the doc to make sure the doc is protecting him and not murdering someone else.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Don, please tell me how JVW's investigative role would actually help this town at this point.
and so we're not going to address the possibility of investigation modifiers? interesting focus.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
No, he can confirm that the guy with the bulletproof vest isn't targeting anyone that night. The possibility that you are a bulletproof SK who held fire still exists and as a bulletproof SK making a 1/1/1 LYLO basically means you win, which doesn't look good for how you're pushing so hard here.
he can make sure the doc is doing what he's supposed to do and not murdering anyone. but this is not what you state the motion detector does. please clarify this.ddd wrote:And he cannot make sure the doc is doing anything, he can only target the doc and make sure the doc is targeting someone. The motion detector knows nothing about alignment, ability or target, just that player1 is targeting someone else with an ability.
God damn, you're dumber than a box of hammers, Don. This was just covered. I explained why this is the wrong interpretation in 565 and the mod confirmed it 568.don_johnson wrote:maybe i am misunderstanding the role. rereading sample pm:
so, if jvw's target does not target a power role, then the result is "no motion"?
if that's the case, then adel is so far from confirmed that its not even funny.
semioldguy was killed, right? he was vanilla, right? so if adel killed him and jvw watched, this would return a result of "no motion", right?
so ddd saying that adel is "confirmed" is tremendously untrue, right?
so the guy trying to rid the town of a "useless" town power role to save a "confirmed" townie for lylo is claiming "vanilla". rrriiigghhht...
vote stays. what are your thoughts on that adel?
So your theory is that we just had a mass claim and that optimal strategy is to assume that a pro-town player lied about their claim giving incomplete information. I revise my previous statement from box of hammers to bag of rocks. Or are you still assuming that Adel is a "mafia ninja" when that modifier doesn't exist in this game, per the semi-open setup. I revise bag of rocks to gallon of milk.don_johnson wrote:and so we're not going to address the possibility of investigation modifiers? interesting focus.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
No, he can confirm that the guy with the bulletproof vest isn't targeting anyone that night. The possibility that you are a bulletproof SK who held fire still exists and as a bulletproof SK making a 1/1/1 LYLO basically means you win, which doesn't look good for how you're pushing so hard here.
He does not have a role similar to a tracker, JVW's alleged role shows ONLY if players1 uses ability x to target player2, it does not tell JVW what the ability was, it does not tell him who he targeted it only says "Yes - player 1 targets someone with something" or "No - player 1 did not target anyone".don_johnson wrote:he can make sure the doc is doing what he's supposed to do and not murdering anyone. but this is not what you state the motion detector does. please clarify this.ddd wrote:And he cannot make sure the doc is doing anything, he can only target the doc and make sure the doc is targeting someone. The motion detector knows nothing about alignment, ability or target, just that player1 is targeting someone else with an ability.
either jvw has a role similar to "tracker" or not. if he can only see power roles, then it makes perfect sense for the guy who claimed vanilla to want him dead.
source: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 28#2069728don_johnson in 487 wrote:Adel is scummy regardless of the flip. ABR wants out, a replacement is more work for the mod regardless of alignment. grant the wish. if he's scum, great, if he's not then Adel is 100%.
The setup was actually two scum and a cult mentor and then cult mentee.Adel wrote:845 3 ---DDD, please tell us about this game.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12257
why don't you think that he might be mafia?Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:The setup was actually two scum and a cult mentor and then cult mentee.Adel wrote:845 3 ---DDD, please tell us about this game.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12257
We actually had a scenario vaguely like this in terms of concept. We were in a four person MYLO with Don with Don having a cop innocent on him. However, there was still a slim possibility that Don was a mafia godfather so we still no lynched over Don's strenous objections because it's bad policy to attempt to outguess the mod, Don was NKed and we (the town) won the game. Here we sit with the possibility that Don is a bulletproof SK and even though it might actually be likelier that he is a vig, it doesn't make sense to outguess the mod as to whether or not Don is a vig or SK, we should eliminate the possibility that he's an SK that can auto-win in LYLO by lynching him, simplify the game and get a confirmed townie (as far as I can tell) to LYLO.
Because it seems pretty ludicrous for mafia to claim a kill like that, given that a vig counter-claim basically guarantees them a loss. And even if there is no counterclaim they still have to deal with suspicion of being an SK. It basically makes no sense for scum to go down that road even for a gallon of milk like Don.Adel wrote:why don't you think that he might be mafia?Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:The setup was actually two scum and a cult mentor and then cult mentee.Adel wrote:845 3 ---DDD, please tell us about this game.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12257
We actually had a scenario vaguely like this in terms of concept. We were in a four person MYLO with Don with Don having a cop innocent on him. However, there was still a slim possibility that Don was a mafia godfather so we still no lynched over Don's strenous objections because it's bad policy to attempt to outguess the mod, Don was NKed and we (the town) won the game. Here we sit with the possibility that Don is a bulletproof SK and even though it might actually be likelier that he is a vig, it doesn't make sense to outguess the mod as to whether or not Don is a vig or SK, we should eliminate the possibility that he's an SK that can auto-win in LYLO by lynching him, simplify the game and get a confirmed townie (as far as I can tell) to LYLO.
