Open 172 - Mini Love - GAME OVER!

[dramonic]

/confirm

[dramonic]

Vote: Nik

You're always confirmed town, something is amiss somewhere

[dramonic]

You have to be scum somewhere.

[dramonic]

It's the RVS, I can fall victim to gambler's fallacy if I wish

The "Oi, wait for me!" VOTE COUNT

Nikanor (2): Looker, dramonic
Looker (1): Head_Honcho

Not Voting (9): Khamisa, Snow_Bunny, Slepz, Nikanor, Yankee, Locke Lamora, animorpherv1, Vino, Netlava

With 12 Alive, 7 is needed to lynch.

[dramonic]

LL, you saw Nik as scum? 0_0

[dramonic]

The people of genericville dont know what they're missing

[dramonic]

*adopts fetal position*

Nik cannot be scum... it's counter-nature

[dramonic]

You have no sense of humour

[dramonic]

I now have a new idea for a theme game *scribbles down*

[dramonic]

Hyperbole:

(after blowing up a city)

DudeB: Grats, you just killed a few million innocent to please your madness.
Madman: That's not true, I haven't even killed 1 million.
DudeB: It's an hyperbole, you know what I meant.

Basically, gross exageration that isnt a metaphor.

[dramonic]

Well, radicalness makes things clear

[dramonic]

He killed less than a million in my case.

[dramonic]

actually, they were a cult coupled with a bunch of serial killers.

Unvote
Vote: Ani

scared of L-2? Ridiculous <<

[dramonic]

*coughChartercuogh*

[dramonic]

achoo

Vote:Khamisa

ooooo

[dramonic]

we can get lovers to claim at a later moment in the game.

[dramonic]

I don't think trying to continue RVS is always scummy. I mean, come on, RVS is girly kiddish fun. Who doesn't love that?

The RVS is fine. Continuing it when its over is not

The "<3 Activity" VOTE COUNT

Khamisa (3): Netlava, dramonic, Head_Honcho
Yankee (2): Locke Lamora, Nikanor
animorpherv1 (1): Looker
dramonic (1): Snow_Bunny
Locke Lamora (1): Slepz
Nikanor (1): Yankee
Slepz (1): Vino
Snow_Bunny (1): animorpherv1
Vino (1): Khamisa

Not Voting (0)

With 12 Alive, 7 is needed to lynch.

[dramonic]

By definition, RVS ends when someone enonciates a case. If you keep RVing, it's because you're ignoring the case/it's response, AKA you aren't scumhunting when you should be.

[dramonic]

How oes that relate to my vote? I'm attacking a stance, not a behaviour.

[dramonic]

thank you Nik. ^_^

[dramonic]

It's a good plan in essence, but it's pretty risky.

[dramonic]

Because Nik is always town XP

No, seriously I don't want the lovers to claim. It's a suicidal maneuver for the town. if we myslinch today and the lovers are claimed we're in MyLo day 3.

[dramonic]

Hmm, I guess it's true. So what do you propose? Claiming won't help.

[dramonic]

That is IF the treacherous dies. Which relies on luck really.

[dramonic]

since when can lovers nighttalk?

[dramonic]

lovers have never been able to nighttalk in games I've played...

[dramonic]

I'm not that loud when I entertain time with my lover XP

[dramonic]

The idea is sweet, but it's not going to work.

Also, why am I buddying to Nik?

[dramonic]

I dont feel like I'm buddying to you. I'm asking why he's saying I'm buddying to you.

[dramonic]

I dont think we're talking about the same links.

[dramonic]

Yankee wasn't extending the RVS in my opinion, since I don't consider at that point we were out of RVS yet.

[dramonic]

The first post was joking, the second was thanks for service rendered (giving the definitions in my absense), the third is an opinion,

Of course Nik could be scum, he just hasn't done anything to ping my scumdar yet. His plan seems towndriven, even if its not good

[dramonic]

I spy with my little eye something begin with big fat scum-coaching!

[dramonic]

unvote
Vote: Looker

[dramonic]

All three of my votes have a reason though

[dramonic]

For you americans, here in canada thanksgiving is the second monday of october.

[dramonic]

Nik, play nice

Scum is usually nervous though.

[dramonic]

let's not be overly agressive fellows.

I say we lynch the claimed lovers. If HH is scum we got the treacherous, if not the other loverpair has scum in it and the townie will reveal himself to help the lynch of scum occur.

Unvote
Vote: Yankee

[dramonic]

How is Nik's plan suicidal yet you think this is a good idea? This is a potential 3-1 townie-scum trade and you seem to have overlooked the fact that we're not going to know which of the other lovers is scum.

Nik's plan was to out the lovers, which I think is a bad idea. However, they've outed themselves. We should lynch our claimed lovers because if HH is the scum the other lover-team can not claim and stay hidden. If they are both townies we'll get the scum tomorrow, which isn't that bad.

Optimally I'd have appreciated the lovers not claiming, but it's too late.

Also, the reason I doubt Yankee is scum is because he tried to self-hammer.

[dramonic]

Actually, HH, it's not 5 town for 1 scum.

First, we have no proof you arent scum.
Second, if you aren't the second lover can claim, doesnt mean we should lynch him right away. We know where one of our scum is, doc has two less people to protect, cop 2 less to investigate...

It's a fair trade.

[dramonic]

The Roles

This is an Open Game, using the

Mini Love setup

.

2 Mafia Goons
1 Treacherous Lover
3 Lovers
1 Doc
5 Townies

... *facepalm*

So I was right, but look at it this way: the scum won't kill those lovers til real close to endgame. It's going to make incredible WIFOM through and through, we should just get out of it now.

[dramonic]

err, I mean wrong, not right.

[dramonic]

Go go gadget AtE votes.

[dramonic]

335 is sooooo appealing to emotions

[dramonic]

Are you implying that I'm not to be taken seriously if I don't explain how voting someone for saying someone else is stupid is AtE?

[dramonic]

While i could hypothetically support a Khamisa lynch, I am much more interested in ridding ourselves of the lover duo. They will cause us lotsa trouble later on and are a rather massive source of WIFOM as the game progress.

[dramonic]

so you prefer we keep them alive til scum decides not to NK them because they provide a nice cover up?

[dramonic]

So do I, as my vote as shown.

Also Khamisa, you shouldn't have claimed. If the treacherous isn't with you you're a target now.

[dramonic]

It does narrow the field of scum, yes. But it does so even if the lovers die. Scum won't kill the lovers before much later, it's basic tactic. The longer lovers are alive, the longer scum is in control.


Stats for you on day 3(assuming we keep the lovers alive and no protection succeeds)

From most likely to least likely:

we mislynch twice, we're in LyLo with 3 scum
we mislynch once, we're in so weird MyLoesque but not quite situation with 2 scum
we don't mislynch, we win

Assuming we lynch lovers and complete doc fails, we'll be in MyLo day 3 with 2 scum whatever happens.

If we wait for tomorrow before hitting the lovers:

We lynch the wrong pair: We're in MyLo day 3, but without any lynched scum (although we have a confirmed one we CAN'T lynch...)
We lynch the right pair, we're in MyLo day 3 with 2 scum

VOTE COUNT

Nikanor (4): Vino, animorpherv1, Snow_Bunny, Looker
Khamisa (3): Kirbyoshi, Head_Honcho, Netlava
Yankee (2): Khamisa, dramonic
Vino (2): Nikanor, Yankee
Dramonic (1): Locke Lamora

Not Voting (0)

With 12 Alive, 7 is needed to lynch.
4 Needed to lynch at Deadline.

The extended deadline is October 24th, sometime in the evening.

[dramonic]

Also SB, Nik-Kham-Yankee isn't a possible scumteam. If Kham is treacherous then HH would have denied his link to Yankee.

If Yankee is treacherous, the other lovers would know Kham is lying and (hopefully) claim it.

[dramonic]

Yankee, by the principle I explained above

[dramonic]

Bad idea.

If she's in the town lover pair it'll be easier for the doc to keep her couple safe.

We're better off lynching Yankee.

[dramonic]

Well, if we lynch Kham and she was in the treacherous pair then other lovers have 50% chance of survival.

however if we lynch Yankee and HH and they flip treacherous, Kham's pair only has a 13 or so % chance of dying if she doesn't claim.

Whichever pair we lynch if they flip town-lovers the other pair is lynched later, so the time is irrelevant...

[dramonic]

I know, but I think Yankee & HH is somewhat scummier than Khamisa.

[dramonic]

As for the 3 people possible to be lynched today (Khamisa, Yankee, Nikanor) I believe that the best choice would be Khamisa because it is my firm belief that whoever her lover is, is the treacherous lover.

Leveled up!
Strenght increased by 2!
Intelligence increased by 3!
HP increased by 7!
Scumminess increased by 5!

It is your belief that Kham's partner is the treacherous??? That's like saying "I believe someone is scum, so I'll roll a dice and see who I vote."

[dramonic]

Current lynch is Khamisa, FEI

[dramonic]

@Nik: <3

The wagon on Nik is so incredibly scummy, it's hurting my eyes to look at the votecount.

[dramonic]

Because all the votes on Nik are weird, because he's not being scummy in my eyes, because the people voting him have (for the most part) scummy posts themselves.

Also, I <3 playing with Nik.

[dramonic]

considering ISO 48, why do you guys still want to lynch Vino or Nik or a nonlover? I'd like a direct response.

[dramonic]

my own.

[dramonic]

Isolation 48. Means my post 48, which you can access with the "display posts from previous" bar under the submit button.

[dramonic]

toldja

[dramonic]

Yankee is a lynch for scum and cowards. The man himself is the main supporter of it.

I wouldn't expect you to support it, since you're his lover and want to survive, but it's not just scum and coward. Numbers point at it as optimal.

[dramonic]

... -_-

ISO 48, damn it.

[dramonic]

big surprise, I'm for lynching the lovers.

[dramonic]

If we try to lynch scum today, NK, scum are 3/10. mislynch lovers, NK, scum are 3/7, lynch lovers, nk, scum are 2/4 which is lylo.

Erm, that's completely wrong HH
Let's say we scratch the reads and doc protects for a second

If we try to lynch scum today (let's say we fail)
3/8
Then we mislynch lovers
3/5
MyLo
39% to happen

If we try to lynch scum today (let's say we fail)
3/8
Then we lynch lovers
2/6 with town lovers alive (this is worse than 2/5 without lovers, fyi)
39% to happen

If we try to lynch scum today and succeed!
2/9
mislynch lovers
2/6
11% to happen

If we try to lynch scum today and succeed!
2/9
lynch lovers
1/7 with town lovers alive
11% to happen


If we mislynch lovers today
3/7
Lynch lovers correctly tomorrow
2/5
50% to happen

If we lynch lovers
2/7 with town lovers alive
50% to happen


It's clearly better statistically to lynch the lovers.

VOTE COUNT

Nikanor (4): Vino, animorpherv1, Looker, Snow_Bunny
Khamisa (3): Kirbyoshi, Netlava, Yankee
Yankee (3): Khamisa, dramonic, Locke Lamora
Vino (2): Nikanor, Head_Honcho

Not Voting (0)

With 12 Alive, 7 is needed to lynch.
4 Needed to lynch at Deadline.
Don't forget Rules 7-1 and 7-2 at deadline.

The extended deadline is October 24th, sometime in the evening.

I'm installing Windows 7 tonight. Chances are it'll all go fine and I'll be back within hours. Just a pre-warning.

[dramonic]

I would like the people not voting the lovers to explain their reasoning in light of post 500.

[dramonic]

The lovers are a hindrance. I don't know what kind of info you want to extract from their quicktopic, but it will be WIFOMy. The longer we keep them alive, the more doomed the town will be.

[dramonic]

getting killed during the night, sherlock.

[dramonic]

6vs3 is lylo with lovers alive.

[dramonic]

erm, I mean MyLo

[dramonic]

khamisa and yankee are both at L-2, lynch is khamisa right now.

Vino, ani, you're playing agaisnt the vast majority, be nice and pick your lynchee among the lovers.

[dramonic]

Unvote
Vote: Khamisa

Hammered. Now let's see where the treacherous is.

[dramonic]

wait for the hammer scene Yankee.

[dramonic]

honestly Yankee is/was the most unlikely to be treacherous.

[dramonic]

arguably not doing it would be pretty anti-town.

[dramonic]

While I enjoy the homoerotics please keep them to a minimum.

[dramonic]

well, the thing is, you can't lynch a treacherous in LyLo. So either lynch him as early as physically possible, or as the last kill and the game ends with a single townie alive.

[dramonic]

why the long face?

[dramonic]

Someone is trying to attract a lynch...

[dramonic]

Ani

Better have good reason.

[dramonic]

erm, I mean

Vote: Animorpherv1

[dramonic]

I cant find a town reason to falseclaim lover with Khamisa.
However, I can find scum reasons to do so.

[dramonic]

fine by me

[dramonic]

*snort*

Wow, that's a low class accusation.

[dramonic]

...That was bad

[dramonic]

I'm really sceptic about this <_<

[dramonic]

That would arguably be pretty ihilarious.

[dramonic]

Wow... shortest... day 2... ever.

[dramonic]

intersting question.

I'd say we win quickest lynch day 2 without a guilty investigation XD

[dramonic]

Be very wary of Dramonic/lynch him

Well that's cute. Considering I'm the one who pushed the hardest for the lover kill and I participated in both the scum lynches, I must be a really shitty scumbuddy.

[dramonic]

Vote: Netlava

You don't just hammer someone like that.

[dramonic]

I'm going to hold off on voting for now. I find Netlava's hammer suspicious, and I think that everyone on the ani wagon should be scrutinized. Scum would have wanted to take advantage of the situation and prevent any possibility for ani to clear himself before the lynch went through.

dramonic, Kirbyoshi, Vino, Yankee, Head_Honcho, Netlava

Take out the confirmed townies, and you have dramonic, Kirbyoshi, Vino, and Netlava.

It is very likely that two of these four are scum. I'm not going to get into it now, though. If anyone else wants to do that, be my guest.
Netlava, Vino, Kirby, and dramonic are now at the top of my suspicions, in that order.

And Snow_Bunny?

[dramonic]

but she's not confirmed town <<

[dramonic]

thatll teach me to read posts diagonally >_<

[dramonic]

There is such a thing as a too short day, Netlava.

However, I'm going to give you a (small) pass for now and

Unvote
Vote: Snow_Bunny

Because buddying to Nik is awesome. Also because I like his case building and I want to see if the rule of 3 is worth using.

[dramonic]

I think I've made my point of why lovers should be lynched pretty clear on day 1 :S

[dramonic]

If no counterclaim occurs we're in a pretty good situation.

Scum is either me, netlava, kirbyoshi or Vino.

Can we lynch obvscum netlava now?

[dramonic]

I'm a bit sad that Yankee is confirmed town.

@Yankee: What's the deal with my post 657? I said if nobody counterclaim we're in a good position. Someone counterclaimed, doesn't mean it's much worse. We have a 50/50 scum in there, with the other being between me, Netlava and Vino.

Guess where my money would be

[dramonic]

Well, I have no idea why they'd try to kill me n1, but I'm all but confirmed now, so they'll definitely kill me the first chance they get.

That or the two protectionless lovers.

[dramonic]

Both are the same because both are true.

[dramonic]

Allright

Unvote
Vote: Kirbyoshi

VOTE COUNT

Snow_Bunny (3): Netlava, Kirbyoshi, Yankee
Netlava (1): Snow_Bunny
Kirbyoshi (1): dramonic

Not Voting (3): Nikanor, Head_Honcho, Vino

With 8 Alive, 5 is needed to lynch.
3 is needed to lynch at deadline.

[dramonic]

My read of yoiu and SB arent really different, however her useof the doc power seems more logically thought out than yours.

[dramonic]

I can reckon the reasoning behind the first protect, but the second elucidates me. Then again, the lovers are both still alive, which IS slightly unexpected. I dont usually expect scum to listen to me <<

[dramonic]

it was sarcasm.

Oh kirby, you're acting way scummier than SB.

[dramonic]

this isnt a question of valid cases here. If it weren't for the fact this is a CC situation, we'd probably have lynched Netlava already. At this point it's your job to convince us that you're the doc and she's the scum. So far, you're not making a great job.

[dramonic]

lol... you crack me up sometimes Nik.... But seriously, only person left not voting is Vino, and HH is the only person that i know is town that can hammer. I am finding it more suspicious of Dramonic to not vote for Snowbunny. If Snow bunny flips scum, we should be considering Dramonic next. (even if he switches votes after this post, because that would be meaningless, his vote has rested on Kirby long enough for me to get a read of snow's buddy)

Here we have a post about me not voting bunny girl

If no counterclaim occurs we're in a pretty good situation.

Scum is either me, netlava, kirbyoshi or Vino.

Can we lynch obvscum netlava now?

This is the post directly following Snow_Bunny's claim. Notice the lack of unvote.

Here we have a post about me not unvoting bunny girl


Points to whoever can explain why post 2 is supposed to reinforce post 1 XD

[dramonic]

you make me sad, Nik. I expected better of you

[dramonic]

dramonic, your thoughts?

My thought you say?

My thoughts are that I was convinced that Kirbyoshi was a goon and that I wouldn't have tunneled so hard as scum, I'd have gone for the easy lynch.

I'm not the last scum Nik, don't you feel it in your blood?

[dramonic]

why not? Haven't you heard of bussing? It'd be a pretty easy bus too <<

[dramonic]

I could as scum have gotten away with an easy bus, but I didnt because I believed SB.

I could have shut up about how good lynching the lovers as quickly as possible is, but I didn't and look now, we've got a pretty nifty advantage.

Unless you think I'm scum shooting myself in the foot over and over again, your accusation is erroneous.

[dramonic]

Not really, we'd have hammered Snow today and someone else would've been NKed. big deal <_<

[dramonic]

Am totally not. If your "sign" I am scum is because I was on both the wrong wagons then your signs are bad.

[dramonic]

Your book has typoes.

[dramonic]

I support a Netlava lynch.

Vote: Netlava

[dramonic]

Anyway, given a choice between Netlava and Dramonic: Before the lover lynch Netlava firmly said he would prefer to lynch the pair with a scummy person in it, which he was implying to be khamisa and whoever. Dramonic posted "probabilities". There is no alternate course.

vote: Dramonic

What do you have agaisnt statistics?

[dramonic]

Nik is confirmed town. Give me a good reason to go agaisnt confirmed town smart guy.

[dramonic]

No. But mafia failed to shoot him down, so... yeah.

[dramonic]

As if I haven't been pro-netlava lynch for a lenghty amount of the game <_<

[dramonic]

what if Vino is the last scum?

[dramonic]

also 97-98. I'd have gone on, but we got a CC on the doc

VOTE COUNT

dramonic (2): Yankee, Head_Honcho
Netlava (2): Nikanor, dramonic
Vino (1): Netlava

Not Voting (1): Vino

[dramonic]

I reserve the right to change that at any time.

Cute, if you're going to pick someone don't leave yourself such a large trail to run away when I flip town.

[dramonic]

I know, that's not my point.

[dramonic]

But it doesn't answer my arguement.

[dramonic]

BUt I'm not talking about changing your vote -_-

[dramonic]

Epic AtE!

[dramonic]

Even though this post was completely contentless, I've got to stick by the rules.

8. After someone has been lynched, discussion may continue until I can get to the thread and end the day.

If you are dead you may not post

Sorry.
-Mole

[dramonic]

you lynched me you monster. I was supporting you so well too