Porkens wrote:Daykill SpyreX
Interesting.Rosso Carne wrote:kill: VP Baltar
For my part, I'll
Don't wagon. Because this is super handy/interesting.populartajo wrote:Vote: Kise.
Wagon gogogog.
My guess is that you didn't get to choose your target? NoKise wrote: FoS: Milkshake for coming up guilty during my pre-game investigation.
I was just happy with my little role interaction and now I am sad because no cop investigated me.@milk - Now that we know that investigation thing was false, thoughts on what is happening?
I just really don't like this defense. It makes sense, but it is such a slippery slope.Rosso Carne isn't scum. If he were scum, he'd be more careful. I know he can be.
I've also claimed... for all the good it did me....milkshake is not scum, otherwise his buddies would have bus'ed him so hard our heads would spin.
Ok, after some thoughts, I decided to do it. Claim: I'm a miller. I was hesitant to do it, as I have no apparent reason to claim, but I do. I've learned that millers can help investigative roles by providing a "safe" test. And it's better if I claim early on.
It seems legit. :/I'm nothing more than a beggar. Some guy gave me money to give some message to some guard. After that, I was enjoying my new-earned money when the news that The Giver was killed broke out. And it seems, that, somehow, I feel guilty for that (for passing the message).
Yes... me having investigation-related role -> me surprised the kise investigated me -> me asking about kise's investigation because we have a role interaction (I can cure him, he can reinvestigate me).I guess nevermind some on milkshake. Rereading EVERYTHING made the claim resurface she made, which still makes me itchy but.
Right... actually that bears talking about further. I think I understand what you are thinking.Milkshake's logic in 311 is very odd-seems to mimic that given by SB.
Claim:
Musician. I can play music to someone at night. If they like the music, they reach a spiritual state which leaves them unable to do anything, but also protects them. If they don't like the music, they kill themselves over it. So I'm a JK/vig and don't know which when I target someone.
I was totally neutral on KMD until reading this claim. This claim provides great data. It is, as far as I can see, a very bad claim.Vaya, my entire childhood was all about music. I started playing at a young age and most people were impressed. All I want is to share my music. I've just recently realized how strong my music really is.
When kmd realized he should have included that info, he did the smart (but scum) thing of saying "How odd, my role PM doesn't have that."Where were you/what were you doing when the Giver was killed and why did you not mention it when Vaya asked you to claim your flavor?
'Doh . Newbie confusion of role names. Should read:Doc is a classic thing for scum to claim as an emergency measure, yes? The "JK" thing was added in there because kmd knows full well that plain Doc would look fishy.
This one is believable... (Yes, I'm being captain obvious.)I am The Rats. Special type. Self-aligned. My power is the thing that I'm not saying, but will catch the SK. Win condition is that I win when someone (I don't know their alignment) is lynched. If people want me to even say who that is in order to stay alive, I will. They could still be scum, so I don't mind saying who it is.
Not sure why you didn't say this at first. It seems a bit like you are editting your claim. At the same time, it is a believable claim, but that could be because you are working off your real role, but modifying it so that we will keep you alive.Oh and my win condition is just to get Sajin lynched and be on his wagon. If he's NK'd, or if he's lynched without me, I need the SK to die any way possible.
You could hit me because my role name is breadcrumbed and I don't have a very useful role? Maybe someone else has a better idea, though.Give me one night to confirm myself. I can give someone's rolename. I'll hit someone VERY unlikely to be killed by anyone. No one, except maybe the SK, will even want to go out of their way to get me lynched by using their kill that way. If I don't have a rolename tomorrow, I'll accept my lynch tomorrow.
The last quote makes me fairly certain that KMD can indeed find role names and would indeed want to tell the truth to avoid being lynched (even if otherwise he might not be exactly pro-town). So he would give the town a little information. I'm still not totally positive he's being 100% honest about his win condition among other things? But it seems to fit with the flavor he gave us... so I'd believe it for now since he can confirm tomorow.So I can seriously help the town and am confirmable. I have no motivation to lie about my results because I'm dead the minute I'm caught.
I guess because it makes sense this time. And he can't just be using what he learned from his first claim to make a believable second one, because he has to at least tell us some role names to confirm/survive.Why should I believe you this time?
Agreed... Sajin could provide information and possibly confirm KMD in this way. Another thing: A slavedriver doesn't seem too council-aligned. Hmmm.1. Has Sajin confirmed you are telling the truth?
I think he wins if A) He lynches Sajin or B)Both Sajin and the SK die by other means.3. I dont understand your win condition. How can you win if Sajin dies and you are not on the lynch?
How is a Rodent Tamer an SK? He trains his rats to go kill people? I guess it would make sense why you see him, then, since you're a rat...I highly doubt Sajin is the Rodent Tamer. The PM talks specifically about both as if they are two different people. I wouldn't mind lynching Sajin to test it though.[/desperate plea]. It tells me specifically in my power that the SK's rolename is Rodent Tamer.
Investigating Ben on the other hand would not confirm you, yes? Why do you think Ben, of all people, is the Rodent Tamer?I was gonna investigate Ben btw. I think he's the Rodent Tamer.
Uh-oh, I'm a vig target? Why would I be a vig target if I was obvtown? Maybe you don't want to investigate me because investigating meI'm not going after you tonight. You might be a vig target. I don't think I want to say who I'm targeting.
Exactly, and Tajo was the rat tamer, so there you go. No brilliant information really comes of it, unfortunately enough. Unless we can figure out Saijin's alignment based on the fact that kmd wanted him dead (I'm pretty sure we can't)Guys, it explicitly said rats.
For sure.Can we move on from this please?
Why would that be again?Also vote: Scope
I'm afraid I don't understand this very well. I reread stark and KK in ISO and couldn't find any mention of KK in stark's posts and only peripheral mention of stark in KK's posts.Vote: Stark Makes perfect sense with kublai's flip as well as him still being unhelpful plus the previous observations of him.
Maybe it's a dumb idea, but the way in which SB was saying that cops should use her to test their investigations bothered me.
Could it be possible that it's some kind of trap? That she might have some kind of ability that does bad things to people who target her?
Wow, yeah, I'm actually surprised I missed this myself up until now. I'll happily do the SB thing after we hear her explanation.Last night I tried to give my BLACK potion to SB. Yea, thats right, I tried to (I hoped) kill the miller.
Yet, somehow I killed myself.
Anyone having flashbacks to "I am a Musician?" If you're going to claim, why on earth would you call yourself an Alchemist instead of giving us your real role name? I thought we had already been over this...I am an Alchemist. Each night I can give someone one of my myriad of potions (and there's alot of them). Of course they're all nice and colored... but not labeled. So I have no idea what my potions can do (but based on colors I can take somewhat of a guess).
Anyone having flashbacks to "I am a Musician?" If you're going to claim, why on earth would you call yourself an Alchemist instead of giving us your real role name? I thought we had already been over this...
That's not really a disguise...The votes on Spyrex are disguised as disliking his claim
Yeah "something" is... I think he may have claimed miller to get people to take night actions on him so that his ability would do something to them. I'd love to hear SB's explanation.something is up with them two and SB
KMD said his role PM talkign about The Rodent Tamer (SK) and Saijin (who, according to your note, is not Saijin but BM) as if they were different people."Kmd wins with benmage's lynch". [...] if it's true then benmage could be an SK and needs to be lynched immediately.
Then again, if his claim is bogus (as at least Papa Zito and me think it might be, although DGB disagrees vehemently), SpyreX could have done anything. As SerialClergyman says, any number of scenarios could result in the deaths and not-deaths that we have seen so far.if Spyrex actually was scum he would not have tried to kill snow bunny unless he lacks the aformentioned two brain cells
I thought that they were, basically, mutually exclusive. If you believe that Spy gave SB a potion with intent to kill him, you should at least believe the Spy thought SB was scum, and you probably should also believe that SB quite possibly had an ability that "killed" Spy (or possibly turned his potion back on himself.) So why do you think Bunny is town? What about her inciting people to perform actions on her through her miller claim?I believe that both SpyreX and Bunny are town.
We weren't really led to believe that, were we? "An ancient solution was remembered and Jordan gave DeathNote an innocent gift... a hug." (Paraphrasing). Doesn't this sound like Jordan is remembering some crazy suicidal power he knew he had? At the very least, it doesn't say anything about a bomb.let me remind you all that Jordon had nothing but a bomb strapped to himself
It should notI don't see how this should lead me to automatically agree with him, or blame bunny for his death. Really, I find this "Spy targeted bunny and it seems to have backfired, therefore it must be her fault and she is scum" logic to be jumping to conclusions.
Well SpyreX can look at his own body, so I don't think creating explosions is at all out of the question.I find it much more reasonable to assume that then to think that he had the ability to create huge explosions out of nowhere.
Much agreed.Still, I do want Bunny to explain in detail what happened to her last night, so we can maybe get this all figured out.
If you have this role, why did you target SpyreX?Spy, I have a role that interracts with people who have active roles and targetted you last night.
If you are saying that the bussing theory is WIFOM, then A) I'm not attached to that theory, B) If we never go through a single step of WIFOM, scum can play the town like a violin, and C) I've already said that SpyreX and SB are (more or less) mutually exclusive in their scummyness.whatever half-cocked theory you are trying WIFOM.
Except that, if I believed that, then I would also believe SpyreX was lying.if you truly believed that [anything could have happened with regards to SpyreX] they you'd have no reason to lean one way or the other.
Well, yeah, but in my opinion, that's only true if there's really no one else who you have reason to believe is scummy. (This comes partially from my already-stated belief that a miller claim on its own is a null-tell.)No. Killing a claimed miller is a pro-town play even if you are unsure about their alignment.
I admit I am leaning slightly toward that at the moment, but both what happens with SpyreX and what SB says when she finally posts something more complete will affect what I personally think about SB.Also, do you think SB is scum, milkshake?
You don't have this right. I think that according to KMD, The Rodent Tamer is the SK (turns out he is actually town), and Saijin is someone else entirely (turns out that, according to a note from The Scribe, it's actually Benmage not Saijin).If we have any reason to believe Kmd's claim that he had two win conditions, which I think we may now that he has flipped truthfully, then we know that he had two win conditions 1) Lynch Sajin, or failing that 2) Lynch the SK. We know that Benmage is not Sajin, so if the note is true, then Benmage would be the SK.
Well, if we follow the killing-millers-is-town logic, the hypothetical (unlikely) gambit would at least "confirm" SpyreX as town (possibly "sacrificing" Snow_Bunny, who flips scum, confirming SpyreX and also increasing KK's townyness since he advocated SB's lynch).The only other possibility is they are both scum together lying about it going for an odd gambit they hatched together which I think is extraordinarily unlikely.
Well, I agree it's likely that many or most roles follow the -er rule (that's why I proposed it in the first place). So far, all town roles have been -er roles. (The Giver, The Hugger, The Sculptor, The Rodent Tamer vs. The Rats, The Scribe, and (alledgedly) The Alchemist). But it doesn't seem like the sort of thing that would necessarily be true 100% of the time.I am. Until I see this theory disproven (and my role follows this pattern as well) then I'm going to assume it's true.
There was a brief mention of that, but no. I, at least, think that was little we know makes more sense if he's staying alive.That said, Would the people voting spyrex explain if they think he is going to die tomorrow by the flavor? If you think he will die anyways, why would we waste a lynch here?
QFT... well, unless that piece is "I'm a doc now."Withholding a piece of the puzzle is anti-town.
-or is the same thing as -er, silly.PZ: we have no decent proof of the er/other split (and sculptor is town)
Your claim. I think it is bad. I used to be certain... I'm less certain now. Post 1325 would have been OK with me except that is came way after the fact.Just as a favor to me I'd love the voters on me to succinctly put WHY they are because I'm not seeing anything that even pretends to be a case.
An SB wagon would be informative at the least.That's assuming that SB is town, an ever-dimming possibility.
Hm. Mindlessly agreeing with the suggestion that your ability is one-shot perhaps?Yes, I have one-shot active ability
Also, if she DID have a one-shot ability, she could claim it and let the town direct it, and the town would not have to worry about losing a good role, because it is only one shot... and the town definitely is not concerned about losing SB overall. So, by letting the town direct it she would be helping the town/somewhat confirming her townyness. However, by not claiming it, she is saving it for scum use, or, as you say, a track excuse.Looks like SB came up with an excuse just in case she's tracked..