The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)

[Battle Mage]

Duh. So the logical conclusion, if he is NK immune, is that he is scum.

READ THE GAME

Come on

You're smarter than that.

READ THE GAME

You're an experienced player

There is no excuse for you to make that statement if you're town.

Lol, PLEASE.

The way i'm seeing it, you aren't looking objectively at SpyreX. You are setting out with the assumption that he is town, and trying desperately to find a way of proving it to persuade the rest of us. WHY are you defying logic to defend him?

Coz seriously, if you have a genuine reason for thinking SpyreX is town, now is the time to spit it out. If not, stop playing the appeal to emotion card on me.

My vote would be on you right now, if it werent for Milkshake also having role-based information that refutes SpyreX's claim.

BM

[VP Baltar]

Erm, you've lost me. We're trusting KMD's word, WHY?

Well everything else he said other than rodent tamer=SK has been proven true, correct? Are you saying it's not worth considering?

Duh. So the logical conclusion, if he is NK immune, is that he is scum.

No, it's not actually. have you had your coffee this morning?

Unvote, Vote: benmage

I'm starting to believe my note given his shameless bandwagoning for no reason.

[milkshake]

If we have any reason to believe Kmd's claim that he had two win conditions, which I think we may now that he has flipped truthfully, then we know that he had two win conditions 1) Lynch Sajin, or failing that 2) Lynch the SK. We know that Benmage is not Sajin, so if the note is true, then Benmage would be the SK.

You don't have this right. I think that according to KMD, The Rodent Tamer is the SK (turns out he is actually town), and Saijin is someone else entirely (turns out that, according to a note from The Scribe, it's actually Benmage not Saijin).

The only other possibility is they are both scum together lying about it going for an odd gambit they hatched together which I think is extraordinarily unlikely.

Well, if we follow the killing-millers-is-town logic, the hypothetical (unlikely) gambit would at least "confirm" SpyreX as town (possibly "sacrificing" Snow_Bunny, who flips scum, confirming SpyreX and also increasing KK's townyness since he advocated SB's lynch).

[milkshake]

if it werent for Milkshake also having role-based information that refutes SpyreX's claim.

SerialClergyman has this information, not me.

[DrippingGoofball]

I believe the case against Rosso Carne.

Benmage is so scum it hurts.

No way BM would be that dense as town, therefore, he's scum.

Current scumteam:

Rosso Carne
BattleMage
Benmage

[DrippingGoofball]

SnowBunny is taking a long time, because it takes a while to make stuff up. You can tell the truth in a minute, but a good lie takes time.

Town list:

Papa Zito
VP Baltar
Spyrex
SerialClergyman

[VP Baltar]

@milkshake-well regardless of the Rodent Tamer thing, I believe there is probably an SK in this game and I think that kmd was telling the truth about his wincon needing the SK dead. Benmage's play isn't exactly pro-town, so I'm ready to follow through on his lynch.

Care to join me DGB? Spyrex? Volkan?

Don't worry, tubby, I'm not letting you off the hook either.

[DrippingGoofball]

Oh yeah, I forgot about vollkan. He's town.

Town list:

Papa Zito
VP Baltar
Spyrex
SerialClergyman
vollkan

I really would prefer off'ing BattleMage. But Benmage will do.

unvote, vote: Benmage

[Papa Zito]

SpyreX, no one is concerned that your role doesn't end in -er.

I am. Until I see this theory disproven (and my role follows this pattern as well) then I'm going to assume it's true.

Two, SB is lying and can reflect actions against her.

I'm thinking this might be the one. Either SB has something inherent that reflects attacks

or

one of her buddies put that on her, knowing that a townie vig would try to off the claimed miller at night.

Either way, her silence is deafening.

Also, I think the crank on my wagon is broked.

[DrippingGoofball]

Current scumteam:

Rosso Carne
BattleMage
Benmage
SnowBunny

[milkshake]

I am. Until I see this theory disproven (and my role follows this pattern as well) then I'm going to assume it's true.

Well, I agree it's likely that many or most roles follow the -er rule (that's why I proposed it in the first place). So far, all town roles have been -er roles. (The Giver, The Hugger, The Sculptor, The Rodent Tamer vs. The Rats, The Scribe, and (alledgedly) The Alchemist). But it doesn't seem like the sort of thing that would necessarily be true 100% of the time.

[Snow_Bunny]

@Sajin:

Your question doesn't make sense unless its a different way of saying "Did you kill yourself?" Which, of course, the answer is no. Something happened.

And SB playing coy makes me think something is amiss with what I tried to do to them.

So, lets lay this out all properlike:

I am an Alchemist. Each night I can give someone one of my myriad of potions (and there's alot of them). Of course they're all nice and colored... but not labeled. So I have no idea what my potions can do (but based on colors I can take somewhat of a guess).

Last night I tried to give my BLACK potion to SB. Yea, thats right, I tried to (I hoped) kill the miller.

Yet, somehow I killed myself. Which means either SB did some kinda reflexive business or something truly fishy is going on.

Unvote, Vote: Snow_Bunny

I made it pretty clear I did something to SB and the coy act doesn't do any good.

First of all, something did happen to me last night. It wasn't a dead effect, though. Second, are you basing your argument on me just because the color of the potion? I mean, for all you know that potion could have any effect!

Waiting for SnowBunny's COMPLETE and THOROUGH explanation. You have ONE shot, SnowBunny. One shot.

What COMPLETE and THOROUGH explanation? I am a miller, did nothing last night, and at the end of it something happened to me. This means someone did target me during the night, and it was sort of beneficial to me. That's what you wanted to hear? I have no idea what happened to Spy. And I don't know why you expect me to have an idea.

Still reading...

[Snow_Bunny]

SnowBunny is taking a long time, because it takes a while to make stuff up. You can tell the truth in a minute, but a good lie takes time.

I was taking my time because unlike you I do have a real life. I was busy all day long yesterday, and thus was unable to post.

[Benmage]

Unvote, Vote: benmage

I'm starting to believe my note given his shameless bandwagoning for no reason.

Who gave you the note again? Dont really feel like ciphering at the moment...last night was ruff.

[Snow_Bunny]

I am. Until I see this theory disproven (and my role follows this pattern as well) then I'm going to assume it's true.

Well, I agree it's likely that many or most roles follow the -er rule (that's why I proposed it in the first place). So far, all town roles have been -er roles. (The Giver, The Hugger, The Sculptor, The Rodent Tamer vs. The Rats, The Scribe, and (alledgedly) The Alchemist). But it doesn't seem like the sort of thing that would necessarily be true 100% of the time.

Why not? Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is usually the best. So far that seems to be the rule.

I'm not liking Spyrex's actions as of late. First, attacking me based on a roughly assumption that his potion was poison, and second that claim. just don't buy it. And the name, well, it doesn't fit either.

Vote: Spyrex

[DrippingGoofball]

What is the nature of that beneficial thing that happened to you last night, scum?

[Snow_Bunny]

Role-fishing. Scum.

[Papa Zito]

Yeah, you seem to be acting really vague on purpose. No bueno.

[curiouskarmadog]

Official Vote Count (Page 53, Day 2)

Spyrex

-5 (SerialClergyman, milkshake, Battle Mage, Benmage, Snow_Bunny)
stark -2 (KaleiÐoscøpe, Sajin)
Benmage -2(VP Baltar, DrippingGoofball)
tubby216 -1 (LlamaFluff)
KaleiÐoscøpe -1 (Papa Zito)
DrippingGoofball -1 (tubby216)
Snow_Bunny -1 (SpyreX)

Not Voting:

Rosso Carne, Kise, vollkan, dramonic, SocioPath, Vaya, Plum, chamber, stark

Note: Deadline will be at the earliest, 10/30 3:45 PM EST, with 23 whole votes available, it takes 12 to lynch.

[DrippingGoofball]

Role-fishing. Scum.

That's not role-fishing, that's asking you the effect of someone else's role, scum. Someone that has already claimed.

DIE

[Snow_Bunny]

Well, the effect gave me a new ability. Enough said.

[Sajin]

Role-fishing. Scum.

That's not role-fishing, that's asking you the effect of someone else's role, scum. Someone that has already claimed.

DIE

I completely agree. Withholding a piece of the puzzle is anti-town. I dislike your voting of spyrex while witholding information that could confirm his role. What is the new ability?

Spyrex- Assuming the nature of your potion is downright stupid. What flavor justification did you have to assume that?

That said, Would the people voting spyrex explain if they think he is going to die tomorrow by the flavor? If you think he will die anyways, why would we waste a lynch here?

@Stark- Actual scumhunting. I am amazed. I like your points on rosso.

[DrippingGoofball]

If Spyrex gave you an ability, then you know Spyrex is telling the truth, and you know that he was targeted to die by the scum. And yet you vote for him.

I'm not liking your "enough said." These abilities are usually one-shot. So if you're town, which I strongly doubt, it's not like you have to be afraid to be nightkilled on account of a one-shot ability that depends on Spyrex.

[dramonic]

Now, when you guys are done biting each other's head off the use of cold hard logic would be nice.

PZ: we have no decent proof of the er/other split (and sculptor is town)

DGB: There are multiple reasons SB could be against claiming her new ability/whatever. If she's town its WIFOM for the scum.

VP:Following a note likely given by the scum isnt exactly the best idea. Why would KK know these things anyway?

SB: Can you confirm that what happened to you is related to the potion?

More coming when im not typing on a wii...

[milkshake]

That said, Would the people voting spyrex explain if they think he is going to die tomorrow by the flavor? If you think he will die anyways, why would we waste a lynch here?

There was a brief mention of that, but no. I, at least, think that was little we know makes more sense if he's staying alive.

Withholding a piece of the puzzle is anti-town.

QFT... well, unless that piece is "I'm a doc now."

PZ: we have no decent proof of the er/other split (and sculptor is town)

-or is the same thing as -er, silly.