Mafia 93 - A Roccisi Summer - Over!

[Seraphim]

Vote: X

Way too mysterious to be left alive.

[Seraphim]

@Mixologist

Any reason you voted me?

@Alvinz

Same question. Why skitzer?

[Seraphim]

@Mixologist

Any reason you voted me?

If you're looking for a reason, you're not going to get one other than you posted first.

Hmmm...why didn't you post that reason in your original random vote?

Hi guys. I am a alt. Feel free to start the guessing game

Hmmm. This post sucks. Congrats. You fail the random voting stage.

Unvote
Vote: OGB

[Seraphim]

Unvote; Vote: Mixologist

Why are people voting me?

Because you refused to take a stance during the random voting stage and claimed to be an alt instead. It's clear you're an alt(probably a zwet alt) even without the claim.

[Seraphim]

Oh, hi rofl!

[Seraphim]

No, OGB isn't a DGB alt. That I'm almost sure off.

[Seraphim]

DGB and OGB posted at the exact same time in two different games. I'm almost positive they are not the same person.

[Seraphim]

So, anyway, back to scumhunting...

Rofl, what do you think of Mix's backpedalling regarding his random vote?

[Seraphim]

I'm not a zwet alt.

No, discussion of this is over. Mix probably isn't scum but you are. No one cares anymore.

[Seraphim]

I'm not a zwet alt.

you're also not doing anything that remotely resembles scumhunting.

is it to early to call active lurking?

Unfortunately, yes.

[Seraphim]

Oh. OGB isn't DGB?

I failed.

Never mind. Off that subject. rofl was right.

Caboose, who do you think is scum?

[Seraphim]

Korts: Of course the argument is bullshit. The question was intentionally loaded to provoke reactions. Plus, if I actually thought that the "backtracking" was scummy, I would have placed my vote there.

OGB still has yet to post anything of note besides fueling alt speculation which is useless which is why my vote is there.

rofl is probably town.

Caboose, please explain. If it's not a policy vote, what is it?

[Seraphim]

Ah, but is it true suspicion or scummy faked suspicion/outrage? There's a difference and that's what I'm aiming for. Useless now, of course. But at this point in the game, it's all about reactions. These early game impressions are important and I want to take full advantage of them.

The purpose of the comment was simply restating the case against OGB.

[Seraphim]

I'm not blaming the town at all. The foiling of the trap was of my own making.

[Seraphim]

i'm unconvinced on the seraphim-as-scum thing, but i like where charter's head is at

Oh, the irony.

[Seraphim]

well I would like to make a claim that I am here

...what?

[Seraphim]

Claim: Jack-of-All-Trades

Wow. This is the most retarded thing ever. Seriously dude?

Unvote
Vote: Mufasa

[Seraphim]

Can we see exhibits 1 through 3, please?

Also, Mufasa, right back at you...why claim so early?

[Seraphim]

I tell you now so we can work together to save the right people and block the right people at night. aye

So, rather than using your own personal judgement on abilities and such, you would rather have the town and possibly scum coordinate your night actions for you?

[Seraphim]

Exhibit 1: When did I ever present or claim that point as my own?
Exhibit 2: Under certain conditions, this could be considered backpedalling.
Exhibit 3: I can pad my posts with as much shit as I want. It's not a scumtell, unfortunately. Ever play with Mastin before?

I want better answers from Mufasa and then I might consider unvoting. It's not really the claim, it's the tone he's making them in which smells of scum to me.

[Seraphim]

Not that post. These posts.

Now why would you lynch me? I am a useful asset to the town.

I tell you now so we can work together to save the right people and block the right people at night. aye

How can I be scum where my role only wins when all threats to the town are eliminated?

Exhibit 1: When you voted OGB, you did not imply or claim the point was made by someone else other than you. Neither did rofl. No one said "Yeah, I agree with player X, that's a good case!".

Exhibit 2: If I hadn't screwed myself over, his reactions might have been interesting. Who are you to say that the conditions don't apply here?

Exhibit 3: Please give one example of having one post with useless shit in it being a a scumtell. I'm sorry, but I still don't believe you.

[Seraphim]

Oho. I like iamusername's catch there. I love my vote even more now.

[Seraphim]

Shit. I forgot about that.

[Seraphim]

*shakes head*

I disagree. Assume makes an ass out of you and me.

[Seraphim]

Exhibit 2: If I hadn't screwed myself over, his reactions might have been interesting. Who are you to say that the conditions don't apply here?

You haven't stated what conditions you are talking about; I don't see any scenario where what Mix did could be justifiably called backtracking; therefore those conditions that according to you exist, they do not apply here.

It would depend on the answer to my second question concerning why he didn't post that reason in his random vote. If he had tried to give it any other reason besides I had posted first and had seen my post, yes, it would have been backtracking.

Exhibit 3: that is not the point. the point is that you specifically reiterated a case that you made just 14 minutes before--the motivation in that is probably overeager scum.

I will admit that I'm overeager, just not scum. It's probably my downfall in this game.

[Seraphim]

I would also like to note that I don't like the way Seraphim joined the OGB wagon, which existed because OGB was trying to turn the game into "guess the alt" instead of mafia, but then proceeded to make several posts guessing who OGB is an alt of.

It was not "guessing". It was attempting shut down the discussion while...

Eh, never mind, I'm not even going to bother.

[Seraphim]

On second thought, it's plausible for a player to claim the most fitting rolename as a "catchy name" instead of list of actions.

unvote, vote: Seraphim

And people wonder why I usually lurk through day 1's...

[Seraphim]

One word: roleblocker. There are so many flaws in your plan that I don't even want to talk about it.

Mufasa is either dumb scum or really dumb town.

[Seraphim]

No, you don't get it. Your plan calls for every protective role in the game to protect you so you don't get roleblocked protecting yourself. You have created the hugest maelstrom of WIFOM ever for the doctors. The scum don't HAVE to NK you especially since you claimed you don't have a vig. Following that logic, the doctors will try to save someone else...but following that logic, what if the scum roleblock and kill you?

Even if you could protect yourself, all you have done is made it easier for scum to confuse the town. and direct the night actions for tonight. Way to go.

[Seraphim]

Also, you are not able to protect yourself if you really do have the doctor ability.

[Seraphim]

But using that sense, it could make a lot of sense for you to be using this information to confuse the town by yourself and cause doubt.

I'm not creating doubt. I'm pointing out the doubt you have created on your own by claiming. Also, please address the doctor issue. According to the post detailing abilities, you CANNOT protect yourself.

[Seraphim]

rofl: I dunno, rofl. You haven't seen Mufasa's past play. I've certainly been weighing whether or not he's town in my head.

OGB: Who do you think is scum? Instead of posting one-liners defending yourself sorta, please scumhunt.

inHimshallIbe: I'm sorry but your first post reads scum to me...placing your vote on someone in no danger of being lynched while you catch up so that you seem like you're doing something is very scummy. Please explain your case against Caboose in more detail.

Unvote

Don't like the speed of this wagon at all. Mufasa is definitely still my #1 suspect but pressuring him with votes isn't going to do any good.

FoS: ekiM

urm, no. I don't want him to claim any more abilities. It's pretty clear what abilities he has claimed if you read into his posts. If he really is a JoAT, he's a fairly useless one now. Don't try to make him ever more useless.

Mix: I wasn't fishing for a reason to vote you(I could do a lot better job than that). I was fishing for a reaction to my obvious anti-town behavior.

[Seraphim]

Seraphim - If it's pretty clear what his abilities are, how is it suspicious to ask him to restate what he has already said for clarity? How would that make him more useless?

Scum might have not figured it out. Or, maybe I'm lying and he hasn't posted them somewhere. But clarifying things for town right now is just as good as clarifying it for the scum. We're directing his doctor ability whether or not we like it. No need to give the scum more info than they need to know.

Why are you unvoting your main suspect? How is pressuring your main suspect with 5 votes a bad thing?

It's more than five votes now, I'm sure. And pressure isn't going to help in this situation as it is. Pressure doesn't help when deciding whether or not to lynch someone...pressure is getting someone to claim or getting them to post content. If you can demonstrate a need for pressure on Mufasa at this time, point it out and I will place my vote back in his direction.

And what kind of tactic is making yourself look intentionally scummy? Seriously.

A tactic that has worked in the past and continues to work wonders. The early pressure is worth the reads I can get. I can be very, very deadly in LYOL if I can get my early game reads.

[Seraphim]

obviously if mufasa is not really a jack of all trades, the scum will not kill him. and we can lynch him at our leisure in a day or two if that is the case. if he

is

really a jack of all trades, he has a list of very useful abilities which are dangerous to the scum, and the scum are given a choice of either killing him, or risking leaving him alive to try and secure a mislynch on a later day, thus leaving themselves open to his doc protect, roleblock, and whatever else he's got up his jack of all sleeve.

lynching him today is just stupid.

I find myself agreeing with rofl on how to deal with Mufasa for now. However, I'm definitely going to keep watching him to ensure he doesn't slip under the radar.

Why apologize for a read on alignment? Are you shyly bussing?

I apologize for being polite to someone I have a weak scum read on after one post. I will try to be more of a dick in the future.

Vote: skitzer

Thanks for unmasking the scum, rofl. The posts reads like scum jumping opportunistically on a bandwagon and then forced into a corner later by attacks.

Quote tag fixed.

[Seraphim]

Caboose: What do you think of the newly found inconsistency in Mufasa's claim?

Mufasa: I think you are lying. You have now lied about your role...since when is Jailkeeper part of the classic JoAT?

[Seraphim]

No, earlier, he claimed he had all the abilties in the meta of a JoAT besides the vig. He does not have the cop which means he has lied.

[Seraphim]

This is true.

But, as Seraphim should know, I'm not a really big fan of LAL, though it's hard to rationalize why a pro-town player would lie in this situation.

It's also really hard to rationalize why scum would lie in this situation.

Fine, I might be up for a Mufasa lynch, but first, alvinz wagon.

The problem isn't that he lied, though that is a big part of it. The worst part is how his abilities are now almost impossible to prove. He can't get any sort of investigations, he can only roleblock and protect.

This is very convent. Too convenient.

[Seraphim]

Once again, people fail to get an accurate read of my play. This is my town play, unfortunately.

charter, I have a difficult time defending against your attacks if you don't give me anything to defend against. Korts has given a case on why he thinks I'm scum, a case I can defend. You cannot say the same.

[Seraphim]

EkiM: I wasn't worried. Mufasa was going to have no lack of votes sO I decided to pressure another player instead who is another lead of possible scum. Why are so intent on seeing Mufasa lynched so early in the game?

Sorry mang, pretty sure that early game reads aren't worth a bucket of spit compared to what comes later. As town, drawing suspicion to yourself by acting anti-town way outweighs the benefit of the reads you get in response. You make yourself a suspect when you shouldn't be, and distract townies from the real bad guys. Not. Worth it.

Says you. This is how I play as town. Later in the game, you'll see how dangerous I can be.

Mufasa:

I didn't realize that the example pm had a cop in it, not a roleblocker.

I claim bullshit. You said the meta for JoAT was your role minus vig...you're backpedalling. And your OMGUS vote isn't helping anything.

IAUN: Placing on a vote on someone just to vote them without any sort of back-up case while you read the thread is simply trying to appear town while watching the game and weighing your chances. I find that scum do it quite a bit. I am definitely watching him.

InHimshallibe: Wow. Just wow. I'll get to you in just a sec.

HR: Thanks for defending me, but I can assure you, I'm fine. Korts's case on me isn't complete and utter bullshit but I feel that his vote could be used better elsewhere.

X: Questioning random votes ends the random stage and gets discussion flowing. It's like self-voting or OMGUS in the random voting stage except discussion can sometimes be relevant.

Alright, inHimshallibe. In your last two posts, you have demonstrated extreme scumminess. Your first post set off some alarm bells as you put your vote on Caboose who had no wagon on him because of doublespeak(what?) and reactions to Mufasa. You are never questioned on this except by me who mentions it in passing as scummy behavior.

Then, second post.

I actually thought he had more than 0 votes at the time I voted. I much prefer a wagon. I have no more detail.

So you though you were wagoning a player who you vote because of tells you can't elaborate on?

What is there to pressure Mufasa about anyway?

Urm...that's why I unvoted. Kneejerk reaction was to vote him but that doesn't do anything. If we lynch him, it will be at the end of the day when all avenues of discussion are finished. Voting him serves no purpose as he doesn't need pressure.

I still want to hear more from skitzer, otherwise my vote would definitely land on you.

Players who I have a scum read on:
OGB
Mufasa
skitzer
inHimshallibe

Hi tubby!

[Seraphim]

Mufasa, I thought you said the reason that you claimed was so we could direct night actions. Why do you continue to backpedal?

[Seraphim]

1. Caboose is town, and a 'tard at the same time.

Thanks.

He's trying to stay under the radar, the best scumtell in all of mafiascum,

Well, he failed at that.

Still keeping my vote, and encouraging more.

Epic fail at scumhunting.

Before you insult people, perhaps you could try scumhunting yourself? Seeing as, you know, your few posts only outline people as stupid, not scum. Now that you've outed the stupid people, maybe you can out the scum too?

[Seraphim]

Mod: Note my sig.

[Seraphim]

Unvote

Vote: inHimshallibe

He's so scum, it hurts. If I had more time, I'd post more but I have to get ready to leave...later!

[Seraphim]

Whoa. Well, I'm back. Looks like there are definitely two Mafia teams now. I am a little more hesitant to lynch Mufasa now...but I definitely want to see the "reads" he supposedly got yesterday. Also, what ability he used and who he used it on, please.

Alvinz and darkdude, I think, are two players who need to start scum hunting.

Vote: darkdude

All you've done is defend OGB(who is now scum) and defend Mufasa. This makes me think that a Russian Mafia of:
OGB
Mufasa
darkdude

is highly likely. We can get to alvinz later.

[Seraphim]

I roleblocked Korts on night one.
Strangely enough I agree with tubby's list of suspicious characters. Everyone should take a good look at them

Why? Why are these players suspicious?

[Seraphim]

Oi, rofl, what about darkdude?

[Seraphim]

I played a newbie with him. He was very aggressive as town and constantly switched his votes around as an IC. He was trying a lot harder to scum hunt.

[Seraphim]

I come back from vacation and not only find out that OGB flipped scum but that two other scum were killed in the night. Please tell me under what circumstances that does not warrant a "whoa".

[Seraphim]

I'll try to organize this post because there's a lot I want to address.

Concerning Mufasa:

Given the flips and Korts confirming Mufasa's roleblock, I am willing to back off Mufasa until he has used all his abilities. There are other, scummier players out there and lynching them should be our first priority, but let me make myself clear: I DO NOT want Mufasa alive during LYOL. At all. Period. End of story. I could care less if you disagree but Mufasa's "reads" have been useless and shitty.

The Bandwagon on Me:

Five people have voted for me in a relatively short period of time. Warning bells are flashing in my head. Allow me to split the votes on me into Good Votes and Bullshit Votes.

Good Votes:
Rofl - has laid out a case against me being linked to ThAdmiral...I'll get to debunking this case later in this post.

Korts - You don't give up, do you? Rather than saying that everything I say is scummy, why not actually post a case? Are all my posts scummy? Why? Please, enlighten me.

Bullshit Votes:

Tajo - Reasoning, please, even if it's "I agree with rofl".

Starbuck - I need to reread you as there is some agreement that you are scummy. But I don't like your vote on me either.

Mufasa - If Korts is a member of the Italian Mafia, why is he confirming your claim of being roleblocked last night? And if you're so sure he's Italian(Why, btw?), why are you voting me? Why do I need pressure?

Roflcopter's case:

Most of your case consists solely of ThAdmiral making mentions to me. However, up until now, I don't think I've ever mentioned Admiral in ANY of my posts. ThAd was most likely, like you say in regards to darkdude, laying groundwork for future mislynches.

Also, you seem to be missing something rather obvious...the OTHER member of the Italian Mafia killed last night. You say it looks like distancing, but I have been attacking him since he started posting. If he hadn't died last night, I would been voting for him today.

Your entire case provides absolutely no real proof that I am scum. All your evidence is circumstantial and hinges on the fact that I am Italian Mafia. What if I'm Russian Mafia? What if I'm town? What if I'm an SK?

As for buddying up, yes, in larger games, I do have a tendency to buddy up with players I have a town read on and feel are experienced, both of which I feel from you. I did this in WIH. You know that.

I feel like partially claiming...

So, I will. I am a member of the Lower Roccisi Neighborhood. My neighbor doesn't need to claim and confirm me if he doesn't want to out himself. Discuss.

[Seraphim]

Most of your case consists solely of ThAdmiral making mentions to me. However, up until now, I don't think I've ever mentioned Admiral in ANY of my posts. ThAd was most likely, like you say in regards to darkdude, laying groundwork for future mislynches.

If you're using this to defend yourself shouldn't you take your vote off me?

No. I'm saying that ThAd was trying to get you mislynched and I'm accusing you of being a member of another Mafia team.

And why did you feel like claiming?

I felt there was adequate pressure on me to claim part of my role.

Um, what good does claiming Neighbor do? IHSIB was a Neighbor and scum.

Because I find it extremely unlikely that two of these groups exist. I knew when I received the neighbor role that there was most likely going to be a scum mason group. I seriously doubt there would be two which is why I'm fairly sure my partner is town. Hopefully, my partner will come to the same conclusion.

[Seraphim]

I think it's highly unlikely that

A. That there is a scum in each claimed neighbor group
B. That both of those are scum from one Mafia group

You've already stated that I'm not from the Russian Mafia. If you don't believe I'm actually from the Upper Roccisi Neighborhood and that I'm lying, fine, then it's absolutely possible that I'm scum. But the entire axis of the case rests on the fact that I'm Italian Mafia and from a set-up perspective, that's highly, highly unlikely.

Logically, there will be at least one Russian Mafia who is also part of a separate group.

But wait. I thought I was a member of the Italian Mafia! Seriously.

Unvote

I think I agree that darkdude looks more like inept town than scum right now.

[Seraphim]

If I was OGB's scum buddy, why would I have voted for him?


I said earlier, I really didn't care if OGB or Mufasa were voted off because neither of them were adding anything useful at all to our scum hunt.

Distancing.

I think we caught newb scum.

Vote: Starbuck

[Seraphim]

If I was OGB's scum buddy, why would I have voted for him?


I said earlier, I really didn't care if OGB or Mufasa were voted off because neither of them were adding anything useful at all to our scum hunt.

Distancing.

I think we caught newb scum.

Vote: Starbuck

Think what you may, but the write up will show exactly what I am and where I am aligned.

So if you want to waste a lynch on me and not on a scum, go ahead, but I think we have scum to fry rather than our own townies.

So you can't defend your actions any more than that? Why should we believe you are town?

[Seraphim]

Bolding properly is tech

Unvote, Vote: Seraphim

So, absolutely no comment on my defense? What exactly is your reasoning for voting me?

[Seraphim]

I look forward to tonight. I'll answer the accusations against me tomorrow or later today. I just want to say that Caboose is most likely telling the truth.

[Seraphim]

Also, roflcopter was obviously a scum kill. I'm suspicious of Seraphim first and foremost for this.

Can I ask why?

Seraphim! Still scummy! Why did you think claiming that you're in a neighborhood helps you out? What did you say to your neighbors last night? Did you reach an agreement on whether they would claim or not? What's going on, basically.

Why did I claim? It decreased the probability of me being scum. Alvinz's flip decreased that chance again, barring the existence of a third scum group. Four people were killed last night which seems to indicate a fourth possible killing group, more than likely a one-shot given the previous night's two kills.

Do you think that my inclusion into the Lower Neighborhood makes more or less likely to be scum given the two flips in the Upper Roccisi Neighborhoods?

We talked about Caboose's information and my behavior yesterday. We also talked about my abilities.

We did not talk about claiming because I only claimed to save my ass. There was no need to talk about dragging the rest of them into it.

ekiM, what advantage would there be in my neighbors claiming?

---

My current suspects are Darkdude and ekiM. No, Mike, this isn't OMGUS, I do have reasons to suspect you beyond what Korts has pointed out. I think you may have slipped. But of course, let's hear what Caboose has to say.

[Seraphim]

Vote: darkdude

That last post gave me no reason to believe Darkdude is town.

Caboose, who do you plan on investigating tonight?

[Seraphim]

My current suspects are Darkdude and ekiM. No, Mike, this isn't OMGUS, I do have reasons to suspect you beyond what Korts has pointed out. I think you may have slipped. But of course, let's hear what Caboose has to say.

If it's not OMGUS then you should have some reasons to give.

I did somewhat hint at them. Mostly, it's just a meta read after watching you play two games as scum as your mod. You seem to be playing similarly here.

Four people were killed last night which seems to indicate a fourth possible killing group, more than likely a one-shot given the previous night's two kills.

This makes no sense to me. There were two kills N1 and four kills N2. So you think the most likely explanation is four killing groups, two of whom screwed up or declined to kill on N1? Why?

No. That's what I'm saying. I said one of them was most likely one-shot and the other got screwed up, clearly. inHim looks like a vig kill but ThAdmiral is probably the Russian kill. Where's the Italian kill? Most likely blocked.

Do you think that my inclusion into the Lower Neighborhood makes more or less likely to be scum given the two flips in the Upper Roccisi Neighborhoods?

No.

Answer my damn question. It's not a yes or no question.

We did not talk about claiming because I only claimed to save my ass. There was no need to talk about dragging

the rest of them

into it.

ekiM, what advantage would there be in

my neighbors

claiming?

I knew when I received the neighbor role that there was most likely going to be a scum mason group. I seriously doubt there would be two which is why I'm fairly sure

my partner

is town. Hopefully,

my partner

will come to the same conclusion.

Do I spy an inconsistency? I think I do!

unvote; Vote: Seraphim

Dammit. Fine. I only have one neighbor. Congratulations. Since I gave out this information, I might as well say that the Upper Roccisi Neighborhood probably only had two members as well.

My current suspects are Darkdude and ekiM. No, Mike, this isn't OMGUS, I do have reasons to suspect you beyond what Korts has pointed out. I think you may have slipped.

If you suspect me for reasons other than OMGUS, why haven't you given them?

Why did you quote this post twice?

I think I agree that darkdude looks more like inept town than scum right now.

What changed here?

Alvinz flipped scum and DD tried to make himself look more pro-town by unvoting him at the end which is odd because Alvinz flipped scum...hmmm...this doesn't make any sense now that I think about it.

Unvote

Caboose, who do you plan on investigating tonight?

Seraphim, what is the pro-town motivation for trying to make that information public?

I want to know if he plans on investigating me tonight. He may or may not get a guilty depending on what investigative role he actually has.

[Seraphim]

Actually, never mind.

Vote: darkdude

It's very difficult to decide whether or not darkdude is scum but I almost fell for the huge, steaming pile of WIFOM that he gave us in his last post.

[Seraphim]

If he is a normal Cop, then he will get an innocent result.

If he is a Gunsmith, he will receive a guilty result.

I do not claim responsibility for any of the kills made so far in this game.

That's all I will say.

[Seraphim]

I'm sure I'm in a neighborhood. My neighbor/partner/whatever is able to talk to me. I suppose I wasn't thinking.

And, haha. I just caught you. I can see through your bullshit and see your true intention. You're trying to out my partner. Why? Because you're scum?

[Seraphim]

I am fairly sure that the scum aren't stupid enough to kill me, killing role or no.

And if they are, more power to them. Haha.

[Seraphim]

Please look at the roles. There is no framer ability.

Do you want to throw any more bullshit accusations my way?

[Seraphim]

I have a gun, alright? I just can't use it yet. If Caboose is a gunsmith(which is still possible), then I will come up guilty. This is the sole reason I wanted to know who he was targeting. I suppose I didn't need to know who he was targeting and should've simply made the statement.

[Seraphim]

There actually was a multitasker, under passive abilities. Not that that excuses Seraphim's actions though. Also, MILLERS DON'T CARRY GUNS. It's not rocket science.

Then what the fuck is skitzer? Skitzer was a bloody miller compulsive vig. skitz would have come up guilty no matter what Caboose's actual investigative role is.

Let me state this one more time for the record.

1. I AM NOT A MILLER.
2. YES, I HAVE A GUN.
3. I WILL NOT STATE THE CONDITIONS FOR WISH I CAN USE THE GUN AT THIS TIME.
4. I WILL NOT STATE HOW MANY SHOTS THIS GUN HAS AT THIS TIME.
5. I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OF THE KILLS SO FAR.
6. I AM A NEIGHBOR WITH AN UNNAMED PLAYER IN THE LOWER ROCISSI NEIGHBORHOOD.
7. I WILL NOT NAME MY NEIGHBOR AT THIS TIME.

Caboose, why are you voting me?

I have a sinking feeling I'm going to lynched today. *sigh*

[Seraphim]

You are the people who keep wanting to lynch me. I've been trying to a play a goddamn pro-town game, I've been trying to scum hunt and almost immediately I fall under scrutiny. Every fucking day there has been a group of players calling for my lynch.

And you expect me to play perfectly? What sort of fucking expectation is that? I'm trying to save my ass and expect me to play perfectly?

If it didn't not play to my win condition and darkdude wasn't such obvious gambiting scum, I would self-vote right now. Maybe once I'm dead, you'll listen to me.

[Seraphim]

I believe Seraphim's claim.

Oh, the irony.

[Seraphim]

Spyre: That depends. However, unless something radically changes, I will not be able to use my kill.

I will talk to my neighbor and I'll see what my neighbor thinks if I'm still alive after today.

[Seraphim]

Hmmm. If I get closer to lynch range, I'll pull out another reason keeping me alive might be a good idea.

[Seraphim]

Hmmm. If I get closer to lynch range, I'll pull out another reason keeping me alive might be a good idea.

I think I'd rather just hear this reason now.

I promise that if I don't have to full claim today, I will claim my entire role and possibly my neighbor tomorrow.

[Seraphim]

Hmm. Yeah. I confirm this. He's my neighbor.

Back on that, I thought Korts was a good vote because he had outlined some reasons he had thought I was scummy early on the game. I was pissed at him because he hadn't updated that list and still continued to keep my vote on me.

I'm not claiming the rest of my abilities.

[Seraphim]

I'm extremely insulted. I'm not as idiotic as this game would seem to indicate.

[Seraphim]

Point taken. It's just my intelligence has been questioned several times during this game. Don't question my intelligence. Question my sanity. Then my play makes sense. Kinda. Mostly.

[Seraphim]

does that last exchange seem weird to anyone else? please review posts 585 through 590,,

How is it weird?

[Seraphim]

I won't push who Caboose is investigating anymore. That was a mistake that stemmed from my being unsure of whether or not Caboose was a cop or a gunsmith.

Korts: I am basing this sneaking suspicion of his play as scum. I have not had the opportunity to see his town play which is why I'm not voting for him unless I find something more concrete.

Also, what do you think of Tajo?

charter: I'll get working on that paraphrasing.

[Seraphim]

Tajo, Darkdude has already claimed Vanilla.

The case boils to:
1. Darkdude hasn't scumhunted at all.
2. What he has done is defended two confirmed Russian scum.
3. He made a really, really post a couple pages back where he admitted he defended Alvinz to make himself look more town...

[Seraphim]

I think that out of the remaining players, Darkdude, HR, and ekiM are most likely to be scum, in that order.

There's a chance tajo and Lowell, as lurkers, are scum but tajo seems his usual town self.

I think HR is Russian and either DD or Mike are the last Italian.

Mod: I will be V/LA from tomorrow until next Saturday, Sunday-ish.

[Seraphim]

I need a good reread of this game as I've been out of Mafia and thinking about other things lately...

I still think ekiM and HR are the last scum. iamusername was a surprise flip but doesn't really give me pause.

[Seraphim]

Mod: I will be V/LA until Monday

[Seraphim]

Hey.

My inactivity has been mostly due to my new computer...for some reason, though it has internet, I cannot log onto Mafiascum from it. I can view the site but it will not keep me logged on. Expect a reread/analysis/etc later when I get this fixed.

[Seraphim]

Alright, I fixed my computer. Rereading...

[Seraphim]

...*cough*

Which neighborhood? Are you guys the Middle Roccisi Neighborhood or what?

[Seraphim]

Hmm. I've been rereading and really don't know what to think. I was sure of my reads but that was before IAUN flipped scum which threw me for a flip. That being said, I do not like the Lowell lynch...but I don't like any of the other lynches either. It's all gut but none of the players seem scummy to me.

Caboose is a possibility but I think we can squeeze one more investigation out of him.

I think I'd be down with a charter or a ekiM lynch. I like Spyre's case on him...ekiM, it's really just a gut read. Sorry I don't have more than that.

[Seraphim]

Actually, thinking about it, if there's no support for a ekiM lynch, I say we lynch Charter. Confirming that neighbor claim, especially one that smells so bad, should be a priority.

Vote: charter

[Seraphim]

Haha, that's not completely true, charter. I was right with inHim, OGB, and alvinz. Lowell may have confirmed it but it's not he's got the cleanest slate either.

Unvote

Gaaaagh...do I need to reread again?

[Seraphim]

Vote: tajo

What this game needs a lynch, and then a mass-claim tomorrow. I think there's a high likelyhood of breaking this game wide open but we need a lynch today, preferably a scum one.

[Seraphim]

I think you are the player I have the most likely scum read. Right now, in my mind, you are most likely to be scum with ThAd and inHim.

[Seraphim]

Hmph. It's accurate. At least, it was the last time I read it.

[Seraphim]

I don't know if I want to call bull or not. Hmm.

Unvote

[Seraphim]

If we assume game symmetry, at least one of Charter/Lowell is scum.

Right now, I'm more inclined to vote Lowell...if it comes to deadline, I'll vote for Lowell.

[Seraphim]

So he could be the cop? I dunno. That's a great question for tajo, not me.

Because game symmetry is supposedly something TDC likes? I remember that being mentioned somewhere in the thread.

[Seraphim]

Just because one part of the game isn't symmetrical doesn't mean the rest of the game isn't too...

[Seraphim]

2 scum neighborhood
2 town neighborhood

Would it make sense for a 1 town/1 scum neighborhood?

It's not completely based on policy, charter. I think cases have been stated for a lynch for both of you.

[Seraphim]

THe only part of my claim that I have not posted is the fact that I am night-kill immune. Otherwise, I am a member of the Lower Roccisi Neighborhood and have a shared kill with my partner, X.

[Seraphim]

Hey it looks like we got a deadline extension. I definitely want to hear from Kison though. Kison has already claimed but also want to hear from ekiM and X who have not posted in a while. They need to claim, ASAP.

Unless they're scum or something and are working out falseclaims.

[Seraphim]

Unvote
Vote: SpyreX

[Seraphim]

Wow, you haven't been paying attention. We massclaimed partly yesterday.

BTW, just in case you guys didn't catch it, I'm NK-immune...

[Seraphim]

After deep thought, I'm going to wait until he claims, but...

With all this, it think it's fairly clear who the last scum is: ekiM. Unless, of course, Tajo/HR is a Godfather which I find highly unlikely.

There is the remote possibility that X is scum. He did not post in our quicktopic last night which is very odd. To the best of my knowledge, he is not NK-immune. He has claimed zero abilities besides our shared kill.

Mod: Could we get a prod on X and ekiM?

[Seraphim]

I don't think I was ever investigated.

[Seraphim]

I have claimed Lower Roccisi with a shared kill between me and my neighbor, X. I am also NK-immune.

[Seraphim]

Yo, I'm back. Sorry for not posting my V/LA status in the topic. It was highly unexpected and I was barely able to post in the topic.

I'm back and am working on a reread. A quick skim and I really think that Lowell is my number one suspect, followed by ekiM...but then again, I haven't read his posts in detail.

[Seraphim]

Also, can we notice how sera comes back after disappearing, only to casually drop the gem that the leading vote getter is his first choice for lynch, and the second vote-getter is his second choice?

Wow. This post alone is grounds for voting you in my opinion. If it's true that you are indeed the main suspect for today with the leading number of votes, how extremely easy it must be for you to redirect like nuts onto the guy who has been camping for the last week and has only returned yesterday? I skimmed the posts and this was the vibe I got. When I have time for a more detailed read, expect that then.

[Seraphim]

Seraphim: Did you inform X of your NK immunity before N0 was over? If not, when did you tell him? We might be able to account for a lost kill depending on your answer--we had a surprising lack of kills on N0 in retrospect.

No. I told him...hold on, lemme drag up the quicktopic.

Yeah, X is right. I was trying to draw the NK if X was scum.

So, I have a proposition. I have been harboring a secret suspicion that X may be scum. Even if he's not, there is quite a lot of suspicion around him because I'm NK-immune, therefore not clearing him in the entire shared vig deal.

I am proposing that we lynch X today, opening up a vig kill for me. I vig one the following:

-charter
-ekiM
-Lowell

Kison will investigate whoever the hell he wants, preferably not a player who has been investigated already or me(unless he really wants to).

This will hopefully leave us in a good position tomorrow to find the remaining scum.

[Seraphim]

@ekiM

We share a one-shot vig kill. Otherwise, I would have suggested this a long time ago.

[Seraphim]

Oversight. Anything related to role abilities was removed from that paraphrase. I'm guessing that when I told him about my NK-immunity, that was removed from the paraphrase as well.

I have claimed Lower Roccisi with

a shared kill

between me and my neighbor, X.

On second thought, this could be interepted as a single kill.

I won't vote X until the day of the deadline. I want to hear from everyone, especially Lowell and Charter, on my plan before deadline.

[Seraphim]

I killed Lowell. I still was pretty sure that charter was more likely to be town and I wasn't 100% of my read of ekiM. Lowell was probably going to be today's lynch anyway.

I was completely surprised by the X flip. I was sorta expecting scum but definitely not SK. Oh well.

Given that we have six players left and only one probable killing role left, I am considering a no lynch today to narrow down the suspect pool.

[Seraphim]

I don't know about no lynching. I think we need to wait for Kison first, because with three results, then we can pretty much kill everyone that doesn't have a not guilty.

I suppose we wait and hope that he didn't investigate Lowell.

[Seraphim]

We

could

no-lynch. I don't want four people in LYOL tomorrow.

[Seraphim]

Yeah, that too.

There is something that still bugs me intensely.

Why the hell do scum think that its a good idea to let Kison alive and keep confirming people?

I know which is why I want to no-lynch. I'm thinking that we should let Kison get one more investigation, if he's still alive tomorrow.

Seraphim
Kison
Tajo
HR
ekiM
charter

If we no-lynch, the scum will kill someone who is not me. Feel free to investigate me, BTW, to set yourself at rest. That leaves five players and we can take it from there. We are dealing with at least two confirmed town besides myself tomorrow...whoever Kison investigates and one of HR/tajo or both of them if they kill Kison or his investigation target. That leaves two of out those five unconfirmed.

Process of elimination.

Vote: No Lynch

[Seraphim]

Actually, I'm extremely certain that lynching today is the right idea if you don't have to make a kill each night, do you Seraphim?

If you do, then that changes things.

No, it's one-shot.

I want to hear from ekiM, as the last unconfirmed vanilla. The lynch is between Kison, ekiM, and charter...everyone else is either me or confirmed by Kison already.

If we lynch ekiM today and he flips town, it's assumed that the remaining scum will NOT kill the cop, because the remainder of players will be:

me
HR
tajo
charter...and it's obvious who the last scum is.

Exact same thing if we lynch charter and the cop is killed. Same set-up, it's obviously ekiM.

So it's clear that if the remaining scum is ekiM/charter, they will not kill the cop today. They can't do that without screwing themselves over at this point.

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So, let's assume that the opening scenario is the same. ekiM/charter is lynched, but then one of HR/tajo is slain. This leaves:

Me
Kison
HR or tajo
ekiM or charter

I have a sneaking suspicion that Kison may be scum and will get a guilty result on whoever of ekiM/charter that we do not kill today or perhaps even me if he is gutsy scum.

In other words, no matter what happens today or tonight, Kison will get a guilty result if still alive tomorrow unless he investigates me. I trust that Kison is a cop...we should decide if we think the Italians could fit a cop into their set-up for game balance. If we think the Italians could have a cop, then we lynch Kison. If this is impossible, we lynch ekiM today follwed by charter tomorrow.

Basically, it's one of those two. We should decide today who is more likely to be scum.

[Seraphim]

By one of those two, I mean charter/ekiM or Kison. We lynch those two or we lynch Kison. If Kison isn't scum and we lynch him...well, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

[Seraphim]

Actually, scratch that. I'm taking a look at the set-up...take a look at the neighborhoods.

Upper:
Russian Scum
Italian Scum

Lower:
Town
Serial Killer

Seaside:
Town
charter

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Personally, I don't see why there wouldn't be a double town neighborhood. Lowell was fairly sure charter was town. I say give him the benefit of a doubt...let's lynch ekiM.

Also, that reminds me...anyone receive anything from Korts?

[Seraphim]

Here's an idea: Let's no-lynch today.

Kison investigates one of ekiM/charter.

If Kison is killed, we lynch ekiM and then charter(or vice-versa).

If one of the confirmeds are killed, we lynch whoever Kison didn't investigate and then Kison if the game isn't over right there.

[Seraphim]

V/LA from today until Friday.

[Seraphim]

Fantastic. About time they started killing the coppers.

As expected, there are now five of us.

Seraphim
ekiM
Howard Roark
Kison
charter

Among this list, HR is still confirmed...and I am very close to being confirmed town or at least highly unlikely scum. Kison, who did you investigate last night? What was that result? It will most definitely determine today's lynch.

[Seraphim]

Vote: Kison

Caught between a rock and a hard place are we?

[Seraphim]

I consider a roleblocker at this point almost impossible. Consider back when I had my one-shot vig kill...why was that not blocked? There were three people on that list and two of them are still alive and are possible scum. Kison, your conspiracy theory of being set up in LYOL seems like a far-fetched grasping at straws.

[Seraphim]

charter, don't you think it fits into the game's theme of defying normal Mafia expectations to have a Mafia cop with a town back-up?

[Seraphim]

Godfather: If Cop-investigated you appear pro-town. If Gunsmith-investigated you seem not to have a gun.

As far as powers go, the only reason his investigation would have "failed" would be if he was roleblocked.

[Seraphim]

Perhaps Korts did not get a chance to use his gift?

I do not believe that charter is scum. If you flip town today, I am willing to consider it. However, it's been nagging me that you aren't dead yet. It just doesn't make sense. I'm willing to risk the cop to end my nagging suspicions.

[Seraphim]

I'll be completely honest, is there anything else anyone wants to say? If so, please do so...discussion is lagging because almost everyone has decided on Kison's guilt.

[Seraphim]

I definitely want to hear more from HR. He has barely posted at all today(Day 7, not today today)

[Seraphim]

I have nothing else to say either.

[Seraphim]

Alright. We have three days until deadline.

Kison and ekiM don't seem to have much else to say. Someone should hammer.

[Seraphim]

I eagerly await some flippage.

[Seraphim]

Wow, I actually did decent in this game. AND I FINALLY CHOSE RIGHT IN ENDGAME! WHOO!

The X flip surprised me. I guess I did fulfill my goal of drawing scum kills, which I did two nights in a row until I told him that I was bulletproof.

WTF was with Mufasa trying to protect invalid targets?

[Seraphim]

I think the replacement situation was caused by the great player list and just how interesting the game was. There was a lot of crap going on, between three neighborhoods, half of the members being scum, and lots of interesting power roles.

Fantastic set-up, enjoyed playing with everyone.