Mini 733- Congratulations! You are... Mafia (Game Over)

[SlySly]

Since Mirth is female, does that make her a bitch mod as opposed to a bastard mod?

You cannot prove that I am female. This is the internet. I could be a 49 year old truck driver named Eugene for all you know, bestest best friend, dear

OMGUS

vote:CoheedCambria09

[SlySly]

I luv alpacas!

[SlySly]

>/=

That is an interesting set of operators, does the division happen first?

[SlySly]

Shouldn't the white one be Lucky Pierre to create the Oreo correctly?

[SlySly]

Then again, a lot of people resort to =!

When you get a compiler error you should try !=

[SlySly]

Votecount

Zazie - 2609 - [Plum, caf, kmd]

2609/12 > 50%, sat is lynch!

When you said 'sat', did I correctly interpret that as meaning Saturday? The rules have already stated that we have about a month before deadline so I am confused at what you mean by the statement following your formula.

- I would appreciate it if y'all didn't take forever. All days shall have a

tentative deadline of one month after they start

, but if you wish..."

I would be interested in seeing a scenario where we each had a vote on us. The results of the following vote count could let us know if some players votes carry more weight than others.

unvote

vote:Darox

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Imaginality, in every one of your posts so far, you have offered at least one element that presents a challenge to the reader in terms of comprehension. Are you doing this due to having some sort of post restriction?

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BASTARDRY AFOOT

BAST-ITCH-RY

On an unrelated note, does anyone want to buy some lemonade?

I must first determine if this is Jonestown.

[SlySly]

is dis serious?

do it sound dat way?

[SlySly]

Do you think it more likely has to do with:

a) Players' votes on others being weighted differently

b) Players' votes on themselves being weighted differently

c) Mirth having fun messing with our minds

Well, playing 'outguess the mod' in this game would be senseless as anything can be in a theme game, especially one being modded by my BFF.

That is why I moved, by suggestion and action, for us to get in a situation where we could see if Mirth's vote counts possibly make more sense when everything is on a level playing field. There is no harm in checking it out as putting each of us at L-6 is hardly cause for alarm, especially when it could reveal some useful information.

[SlySly]

Oh, and to SlySly, I don't think we're going to learn anything significant by any voting strategies.

If you say so.

However, I think it is my duty, to shake that booty. And,

Blankman trumps them all.

unvote

vote:elvis

[SlySly]

I know nothing of lawn gnomes, but linux + gnome > windows

buy: lemonade

[SlySly]

Waiting on:
Isacc
SlySly
ZazieR

I know nothing of lawn gnomes, but linux + gnome > windows

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now why would you do that

I was thirsty. Not to mention, curious.

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Anyone feel like translating all the languages?

I would like some translations as well.

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SlySly and/or Caf: Now that a cup's been bought, can you give us any further information regarding the lemonade or not?

The only thing I noticed was the lemonade sold count in the voting results. Nothing has happened to me at all.

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SlySly has bought some lemonade and nothing horrible has happened. Therefore, more of you should

buy:lemonade

.

That logic is anti-town. Lemonade could have different effects on different roles. Do you reach a win scenario when you sell enough lemonade? What more can you tell us about your lemonade?

[SlySly]

[SlySly]

I found an interesting article on lawn gnomes. I thought since no one in the game knows anything about them, I would share it.

Here is the url...

http://www.ezinearticles.com/?Lawn-Gnomes&id=1291325

Here are some things I learned there:

1. Lawn gnomes were created in 1800 and are still a staple in people's yards over 200 years later.
2. The whole idea of having these little treasures in your yard is to bring you good luck.
3. However, there is a bit of irony involved because folklore says that gnomes were little imps that would hamper any efforts you made to have a beautiful lawn or garden.
4. There is also this odd tradition that individuals steal the gnomes from a yard and take them to strange locations with them. When the gnome-nappers arrive at their destination, they will take photos of the gnome and send the photos to the owner.

My role PM mentions nothing about gnomes before anyone speculates as such. The gnome hunt so far has not seemed scummy to me, so what could be the harm in helping shed some light on the topic?

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As for what's in it for me, I'm not at liberty to say.

I can deal with inability to reveal certain role parameters.

And I still don't know what the lemonade does. There's stuff in my role that suggests the lemonade isn't dangerous, but I can't tell you any of that stuff either.

I can deal with the suggestion that lemonade isn't dangerous and your inability to discuss the exact PM specifcs that validate such an observation.

(worst role ever or what?) I know it might seem scummy to keep trying to make you buy lemonade, but unfortunately I'm gonna keep banging on about it until enough of you do.

What I find most interesting is that since making this statement, you haven't asked anyone to buy any lemonade. Is there a reason for your diminished enthusiasm about your position as lemonade salesman?

I agree that we should wait til day 2 to see what happens to the lemonade drinker.

This will not be acceptable for me, unfortunately.

Does this mean that the lemonade is only a factor in day 1 and you will be able to clear up all confusion surrounding the lemonade in day 2?

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My laziness exceeds that of most and being expected to be a linguist or make use of a translator is far beyond the acceptable boundaries I would expect in a nice, (un)friendly game of mafia. Someone please translate and then give Mirth a swift kick if (s)he is the root of this.

[SlySly]

it's just weird that you said "btw this isn't a bandwagon vote". it seemed like you were trying to avoid getting voted

It kind of struck me as funny too.

[SlySly]

The case against kmd seems fairly weak to me but at the same time, kmd's responses to the questions seem a little too defensive as if he does have something to cover up.

It's the most annoying and funniest thing at the same time.

Yes, very annoying!! I still did not gather anything as far as a translation, seems to be jibberish to me.

unvote

[SlySly]

The case against kmd seems fairly weak to me but at the same time, kmd's responses to the questions seem a little too defensive as if he does have something to cover up.

How do you tell the difference between someone defending themselves and someone being too defensive?

My statement is a result of some of kmd's responses reminding me greatly of some of my own statements in past games where others were saying the same about me.

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If I was just bandwagoning, I'd have said so.

I don't buy this at all. Who's going to openly point out their own scuminess while they are committing it?

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Alo, alo, sunt eu, Picasso
ti-am dat beep
si sunt voinic
Dar sa stii, nu-ti cer nimic.

Te sun, sã-ti spun, ce simt, acum
Alo, iubirea mea sunt eu, fericirea

Alo, salut, sunt eu, un haiduc
si te rog, iubirea mea, primeste fericirea.

Vrei sa pleci dar nu-mã, nu-mã iei
Nu-mã, nu-mã iei, nu-mã, nu-mã, nu-mã iei
Chipul tãu si dragostea din tei
Mi-amintesc de ochii tãi.

Vrei sã pleci dar nu-mã, nu-mã iei
Nu-mã, nu-mã iei, nu-mã, nu-mã, nu-mã iei
Chipul tãu si dragostea din tei
Mi-amintesc de ochii tãi.

These types of posts are not helping the town. I, for one, am not translating them. I have a job already, I signed up for a fun game, not a foreign language class.

I see the foreign language posts, by all the players doing it, as anti-town. I am now assuming that any post that is not in english is scummy.

[SlySly]

/agree with Issac
don't like sly's "foreign languages are scummy" policy at all
also sly, if you believe that the different languages are scummy, shouldn't you be voting someone who is doing so by your logic?

Well, seeing how there are multiple players doing it, and I don't understand what any of them are saying, it is hard to narrow it down to one.

It is good to see that my foreign language stance has sparked a little conversation. Hopefully, we can sniff out some scum in the process.

Post restriction is one thing, but Imaginality taunting me with it is another. I seriously doubt that there is a clause in his role that says he must immediately taunt anyone who calls the foreign languages scummy.

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I want to pet those first 3 kitties that destructor posted.

Destructor, assuming kmd's translation is correct, is there a reason that you seem without fear to buy some lemonade?

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When it's my first post of the RVS, I will. I'll gladly jump up and say, "Oh, bandwagon!!! I'm on it!!!"

Ok, fair enough. I was looking at your 37th post when I made my statement. I looked back and now see that it was your first post that was in question.

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Why such an unflexible policy?

My stance is not as inflexible as it may seem. Someone has to step up and take some kind of stance or this game is going to get lost in translation. No pun intended.

[SlySly]

srsly, joo shood leench darox or dezh today.

What do you have on darox? I have a few of my own ideas about darox, but I want to hear why you are pushing me to vote him. When you say 'dezh' do you mean Destructor? If so, what is your case against him?

If you think I should be voting one of these 2, why are you voting for petroleumjelly and not one of them?

[SlySly]

srsly, joo shood leench darox or dezh today.

What do you have on darox? I have a few of my own ideas about darox, but I want to hear why you are pushing me to vote him. When you say 'dezh' do you mean Destructor? If so, what is your case against him?

Obv zhey are both ze scomzh.

That is one helluva a strong case you present. I will get right on that lynch for you.

If you think I should be voting one of these 2, why are you voting for petroleumjelly and not one of them?

Vot ze fock do joo think?

I thought it a bit strange that you seemed to be making a joke vote to make a statement and chose petroleumjelly as the the topic. I'm scared to ask why that was the first thing that popped into your mind. If it is not game related, please don't tell us. I doubt there is any interest in the stories of your mangina amongst the town.

I vood shettle for votching joo guys lynch SlySly instead. And no, zis iz not ze OMGUZH.

Another awe inspiring case you have presented here.

You are wasting the town's time with your baseless jibberish. The scuminess meter on you is rising in my book, but not yet worthy of my vote.

[SlySly]

actually after rereading i agree with plum
sly's actions are more voteworthy than kmd's

A vote for me is pretty much a waste of the town's time. I have sent a copy of my claim to the mod to make sure I follow all the rules of my role. Until receiving word back from Mirth, I am not prepared to elaborate on this just yet.

I suggest that those voting for me look elsewhere for scum and quit wasting time on me.

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SlySly's reaction to what I said was interesting in that he assumed I had "no fear" about buying lemonade...

Sly seemed to be alluding to me being informed or something too, which is what got to me first.

If it comes down to me needing to claim and Mirth approves the delivery of my claim, it will shed a little light on why I asked about your lack of fear about buying the lemonade.

Sly bought some, dunno if he said anything happened yet.

Nothing happened.

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SlySly's anti-foreign-language comment I can see more likely frustration rather than scumtell.

Finally, a brain!!!

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Were you scum in those games? Are you saying kmd is acting the way you act as scum, or are you saying that other people have gotten away with attacks like this on you whether or not you have been scum?

In some of those games I was scum, in some I was town. Mainly, the times that seem so familiar are when I was town and being mislynched since I play by my own rules and everyone seems to think that equates to scum. Feel free to meta my games, you will see how often I have been mislynched. It is not at all surprising to me that there is a baseless bandwagon forming on me in this game already.

Personally, I think someone who calls another person "overdefensive" is usually scum.

Following "usually scum" ideologies with Sly often results in a mislynch. Meta if you feel the need.

And why aren't you objecting to the gratuitous posting of kittens? Maybe all the people posting kittens are scummy. OMG KITTENS ARE TEH SCUMZORZEZ!

Give me a break!!! It is much more difficult to hide scummy messages in a picture of a kitten than it is to embed a message in a language that you assume no one understands. I used to work at a place and this lady would come in and tell her kids in spanish to spread out and help each other steal things while she distracted me.

I HATE when people do that. Say somehting scummy and then be all like "I was trying to start some conversation duuuuudes, and it worked so I'm the shit."

Sorry, I am the shit. Sorry if the truth hurts you. My posting is pretty much what kicked this game into overdrive and I am being bandwagoned for it as usual.

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On other note, Sly, why haven't you shared your ideas about darox? Why did you need Glorken's reasons beforehand?

I wanted to see if Glork had noticed something that I hadn't. What is your fascination with finding out who would win in any given conflict and how do any of the results help the town find scum? Your posting so far has seemed to be nothing more than 'confusion stew' to me.

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This is suspicious. Taunting is yet again not a scummy activity on its own, and you're "glad this is helping the town" schtick has an awfully fake ring to it. Seems like you're hurriedly trying to cover your tracks after getting called out for your previous post.

Taunting is taunting, not scummy. Taunting is more assholeness than scuminess. If you choose to be a taunter in a bastitch modded game, I think it wise to be careful who you taunt.

See above about my posting helping get this game rolling. I'm really not worried about covering my tracks.

[SlySly]

well that's all well and good but of course that's not gonna effect any of my suspicions towards you until you actually claim

Well, I heard back from the mod and I will claim. Claiming at L-4 is usually pretty needless and stupid but since I don't want the town wasting their time on me, I will.

great..meta defense...

i hate when people do this, even in real life. i call this playing the role of the "unrecognized genius". yeah you partially got the game rolling...because you did something scummy. and then you try to play it off as "oh of course this always happens to me because nobody ever gets my point of view"

Unfortunately and stupidly, meta is part of this game. Rarely a game goes by without at least one reference to it. I don't care if you do or not, but if you think I am being a liar saying that I am often mislynched as town after doing something out of the ordinary, feel free to peruse the games I have played.

Like it or not, this game was going nowhere until I took my foreign language stance. I take no pride in this and am getting no cookie for it, but it is what it is. I would have preferred not having to take the stance. What I was really hoping for from my stance was for some townie who is not as lazy as me to translate it all. I only got one translation out of it and it did help. Go figure.

As for the promised claim...

I am a sasquatch. I can't go into detail about my role but I see it as pretty much of a waste of time trying to lynch me as the odds of catching and/or killing a sasquatch are very slim. Just think about it, have you ever actually seen a sasquatch or the remains of one? I am town and fearless, which is why I had no problem buying lemonade. I really doubt lemonade is going to hurt a sasquatch and I was willing to take the chance. There is more to my role that I can't reveal but just so everyone knows, I am not vanilla.

In case you don't remember this being said...

SlySly has bought some lemonade and nothing horrible has happened. Therefore, more of you should

buy:lemonade

.

That logic is anti-town. Lemonade could have different effects on different roles.

It is obvious that I was telling the town not to assume lemonade was okay for them just because it didn't do anything bad to me.

So, for those voting me, I suggest you shift your focus from me and help me and the rest of the town actually start scum hunting.

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With that being said, Destructor, is there a reason you seem to be fearless about buying lemonade too?

[SlySly]

personally, just a flavor claim and "not vanilla" isn't doing it for me

Point is, either fullclaim or don't claim at all. I prefer not claiming at all right now.

Conflicting views. Interesting.

I reread my claim and it is softer than I originally thought. There is one more tidbit of info I can reveal. With the conflicting views, I would like the rest of the town to chime in on whether they want the rest of the info now or would prefer that I keep it to myself for the time being.

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Plum, other than the tidbit I referred to above, I have explained myself as clearly as I am allowed to in the areas you have referred to.

The personal drive to claim now comes from being a victim of numerous previous mislynch bandwagons and knowing how much time was wasted battling about my unusual play in those games. I felt the claiming now would help ease the minds of the town by gaining some understanding of the reasoning behind some of my actions.

[SlySly]

personally, just a flavor claim and "not vanilla" isn't doing it for me

Point is, either fullclaim or don't claim at all. I prefer not claiming at all right now.

Conflicting views. Interesting.

I do not see conflicting views there.

Also, you might as well fullclaim.

Dahill infers that I should full claim, Kmd states that he doesn't want me to claim. Clearer now? Your desire for me to full claim is duly noted.

[SlySly]

actually, and he can correct me if I'm wrong, but I see him saying that he wished you hadn't claimed at all, and now that you've gone partway, you should fullclaim.

If you are referring to Dahill, I agree with you.

If you are referring to Kmd, I took his "I prefer not claiming at all right now." as him not wanting me to reveal the rest of my claim now.

You stated clearly that you want the full claim.

Plum's putting my case on the backburner, I took as he is happy with my soft claim for the time being.

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That puts things (as my understanding goes) at:

For full claim now: 2 (Dahill, cow)
Against full claim now: 2 (Kmd, Plum)

[SlySly]

i want sly to claim because i think he's scum. big difference

State your case on me clearly please. Then the bandwagon can build, you can be proven wrong and the town can quit wasting time on me.

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Kmd, please work on your quote tags so you won't be misquoting people in the future like you did me in 367.

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Cow, for the record, your interpretation was correct about kmd's statement about me full claiming. After thinking it over, I think it is best if I don't full claim at this point. If people want to waste their time trying to lynch me, more power to them.

For: 3 (Dahill, Cow, Kmd)
Against: 3 (Plum, Caf, Sly)

[SlySly]

@sly: i haven't reread yet but from what i remember
-meta defense
-foreign languages are scummy
and most recently you saying things such as "just bandwagon me to get it over with so you can hunt for real scum"

Wow, such a strong case. You have convinced me that, contrary to my role pm, I must be scum. After this game will you sit with me and train me so I can become a supreme scum detector such as yourself in my future games?

You haven't convinced me you are scum yet but please do, sasquatch is hungry.

[SlySly]

TYTY

:bows:

[SlySly]

One thought, only zemi-zerious musing - ve

could

call SlySly's bluff, no? If lynching him = no lynch, is not zo bad. Confirms Sly's claim. Okay, puts us on even nomberrs vhich is bad if means one less lynch, but vhat are chances of zis game proceeding in orderly one kill per night, one lynch per day anyhow?

As long as the town searches for other scum before my lynch attempt, I am onboard with this plan. Although, finding scum to lynch would be a better plan, especially if we expose more than one.

[SlySly]

I keep thinking how this is a Bastard Mod game and figure most mechanics and mod info will be red-herrings. I came in asking about the Lemonade because it sounded interesting, reminded me of BALCO and I thought maybe we'd learn something about the person selling it.

Maybe most of this stuff has been covered earlier.

Are you saying you haven't read the entire game? Not reading the game in its entirety

is

scummy.

[SlySly]

SlySly, question: What happens if we try to lynch you? Does the day end? Or does the lynch just fail and game continues?

I assume the day would end, but I don't know that for sure. I don't even know for sure that I won't die, but I have never been witness to a successful sasquatch hunt and for that reason, I suspect the lynch will not succeed.

[SlySly]

If lynching Sly wouldn't end the day, I'd see no reason not to do it.

We have no way of knowing if the day ends or not. I wouldn't call my assumption a confirmation.

Sly, you don't have any definite information about what happens if you are lynched?

No, I don't.

[SlySly]

Are you saying you haven't read the entire game? Not reading the game in its entirety is scummy.

Not reading the game when it's obviously apparent that you

could

have, maybe. If you're suggesting that I should stop contributing until I find the time to read the whole game, then you should also be prepared to wait a number of days. I'm posting and reading while I can, which is more important to me and useful for the town than stopping and reading the entire game right now.

When I replace into a game, I read it in its entirety before I start contributing. I'm not suggesting you stop contributing, but I would think town would be more concerned with being informed. I can see how scum can just jump in and start posting uninformed, but not town.

Also also, I did actually want you to respond to what I posted about you in my last post.

If you are referring to the following...

Why did you think getting me to reveal something like this about my role was even slightly worthwhile? Isn't that pure fishing?

I just want to know if there is a reason for your bravery. A simple yes/no answer would be fine. I wasn't expecting you to reveal anything.

[SlySly]

You're not making any sense about scum being more capable of posting without reading than town.

Scum already knows who is scum, they don't need to be informed from the text.

[SlySly]

You specifically mentioned how your question to me was related to your own role. Your own role is meant to have an ability that is extremely useful - some sort of invulnerability

or something

.

Or something would be the better descriptor. I cannot elaborate on this without risk of modkill.

Why would it have been useful to get some insight into whether or not my own role had such an ability?

When scum hunting, any tidbit of information can be helpful. My being sasquatch is the root of my fearlessness in buying the lemonade, though I may be being naive and taking too much stock in flavor, and I was curious as to the root of your courage. I don't really care about it anymore, at this point in time, as you have displayed scumminess in other ways. I am in support of your lynch now, but I will hold off with my vote for the time being. You would just call it OMGUS anyway.

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Darox, why have you avoided answering my question? Are you unable to elaborate or just choosing not to answer?

[SlySly]

Oh yeah, who is Jeep?

[SlySly]

If we lynch him and it does fail, it would pretty much

confirm some type of lynch immunity

.

My PM does not state any lynch immunity but it does state a few specific things about my abilities as a sasquatch which I cannot elaborate about other than saying I am as elusive as one would expect a sasquatch to be. A failed lynch on me would more confirm my elusiveness as a sasquatch. I'm sure if I can be found and caught, I can be killed. If Ted Nugent is a player in this game, I may have more to worry about than I think.

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You're still not making sense. Being scum doesn't magically inform you of the content in the game.

I'm making perfect sense, you just don't like it. Being scum magically informs you of who the other scum are. When scum joins a game, they don't even have to read the game, they know who the scum are already and can just jump in and start causing confusion and jumping on bandwagons, because they already know who they want to lynch; anyone who isn't scum.

This combined with your new ability to speak english, thanks to another translation that I didn't do, make me think you are full on scum.

What you did makes more sense as fishing than scum hunting. Do you disagree? And have you stopped caring about it because I've pointed out how anti-town it was?

Call it whatever you want. I don't care. Your not reading the game is more anti-town than anything I have done. Town needs to be informed and you don't even care if you are. That is because you already know who is scum.

Call this whatever you like too.

vote:Destructor

[SlySly]

Everyone note that Sly decides to push aside the irrationality of his fishing

Duly noted. I was wondering if you were a sasquatch too.

and me posting in English. Apparently this makes me the scummiest player in the game.

When your predecessor supposedly said she could NOT post in english, it sure seems like she was dishonest about that fact. You old timer MSer's know about LAL, even though, in my experience, that policy really seems to only apply to me.

You're COMPLETELY neglecting the fact that I've stated that I haven't had the time to read the whole game.

Uninformed time posting is time better spent becoming informed.

You're COMPLETELY neglecting the value to the scum-hunt in me contributing instead of posting nothing if I were to only read.

How much can the uninformed really contribute?

There is not much else to say about speaking German, but see what dahill said about his alien posting stuff.

Now you are using dahill's post as your defense? Nice.

[SlySly]

I didn't confirm or deny if I was a sasquatch. So, yeah, dunno why you're noting anything.

You said everyone and I now know that you are not a sasquatch so my original questioning to you no longer matters.

LAL is good play in certain situations. I don't see how this is one of them.

She, supposedly, said she couldn't post in english and now you are posting in english. She was lying. LAL

Bullshit about me using dahill's post as a defence. I was obviously using it as supporting evidence for my own explanation.

supporting evidence = defense

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About this. I think I've contributed a fair amount since I replaced in. That alone pretty much completely kills your argument that pro-town players can't be useful until they've read everything.

It definitely helps to read everything though...

Thank you.

[SlySly]

Well, hell, if you're on board with this plan, who am I to refuse ?

I think spending this day on others is the best plan. The only reason I would be onboard with imaginality's plan is because if my suspicion about one of my abilities as a sasquatch is correct, the results would somewhat prove my suspicion. I don't know for sure that I will be able to slip through the lynch. Proving myself right is not that important but in the heat of battle when someone is rubbing your nose in something, sometimes you spout off with arrogance just to show someone up. 'that's a nice full house, but take a look at these 4 aces, baby!' and that is all great until they comeback with 'oh yeah? read this this straight flush and weep'. I'm from Texas, need I say more?

First, if so, why did you not simply say straight out after you were questioned, that you were mostly frustrated?

Only after seeing the words so eloquently spoken by imaginality did they enter my mind. If I had thought of phrasing it the way imaginality did, I probably would have. I am a big user of sarcasm and the foreign language stance seemed like a good sarcastic stance to take at the time. I still have not translated any of the foreign language posts but the few translations that have leaked out have been helpful. I still wish someone would translate them all but I guess I can wish in one hand and poo in the other and see which fills up first.

[SlySly]

Here is my attempt at translating Zazie. I don't know how good the translator I am using is.

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Lügen! Sie haben mich nie vorher gewählt, KMD! (denke ich…)

Vote KMD

<3 dich

(Ich bin so slecht auf Deutsch )

Tell a lie! They have me never beforehand aware, KMD! (think self)

Vote KMD <3 thee

I am so (slecht?) in German

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Gibt es keine Lügen gibt. Ich war gespannt auf Abstimmung, bevor Sie das Spiel einmal begonnen.

(Du bist besser Deutsch als ich.)

Scheint wie es .

kmd says:
is it no lies gives. self was tense on vote , before she the game first begun. you are better German when self.

Zazie says:
seems how it

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What does anyone know about lawn gnomes?

Ich habe keine Ahnung...
(^^Die einzige Satz, die ich von meinem Kopf kenne )

I have no idea...
(^^the only one sentence , the self of to my head know)

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I do know, however, that you should buy some lemonade.

Haben Sie Beweis, daß wir Ihnen vertrauen können?

do you have proof , that we you confidence ability?

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Zazie - 268976 - [Plum, caf]
Glork - 4998899999 - [elvis]

Sie haben mehr Stimmen als ich

they have more voices when self

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That is all. I'd love to tell you what happens when you buy it, but I don't actually know.

unvote vote Caf19

FoS SlySly

Er kaufte Limonade, ohne zu wissen, was es tun könnte.

he shopped Limonade , without to knowledge , what it do might

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Nein
Wenn ich könnte, wurde ich, wie ich Deutsches hasse.

no
when self might , became self , how self German haters.

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Mirth liebt Kittens...
Das ist, warum ich eine überraschung habe:
...
Wenn meine private Anzeige korrekt ist, dann liebe ich auch Kittens

Mirth loves putty. that is , why self a surprise property :
...
when mine private announcement correct am , then love self also putty

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Amazing, I do a crude translation of 3 posts and seemingly have ran across Zazie and Kmd discussing telling lies, thinking self, and some sort of pre-game knowledge about something.

That sure seems scummy to me. I feel just fine about my vote.

FoS:Kmd

I think more translation is at hand. Can someone tell me what languages Imaginality and (Plum, Glork and Kmd) are/were posting in?

[SlySly]

Will do a reread to se the evolution of SlySly's arguable/alleged/whatever lynch-immunity or lack thereof, but Sly, I'd really like you to clarify

as clearly and finally as possible

.

I do not have any immunities. What I do have is abilities. Other than what I have already said, that is about as clear as I can make it without tempting the Wrath of Mirth, which I have already unintentionally treaded far too close to, as it is.

[SlySly]

What question?

I looked back through my posts and couldn't find it. I think I typed it in and must have deleted it somehow doing preview/edit. Forgive me for questioning that you ignored it, please, as it appears to be an oversight on my part.

Anyhow, can you tell us anymore about your fascination with the superior of any two things? It really seems like confusion posting to me.

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unFoS:Kmd

for now

Your translation was much better than mine. The translator I am using does not like the russian that has been posted. It won't translate it at all. I will search for another one to use.

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...can't find a good answer for why I, as town or scum, would have started posting in German and then stop...

As town, obviously it is going to be more helpful for the town if you post in english and if you only have to speak it part of the time, unlike your predecessor according to her posting, that would be best, just as imaginality is doing.

As scum, your german skills could be really bad, as mine are, and you feel much more comfortable spinning things and defending yourself in english. If you don't have a PR, like your predecessor claimed, it makes perfect sense for you to play her scummy lie off to better fit your needs.

[SlySly]

And I assume you aren't allowed to fullclaim judging by this post in combination with your actions so far.

There is the one tidbit of information, the one I spoke of previously, still that I can reveal. I will reveal it if the majority of the town steps forward and requests it of me, but that has not been the case so far.

[SlySly]

I read back over my role PM and I was mistaken. I cannot reveal the remaining tidbit of information that I thought I could.

[SlySly]

In other news, what are you doing sly?
First you claim you're a Sasquatch and imply you would be hard to find/kill, then you say you don't have any immunity, then claim you'll reveal specifics if the majority wishes. Then you reveal that you're not allowed to claim specifics on pain of modkill.

I mean seriously, a Sasquatch? It's nowhere near as good as a Yeti.

Well, as a sasquatch, I am hard to find and kill. As far as specifics, there is a lot of information and conditions in my PM and it has taken me many reads to know exactly what I can and can't say about it. Throughout my postings, I have focused only on the points of my PM that dealt with the topics at hand. Since we were getting back to my full claim, I went and did a reread to see just exactly what I can say and I discovered that I really can't say anymore.

Are you going to answer my question from post 451?

Yeti ain't got crap on me, his shoe size is only a 24, mine is a 36. I will squash Yeti like a cockroach.

[SlySly]

1. I'm using google's translator. I don't know how to speak or read German.

Duh. I think it is safe to say that most of the town doesn't speak german.

2. How am I playing Zazie's "scummy lie" off to better fit my needs?

Why are you continuing to push this ridiculous theory?

Ridiculous? Your predecessor said she couldn't post in english. She must have been lying since you are now posting in english. So, you are playing her lie off that she couldn't post in english now so you can post in english without others thinking there is anything wrong with it. The ridiculous part is you acting like there is no relevance in this.

[SlySly]

The part of all of this that makes you look like total scum is that you haven't even come close to explaining why I would bother to continue her lie only to start posting in English in my next post.

The part you seem incapable of comprehending is that you have chosen to not continue her lie by posting in english. She never posted in english and even stated that she couldn't.

[SlySly]

Теперь деструктор, как представляется, будет насмешкой попросил Issac путем размещения немецкого абсолютно не связанные с содержанием игры.

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KMD, besteht die Möglichkeit, dass Z und destructor interpretted ihre Rolle anders, aber die Antworten von destructor, kombiniert mit seinem Mangel an Sorge für das Lesen des Spiels, die mich glaube, er ist Abschaum.

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Darox linchamiento es otro buen candidato como él hace caso omiso de las preguntas que le ha ofrecido y poco en el modo de juego real contenido. ¿Quién ganaría en un linchamiento, o Darox Destructor? Yo sería feliz si ambos golpearon el uno al otro.

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Mirth hoàn toàn là điều ác để loại bỏ những hạn chế đăng bài vào các trò chơi.

Tôi không có đăng bài giới hạn, trong trường hợp bất cứ ai nghĩ rằng như vậy từ các bài đăng này.

[SlySly]

I have answered all the questions asked of me by the good people here. If you feel I have missed one, feel free to point it out.

You didn't answer mine. I already pointed it out, no need to repeat myself.

[SlySly]

Before I am lynched, other than myself, who do you (townies) find scummy?

[SlySly]

Oh yeah, Darox, any reason you didn't feel the need to translate anyone else's foreign language post than mine?

[SlySly]

drink: lemonade

[SlySly]

Hmm. Intehrrrezting phrase - "you (townies)" = SlySly not townie?

That post was between 2 posts directed at Darox. I wanted to make sure everyone didn't think that question was only directed at Darox. Nice of you not to answer.

[SlySly]

Sly, you are at L-1. Please claim as closely to fullclaim as you are allowed. Also wondering what happened after you drank the lemonade just now.

I have said all I can say about my role.

[SlySly]

Summarize what you have said please.

In a nutshell...

I am a Sasquatch. I am a fearless, non-vanilla townie with some abilities that I cannot elaborate about.

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This is a slip. A scum slip.

Is it now?

So many geniuses in this game. I should be a better player after this game after witnessing all the great scum detectors in action during this game.

[SlySly]

I didn't exclude myself. I already know who I think is scum. I want to know who everyone else thinks is scum, other than myself, before I get lynched.

[SlySly]

I thought you couldn't be lynched?

Or were you lying before?

Am I unlynchable? I don't think so.

Will the lynch on me today be successful? I don't think so.

[SlySly]

Mod: Can we get an updated vote count since I am at L-1?

[SlySly]

Sly, you are not making sense. You don't think you are unlynchable, but you don't think the lynch would be successful? How is this possible?

I cannot elaborate on specifics, but in theme games, anything is impossible.

[SlySly]

I think you said that wrong.

I think you know what I meant.

[SlySly]

Can you elaborate on the odds?

I have no idea on the odds but I sure love lemonade.

Any good guesses as to how likely it is that an attempt to lynch you will fail?

If I were guessing, I would guess that the town has wasted their time lynching me.

his refusal to repeat his question for Darox, which was a completely reasonable request

I already pointed it out to him once.

My question to Darox was in post 451.

In addition, Sly says he has some strong thoughts on who's scum, which, assuming he's actually town, might prove fruitful.

I did not say I had strong cases, I said I already know who I think is scum. I think Darox, Destructor and Cow are scum. Glork is on the bubble.

Isacc's gambit was stupid because no one agrees to risk a modkill.

QFT

No, it's reasonable that after a short post referring to Darox only as 'you' it's absolutely reasonable to specify 'you = townies' in that case.

Another brain, woot!!!

[SlySly]

why do you think that? Because we all find you scummy? That's what it looks like

WOW!!! Another genius!!!

I wish I had 11 votes so I could OMGUS everyone.

[SlySly]

wow, how very helpful this is.....
Please answer the question.

Are you trying to insinuate that you have actually been helpful in this game, scum? You are the fraud. You have lurked and contributed next to nothing. Darox has contributed nothing but he has attempted to produce lots of confusion. My case on Destructor has already been stated.

I noticed you didn't answer the question that I posed to everyone. How very helpful yourself.

[SlySly]

sly, I've made 17 posts in the week since I replaced in. You really call that lurking and contributing next to nothing?

Maybe you haven't been lurking as much as I originally thought, it is your lack of actual content that had me thinking you had been actively lurking. Other than revealing that Z said she couldn't post in english, I don't see that you have contributed much at all.

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this one?

I actually am not completely sure right now, because you've been so scummy that it overwhelms the game.

That was the one.

Ok, thanks, scum. Why would scum elaborate on who else is scum when they already have one townie about to be hammered? They wouldn't.

[SlySly]

I'm pretty sure I've contributed more useful information than you

I'm positive that you haven't.

Sly, I think you're scum.

Well, what can I say? I guess I should unvote and OMGUS vote you now. For the record, I don't think everyone voting me is scum but I don't think the wagon on me contains only townies.

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Caf, in the event that I survive until then, will I be able to buy more lemonade from you tomorrow?

Glork has been prodded

[SlySly]

buy:lemonade

[SlySly]

Cow, you have said your role is awesome. What more can you tell us about it?

[SlySly]

This is blatant fishing...

Yes, it is. Too bad I didn't get a better bite.

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Plum, Glork cannot vote for actual players. That makes him pretty much useless this game. It also makes him too easy of a target. I doubt he is scum because I doubt Mirth would make it that easy to locate scum. This is in no way meaning Glork is cleared of any suspicion, I just think it is more likely that he has a post restriction that makes him appear to be useless and I am willing to look elsewhere for scum for the time being.

[SlySly]

Sly, every time I want to think he is town does something

scummy

unusual.

fixed.

Ever watch Blue's Clues? The town needs to sit down in their thinking chair and think. Cause when we use our minds and take a step at a time, we can do, anything....that we wanna do.

[SlySly]

Sly, can you tell us if your role might imply any supersaint-like qualities?

I have said all that I can say about my role.

[SlySly]

You guys almost made me miss Rory and Lane's first gig. I would have been so pissed.

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Dahill, why are you continuing to waste time voting on me? I think it is obvious that the time for Sly hunting is over and it is time for all you time wasters to actually start looking for scum.

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unvote:Des

[SlySly]

Vhy did you trrrink lemonade before lynch attempt?

Dramatic effect.

Did you know vhat effect it vould haf beforre you drrinked it?

I assumed it would have no effect.

If not, do you now know vhat effect it haf?

It had no effect.

Vhy did you not answer Kmd when he asked this earrlier?

Was no need.

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Imaginality, you should be looking elsewhere for scum, unless, of course, you are scum. Why are you continuing to waste time on me?

[SlySly]

The poor fools gathered around one of their own, SlySly

Does this statement mean anything to anyone besides myself?

[SlySly]

No, in fact I'm ignoring all of the flavor

You are climbing my scum meter quickly.

[SlySly]

*does something scummy*

Will a lynch on you fail?

I had good reason to think a lynch on me would fail so I had no fear whatsoever in doing things that could be taken as scummy. You doubted me and wasted time trying to lynch me. It failed and you are still trying to lynch me.

I have good reason to believe that if you get everyone to decide to try and lynch me again that it will fail again, hence wasting more valuable scum hunting time.

Do you find anyone else scummy?

IMO, that statement you are choosing to ignore confirms my town alignment.

[SlySly]

So if we don't know the scum, everyone has an equal chance of being "one of our own".

My first read of the flavor, I thought I was fully confirmed and I thought it was kind of strange for Mirth to reveal my alignment. My second read of the flavor, I thought what you have pointed out above.

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Dahill, it is time to move on from me. You can come back later if you feel the need. Now, stop wasting the town's time and start scum hunting.

I will continue to role fish if I want to. I know what my PM says and you don't. I know what I need to find out and if that requires me to role fish, I will.

Votecount

Sly - 729 - [Dahill, des, cow, Darox]
Elvis - 298492 -[Plum]
PJ - 8 - [Glork]

Not Voting - i - [Caf, Isacc, imaginality, Sly, Kmd, Elvis]

Cups of Lemonade Bought: 1

[SlySly]

I have no lawn gnome and for the record, I think Issac's plan was stupid too.

[SlySly]

Sly, why did you imply that the lemonade had done something to change your role?

To give everyone something to speculate about. Keep reading, it may make more sense to you.

If you're town,

wtf

? How the hell is it pro-town to do things that you know are scummy, will cause distractions and make noise?

Once the wagon on me started, I knew no one believed me that the lynch would fail, so I poured on much questionable play as I could so I would receive enough votes for a lynch and everyone would see there was truth to what I was saying.

What makes you think you can accuse

us

of "wasting time" when it was what

you

did that caused us to waste it in the first place?! Seriously, what the fuck were you thinking? You're either a townie who's being a complete dumbass or scum. Which is it?

I stated early not to waste time trying to lynch me, you guys chose to ignore that, so dont blame me for wasting the time. I did as much as I could to get the votes needed for a lynch on me as quickly as possible so you could see there was truth to what I was saying and move on from me with as much time left as possible before the deadline.

Actually, in Weasles Mafia, undo had a role that required L+2 votes to lynch. Anyone up for trying to put more votes on Sly to see what happens?

That is not the case in this game. You can try as many times as you like to lynch me today and it is not going to happen, even if you get everyone to vote me. I am a young healthy sasquatch and I will not be caught while in my prime. As the game progresses, if you still feel I am scum, feel free to try to lynch me again. The odds of lynching me could be higher as I get older.

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With that being said, I consider anyone pushing my lynch further today to be scum. The harder you push, the scummier you become. This is not a flexible frustration stance like the foreign language one was.

vote:Dahill

[SlySly]

lolmgus from sly. "anyone attempting to lynch me is scum". i can't even possibly imagine how that can't be OMGUS

I said today.

I already told everyone the lynch on me today would fail and now it has been proven. Anyone insisting on pushing my lynch today is scum wasting the town's time. Scum that cannot bring themselves to move away from a townie that they know everyone supported lynching.

The lynch failed and will continue to fail today, move on, scum.

[SlySly]

this logic fails in that you are assuming that everybody thinks you're town and no one thinks you're scum which isn't true.

I'm not assuming anyone doesn't think I am scum, but continuing to push a lynch that has been proven to fail is scummy, scum. Feel free to try and lynch me again tomorrow, assuming you survive that long and you still feel the need.

[SlySly]

Why do you think I'm doing it?

I know this question was not directed at me, but I can see 2 reasons why you would be doing such.

1. You are a town power role and you are soft claiming that to subtly push the town into searching elsewhere for scum without revealing exactly what power your awesome role gives you.

2. You are scum trying to convince the town that you are really doing number 1.

Do you think I would be saying my role is awesome normally?

Only if your role was equally awesome in another said game and you were doing one of the above 2 things in that game as well.

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it has not been proven that you are completely unlynchable yet

I will not be lynched today. That is all that has been proven thus far.

and i find it interesting why you think that i (if i'm scum) would be night killed tonight?

1. You could be lynched today.
2. You could be killed by a night action.

I'm not saying either will happen but neither is out of the question.

and yes, i will try again tomorrow

It sounds to me that you are hellbent on pushing my lynch no matter what the circumstances are. What if someone reveals an innocent investigation on me tomorrow? Will you still push my lynch tomorrow in that case or will you just try to convince everyone that the investigator is not sane?

[SlySly]

@Sly: Maybe in a more normal game those 2 would be the only reasons, but you have to remember that this has some more evil things.

Duly noted.

[SlySly]

Sly, nothing has been proven besides the fact that putting you at 7 votes didn't lynch you last time.

Putting me there again today will have the same result.

Nothing has proven that you can't be lynched today with more votes than would normally be required or even that you might have had something like a 1-shot lynch immunity, or maybe 2-shot, who knows.

Well, you should waste the town's time and lead another lynch attempt on me for today. If you get everyone to vote me, I'll even vote myself. Quit playing outguess the mod and give up on me for the day, it is a waste of time just as I stated long ago.

The point is that it's completely unreasonable and irrational for you to be saying anyone who intends to try to get you lynched from now on is auto-scum just because, literally, you said so.

Actually, from my point of view, it is perfectly reasonable and rational. Plus, "because Sly said so" is a damn good reason.

Your method of "proving" your claim was really stupid and I'm pissed that you did it if you're town.

Oh no!!! I have upset scum!!

This is not a 'normal' game. My role is not a 'normal' role. Why would you expect me, or anyone else in this game, to act 'normal'?

[SlySly]

You sure?

Did I stutter?

unvote

vote:Plum

[SlySly]

EBWOP

unvote

vote:Plum

[SlySly]

Like it or not, a vote on me is a waste of time today. Remove your votes on me lest ye be scum.

[SlySly]

I want to see Caf and Glork vote you and a self-vote first. After that, we can confirm that you are unlynchable.

Still pushing, eh?

Glork can't vote me. I'm not going to self vote in this STUPID experiment. It has been proven twice that a lynch on me is not going to happen today. You were the hammer on me the first time and L+2 the second time.

Quit wasting time. 10 days till deadline.

unvote

vote:Kmd

[SlySly]

And I want to make sure there is really no way to lynch you. What does it hurt to try?

2 failed lynches ain't enough? geez

What does it hurt to try?

Tick Tock

[SlySly]

dahill, why'd you unvote Sly?

I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but the plan was get

more

than 7 votes on him...

There were 9 votes on me.

[SlySly]

anyways,

vote kmd

Could you elaborate on your reasoning behind this vote, please?

[SlySly]

MY FIRST FUCKING POST WAS IN GERMAN.

NOW TELL ME WHY I WOULD CONTINUE TO FAKE A PR THEN START POSTING IN ENGLISH AGAIN??! HOW MUCH OF THIS IS YOU BEING A RETARD AND HOW MUCH OF IT IS YOU BEING SCUM?

This is total crap logic. We have come full circle.

unvote

vote:destructor

I think there is a possiblity that you are VI but your defense is so weak I find it hard to believe you are not scum.

[SlySly]

Or you and Sly could be scum together.

I am not scum and I would think an investigation on me might help ease some minds, if anyone were able to do such.

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Considering the minute amount of time left after a day wasted on trying to lynch me, I am fine with lynching Darox. He has contributed nothing and has ignored questions that were bolded and pointed out to him.

I would rather lynch Des because I don't buy his PR defense. Either he or his predecessor are/were lying but you guys seem willing to let him off the hook for it, so be it.

unvote

vote:Darox

[SlySly]

what about his PR defense don't you buy, and why?

I don't buy that his ability to post in english is different than his predecessor due to a misunderstanding of the role PM. I think one of the two, most likely Des, is lying.

[SlySly]

Combined with the bandwagon vote on KMD with no explanation, he remains my choice.

Which vote of Darox's do you consider a bandwagon vote?

[SlySly]

mod: I think we are starting to make some progress, would it be possible to get a one week extension on the deadline?

[SlySly]

I hate long Day 1's. They're a liability to the town and basically not fun...30 pages is enough.

Spoken like the true scum that you are. 30 pages is not enough when 28 were wasted on a townie that ain't goin' out like that and told everyone so, twice.

The day's been productive.

It's starting to be. Not surprising at all that scum wants this current wagon on Darox to succeed and fast. Well, let me slow it down again and put my vote back where it belongs.

unvote

vote:Des

[SlySly]

What happened to the accent?

No shit.

[SlySly]

This extract intimates that you think Darox is town. But a few posts ago, you voted for him and said that even though he wasn't your first choice, you would be fine with his lynch. This makes very little sense - please explain your position on Darox.

Even before Darox made his latest post that actually contained content, I concluded that if Darox flipped town, I would have an entirely new list of scum candidates.

Since Darox's latest post and based on the play of a few and the observations of a few others, I think I know who all the scum are now. I will keep my complete list to myself at this point but I think Des is definitely one of them, especially considering his extreme tunnel vision on me earlier today and his willingness to rush the end of the day.

[SlySly]

Why did you choose to make your most recent decisions based on him flipping town, rather than scum?

The play of a few has given me a hunch that Darox is town and they are scum.

I would also suggest that no one buy the lemonade. It sounds like a way to join a cult to me. If it were not for my role, there is no way I would have bought some.

[SlySly]

If Glork is scum with this vote restriction, he

will

fake-claim and he

will

do whatever he can to stay alive.

Duh!

This isn't even logic. This is the blatantly obvious.

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It looks like, to me, we are on a crash course with a no lynch.

[SlySly]

I'm not onboard with the Darox lynch, but it looks like there is enough support for it. I would suggest Darox light a fire under his ass and get to stepping because it appears without such action, his end is near.

[SlySly]

You're suggesting that if I was lying about not being able to reveal my role, that would be anti town?

Give that man a medal.

He does like stating the obvious, does he not?

I have to say, I believe there may not be much you can reveal about your role as I was only able to reveal flavor myself. What I am having a hard time with is that you promised something almost a week ago and you have yet to deliver it. Where is it? or... Why aren't you producing it? and... Why have you waited so late in the game to deliver it (if you are even going to)?

[SlySly]

tick tock, tick tock

[SlySly]

Calling hascow "awesome, and totally rad to the max" is buddying.

Actually, considering how cow described his role, I took this as some possible link to cow, such as an 'awesome' masonry.

[SlySly]

Darox, why can't you be using the time you are using to respond to each of these posts to finish your analysis? That would be the protown thing to do. Your refusal to do so is looking extremely anti-town, bordering on scummy.

[SlySly]

I think they would have said if they're masons...

Unless their role PM specified that they could not reveal such info without being modkilled.

also, I think cow objected to the buddying. If they were masons, I don't think cow would mind the buddying.

Maybe cow's PM specifies that he can't buddy up with his fellow mason(s) in any way without being modkilled. If Darox flips scum, it is going to make cow look like he was scummily distancing from Darox in his objection of the buddying.

[SlySly]

Also sly, firing off a quick response and doing an analysis are two very different beasts with very different time consumptions.

On Feb 13th (10 days ago) you stated that you were...

Still typing.

This was after you had analyzed 6 players. I don't think that "doing an analysis" of the remaining 5 players would take 10+ days. I, for one, would like to see what you were "Still typing" 10 days ago.

[SlySly]

Though I have a stinking suspicion that Darox is town, my support for the Darox wagon is growing.

[SlySly]

I

'm goink to

kill

ed

Dezh.

fixed.

unvote

vote:Glork

[SlySly]

I have some lingering suspicions about cow, but I guess I can't go there today because he's silenced.

I would be willing to change my vote and support a cow lynch, silenced or not.

[SlySly]

Hey, maybe we can lynch sly today?

vote slysly

Not going to happen but if the we must, please get the attempt out of the way quickly so we don't waste the valuable time we wasted on me yesterday.

[SlySly]

Isacc, thesame logoic works on you tioo. Im leavin my vrote.

Same logic would work against cow too. Remember Darox's awesome review of cow.

I am suspicious of EK and Glork too.

Glork early had been all over Darox insisting he was the best lynch only later to state how bad the Darox lynch was.

[SlySly]

Also, I think we should try to lynch Sly again today. If we can't, we go for someone else.

Do you think everyone didn't hear you the first time?

[SlySly]

I was concerned the message wasn't sinking in.

What are you worried about if you can't be lynched?

I'm not worried. It seems to me that you are willing to waste the town's time again today, though. That seems scummy to me. Though I would prefer to lynch cow, if you keep pushing this issue when others seem to think there are more important avenues to explore, I will be moving my vote to you.

Glork could be a pro-town vig that killed Des. So, I will...

unvote

[SlySly]

Unless caf reveals what is accomplished by lemonade sales and it proves to be pro-town, I will not be buying any lemonade today.

[SlySly]

Vote: SlySly

I akree wif Elvis,

Why have you waited so long to get on this wagon? Elvis's suggestion was days ago and you have posted a few times since then. Shouldn't you have agreed to this earlier instead of waiting until now to agree to wasting the time of the town again today?

[SlySly]

Sing, sing, sing, so imaginality can post again.

[SlySly]

If you are genuinely not vorried vhy not vote yourself and encourage more votes on you and ve vill resolve this and move on quicker than if you resisting and callink people scummy for vanting to try it, yes?

I'm not worried in the least.

I already said, if we must, let's get it out of the way. Most chose to dig into other things as they obviously saw how much time was wasted on me yesterday and concluded that it is not in the town's best interest to waste that time on me again today.

Unless caf reveals what is accomplished by lemonade sales and it proves to be pro-town, I will not be buying any lemonade today.

Vhy ze change in attitude compared vif yesterday?

If caf is scum, I don't want to help him by buying his wares. If caf is town, he needs to tell us how the town benefits from the sales before he can expect us to buy anymore.

[SlySly]

blah blah blah

once again for imaginality's sake, in case he has more to add.

[SlySly]

Vhy does zis logic apply today more zan yesterday? Vhy gif him benifeet of doubt and buy eet yesterday but not today?

Yesterday I was attempting to prove how tough a sasquatch is. That has now been proven and I don't need to prove it again. He will have to convince me there is a pro-town reason to buy some today before I will.

[SlySly]

REEEEEEEEEECOLA!!!

[SlySly]

Yesterday you vere prrrepared to taking anti-town ackshuns to be proof how tough-man you are? (If you are sayingk you did not to trust caf yesterday eizzer, dat is conclusssion ve reach.)

I had no reason to trust or distrust caf yesterday. Today I feel the burden of proof is on caf to prove town benefits if he wants to sell more lemonade.

Vhat did drinkingk lemonade proof dzat to be hanged by neck to no effect, twize, didn't?

It just proved I had no fear of buying or drinking the lemonade.

[SlySly]

Swing, batta batta, SWING!!

[SlySly]

So, do you feel there is a reason to distrust me today?

You have given me no reason to trust you today.

The short story is, buy it if you think I'm town.

The short story is I am going to need a good reason to buy any lemonade today. "buy it (lemonade) if you think I am town" is not going to cut it today, at least for me.

Yesterday I had a few things to prove that I don't feel I need to prove again. I am not going out of my way to draw votes on me as I was yesterday. Those actions yesterday served their purpose yesterday.

SlySly does seem a bit more nervous about getting votes today. Perhaps he could be lynchable.

I am not nervous about being lynched today. For the third time, if everyone wants to try and kill the strong, healthy sasquatch in his prime, let's do it and get it out of the way so we don't waste the time that was wasted on such a fruitless act yesterday. Otherwise, let's get to actual scum hunting, which is what most players seem to be choosing to do today.

until the last few hours when his posts start to be of the "oh hai, maybe Darox is scum after all" tone.

Did Darox's answers, or lack thereof, to my questions at the end of yesterday make you feel that he was town? His answers got scummier and scummier as the deadline approached. I had a hunch he was town but I was wrong and not shocked at his scum flip after his failure to fulfill his promises.

Isacc inferred it when he bought it yesterday.

What exactly did he infer? Could you please point out the post(s) number(s) where this inference took place? I have been unable to locate it.

[SlySly]

I'm not buying lemonade today unless I am presented a very protown reason to. Caf has not given me any reason to think he is protown. If he dies if he doesn't sell enough lemonade, he should have been trying harder to prove that he is protown.

[SlySly]

Kmd, what is your opinion of EK in this game?

[SlySly]

Kmd, nevermind. Plum's stupid buying of the lemonade just screwed up where I was going.

Plum, why the fuck did you just buy lemonade when EK, whom you just voted for and for whom you obviously think is scum, is trying to help caf stay alive without some proof that caf is town? Has caf done anything, especially today, that has been protown in any way?

[SlySly]

I think we are about to have a deadline imposed on us. Thanks, lurkers.

[SlySly]

blah blah blah, it seems imaginality has somthing to say.

[SlySly]

vote:EK

[SlySly]

it seems fairly clear that if Caf doesn't sell enough lemonade he'll die. ...but not doing my part in keeping a townie-looking player alive...would not be a smart or pro-town move on my part.

You're right. Probing caf to get a better town read before buying the lemonade would be a terrible idea, especially with the looming deadline and our lack of time left for discussion.

unvote

vote: Plum

[SlySly]

Plum's explanation of his lemonade purchase is total bs. There was plenty of time to probe caf before deciding to let him live if it were determined he was town. "Buy lemonade if you think I am town" doesn't clear caf in my opinion and he has not offered much more content than that today.

[SlySly]

Yesterday you vote EK with no explanation. Today you vote Plum, almost as little explanation. wtfpancakes?

I answered this question.

Plum's explanation of his lemonade purchase is total bs. There was plenty of time to probe caf before deciding to let him live if it were determined he was town. "Buy lemonade if you think I am town" doesn't clear caf in my opinion and he has not offered much more content than that today.

If I missed another question, please point it out. I have nothing to fear.

[SlySly]

Duly noted, Plum. Please forgive me for my unintentional gender bending.

[SlySly]

Actually, my vote on EK, though it was not without suspicion about her, was an attempt to jump start a game where the participation has dwindled significantly recently.

[SlySly]

That would have been more Protown.

[SlySly]

Well, honestly, I am equally suspicious of EK, Plum and Kmd for all buying the lemonade without even trying to probe caf's alignment. caf may be town and he may be scum, I honestly don't know, but it seems like he sure got a free pass today from you 3.

So,

unvote

Unfortunately, the person I would like to lynch the most today is cow and I don't see much hope in getting the needed support for that lynch seeing how he is silenced today.

[SlySly]

In my experience, those who repeatedly insist on using WoW usually flip scum.

FoS: Plum

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I have never heard of a town gambit.

vote: Isacc

[SlySly]

Have you already forgotten your own action that you, yourself, called a gambit?

[SlySly]

WoW = wall of words

[SlySly]

I didn't like your choice of wording when you first mentioned as a gambit. I should have mentioned it then, but I didn't.

I do not have the wiki memorized. I have browsed it lightly. I base things more on what I have experienced in game, for the most part. I have never seen anyone claim to have used a town gambit before. I have heard reference to gambit only as it applies to scum, in game.

Do you have a link to a finished game where reference has been specifically made to a town gambit?

[SlySly]

I want to see an example where a protown player called his actions, in game, a gambit. I have never seen a protown player do that before, ever.

[SlySly]

I'm not denying the truth, I am asking for a specific example which no one has produced thus far. That is a truth that you can't deny.

[SlySly]

I have yet to see a link to

a game

, not a wiki entry, where a protown player called their actions a gambit,

in game

. That is the truth. You now sound like scum that is squirming over a player being against you for a weak reason.

[SlySly]

I may 'sound like' I am squirming, but I'm not the one who actually is and is actually under pressure. I am not squirming. You, on the other hand, are at L-2 and are now playing 'discredit the dumbass' when faced with an obvious truth.

I read what everyone said and I now understand that there are town gambits. However, the truth is that protown players do not call their actions a gambit in game. Until someone posts proof otherwise, or you are lynched and flip town, I will continue to believe that.

[SlySly]

Well, tyvm Plum, your helping Isacc defend himself is duly noted. I'm still not moving my vote.

[SlySly]

Sly: How the heck was that defending?

It wasn't.

You asked someone (not only me) to give you an example.

You were the one in need of defense, not Plum. I wanted it from you.

"Until someone posts proof otherwise, or you are lynched and flip town, I will continue to believe that."

Someone posted proof otherwise. However, you still continue to believe in your accusation? Why?

Because only an idiot townie would call their actions a gambit. One instance of an idiot does not make me forget all the other instances I have seen where references to that word in game were made in association with scum. FTR, I now know town gambits exists and that at least one idiot before you even referenced his actions that way, in game.

Your idea of modkill suicide was at the nicest, idiotic.

Seems

like scum play to me. That is why my vote is staying where it is for the moment, I see nothing better to press on since I can't vote 3 times for the seemingly scummy free pass given to caf.

Your accusation holds no water, but you're clinging to a disproved statement.

I'm not clinging to

smurf

. This game has been moving about 1 mph for this entire day. I think the best thing at this point would be for EK to put you at L-1. If something happens at that point to make me move my vote, great.

You claim I am squirming? Prove it.

No need to prove the obvious.

[SlySly]

I have never heard of a town gambit.

vote: Isacc

A town gambit.

Even iv zis is not an ekzelent ekzample, Sly's stanze on town gambit'z is zilly.

Issue has been closed.

FTR, I now know town gambits exists and that at least one idiot before you even referenced his actions that way, in game.

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Mod:

Can hazcow be prodded?

Are you stupid or just scum that doesn't read the game?

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Sly's position of "gambits are never town" is foolish, IMO.

See above.

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You going to claim, Isacc?

[SlySly]

Woops, forgot sly...

@Sly: Why would I claim? Only 2 people are for it. That's hardly a majority.

You are probably right. Best approach is probably to diddly fart around until the deadline resulting in your lynch, whether it be right or wrong.

[SlySly]

hascow is silenced today, des. he doesn't need prodding[/b]

Hrmm. I figured zat iv he iz not ded, zen he iz ztill expekted to be reedink ze game. To anzer sly, hoo zo ekzitedly kolled me ztupid or zkohmz, I voz tryink to ensure zat hazcow vill not hav forgotten ze requezt Glork made ov him and vud be postink zis az zoon as he pozted next (iv he becoms unzilenced).

Oh really? How did you foresee cow going about confirm this for you since he can't post today?

Zere are posts he has made zat I can only dehzcribe as strange, liek he iz hoping zat they are vat a townie vud do, or zomzing. I vill try to find ze vonz I am tinkink ov in particular.

Yes, please do. No need for Darox-like delay.

I think you do make some good points about imaginality.

[SlySly]

Oh really? How did you foresee cow going about confirm this for you since he can't post today?

Iv Mirth konfirmed that Hazcow voz prodded, zen he vud not hav an eckskuze ov "mizzing zat post" vor not doink ze enalyziz.

1. There is no way to tell if a silenced player is reading the game, nor is there any obligation for them to read while they are silenced. I would expect if they weren't reading as the game progressed, that they should read all that has taken place since their silencing at the point where they become unsilenced.

2. cow, though I think he should, has no obligation to do what glork asked of him.

I understand what you are saying but I don't necessarily agree with it.

[SlySly]

Ziz here iz good. Yez, som peepol hav raized mynor schom tells ov Iyzak, bot zey are too mynor in my mind, cud azlo be don by town and ignor ze zings zat idicate zat Iyzak may be pro town (town tells). I feel vat he haz jost explayned to uz (his early PBPA of Darox) doz tromp much of ze minor schom tells on him.

I agree with this on some levels. My vote remains on Isaac mainly for 3 reasons: 1) Semantics over 'gambit' (minor), 2) ridiculous mod suicide plan (less minor, but not major), 3) if pushed to L-1, a claim might clear him in my mind. I'm not pushing for that claim at this point though but not yet ready to move my vote.

I did reed kmd's caze on Iyzak. I find mozt ov it was made of tells zat are not partikularly strong.

That was my initial thoughts of the entire case kmd presented as well, but I am often initially overwhelmed by a WoW. After reading the case a few times, I found a few things noteworthy but, like you, nothing major.

I vud not be arguink against zis (or any) caze normally, but I beeliv zat ve ar goink down ze rong trak and ze schomz are gettink away.

You are playing this role much better than your original role, IMO. That makes me wonder if there is something special/scummy about des-Glork that is motivating you to play better. I play every role terribly, feel free to meta me , so please don't take this comment about your previous role play the wrong way. Which track do you think would be better to follow at this point over the Isacc one?

I take Glork's side about destrrructor, who zeems to haf been fish/prezzure Glork to roleclaim and prezzing too hard (at this stage) on Glork for current inability to vote. Azide from hoping to get claim, destrructor may alzo haf been hoping if ozzer vagons fizzle out ve vould fall back on a 'lynch Glork he iss useless' lynch as deadline apprroaches.

...

I voz thinkink zat ze schomz at this point vere Darox, imaginality and Glork, so his comments about des-Khan/Glork zeemed very schommy to me. It dozzen't look zo bad in retrospekt.

This sounds like des-Glork backtracking from earlier suspicions as des-Khan. des-Khan thought Darox (confirmed scum), imaginality and Glork were all scum, now des-Glork

slighty seems

to have bussed imaginality in your last post only to attempt to clear him with this post. At one point in the game, imaginality was my 1 scum candidate. I am kind of disappointed that your promised analysis of possible scum turns out to be a semi-clearing of him.

I vud find helpful iv ozzers can give comments on the pairinks I list...

Plom and elvis probably aren't schomz toghether.

(possible - they both gave caf a free pass for the day)

Plom and Iyzak probably aren't schomz toghether.

(100% agree unless I am being fooled by bussing between the two)

elvis and imaginaity? -

(possible, caf free pass giver/my former 1 scum candidate)

imaginality and Sly probably aren't schomz toghether.

(Sly is town, pairing not possible)

Plom and Sly? -

(Sly is town, pairing not possible)

imaginality and Sly? -

(Sly is town, pairing not possible)

elvis and Sly? -

(Sly is town, pairing not possible)

You have conveniently left off many possible pairings. No mention of caf, kmd or cow. You said you were going to reread cow, you may have more to add about him soon. Have you 100% cleared caf and kmd from your suspicions? If yes, why?

[SlySly]

Happy b-day to elvis and imaginality!!

[SlySly]

EK, I am assuming des and cow can't vote. You have the power to put Isacc at L-1. If Isacc refused to claim or was hammered before claiming by caf, and Isacc flipped town, that would be good reason to not buy any lemonade tomorrow. If hammered by Plum, before or after claim, and Isacc flipped town, that would bring great suspicion on Plum tomorrow. If he got hammered and flipped scum, great!!!

Isacc doesn't want to claim, that is obvious. Sounds as though he hasn't came up with a good fake claim yet because non-scum would see how close to lynch he is. Isacc seems pretty comfy that he is not near lynch, that seems like a stance that only scum could be comfy with by the knowing that his scum buddy is who holds the hammer.

EK, you are doing what you have been ragging Isacc about. Spreading the case on Isacc without a vote. Are you guilty of the bussing on Isacc like you have been accusing him of with Darox? It is beginning to seem that way.

EK, quit Isaccing and put him at L-1. It is time for this mess to be resolved.

[SlySly]

There are seven voting players in the game at this point. Three are voting you. If I vote you, that will be four, which is majority of the players who have a vote. It's possible that will lynch you.

I didn't think of this, good point.

Isacc, claim.

[SlySly]

unvote

[SlySly]

Isacc, EK could have hammered you if her suspicion was true about the majority count, her reluctance suggests townness, unless of course she is just acting to create that effect. I'm assuming EK is town from this action. That doesn't mean scuminess from her will be tolerated in the rest of the game and she should not considered herself immune from my suspicion.

If your claim is true, my suspicion now moves to other players.

I have made a fairly big fuss about the lemonade sales today and those who bought it. Caf has not even made a peep about it in return; just laying back and smiling as town blindly buys the wares and steering very clear of the topic with every post caf made after the lemonade sales for the day were satiated.

vote:caf

[SlySly]

What's more, your attitude towards me and my lemonade has taken a turn.

I had no reason to trust or distrust caf yesterday. Today I feel the burden of proof is on caf to prove town benefits if he wants to sell more lemonade.

So, do you feel there is a reason to distrust me today?

You have given me no reason to trust you today.

I'm not buying lemonade today unless I am presented a very protown reason to. Caf has not given me any reason to think he is protown. If he dies if he doesn't sell enough lemonade, he should have been trying harder to prove that he is protown.

The above extracts (from posts 972, 980 and 985 respectively) exemplify your attitude towards me: a fairly neutral (if somewhat blunt) attitude towards me.

QFT. That doesn't mean I wasn't suspicious of you. Why did you leave the following quotes out? I think they clearly show an element of suspicion without pointing out any specific action.

The short story is I am going to need a good reason to buy any lemonade today. "buy it (lemonade) if you think I am town" is not going to cut it today, at least for me.

If caf is scum, I don't want to help him by buying his wares. If caf is town, he needs to tell us how the town benefits from the sales before he can expect us to buy anymore.

Unless caf reveals what is accomplished by lemonade sales and it proves to be pro-town, I will not be buying any lemonade today.

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Also finds EK scummy for not commenting favourably on his plan...

shades of self-preservation

there, but whatever, he doesn't use it as a major part of his case.

Is self-preservation is a scum tell in your opinion?

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I don't see why it is more risky to buy it today - it should be less risky really, as

there is an increased chance that it does nothing

. You have attested to the fact that it had no discernible effect on you,

and it had no positive effect on me, apart from that one thing

, about which I must remain as silent as the grave. (but I think some people have inferred it) The short story is, buy it if you think I'm town.

The bolded parts seem like a direct, contradictory lie to me. Paraphrasing... 'There is an increased chance it does nothing and it had no effect on me other than keeping me alive.'

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This is commonly how wagons on townies go,

with the scum happy not to rock the boat

and just leave the wagon 'lying around' until it becomes the only choice.

The bolded part is how I see your whole game being played so far.

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Let's revisit the last post of yours I pointed out with a different part bolded for emphasis...

This is commonly how wagons on townies go, with the scum happy not to rock the boat and just leave the wagon 'lying around'

until it becomes the only choice

.

Several hours before deadline of the Darox lynch...

Whatever Darox says, it's not like we have a choice at this point.

This close to deadline, he is our only viable lynch, and whatever the reason for it, he's never going to convince anyone without that post we were waiting for.

As forewarned,

Vote: Darox

. While accusing others of avoiding questions, he does the same thing to a greater extent. Darox's death is a good idea, in my opinion.

L-1. Three and a bit hours to deadline.

I'm not a mafia wiki expert and I don't often stay alive this long in a game, so I don't know whether to call this possible bussing or distancing or if those two are basically the same thing. But I think it is clear what I am trying to illustrate here.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we have exactly 60 hours to deadline. I'd really like to see the rest of Darox's analysis right now,

time is running out for us

... Even if you've only done a part of it, you could just post that part now?

Taking the context of this entire post into consideration, 'us', to me, seems to infer caf/Darox.

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it will help me if you buy it so it's a case of believing that I'm town.

the consequences are far more personal. Which is why I have to get y'all to believe I'm town, as you'd presumably want to help a townie out.

Also, a friendly reminder that you can still

buy:lemonade

if you happen to want some refreshment and/or want to help

me

out.

Paraphrasing... 'I have to get everyone believing I am town so they can help ME out.'

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Hello everyone!

I have found the scum already

, it is ZaZieR obv.

vote: ZaZieR

Job done, now I can settle down for a nice long lurk.

I bet you found the scum in your PM and were serious about going into active lurk mode.

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I agree with this on some levels. My vote remains on Isaac mainly for 3 reasons: 1) Semantics over 'gambit' (minor), 2) ridiculous mod suicide plan (less minor, but not major), 3) if pushed to L-1, a claim might clear him in my mind. I'm not pushing for that claim at this point though but not yet ready to move my vote.

Um. Wait. You voted him for, in your mind, a minor reason, a not major reason, and the fact that a claim which you explicitly weren't pushing for might clear him? Have I

FOS

ed you yet today?

1. FoS = useless. I have invited votes on me all day every time someone brought it up. Vote for me or look elsewhere for scum, I still stand by this. If someone wants to bring a case on me and push for the lynch, do it and get it out of the way. Sasquatch is getting older, but he ain't that old, yet. (Imaginality, EK and caf have all expressed interest in attempting to lynch me today. You would make 4. I'm sure if you can get the count to 4, a 5th wouldn't be hard to get to dismiss the majority factor. If this is what you want to do, push now or forget it. Time is too short to waste.)
2. The only other suspicious things I had to vote on for the day were my suspicions on the lemonade purchasers(can't vote for all 3, 2 of those have been cleared for the time being in my mind).
3. Isacc's claim pretty much cleared 3 people, for the moment, in my mind (Plum, Isacc, EK). I would say my vote there served its purpose.

Sly, could you make a case on Caf? Brief if that's how you roll.

1. The best scum actively lurks to avoid bringing suspicion on himself.
2. The best scum avoid discussing suspicions on themselves unless forced into it. (3 free passes are hardly pressure).
3. Possible Darox deadline bussing/distancing.

If caf does flip scum, he will shoot to the very top of the best players I have ever had the pleasure of playing against. He has been relatively squeaky clean; too squeaky clean.

[SlySly]

I am honestly laughing at the fact that you are still trying to push for my lynch...instead of proceeding to find scum suspects, she tunnels again and pushes for a doc lynch.

I think you are blinded by your anger with EK. EK did not continue pushing for your lynch. "If we lynch you" is not pushing for a lynch.

EK did make one statement that I agree with wholeheartedly...

It is very scummy that you held off this long when virtually nothing has changed for weeks.

...but since I believe your claim, I will call it the the play of a VI. Your claim reluctance lost us valuable time, I hope it doesn't result in a town death.

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Vud joo hav accepted elvis hammerink Iyzak vithout a claim as pro-town?

Had Isaac continued his refusal to claim, I would have supported the hammer. But I would have been suspicious of anyone (EK or anyone else) holding the hammer had Isacc flipped town.

[SlySly]

I am the doc. Now that I have claimed, the town will (most likely) have no doc after tonight, meaning bye bye protection from night kills.

Your reluctance to claim so close to being lynched and so close to the deadline made it obvious, IMO, you were holding out because you were going to claim a power role. Had you not claimed, IMO, you would have been as much of a target as you are now.

So, therefore, the fact that I had to claim at all hurts the town.

The time wasted by your refusal to claim has hurt the town more than than your claim, IMO.

Sly: You can defend EK and say it's my "anger" towards her, but please explain to me why you think she has not responded to any of my actual arguments?

Could you please, laconically, again point out the arguments you feel EK is ignoring?

[SlySly]

Olzo, I disagree zat he vud hav been an equal target to schomz becos he did not claim immediately. I hav played in too games vhere a vanilla townie has refused to claim altogether becos they did not need to reeveel morr to schom.

Your opinion is noted. Just remember, I didn't state it as fact, I stated it as my opinion. I was not shocked at all that Isacc's claim was not vanilla.

[SlySly]

Bot yoor reeson vor zinkink zat elvis is town is zat she did not hammer when she kood. Do you zink she vud hav zort she cud get avay vith hammerink as schom?

Perhaps I was a bit premature in removing my vote. Maybe I should have given EK the chance to hammer. Had she hammered and Isacc flipped town, that would have brought suspicion on her and maybe that is why she didn't hammer in the first place.

I dizagree vith ze critizism zat Iyzak vitholdink his claim voz anti-town (if he is indeed claimink honestly). It is pro-town to try not to klaim iv joor lynch is not inevitable, vich was throo of Iyzak.

I think his lynch was inevitable, and that is why I feel his withholding of his claim has been a detriment to the town.

[SlySly]

You

still

aren't looking for scum.

Nor are you. You are looking for EK. Seems like OMGUS to me.

Here is how your contributions appear to me since your claim, and I am paraphrasing...'OMG, I am so pissed and I haven't wasted anytime but let's rehash that point and waste the rest of our time debating if I contributed to game stagnation or not what little other time we have we can argue the WIFOM of my bussing, the mod has screwed this game over, EK is such obvious scum and is tunneling on me and ignoring my arguments while I tunnel on EK with OMGUS, why won't the town see this and lynch EK?'

I asked you to do something and you totally ignored me, should I act towards you the way you are acting towards EK?

[SlySly]

Deadline is Tuesday

[SlySly]

Isacc, can you do a concise...

1. reason
2. reason
3. reason

...of your case against EK please?

[SlySly]

@des-glork

I can't remember exactly what was going on in my mind at the end of the day yesterday, as another game I'm in heated up as this one cooled off a bit and I have lost some of my thinking at that time in this game, but I had a theory that if Darox flipped town it made it obvious that 3 people were scum, imaginality being one of those 3. Well, Darox obviously didn't flip town so that, as well as the events of this day, may also be contributing to my cloudy memory.

I will try to look back through and try to remember exactly what my thinking was but I wanted to post this so you didn't think I was ignoring you this close to deadline.

[SlySly]

It is very important to me zat imaginality, Sly and Kmd tell os who zey tink is caf's schombuddy.

cow

[SlySly]

Good shot, whoever took down the GF.

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The nitty, gritty has arrived and Sasquatch is getting old.

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I find it interesting that EK(confirmed GF) did an about face on me right before the night...

I don't think sly is scum anymore. He's been one of the more townish people today, I think. I don't know about the rest, but I'm not hot for slyscum anymore.

Now let's look at cow's stance against me and his sudden about face...

Post 907 - Sly:

Why aren't you dead yet?

There is no reason to suggest glork is at fault for this, so why? why, why, why?

Post 915 - Sly: Ok,

this could be the scummiest thing I've seen in this game

. You are willing to lynch someone who can't defend themselves or claim? Why? How can you not think this is anti-town and extremely scummy?

Post 918 - e_k: I like this entire post.

SlySly is still who i find scummiest

.

Post 928 - Sly: WHAT? It's completely different logic if you're talking about me. He wasn't expressing suspicion of me. Honestly,

I really wonder exactly what you're thinking, because nobody is this scummy

.

Post 939 - SlySly: REALLY? YOU STILL WANT TO LYNCH SOMEONE WHO CAN'T POST IN THREAD TO DEFEND THEMSELVES?!?! LAIEUHWEORIUEHBUIABEDAUIhEIWQO

Post 968 - sly: This seems like a flat-out lie to me. "Prove how tough a sasquatch is". You've proven it, so help him as it apparently doesn't do anything to you.

Post 972 - Sly: Sly, do you think caf is town?

Post 980 - Sly: Why the HECK is "buy it if you think I'm town" not a good reason?

Post 999 - Sly: What?

Post 1019 - Sly: Oh, c'mon. "Trying to start discussion" in

that way is ridiculously scummy. I don't believe you.

Post 1024 - Sly:

This is one of the scummiest posts I've ever seen

. "All of you are equally suspicious but let's lynch this guy who can't defend himself."

Post 1035 - Sly: ......really? This entire post confuses me. I don't have a clue what you're saying here. WoW? You haven't heard of a town gambit? What?

Post 1040 - Sly: So you're voting Plum for talking too much?

You're insane

. Wait, FoSing, same difference.

If that's your argument, that's ridiculous

.

Post 1049 - Sly: well, that makes slightly more sense. I agree that townies rarely call them gambits in-game because that ruins the chances of it working.

Post 1058 - Sly: Now you're just being ridiculous. You asked for Isacc or someone else for an example.

Post 1086 - Sly: Sarcasm, that's original. I do agree with this point though, we shouldn't be wasting time.

Post 1128 - Sly: Aah, I'm agreeing with Sly a lot today, something must be wrong with me.

Post 1175 - Sly:

Anyway, I'm currently thinking Sly is town. He definitely has grown on me since Day 1.

cow makes 18 points about me, in 14 of those points he clearly disagrees with me and then says "I'm agreeing with Sly a lot today" and ends up his summary with "I'm currently thinking Sly is town". Am I the only one that sees this as a little strange?

[SlySly]

nominate for a scummie: Mirth

best death scenes.

<3

[SlySly]

Imaginality, your thoughts on kittens?

Do you think this is actually relevant at this point in the game?

[SlySly]

Imaginality, your thoughts on kittens?

Do you think this is actually relevant at this point in the game?

yes. Why else would I have had a question about killing kittens to Isacc in my day 2 posting.

Fair enough, who do you think is most likely scum out of the remaining players?

[SlySly]

I would like to know what everyone thinks about the following things...

1. How many scum do you think are left?
2. Which is more likely amongst us, a serial killer or a protown vig that had unfortunate aim on night 1?
3. Is a mass claim a good idea at this point in the game?

[SlySly]

We've had 3 anti-town roles flip.

All but 2 names that have flipped are blue. What are you referring to?

[SlySly]

Oh, I was unfamiliar with the Survivor role. I looked it up on the wiki and am now educated.

If I had to guess, I'd say SK.
No.

Why would you guess SK over protown vig?

[SlySly]

Though, I wouldn't call a Survivor role antitown, just proSurvivor.

Votecount

Not Voting - 0 - [Des, Sly, Has, Plum, Kmd, Imaginality][/b]

[SlySly]

His soggeschon is (Mafia:SK:Survivor:Town) 2:1:1:8 insted ov 3:0:1:9.

Either way, we are one person away from a town win. That makes me think a mass claim might just be a good idea.

[SlySly]

Plum, cat got your tongue?

[SlySly]

Plum, cat got your tongue?

Plum has been busy and stuff and in fact must run to class ASAP. She does, however, promise a post much more extensive than this one tonight.

Understood. Looking forward to the post.

[SlySly]

However, the possibilities would be:

3:1:1:1:6 = unlikely - Town isn't even a majority, and that's beyond unusual, even for a Bastard game. Mafia might be rather overpowered?

I agree, unlikely. Town at great disadvantage.

2:1:1:1:7 = still relatively few town numbers, but as two of the neutral/third party roles don't go around shooting people up and stuff, this looks more balanced and likely than the above.

This puts us 1 away from a town win.

3:1:1:7 = with a Vig, Cop, and a smattering of unknown-as-yet powers, possible.

This puts us 1 away from a town win. I think this is the most likely scenario because every game I have ever been in that had a GF, there were 2 other scum. I don't know if this is how it always is, but that is how it has been in the games I have been a part of that had a GF. Has this been the experience of everyone else?

2:1:1:7 = Less likely, Mafia looks a bit underpowered, especially with relative flips, but there's some hidden info. Possible, but not probable.

Impossible, town would have already won. Besides, that only adds up to 11. That would have to be 2:1:1:8.

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@ Sly - you were the first to bring up a massclam, so can I ask you to highlight the specific benefits as you see them?

1. I have reason to believe that mis-lynching a townie will be disastrous for the town today.
2. I think there is a good possibility that we are 1 person away from getting a town win.
3. I think a discussion of the claims could help expose the fake claim and ensure we lynch the non-townie today to claim the town victory.

I am very inexperienced at being this deep into a game. If I am missing something and a mass claim would more likely hurt the town, please speak up and educate me. If a mass claim is definitely a bad idea, I don't want to push it.

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Thoughts on potential suspects:

I voz gettink more pro-town feelink from sly in day 2. Only major concern I hav is zat he voted for caf over elvis and made a comment about elvis beink moor likely town vor somthink zat did not vorrant it.

Those are concerns of mine as well. The moderately scummy play Day 1 combined with Day 2 erratic play (claiming not to have strong feelings or cases and attacking for weak reasons for that point of the game) do not sit well with me.

Historically, I have been a terrible mafia player. My role in this game allowed me to play my usual game on day 1 because I knew Sasquatch was highly unlikely to be taken down so soon. Being my usual self lead to me to being able to prove I was telling the truth about the nature of my role, twice.

My read on Darox was terrible but towards the end of day 1, his persistence to be unhelpful by refusing to fulfill his promises, lead me to state that I was moving towards support of his lynch.

After Isaac's claim, I prematurely cleared EK in my mind and even stated so. I initially thought that since she didn't hammer Isaac, it was due to her trying to not kill town. I now realize that she was only trying to prevent suspicion on herself by not hammering Isacc.

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I notice you have left imaginality and kmd off of your list of suspects. Have you cleared your mind of any suspicion on those 2? If so, why?

[SlySly]

As for my suspicion on caf, I just never felt he was playing protown. He played this game as procaf as I demonstrated before...

it will help me if you buy it so it's a case of believing that I'm town.

the consequences are far more personal. Which is why I have to get y'all to believe I'm town, as you'd presumably want to help a townie out.

Also, a friendly reminder that you can still

buy:lemonade

if you happen to want some refreshment and/or want to help

me

out.

Paraphrasing... 'I have to get everyone believing I am town so they can help ME out.'

[SlySly]

Zere is von thing I am interezted in knowink

from everyvon:

Vud joo be willink to allow Plom to decide vezzer she shood claim at her own dizcreshon?

Olso, is everyvon happy to follow the claim order I soggested?

Mass claim = everyone claims. Why would you want Plum excluded from the claim?

As far as order goes, I am fine with any order. I have already claimed so I really shouldn't be considered in the order.

[SlySly]

come again?!?

[SlySly]

cow, did you receive notification that you were bitten by imaginality?

[SlySly]

I do not zink my bite is vhat caused hascow to be silent yesterday. Because I bit him again last night. And zis time he can talk.

It seems awfully scummy that you wanted to silence him again.

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cow, I received no notification about being bitten by imaginality either.

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Fangs

vor all ze happy-birrrthday vishes.

Looks like a bit of a vampire breadcrumb. I believe that imaginality is a vampire. Protown? The jury is still out on that.

[SlySly]

I'll bite.

[SlySly]

Was it your opinion that cow was scum when you bit him (both times)?

[SlySly]

I haf to bite at least vun person.

IMO, if not for this, your action could only be interpreted as that of scum.

I am anxiously awaiting the next claim.

[SlySly]

Mirth is truly evil for making me, her best friend, a role in this game!!! Now I can see why cow thinks his role is so damn awesome!!!! I may have more to comment on about this after the claims are over, but I will keep my thoughts to myself for the moment.

@des - There is nothing else I can say about my role.

[SlySly]

RL issues have come to a head. I will catch up this weekend. Posted in both of my games...

[SlySly]

Here are some things on my mind:

1. I have never been in a game with more than one cop. However, this is a Mirth game and I am not saying Kmd is lying; it just bothers me.

2. imaginality is a vampire. imaginality's skills in perception are quite notable. The nature of a vampire is similar to that of Mirth's sense of humor; pure evil.

3. In Alcoholic's Anonymous Mafia, Mirth and I were masons together. Part of the flavor in my role PM in that game specified that Mirth was my 'best friend'. At one point in the game, I attempted to clear Mirth as town because she was my best friend. Though we were masons together, it turned out that Mirth was scum and I was town.

unvote

[SlySly]

@ Sly - Also, did you even have a vote anywhere - you unvoted - ? Also, when you suggested the massclai, you said you had reason to believe we have only one scum left. Can you elaborate on why, and how strongly you believe this is the case?

I have been away from the game for several days and was unsure if I had a lingering vote out. I was lazy and didn't feel like looking back through at the time to check, so I just unvoted.

I am looking at things from several different directions right now and have yet to formulate a scenario I feel strongly about. I need to review some things to see what I think is the most likely remaining setup.

[SlySly]

Must be just after dusk, the vampire has awakened.

[SlySly]

imaginality, how much detail do you have about the chessboard? Are there markings on it?

[SlySly]

1. My gut tells me kmd is scum (against claiming, semi lurkish).
2. My gut tells me that cow is scum not because of earlier suspicions but now because he is playing the role of my 'best friend'(in Alcoholic's Anon Mafia, Mirth was my 'best friend' and she was scum).
3. Though imaginality's chessboard killer scenario is quite intriguing, my gut tells me that desGlork is a vig.

I think it is safe to assume that kmd AND cow are not both scum. If we were up against a deadline, I would have to vote kmd at this point.

[SlySly]

Seems like zere is rrroom vor mod-WIFOM herre, am not convinced zis is a good point against cow.

I agree 100%. Mirth is pure evil. She knows this is a fact that I cannot ignore. Mirth including such a role confirms her intent to demonstrate the extreme depths of her evilness in this game. I was just stating why my mind is having trouble focusing.

[SlySly]

Sly, look closer at your role PM for a minute. Does it say how you became a sasquatch? Were you born as one or what?

My role PM does not have any reference to a metamorphosis of any kind taking place for me to become a sasquatch. My pm has shades of discussion about aging but not of creation. I assume that since I am a Sasquatch, I was born a Sasquatch.

[SlySly]

When it mentions aging, does it hint at any possibility of other Sasquatches or anything like that?

(Sorry if I'm confusing you. I'm probably more confused than you are right now.)

There is nothing in my PM that suggests or eliminates the possibility of other Sasquatches in this game.

[SlySly]

Sly, last question. Did you target me with anything during the day today?

No. I have not targeted you with anything during this game.

[SlySly]

I was informed of this during the day, not night.

Did this information you received specify that this was the result of an action made by another player that had targeted you?

[SlySly]

No. I was just informed that I had gained the power.

Did you receive this news at the beginning of the day today?