Mini Normal 2303 [Postgame!!!!]

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VOTE: fireisredsir for not getting first

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fire can be red

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VOTE: Ausuka for lying

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Did you know fire can be invisible?

true!

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you (as in Erinys) probably already knew this but at NASA they'd have to swing around brooms to detect hydrogen fires cuz hydrogen burns Invisibly

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how frightening!

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Oh wait, no. Kindle is my main choice of communication

I used to play on my kindle paperwhite

we need you to weigh in on the ongoing fire discussion

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Fire (the individual) is giving me town vibes

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you're what

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I'm just conftowon gg

yes
I am greener than the grass in my lawn

what prompted this lol

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Fire (the individual) is giving me town vibes

what made you decide to say this now?

for the sake of gameplay related content and not like fire (the

substance

experience) related content. What made you decided to ask this question?

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"made you decided" lol

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Fire (the individual) is giving me town vibes

what made you decide to say this now?

for the sake of gameplay related content and not like fire (the

substance

experience) related content. What made you decided to ask this question?

i was wondering why you said it in your 8th post when i hadn't posted anything since before your 1st post

oh yeah no I'd already thought that but there didn't seem to be all that much gameplay discussion except for the Hu Tao thing I think

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not that having silly conversations about unrelated things is bad. Actually we should do more of that. Much better than people getting super angry over a forum game lol

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If a green fire burns down the lawn then the fire WOULD be greener than the grass.

albeit for only a little bit. then it would be brown.

the fire would still be greener than the grass until it disappeared

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what

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If a green fire burns down the lawn then the fire WOULD be greener than the grass.

albeit for only a little bit. then it would be brown.

the fire would still be greener than the grass until it disappeared

Exactly, this is why we have to vote Cook, she's scumslipping...

you're so right VOTE: Cook

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Day 1 Votecount 1

I know it's standard to give some sort of flavor here. However I'm probably not going to do that sorry. too much work.

Cook (2):

HighPrincessErinys, KatyKimFanClub

Hu Tao (2):

Arsi Teroka, Ausuka

iamveryhappy (2):

ItalianoVD, fireisredsir

Ausuka (1):

Invisibility

Invisibility (1):

iamveryhappy

HighPrincessErinys (1):

Cook

Not Voting (4):

T3, Black, Something_Smart, Hu Tao

There are (expired on 2023-06-20 13:00:00) remaining.

can you put how many people it takes to lim an individual in the VCs? I'm bad at math

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Fire (the individual) is giving me town vibes

Really? Already

yes

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Fire (the individual) is giving me town vibes

Really? Already

yes

Well dang I want town vibes.

maybe for a candy bar

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Fire (the individual) is giving me town vibes

Really? Already

yes

Well dang I want town vibes.

maybe for a candy bar

Okay. Good now. :wink:

I do not like chocolate and am allergic to peanut butter!

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I do not like chocolate and am allergic to peanut butter!

Wait. What's a candy bar without chocolate?

I'm! Not sure

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I really dislike post 98 here
"I want town vibes"
like you gotta earn them yourself
also seems like lazy scum

what would scum gain from requesting town vibes? Do you think I would just hand them over

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you literally asked for a candy bar for town vibes?

we get a little silly with it

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it's code for getting a little silly with it

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i’m confused why there isn’t much discussion about my wagon when four people are on it

do you have anything to say about your wagon

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you literally asked for a candy bar for town vibes?

we get a little silly with it

i wonder if it’s code for something

does this relate to people on your wagon Knowing

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I am posting too much at least

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this

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as in we got this current conversation out of it lol. It's not like Cook is going to get lolhammered right now probably

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doubt a townie would have lolhammered anyhow

yah

Either way this one is suspect of the wagon getting so far so fast on so little reasoning to vote.

this is reasonable!

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this is so awesome
VOTE: Fire vote irked me the most

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getting down to business lol

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well 118 has been bugging me cuz it's a weird reason to suspect someone with an even weirder timing since Happy started facing heat there. Feels kinda like an attempt to redirect attention

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well 118 has been bugging me cuz it's a weird reason to suspect someone with an even weirder timing since Happy started facing heat there. Feels kinda like an attempt to redirect attention

redirect attention?

like trying to change the topic of discussion to something other than himself. Happy getting all emotional makes me think he might've started panicking like he thought he painted himself into a corner that he couldn't get out of (probably more perceived than actual though lol)

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fair lol

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Hi, sorry, I've been reading and meaning to post but the pace of posts was a lot higher than expected. As for my vote on Cook, I just did it because I know a cook in real life and I don't like them. That was literally it.

lol you don't really need to justify rvs

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btw Katy can you get an avatar? It's easier to remember who made what post for me if you have one lol

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It's also a lot easier to point the finger at people when you were off the wagon.

wouldn't this also make you dislike Erinys

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You already voted lol. This one's response is pretty simple, you're grasping at straws. You still feel like chasing mis elims. Perhaps you don't want to push too many towns. Regardless nothing you say has any sense behind it, in regards to this one.

can you elaborate on what you don't like about Italiano's logic?

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You already voted lol. This one's response is pretty simple, you're grasping at straws. You still feel like chasing mis elims. Perhaps you don't want to push too many towns. Regardless nothing you say has any sense behind it, in regards to this one.

can you elaborate on what you don't like about Italiano's logic?

Logic?

lol

You already voted lol. This one's response is pretty simple, you're grasping at straws. You still feel like chasing mis elims. Perhaps you don't want to push too many towns. Regardless nothing you say has any sense behind it, in regards to this one.

can you elaborate on what you don't like about Italiano's logic?

you literally asked for a candy bar for town vibes?
scum would gain a precious day of survival for doing this, given that we don't know the setups, you may be a doc, a cop, a jk, whatever, it would also kinda stop you from using an investigative role on them, or would encourage you to use a protective role on them.

We were vibing and just flowing with the thread.

these two posts
defending each other, buddying early in-game
rubs me the wrong way

well this is a little ironic!
I think it's a reasonable point tbh especially since I was supecting Italiano of trying to pocket me. I saw some merit in Asri's view and I wanted them to elaborate while not like, letting Italiano know that the pocketing failed.
VOTE: Italiano

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pushing invis now
hi
answer my questions here
-what did you learn of the cook wagon?
-do you townread italiano here, and why? I have a suspicion of you two buddying here, what do you say about it?
-whose post do you hate most in this game? (excluding openers so you can't use hu tao's opener as the answer)
-who you suspecting the most? can be more than one, give short reasons/quotes why

cool
hi
okay
-there was probably scum on it which other people have already been over. Ausuka's posts about it have felt pretty reasonable so I think she's kinda towny. Like Ausuka's 157 was reasonable though I don't know how much I agree with it. Ausuka's vote was probably the best justified lol. I have mixed feelings on Cook but her being the target of this wagon probably suggests town
-no. He was trying to buddy me probably.
-128 cuz it really rubbed me the wrong way. It didn't put forth any new content and it just existed to express agreement. Plus a lot Italiano's posts around it seemed like it was trying to butter me up. Also why would I use Hu Tao's opener lol
-Italiano and I already said why lolz

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Can you elaborate on why you think that was pocketing?

yeah sure
I could see why our candy bar discussion would give Italiano the impression that we could be buddies (which I would be cool with in a not-game context but that's besides the point)
126 and 128 felt super unnecessary and seem more to buddy up than to actually move the game forward. They don't really serve town which brings the motivation behind them into question
I know Italiano said 127's "we" was referring to everyone and not just us two (130) but part of me doesn't believe that since it makes less sense to be referring to the whole group and actually even if it was the people in question were us two so it doesn't really matter. It feels like Italiano wanted to group us together.

Hmm. Somebody here is scum.

I like HighPrincess and Invisibility for town. It's just a certain townie tone to their posts, especially Invisibility.

I also feel like Italiano handed me this TR too easily considering he had a group of four suspects

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Invis is my mason buddy. Stop playing Invis.

no???

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what

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why they're copying my speech pattern, actually

what do you mean by this

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#397 strikes differently to me.

how so?

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is Erinys talking about Asri referring to themself as "this one"?

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Yeah now that this one is ISOing him and remembers the Italiano "i want town vibes" and... ahem... candybargate incidents, this one is not feeling super good about Italiano. He seems to just openly want to be townread without giving a reason and to buddy up with Invis in particular? For some reason?

how do you feel about Italiano's interactions with Ausuka?

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Weird post

how so?

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Weird post

how so?

there's this weirdness I can't explain in it. like why would you comment on other's thoughts on claim w/o having a thought on claim yourself

oh that's easy. I don't know what to think about the claim right now lol and I'm currently voting Italiano off of previous stuff. Don't worry. The thoughts are slow roasting

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I was going to say cooking instead of slow roasting but then I realized that sounded like a pun but now I realize that sounds dumb

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I'm done cooking (it's a pun this time)
380 is probably the most opportunistic vote if Italiano is town. Maybe even if Italiano scum.

Spoiler: many quotes

VOTE: HighPrincessErinys

I like this post

how come?

iamveryhappy is either shitposting scum or is town pr

iamveryhappy is either shitposting scum or is town pr

Still, don't you feel that erynis and happy are aligned?

says who?

Really don't know what Asri's gameplan is in general, or why they're copying my speech pattern, actually.

i'm curious about that too.

Asri, answer for this.

these posts feel like a whole lot of nothing and I haven't been particularly impressed with most of Cook's play today. I especially don't like 449 cuz I thought 443 was kind of a weird shade and I think Cook just agreeing with it feels wrong (I think that exchange reflects poorly on Erinys too, but worse on Cook cuz it's a weird angle to look at someone from but even weirder to follow it I think). Plus I'm not sure how Asri was meant to answer there? It feels more like Cook saw an opportunity to dig at someone cuz I'm not sure what usefulness town could get from this interrogation or whatever.

pedit:

The happy vote and Erynis sus on Italiano seem ok to you?

they don't!

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I forgot to vote Cook! Pun ruined! VOTE: Cook

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I was going to say cooking instead of slow roasting but then I realized that sounded like a pun but now I realize that sounds dumb

Why are you town?

both of my parents were town and most of my extended family

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they don't!

well the Happy vote isn't as bad in my eyes as the Erinys vote

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Yeah now that this one is ISOing him and remembers the Italiano "i want town vibes" and... ahem... candybargate incidents, this one is not feeling super good about Italiano. He seems to just openly want to be townread without giving a reason and to buddy up with Invis in particular? For some reason?

this post is a big reason why I don't like Erinys's vote either. The points just repeat stuff other people said while presenting them as original thought. Also I think the first reason isn't even good and it doesn't dig into why Italiano's buddying of me in particular is interesting. That feels very suspicious cuz it feels like it used my point without realizing that like, Italiano's buddying is interesting to me cuz I know I'm town and have a reason to think it's pocketing. Erinys doesn't justify why this should be interesting to it.

pedit:
oh I thought it did. Whatever. Doesn't really matter

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unrelated but this one. thinks its solved the asri mystery after it saw they were indeed speaking like this one in prior games. huhn.

why did you think they were copying you to begin with lol

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lole yeah they just also talk like that

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has Happy really been that wacky and nonsensical? Yeah, candybargate was weird, but I haven't gotten the impression that he's been like, zany and wacky.

I just mean that it seems internally inconsistent, which could be deliberate on his part but definitely seems scummy to me.

could you elaborate on what you mean by "internally inconsistent"?

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man Go is a game I haven't played competitively in a while… miss it
studies>hobbies anyways
If I hadn't quit I might be around 3-4 dan, two years ago (since my last real competitive match over the board) I was 1 dan for context
now I probably have the skill level of a 8 kyu
sigh

I love Go :O but no one in my area seems to play it and all the servers that I've tried are mostly correspondence games that play out over a long time lol

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man Go is a game I haven't played competitively in a while… miss it
studies>hobbies anyways
If I hadn't quit I might be around 3-4 dan, two years ago (since my last real competitive match over the board) I was 1 dan for context
now I probably have the skill level of a 8 kyu
sigh

I love Go :O but no one in my area seems to play it and all the servers that I've tried are mostly correspondence games that play out over a long time lol

have you tried OGS?

I have but it's mostly correspondence games that I've been able to get

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has Happy really been that wacky and nonsensical? Yeah, candybargate was weird, but I haven't gotten the impression that he's been like, zany and wacky.

I just mean that it seems internally inconsistent, which could be deliberate on his part but definitely seems scummy to me.

could you elaborate on what you mean by "internally inconsistent"?

Sure. What I mean is like how he got mad at Italiano for a "look at me I'm town post" then runs around saying things like how he is confirmed town (conoftown?). I think there was another instance I was thinking of when I wrote the post but I'm not at home right now and I can't remember it anymore.

I'm pretty sure Italiano did a "can I get townvibes" post :p
I'm not mad, just suspicious of it.
Clearly saying I am cowonftown is a bsed opinion that others might not agree on, and look at the owo I put in there. It's clearly not to be taken seriously.
Asking for townvibes is a different thing tho because you are actively asking for townvibes which seems like lazy scum to me.

I'm getting the impression that Happy is like thinking through stuff and is probably town here

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Early on when everyone was fluffposting Invis interacted with me in a way that I thought was loose and fun which I don’t think scum would/could be able to maintain.

have I maintained this

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i'm still not totally convinced on italiano, but the claim walkback is a face-saver in my book

what do you mean? What else would Italiano do there?

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i'm still not totally convinced on italiano, but the claim walkback is a face-saver in my book

really hate this post
like
the u-turn is really the thing that makes it worse
"I did it to show how much invis is town or smth"
why can't you just do it the normal way and NOT claim mason in the first place

ill let cook respond but that isn't how i interpreted that post

not that it makes him townier to me

, but that the play was made to

try to regain towncred

hope this helps

as in Italiano claimed mason to gain towncred or retracted the claim to gain towncred?

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retracted it, after you disproved it

again, what else would Italiano do in this situation? Seems kinda obvious that Italiano would retract the claim after it was disproven cuz otherwise he would be megadead. I don't know how it gains towncred other than being the choice that doesn't get him dead immediately and so I don't see why that was even worth mentioning

pedit: yes what Fire said

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retracted it, after you disproved it

again, what else would Italiano do in this situation? Seems kinda obvious that Italiano would retract the claim after it was disproven cuz otherwise he would be megadead. I don't know how it gains towncred other than being the choice that doesn't get him dead immediately and so I don't see why that was even worth mentioning

pedit: yes what Fire said

i'm just bamboozled why you would fakeclaim masons with someone who isn't even your scumpartner unless you're, say

trying to deliberately distance

but i don't think that's what's happening here

that still doesn't answer my question :P

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I'm not asking for Italiano's thought process. I'm wondering why you brought it up the towncred thing in the first place

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hi Erinys

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To me it feels like Invisibility is doing more this game than she normally does. I don't really know what a scum Invisibility game looks like but I've seen a few of her town games now, and in those games I don't remember her providing so much analysis. To me it feels like she's trying to get townread here when I didn't really get that vibe from her other games

bruh

maybe I am doing more though cuz I started using confessional PTs again. Otherwise I would just like, forget things.

(tangent but what I post in the confessional PT is just how I would post in 2019 LOL)

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bruh

maybe I am doing more though cuz I started using confessional PTs again. Otherwise I would just like, forget things

Ok. This doesn't really make me feel any better about you but I appreciate the context

it wasn't a defense cuz I think your meta read is just silly LOL. Sure you could argue that I'm trying too hard but I don't think merely being more productive justifies that claim enough.

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kentucky kentucky fried chicken

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bruh

maybe I am doing more though cuz I started using confessional PTs again. Otherwise I would just like, forget things

Ok. This doesn't really make me feel any better about you but I appreciate the context

it wasn't a defense cuz I think your meta read is just silly LOL. Sure you could argue that I'm trying too hard but I don't think merely being more productive justifies that claim enough.

You think it's silly but you agree with me that your play has been different this game and you're trying harder?

I think I'm trying just as hard. I didn't notice that my play was different either, but I could see why that might be the case. I meant that arguing from the angle that I was trying too hard could be reasonable if it were justified with more justifiable justifications. I don't see why any of this makes it inconsistent for me to think it's silly

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your argument feels like "Vizzy is wearing a purple hat when she usually wears a green one. She must be scum". And note that it is entirely within my abilities to wear differently colored hats

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your argument feels like "Vizzy is wearing a purple hat when she usually wears a green one. She must be scum". And note that it is entirely within my abilities to wear differently colored hats

or at least I believe it to be. Ok wait nvm this metaphor sucks. You haven't adequately argued why an increased amount of productivity suggests I'm scum. Just because I agree that my play might be different doesn't mean I have to agree that it's scummy or whatever

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If you don't think your play is that different

didn't say this lol

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I said I didn't notice it, but I realized why it might be the case

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your argument feels like "Vizzy is wearing a purple hat when she usually wears a green one. She must be scum". And note that it is entirely within my abilities to wear differently colored hats

This is a bad representation of my argument. My meta read is only part of my scumread on you. I definitely don't think a change in playstyle is enough by itself to think someone is scum

yeah I know there's the Fire thing (also I agree it is a bad representation LOL. It did not convey the message I wanted to convey) Do you have any other reasons?

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If you don't think your play is that different

didn't say this lol

Then I guess I'm just misunderstanding you. I'm sorry

oh ok well let me try to put it in a unified and sensical way. I think I am prone to making no sense

I didn't notice any difference in my playstyle myself, but I understood why that might be the case. I don't think your claim is strong enough to demonstrate anything AI

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My meta read is only part of my scumread on you.

what made you think I thought this was your entire read?

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the fact that italianovd is getting away w/ smth this outrageous is really annoying

is this all you care about now

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Why would you not vote for me here if you are this convinced I'm scum?

lol

My meta read is only part of my scumread on you.

what made you think I thought this was your entire read?

Your analogy. I don't think you "must be scum" based on my meta read

What are your thoughts on Ausuka?

I feel like that's more of a strength of specific read than entire case thing but whatevs. Also I can't remember you expressing all that much else anyway so forgive me for thinking there's more stock inside the yummy Vizzy metaread soup.

I think Ausuka is town

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I don't really put too much stock into meta reads. It's mostly gut why I think scum!Invis would try harder than town!Invis

I don't like what Black's doing here. Her misunderstanding how I felt about my play was probably genuine and not intentional misrep (and therefore not AI) but it still feels scummy from that viewpoint. I tell her that her claim isn't justified enough but she focuses on how I feel about my play as if it's a given that if I'm being more productive or whatever then I am scummy (as in, she argues on these grounds and not on the grounds of justification cuz the play thing implies justification). When she does justify the read itself, it's not very solid. I think Black made an argument, found that she had no grounds to argue on, and tried to argue in a different location to still put up a fight.

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I think Ausuka is town

Why?

I feel like she's been approaching this game pretty reasonable in a way that suggests genuine solving.

I think Ausuka is town

Why?

Because you're pushing her.

why did you say this before I had expressed suspicion of Black?

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This one apologizes for just kinda floating around in the background for a while now, it's just kinda lost the plot it thinks and it's probably not gonna be until D2 that it gets a fresh ball rolling, maybe.

do you have any thoughts on maybe the last three pages?

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why did you say this before I had expressed suspicion of Black?

Chose to.

bluh

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I think Invis feels better after our exchange.

what about the exchange?

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wow

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If you really are town then him casting shade on you doesn't seem like a good reason to townread him at all

I wonder when fire's going to come in and call you scum for saying this. I can't wait

why're you being all coy here

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wait I misread stuff and now I am confused

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To me it feels like you threw this in about feeling better about fire because you wanted to dispute the point I made about you not having anywhere to look if Cook is town. The reasoning doesn't make sense though and I don't believe you actually had that thought about fire being townie because he could have been right about you. If you really are town then him casting shade on you doesn't seem like a good reason to townread him at all

how does a Fire TR give Ausuka places to look

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I think Cook is still most likely scum lol. I don't think she's done anything to demonstrate towniness. The ate was whatever

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curious take

That's it?

i mean i haven't been thinking about s_s much this game. been a little occupied defending my slot

do you have thoughts now

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this was a half-joking question asking you why you were wasting time answering my shitposts

Well, it might help people understand me to explain that my limiting factor is certainly not time-- I have plenty of time, and those responses didn't take much time. It's really just brainpower/attention, it's hard for me to devote more than a certain amount of that, especially when I know it will be for little reward.

If you want to see more solving from me, the best way is to engage me on particular topics of interest. That way I can be sure someone will actually care about what I say.

what did you/do you have to say about black's read of you?

also S_S already said things about Black's read on him. What are you hoping to get out of this question?

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or more specifically what are you hoping to get that you wouldn't already get out of the conversation between Black and S_S

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why play the game when you could get in complicated tangents that have nothing to do with solving

you could also just awkwardly orbit the game after getting your soul drained by it like me

are you okay

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or more specifically what are you hoping to get that you wouldn't already get out of the conversation between Black and S_S

a nice summary because i am sometimes Low Effort

also because if someone summarizes something it tells me what's important to them, or, more importantly, what they

want

me to see as important

now we're getting into wifom shit. this is where convoluted arguments happen and interaction is generated. and you know what interaction generates?

wagons

cool I guess but idk if you'll get that since it just happened lol

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idk it just happens

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What do you think of the reactions you got?

tbh I was mainly looking for a reaction from Black, I didn't really get much of a reaction from her. Cook's reaction felt weird tonally but that's it. Asri's reaction was interesting because she suddenly got way more assertive about her read on Black. Previously she had expressed a scumread on Black, but only when I voted Black did Asri vote Black. It seems like Asri was trying to pocket me and/or was reluctant to vote Black for fear of getting pushback.

Do you think Asri's play this game looks like a player who shies away from doing things for fear of getting pushback? Why would she feel that way about something like voting Black but not going all topsy-turvy on Italiano or whatever?

Yeah, you're probably right about this tbh. Still, it doesn't make sense to me why Asri suddenly got very forceful with her Black scumread

do you think it was scummy?

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like this is to everyone voting Asri I fail to see the scum intent and policying is silly

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I think Hu Tao is probably town here. Black was a little scummy for our whole effort exchange but after long and intense deliberation I have decided it is "small potatoes" and I'm not gonna place Black in the scumbin. Italiano's claim kinda made me think he might actually be town since he sort of justified it but I kept going back and forth and I decided to just ignore it cuz it's either ballsy town or ballsy scum lolz. Also Cook and Black suspecting him gave me pause but I think Black isn't scummy anymore and Cook's stuff like 579 is weird and kinda noncommittal. Could easily see partnership there. I will have to think about what it means for Cook to be sticking to it and then relenting after she realized she was painting herself into a corner or something cuz I thought I first that indicated nonpartnered scumminess. Either way we should lim Cook I think lolz

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Wow smh. I am so dumb sometimes... I see the vote now -_-

I've just been there so long LOL

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isn't hunting scum town's way to work together so whatever

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interestion
I think that's like the first time anyone has to say anoything about voting T3
that or I'm blind

people have been saying things

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but then lately i was thinking that he's fallen off a bit and has felt more passive and reactive. the continued push on cook doesn't really feel that much like he's continuously trying to sort her based on new information, feels like he's kinda already decided

I could definitely pick up the slack wrt to other slots lol but I think in Cook's case there's not a whole lot of new information to sort with. It's kind of part of the reason I am so suspicious of her is that her posts seem like nothing. And I'm not counting 1242 cuz that felt like more of the same but long. We might see some more conclusive conclusions from her when she reads the other half of the game

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can you explain what you liked about her reread post

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oh yeah true I didn't think about it that way
VOTE: Italiano ok sure Cook gets to live to D2 for that I think

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bruh not cool
hu tao now officially enters the list of who I really wanna lim but slightly after ausuka italiano and asri

why

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I would still vote Cook if the wagon comes to that since the post wasn't that townie lol

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No chance in hell we read this entire thing before the deadline so we're just gonna read from post 1000 onward. Anything anyone needs from us before that?

-Nameless

hi guys also idk

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I only said that because you really can't use townmeta/scummeta on me
reasons are below
1. I haven't rolled scum yet
2. You don't even know my normal meta
3. no trolling is not my normal meta, it just comes together as a deal like you know the sauces from the chicken mcnuggets
4. I can change meta by reading through shit ppl like snekwaza said
5. just hunt normally

This is a scumslip

I wonder if this interaction (and iavd and Ausuka's in general) are opposite team or a little theatrical?

what makes you think it's one of those two?

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oh well I was wondering if something in the convo discounted tvt but that's fair lol

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Italiano claimed to be masons with me. He's not and then he retracted it. He explained his reasons later which you can look for lolz

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Invis is my mason buddy. Stop playing Invis.

Lol, nah me and Invis are not Masons, I repeat me and Invis are NOT masons. I do townread them though. Sometimes in these games with as much deception and uncertainty that there is you have to choose to trust people. I’m choosing my to trust Invis. Take from that what you will.

there were further explanations which you can find

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VOTE: Cook lol

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VOTE: Cook lol

really bad idea and this is a scummy vote…

how
I am sus of you and the day is almost over. I think it makes sense to vote you if a wagon is building on you even if you're not my first choice

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the line sorta makes sense if she was trying to bait the NK. I think Cook is most likely scum claiming truthfully though lol

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Wow ok a lot happened. I think Cook's frustration with the wagon at the very start of D1 makes a little more sense now.

why? It's not like she was in any danger of getting limmed then

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with the day being about to end I'd say so

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Flower's vote must be finely scrutinized Erynis did not fully feel like town despite many people seeming okay with everything here.

This one is unimpressed by T3. T3 is parked on smart but not hunting. T3 is pulling the 'Black is town card' which at this point is a great way to discredit Ausuka regardless of Black's alignment.

T3 seems happy with the Cook elim and stays away from thread to draw no further sus. Already made the retroactive Cook can be scum read for self preservation here.

Probably someone looking to hammer Cook.

wdym "retroactive Cook can be scum read for sec preservation"?

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self*

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Flower's vote must be finely scrutinized Erynis did not fully feel like town despite many people seeming okay with everything here.

This one is unimpressed by T3. T3 is parked on smart but not hunting. T3 is pulling the 'Black is town card' which at this point is a great way to discredit Ausuka regardless of Black's alignment.

T3 seems happy with the Cook elim and stays away from thread to draw no further sus. Already made the retroactive Cook can be scum read for self preservation here.

Probably someone looking to hammer Cook.

wdym "retroactive Cook can be scum read for sec preservation"?

Describe T3's progression on Cook throughout the game then.

this isn't a defense I'm asking for clarification. Though I think I understand now lol I was confused

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yeah I see it now and I think that's compelling enough to let Cook live until tomorrow VOTE: T3

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but then lately i was thinking that he's fallen off a bit and has felt more passive and reactive. the continued push on cook doesn't really feel that much like he's continuously trying to sort her based on new information, feels like he's kinda already decided

I noticed this too and filed it away into the back of my mind. When I saw that post from Invisibility I thought that Invis/Cook could be s/s, but I don’t fully remember why. It kind of reminded me of a game when I was scum and I was trying to bus a partner but the wagon ran out of steam, but I had to keep going with my scumread otherwise it would look weird.

trying to setup a lim on me after we lim your partner!! Bleh!!!

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but then lately i was thinking that he's fallen off a bit and has felt more passive and reactive. the continued push on cook doesn't really feel that much like he's continuously trying to sort her based on new information, feels like he's kinda already decided

I noticed this too and filed it away into the back of my mind. When I saw that post from Invisibility I thought that Invis/Cook could be s/s, but I don’t fully remember why. It kind of reminded me of a game when I was scum and I was trying to bus a partner but the wagon ran out of steam, but I had to keep going with my scumread otherwise it would look weird.

trying to setup a lim on me after we lim your partner!! Bleh!!!

looks like this especially since T3 pulled this rabbit out of his hat only after people had already expressed suspicion of me and he doesn't really present any new ideas here

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btw since I've seen basically nothing from T3 what's the case there? I find it pretty sus that Invis and Ausuka both think Cook's gigascum and then vote the biggest counterwagon instead just cause they want Rolecop results

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more so from the stuff Fire said about Cook makes her townie enough to vote someone else

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Okay, so I agree that Cook can be resolved later so let’s not today.

UNVOTE: Cook

So there were compelling arguments to let Cook be resolved later, which I understand, but scum want that extra day and the way Cook said (In paraphrasing) “just give me another day and I’ll show you” or something is just scummy. I’m going with my head here. I’ve been burned plenty of times by wonky mechanics and I’d just rather not.

VOTE: Cook

I’m staying here.

If it gets me killed then so be it, I’ve always said I don’t need to be alive for town to win.

nvm Italiano is the scummiest VOTE: Italiano

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btw since I've seen basically nothing from T3 what's the case there? I find it pretty sus that Invis and Ausuka both think Cook's gigascum and then vote the biggest counterwagon instead just cause they want Rolecop results

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more so from the stuff Fire said about Cook makes her townie enough to vote someone else

Is Italiano right? You're not scum together?

no I think he's scum without even inviting me :(

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Of course I can only be 100% sure of myself. Invis is pretty high up on the town scale, but if they’re scum, then hey they’ve played a great game so far and I don’t mind losing there.

it doesn't feel like you've even tried to sort invis at all since what was basically rvs vibes

where is the confidence coming from

the statement about "they've played a great game so far and I don't mind losing there" feels out of place for what seems like basically a vibe read

I think he's playing it up on purpose lol

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Of course I can only be 100% sure of myself. Invis is pretty high up on the town scale, but if they’re scum, then hey they’ve played a great game so far and I don’t mind losing there.

it doesn't feel like you've even tried to sort invis at all since what was basically rvs vibes

where is the confidence coming from

the statement about "they've played a great game so far and I don't mind losing there" feels out of place for what seems like basically a vibe read

Yeah I said what I said and I meant what I said. If they are scum, I believe they have played like town to a point where I would not mind losing to them. Don’t see how that’s out of place.

how do you feel about Asri's vote on me?

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what makes you so confident that he's town tho

there has to be more than vibes

My experience. And I’ve already said why and to just say it’s ‘RVS’ or ‘vibes’ is a gross misrep.

am I correct in thinking that the reason is that I'm playing "loose and fun"?

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That was the start of the townlean yes. As the day progressed and more things happened I had more to sort from you and it solidified it to a strong townread.

This was responding to 1529

I don't think you've really explained how you sorted me. If I missed it I apologize

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what am I the one doing diversions

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what am I the one doing diversions

Right now if town play really well and discover exactly who the diversions are we'll be very near a solve state.

okay that's cool I guess

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That was the start of the townlean yes. As the day progressed and more things happened I had more to sort from you and it solidified it to a strong townread.

This was responding to 1529

I don't think you've really explained how you sorted me. If I missed it I apologize

Yeah I don’t really do it for my townreads. 718 was probably the towniest post. I read tonally and Injust don’t see why scum would say what you said here. It’s open and transparent which scum don’t want to be.

I don't think you should proclaim to townread me this strongly without justification cuz there's been some reasons people have scumread me that seemingly contradict why you TR me but you seem to just avoid speaking on them. Posts like 1519 felt like deflections more than anything.

but tbh I think Italiano's move here is to play up a bad TR on me cuz people already think we're S/S and if Italiano is today's lim (which is likely) then that implicates me but his TR isn't likely to convince anyone to not vote me if they wanted to cuz it hasn't got much meat to it

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What is this “you don’t scumread me therefore you must be scum or I’m sus of you” I’ve been seeing in this game lately? I haven’t played in like 2 years, but I don’t remember it being like this last time I was here. It’s been this way all three games I’ve played since I’ve been back.

I don’t care if other people scumread you, I don’t and I’ve made it clear why I don’t. If you or people don’t like or vibe with that, it’s not a me problem. Sorry if it sounds rude or flippant, but it’s just kinda annoying when I’m trying to sort people and I got them saying “you townread me, you can’t do that, you’re supposed to scumread me.”

that's not what I'm saying :P

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Anyone considering voting outside of Cook/Ausuka/Italiano should figure out which of these 3 claimed roles we yeet today. We're not running a 4th person up to claim

I agree with this 100%

i am kinda confused why italiano if scum would claim unprompted which basically only accomplishes ensuring that the limpool is him+ausuka+cook

maybe points to 2 scum in the pool actually, and hoping that if one goes down people will see the others as relatively clear? idk

like scum!Italiano hopped on to have one of the scum cleared if either gets limmed?

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btw since I've seen basically nothing from T3 what's the case there? I find it pretty sus that Invis and Ausuka both think Cook's gigascum and then vote the biggest counterwagon instead just cause they want Rolecop results

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more so from the stuff Fire said about Cook makes her townie enough to vote someone else

confused by this

you were initially compelled by it (1305) but then pretty soon after said "could still vote cook the post wasn't that townie lol" (1315) and then did vote cook again

but this is giving an explanation for why you unvoted the second time, which i don't think had anything to do with what i said, since you had already decided that wasn't enough to keep your vote off cook

the second unvote seems like it was inspired by what asri said around 1485

idk i guess this isn't that scummy bc i think the vote switch still was fairly supported but it is kinda weird to lose track of your own progression and thoughts like this

no I kept track I just worded it poorly lol. I meant like, I saw more town possibility in Cook than in T3. It was definitely inspired by what Asri said lol

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This post starts off by Ausuka saying "I wanted to give Cook a chance to answer my questions first but it doesn't seem like she's interested in doing that". This is a misrepresentation of what happened in 121 and 135 above. After Ausuka voted for Cook in 121, Ausuka voted for Cook before Cook ever posted, 13 minutes later. Here she's claiming she joined the wagon because Cook never responded to her, and this is incorrect.

ngl 1584 and 1589 felt kinda townie to me like genuine frustration and I think this point especially from Black (and also Black's post in general) is good VOTE: Ausuka

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didn't we say something about limming in the claims

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Day 1 Votecount 16

Hu Tao (4):

Black, Ausuka, Flower, fireisredsir

Ausuka (3):

ItalianoVD, Hu Tao, Cook

ItalianoVD (3):

iamveryhappy, Invisibility, Arsi Teroka

Something_Smart (1):

T3

Cook (1):

KatyKimFanClub

Not Voting (1):

Something_Smart

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

There are (expired on 2023-06-20 13:00:00) remaining.

I'm voting Ausuka

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yup

my mistake, fixed

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You tell us this because? Asri has some guesses.

was your guess that the vote on the vc was wrong

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i'd rather hu than me but jesus

christ

is flower looking scummy right now

VOTE: hu tao

what do you find scummy about Flower's vote?

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i'd rather hu than me but jesus

christ

is flower looking scummy right now

VOTE: hu tao

what do you find scummy about Flower's vote?

what i'm finding scummy about flower is that from the moment they replaced in they pretty much locked in on me, and then after my claim and after hearing all the deliberation regarding

why

it's a bad idea to toss me out specifically today,

especially

right after two other PR claims show up, Flower locks in trying to get me out today.

what i'm now thinking is that scum weren't informed. they never were. but they saw an opportunity to try to kill a flailer and pushed the narrative such that the focus of discussion was me, and not one of their partners. look back and see if anyone is consistently pressured before i get brought back up as a person.

once i claimed, that was the icing on the cake. "an unkillable investigative that doesn't let us fake pr claim (or maybe who would find out a really scummy role on our team) who looks extremely sus? we HAVE to get this out in broad daylight". so that, narrative-wise, makes a lot of sense when the line being taken is "cook got a scummy role. cook is a scummy player. run up cook on a wagon. cook claims scummy role. ez mislim and now we have the advantage."

yeah okay I can see that
I had a few misgivings about Erinys but I've been having trouble determining much from Flower's posting lol

pedit: wow ok sure

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idk how that's evasive but whatevs

pedit: to Asri lol

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i'd rather hu than me but jesus

christ

is flower looking scummy right now

VOTE: hu tao

what do you find scummy about Flower's vote?

Flower is voting for cook near deadline, urging flashwagon on claimed rolecop. Natural town response is to find this scummy if cook town, yes? This one wonders if you're scum with Flower.

I was trying to gauge what kinda panic was going on there like if Cook had a more justified reason (which I think there was since it involved the bigger picture or whatever) rather than something more survivalistic

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sure

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i'd rather hu than me but jesus

christ

is flower looking scummy right now

VOTE: hu tao

what do you find scummy about Flower's vote?

Flower is voting for cook near deadline, urging flashwagon on claimed rolecop. Natural town response is to find this scummy if cook town, yes? This one wonders if you're scum with Flower.

I was trying to gauge what kinda panic was going on there like if Cook had a more justified reason (which I think there was since it involved the bigger picture or whatever) rather than something more survivalistic

As town you would be suspecting Flower here. If Ausuka is town, bad for you. If scum, you're not cleared.

If fire or italiano flip scum people also aught to look at you.

why should I necessarily suspect Flower?

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oh my god are we doing this again

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oh my god are we doing this again

No one else seems to be doing much so what exactly is your issue?

like the snarky back and forth lol. It's so lame

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i'd rather hu than me but jesus

christ

is flower looking scummy right now

VOTE: hu tao

what do you find scummy about Flower's vote?

Flower is voting for cook near deadline, urging flashwagon on claimed rolecop. Natural town response is to find this scummy if cook town, yes? This one wonders if you're scum with Flower.

I was trying to gauge what kinda panic was going on there like if Cook had a more justified reason (which I think there was since it involved the bigger picture or whatever) rather than something more survivalistic

As town you would be suspecting Flower here. If Ausuka is town, bad for you. If scum, you're not cleared.

If fire or italiano flip scum people also aught to look at you.

why should I necessarily suspect Flower?

Post timing. If you're voting Ausuka you should be quite suspicious of Flower at this point. As this is not the case, worlds where Aus is town and you scum come into consideration, though not as heavily.

The one counterpoint to aus/flower is the visible synergy.

I wasn't really sure what to think of the unvote considering Flower had stated in no uncertain terms their intent to vote Cook given any opportunity lol. Though I guess that does bring the Hu Tao vote into question more than anything

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are we at the point of the day where we just need to lim somebody

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Do you think we aren't? We have two and a half hours

I didn't know if we were at a point where compromise voting had to happen yet
I would rather not vote Hu Tao if I don't have to

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alright, i listened to everyone’s feedback and all and decided to rolecop black. she’s tracker

I don't know if revealing my role right away was the best play but I could be wrong. Maybe I'm just not a fan of being outed like this

We still kill Cook here since she's scum Rolecop, Black since you're outed can you fullclaim?

I think I'd like to keep my result secret for now. I'll reveal it before the day ends just in case I'm the N2 target

yeah maybe should have thought that through a little more

my b

why did you reveal Black role here?

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@mod: v/la until tuesday

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@mod: v/la until monday I mean sorry whoops

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Everyone elses eyes have glazed over.

yeah

I'm trash at setup spec so I can only understand so much but I think I do not believe the ascetic claim. It was more likely a trueclaim as scum if a vig exists (which people have already said lol). I would vote but I don't wanna e-1 when I'm not gonna be here for a bit

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Question for the people who aren't voting for proposing an alternative: What *is* the alternative?
@T3
@Invis
@fireisred
@black

I just didn't wanna put Cook at e-1 while I was on v/la since I wouldn't be able to unvote if I needed to for whatever reason. Also scum quickhammering is a thing that they do or whatever

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I kinda forgot Invis existed, he hadn't posted in a while

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soz I can't contribute much to mech conversation

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rethinking of it I might not believe that tracker claim at all judging on cook flip
assuming cook is scum I don't think that you can just play it cool like that admitting to be tracker while outed, and feels like a bit forced
that is where I'm coming from and I am concerned about it
also you said you would claim target and result, what is it?

why would scumpartners Cook and Black have Cook fakeclaim for Black here

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so Italiano is more or less confscum cuz there's no way there's three town investigative roles and s_s is conftown and Flower basically is too right
I am still finding it difficult to contribute to the ongoing conversation lol

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should we be publicly sorting the people who aren't confirmed or should we wait to resolve a lim before doing that?

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when Italiano made that post both Katy and Happy expressed that they didn't TR Italiano so I think it was just joever and he wants to prevent further associatives like Fire said

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I trust Italiano to some extent.
If you want me to claim I should
Claim targets/actions @neapolitan

why did you trust Italiano here?

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yeah prob

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VOTE: Italiano

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why do we want to rush the day exactly

I think it's probably better to just end the day so scum don't have as much info off of which to decide the kill.

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though if there's not a consensus UNVOTE:

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italiano obviously wants to die and not say anything and just let his team go to next phase

yeah true

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VOTE: Italiano

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oh

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I hope that doesn't mean I threw

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I ended the day cuz I assumed the time for discussion was tomorrow like people had been saying

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I follow the will of the people

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I follow the will of the people

Who do you think is town then between fire/KKFC/happy?

I feel like Fire has been the most consistently townie in terms of stuff-doing. Katy hasn't really demonstrated townieness and Happy spent a lot of the game hyperfocusing on Italiano and wanting to claim the guts and the glory after the red flip which I guess dances into WIFOM territory but it also just felt weird and unnatural. I'm not sure what to think of Happy sussing Black but I feel most confident about Fire being town here

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I definitely feel more confident about Katy than Happy

cause like scumvis/KKFC team feels really weird to hammer like that with sus on the full team

wdym?

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dang I didn't even get a word in
gg everyone and thanks for modding Sheep

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I realized overNight that Happy was town and Fire was scum and I was hoping that I wouldn't get vig shot lol