Mini Normal 2303 [Postgame!!!!]

[Black]

Ausuka/Cook is

definitely

not t/t

[Black]

So both Cook and Ausuka voting me now.

Yeah they voted T3 together too. Which honestly makes me lean towards one of them being town and I think that's more likely to be Cook

[Ausuka]

I think we're safe to let Cook live to get a night result from her

literally doing the exact same thing you accuse me of doing

I think at this point what black is doing is beyond the pale of what i can excuse as coming from town and if you lim me today I would encourage you to at least look at both her and t3 d2. Obviously cook also needs to stay in consideration

I'm most of the way to being eliminated and deadline is p close and I'm prob going to leave in a bit so, I'm backup watcher

[Flower]

UNVOTE: Ausuka
VOTE: Cook

[Ausuka]

Italiano's vote on me is also really bad and his posts in general recently have been kinda sucky but it seems like you guys are on that

Fire is kinda ??? but I think definitely bears at least a closer look than what he's got so far

Unfortunately i still think flower slot is prob town, not really that sus of KKFC anymore, happy, asri and invis are probably town

[Ausuka]

Re the role discussion

Rolecop is a role which in isolation is scum most of the time and I think the reaction to the 1 shot bp rolecop claim being 'it's scummy' is natural, it was also my initial reaction. There *probably* is a main watcher, although I could also just be a named townie and that's possible, which does kinda seem like a point against the claim; because if a watcher targets the bp rolecop the mafia is kinda fucked. I think this could be worked around with mafia power and like, the existence of a watcher AND a backup watcher means mafia would like, basically have to have a ninja in which case a town rolecop existing does seem more likely? It's quite complicated but shrug

[Asri Teroka]

No invis vote on T3 read all kinds of wrong, not town.

[Asri Teroka]

Re the role discussion

Rolecop is a role which in isolation is scum most of the time and I think the reaction to the 1 shot bp rolecop claim being 'it's scummy' is natural, it was also my initial reaction. There *probably* is a main watcher, although I could also just be a named townie and that's possible, which does kinda seem like a point against the claim; because if a watcher targets the bp rolecop the mafia is kinda fucked. I think this could be worked around with mafia power and like, the existence of a watcher AND a backup watcher means mafia would like, basically have to have a ninja in which case a town rolecop existing does seem more likely? It's quite complicated but shrug

So Flower....

[Asri Teroka]

Also design-wise even if town 1-shot bp rolecop can be balanced how would you even get to the idea of it instead of something more normal? Like you'd start with

Town Rolecop

9x Vanilla Town

3x Mafia Goon

Then you have to give the Rolecop a scummy role to find so maybe Roleblocker or Ninja

Town Rolecop

9x Vanilla Town

Mafia Ninja

2x Mafia Goon

So to make the Ninja do stuff we'd then add a Watcher or Tracker

Town Rolecop

Town Tracker

8x Vanilla Town

Mafia Ninja

2x Mafia Goon

From here I don't see the logical progression to making the Rolecop 1-shot BP. There's no role or modifier there that makes me go "Oh yeah then make the rolecop 1-shot BP to make the setup make sense"

-Nameless

I mean you would need a strongman I think

Town Watcher
Town Backup Watcher
Town 1-shot Bulletproof Rolecop
Town Indecisive Doctor

Mafia 2-shot Ninja
Mafia 2-shot Strongman
Mafia 2-shot Roleblocker

I imagine you would just add roles that the strongman would be useful against and then go "lol let's make the rolecop bp"

I guess this is all just speculation

No not flower you. This post then.

Ok.

[ItalianoVD]

I was trying to keep this to myself as long as possible but I also am a power role.

This is why I didn’t believe Cook’s claim, but when a few said, (I’d have to go back and look at who it was) that rolecop wasn’t actually that strong I doubted myself and the fact I’m not good with mechanics made it more like huh.

The “If it gets me killed then so be it, I’ve always said I don’t need to be alive for town to win.” was purposely said to avoid people thinking I had a role, but I in fact do, my bad.

Black I think it’s just Cook here.

[Asri Teroka]

No.

[ItalianoVD]

To clarify, I am Town Odd Night Neapolitan.

[Invisibility]

That was the start of the townlean yes. As the day progressed and more things happened I had more to sort from you and it solidified it to a strong townread.

This was responding to 1529

I don't think you've really explained how you sorted me. If I missed it I apologize

[Asri Teroka]

There is diversions here. Time will only help town in this situation.

[Invisibility]

what am I the one doing diversions

[Asri Teroka]

what am I the one doing diversions

Right now if town play really well and discover exactly who the diversions are we'll be very near a solve state.

[Flower]

Can we just kill Cook already? Ausukas post claim reactions make sense with being Backup Watcher so I don't want that lim anymore and I trust the low power 5 billion restrictions on when you can PR from Italiano way more than I do Cook's gigarole when both would serve the same purpose in the game

-A

[Invisibility]

what am I the one doing diversions

Right now if town play really well and discover exactly who the diversions are we'll be very near a solve state.

okay that's cool I guess

[Black]

I think we're safe to let Cook live to get a night result from her

literally doing the exact same thing you accuse me of doing

I think at this point what black is doing is beyond the pale of what i can excuse as coming from town and if you lim me today I would encourage you to at least look at both her and t3 d2. Obviously cook also needs to stay in consideration

I'm most of the way to being eliminated and deadline is p close and I'm prob going to leave in a bit so, I'm backup watcher

Wrong. You were riding the fence on Cook before she even claimed, and you didn't even have a decent alternative when you were saying you didn't want to vote for her. You landed on T3 because it's easy and your pushes on everyone else failed. I'm cool with letting Cook live another day but that's partially because I'm convinced you're scum, so it's not the same at all

This doesn't track. Earlier you said my tunneling made you think I was town. Now suddenly you want to discredit me and shade me because traction against you is picking up? I don't buy it. Me tunneling even harder on you, creating and pushing your wagon from scratch, instead of taking the easy lim on Cook or Italiano shouldn't make you think I'm scummy here. You're only saying this to make me look bad because you don't want anyone else pushing you

Completely unnecessary claim. You only had 3 votes? With this claim we should definitely lim you though. Running anyone else up to a 3rd claim D1 would be a mistake

EBWOP: another claim? Wtf. We definitely lim Cook, Ausuka, or Italiano today. Obviously you all know which I choose

[Black]

Can we stop claiming? What the fuck

[ItalianoVD]

That was the start of the townlean yes. As the day progressed and more things happened I had more to sort from you and it solidified it to a strong townread.

This was responding to 1529

I don't think you've really explained how you sorted me. If I missed it I apologize

Yeah I don’t really do it for my townreads. 718 was probably the towniest post. I read tonally and Injust don’t see why scum would say what you said here. It’s open and transparent which scum don’t want to be.

[Asri Teroka]

Such haste.

At least give people time to read Black's post and everything else. Wanting a hammer with t3, hu tao and ss basically still lurking it out is not gonna make solving this easier.

[Black]

Can we just kill Cook already? Ausukas post claim reactions make sense with being Backup Watcher so I don't want that lim anymore and I trust the low power 5 billion restrictions on when you can PR from Italiano way more than I do Cook's gigarole when both would serve the same purpose in the game

-A

You actually believe this claim?

[Asri Teroka]

what am I the one doing diversions

Right now if town play really well and discover exactly who the diversions are we'll be very near a solve state.

okay that's cool I guess

Your T3 vote still feels bad.

[ItalianoVD]

VOTE: Cook