Tales of You (Endgame)

[Just Sheep Us]

He's not talking about the towniness of counterclaiming 90 pages later. He's talking about the towniness of not buying the counterclaim initially.

He asked "What kind of town accepts a CC that comes 90 pages later."

I asked the questions that *should* be the town thought process in thinking through such a decision.

Which would have made it obvious that CF is town.

I think seeing that is easier and therefore happens more quickly from the outside rather than from the inside though.

If anything, it should be easier if you're faking miller because you know that you're not a miller...

Not if you've been locked in a scumread and protracted wall-wars for most of the game, no.

Remember the indie upick? For me, it turned out to be one of the few games where I had a read I should have subsumed to setup spec. but the read was undeniable. and wrong. Even if I'd been right, theory said I should have unvoted.

We're not going to convince each other.

So what you're saying is.

You like to blatantly ignore theory and be objectively wrong about things.

Got it.

[Just Sheep Us]

I think both BRO and Desp are really, really incredibly town.[/quote

Did bro tell you he was going to telegraph the presence of your neighborhood to me?

I didn't catch it at the time, but that's what he did.

I never did this.

You're blatantly lying and so obviously trying to misdirect a mislynch onto me it hurts.

[Just Sheep Us]

Holy shit what the fuck did I just read.

[Just Sheep Us]

Like, seriously, fuck you guys.

I wasn't lying when I said this game was giving me an aneurysm.

I'm having an anxiety attack right now. It's the first one in about a year.

I seriously hate all of you

[Just Sheep Us]

Like, I'm trying to be logical to address points.

But I just can't/

I can't do anything right now.

[Just Sheep Us]

So, ffery, given your current read-state, how to you view the narrative of mastin/Titan/RDB/CF/FoxHound/AP/myself based on your reads (i.e., who's doing what in terms of actions?)

Right here - you posted this to the same goddamn player you crumbed the dethy to in Death's Diner.

You're reading into that wrong.

I always scum hunt by narrative.

Those were the core people of the game at that time.

Holy shit wtf am I doing.

[Just Sheep Us]

Shit Desp isn't on gchat.

I'm trying really hard to stay in this game.

I don't know how I'm still typing.

[Just Sheep Us]

Bro, you never replied to my post about your scumreading bad theory/illogic and why that's relevant to your "scum claim" argument.

ffery, I can barely type right now.

I'm lying in bead tryina to cath my beat.

I feel like I'm gonna collapse.

[Just Sheep Us]

unvote

What's going on?

This is the last post I'm making today. I'm calmed myself down enough to do this, but I can't stay in this game while it's like this. Desp might come in if he wants to.

I have issues with anxiety. Like, severe issues. I also have major issues with failure, especially that, for most of my life, I've been pretty to very successful in most things I've done.

It wasn't until college, when the rules changed pretty suddenly about what "success" meant, that I started falling flat on my face.

I can get into more detail about it with you on Skype later (I'm not posting this shit in a mafia game), but starting about 2 years ago, I started having issues with anxiety because of what I perceived to be a series of failures on my part. This got progressive worse through about a year ago, where I started getting panic attacks that were debilitating to the point that I couldn't even do basic school work.

I saw a therapist through last summer, and he helped me deal with a lot of that shit.

This game has caused me a lot of stress. RBD's been obvscum all game. it's not just the claim. It's been their entire approach to the game. From how they've been moving in lockstep with mastin, how they've trolled, how they've aggressively adhommed me and F-16 to hell and back (I've requested Cabd to warn them multiple times via Skype), and how they've dealt with the claim. All of it. It's beyond obvious to me, and it's been like running my cock through a meat grinder trying to get everyone else to see the same thing I'm seeing.

mastin's participation and constant emotional manipulation/borderline abuse towards things she knows make me tick and AP being strangely disconnected from me haven't helped, either.

Seeing the last few pages, seeing that this is going to be another Anything Goes where I'm fucking right but I'm basically losing to a popularity contest and a load of bullshit b/c I up certain aspects of my personality when I argue sent me into a major anxiety attack. I had to leave a social event (where I was reading from my phone) to try to get something down, but as I was posting, I was losing my ability to type. I told Cabd to put me V/LA through the rest of the day, and I've collected myself a bit, but my heart rate is still above what it is when I lift.

Nacho saying I caused this carnival of lunacy when I've been the one trying to cut through it is a load of bullshit.

You using a limited sample of my games to try to figure out what I'm doing here, when I'm an incredibly emotionally and gut driven player is bullshit.

Everything RBD/mastin has posted in thread about the gamestate is bullshit.

F-16 and GiF/Pie feel like my only allies in this game. They're the only ones I've been able to connect with all game. It feels like everyone else is ganging up on me, and even if they're not calling me names outright, they're implicitly siding with muffin calling me mentally retarded by not calling him out on it and calling him town for it.

Everyone in this game is implicit in mastin's immense emotional harassment of me. The shit she's pulled on me in this game, if we were dating IRL, would constitute emotional abuse. it's part of the game, but it's stressful to deal with.

I get that I put on the facade that I'm a badass, but I'm a very protective person. I'm a huge softy, and I feel bad trying to lynch people I'm close to.

Maybe it's fucked with my read on AP.

It's probably why I can't read penguin for shit.

And I'm alone in my room, almost in tears for the first time in about a year because I can't deal with this shit anymore.

I'm out. If you lynch me, you're lynching a more valuable role than a gladiator, especially one that belongs to scum.

[Just Sheep Us]

yeah that's great rah rah kumbaya

but look at what's fucking happening right now. we just spent 120 pages and accomplished absolutely nothing. i'd rather we get lynched than a fucking deadline flashwagon.

[Just Sheep Us]

i'd rather not. i don't think bro would want that.

[Just Sheep Us]

i'm going to reiterate that we are NOT lynching fucking orcinus or ap or lord business or clyton or any of these fucking lurkfucks with three hours to go.

[Just Sheep Us]

NO

unvote
vote: just sheep us

get your fucking votes off of orcinus and put them back on us

[Just Sheep Us]

our role is garbage anyway. we are lynching in {just sheep us, rbd, mastin} today and that is the fucking end of it

[Just Sheep Us]

NO

unvote
vote: just sheep us

get your fucking votes off of orcinus and put them back on us

There is no reason to do this.
I'm very sorry for my moment of idiocy.

lie in your grave. we're not flashwagoning someone at the fucking deadline. not after this day.

PEdit: bro's gone. for a while.

[Just Sheep Us]

we are not ending this day with anything but a flip in {just sheep us, rbd, mastin}

period.

[Just Sheep Us]

Flash wagon > lynching obvious town, regardless of how strongly people feel they aren't lynching obvious town.

then help me lynch mastin who is so not obviously town

[Just Sheep Us]

I don't like his interactions with ffery and he's not obvious town and all I care about getting out of this day is not lynching obvious town.

what a fucking short bar you set

pedit: then i guess we're dead. vote us.

[Just Sheep Us]

i already said i'm not voting ap

[Just Sheep Us]

i also need to get to the abc store before 9 so im going to be gone for a bit

any flip outside of us/rbd/mastin would be a waste of our time and effort. stop flashwagoning like a bunch of bloodthirsty animals and make the play that produces the most information. lynching ap or orcinus or clyton with four hours to the deadline isn't going to accomplish a goddamn thing.

[Just Sheep Us]

any lynch that isnt sheep/rbd/mastin is suboptimal

[Just Sheep Us]

it means he expects to be roleblocked every night

[Just Sheep Us]

i'm so fucking glad we dicked around at the deadline and forced two other people to claim

[Just Sheep Us]

+ whoever you all decide to flashwagon next. looks like clyton.

[Just Sheep Us]

what don't you get about "bro isn't here and won't be here for a while"?

[Just Sheep Us]

I'm thinking nolynch might not be such a bad end to this game day.

[Just Sheep Us]

vote: just sheep us

[Just Sheep Us]

@ muffin: i'm gonna enjoy watching you die

@ ffery: i don't give a fuck. we aren't no lynching holy shit

[Just Sheep Us]

@ muffin: i'm gonna enjoy watching you die

That was Nati, not me

-Nati

that's cool, i want nati dead even more for being upset about being misread in a game that his hydra partner has been continuously telling us he had no interest in playing from the start.

[Just Sheep Us]

yeah cuz that's the protown way to use it

are you fucking kidding me

[Just Sheep Us]

Run along now and play with F16 in the sandbox while the adults talk

didn't think you'd have anything relevant to say in response to that

vote: orcinus

[Just Sheep Us]

didn't think you'd have anything relevant to say in response to that

You didn't think I'd have anything relevant to say to something that isn't relevant in the first place

*clap* *clap*

the legitimacy of nati's anger/frustration with this game is actually like the most relevant thing there is in this game right now

[Just Sheep Us]

Holy shit with all this emotional clusterfuck going around, I'm just gonna stop and give this game a rest until the next day. I applaud the people who are still sane and going through this according to their win condition.

Vote: orcinus_theoriginal

Orcinus, I don't know if your claim is true or not. I do not even know if it is town-aligned or not. But your intentions were made clear that regardless of who is lynched, you will intervene. Now, I have a request. Choose me as one of the participants, and preferably Mastin as the other. I will personally deal with her and expose her for the emotional rift-raft she is and outline every inconsistency and scumtells I picked up from the previous 30 pages from her (and the entire game anyways) while outlining my personal defense (something I already explained in some of the posts, not sure how some of them miss that but if they are truly town, they avoided it and went on the basis of an inherent scum action).

can anyone please make sense of clyton's fucking mastin read for me?

he certainly isn't capable of it

[Just Sheep Us]

How exactly do you not get my read on Mastin? Spill something out, otherwise, I can't understand your vague statements because you ain't clarifying specific points you want to be looked at.

i'm not getting your read on mastin because every time you talk about him it's different than the time before.

[Just Sheep Us]

Spoiler: clyton's trainwreck of a "trajectory" on mastinssk

Disclaimer: My reads are based on posts I find noteworthy. No RVS posts (obviously), no null-read posts considered. If there is a post that any of you would like to direct me to and want me to give an opinion of (because no one knows which posts I actually skipped merely based on a reads list), then let me know. I will sort this from most Town to the most Scum.



Red Gyarados: Townish to me. First page, they already declared their attempt to sort people, specifically targeting the "elites" because they have the most potential to influence the game based on prior meta knowledge/past games.

Lord Business: Townish in regards to going against CupcakePanda's scummish posts. However, it can be easily be scum making that comment too (agreeing with Mac therefore for pointing that out). Good defense against Titan, which I agree with. Probably settle with him leaning Town in the end. Good points on the state of Day 1 on what it should be and what it should not be.
Note: We may think alike in some regards, so this may not be an accurate read for any of you.

Mac: Leaning Townish for now. Good informational exchange between him and Rancid through a bunch of pirate gibberish.

Titan: Leaning Townish. Decides to use Nacho to prove everyone of his Town alignment (refer to post 74/I do not know how to reference ISO posts). The two could be in cahoots as scum, or Titan is a very paranoid Townie and does not want what happened in a past game (scum ganging up on her and eliminate all her credibility), therefore needing immediate support in fear of that happening (MastinSSK did mention something similar to my thinking).

Rancid: Leaning Townish, but can easily be scum. He has good points about CarbonFiber's OP in response to Mac's metadive.

PeregrineV: Null but slightly leaning Townish too. Gives off that certain vibe I know of.

The Fox and the Hound: Null. Need more info on something with more substance (not posts regarding who's side you are taking)

Breakfast With Stalin: Null

Kagura: Null

Yukari Yakumo: :3 aka Null

ElementalHawk: N/A

MastinSSK: Seems scummish to me. Attacks Titan for a reason that also does not seem confrontational to me. Also attacks Fox for taking a stance with Titan. However, with how they are approaching this, it is Town natured, and not only in this mini-battle, but also in their responses and questions to everyone else.

CarbonFiber: Leaning scummish. Makes valid points in his posts, but that should be enough to take action. Instead, he brings out the "I'm not sure yet so I'll hold off." However, understandably, my meta has some similarities to this line of action. Therefore, I will hold it off and could potentially see CF as Town too.

Just Sheep Us: Leaning scummish. Their vote against me does not warrant a response from me.

orcinus_theoriginal: Leaning scummish just for the random, no-reason vote.

CupcakePanda: Scummish to me. Feigning ignorance? Deliberately posting a notice of a lack of flavor knowledge in order to build up a naive appearance? If I was a Townie coming into a game with no flavor knowledge, I wouldn't be doing that unless I'm contributing and need some flavor knowledge in order to build up stronger yet applicable contributions. So far, Panda isn't contributing yet.



Other notes:

Nati/SSK dynamics always happen in the early stages of Day 1.

Mac notes that MastinSSK's style of opening has a strong correlation to a scum (was this scum also MastinSSK?) who did the same opening in the Touhou game.

Rancid claims that MastinSSK's posts have not appeared scummy yet. However, he has yet to comment on the updated posts MastinSSK did after that comment. Do they still not appear scummy after all those updated posts?

Titan vs MastinSSK:

- It wasn't confrontational because Titan was asking Kagura for a read on the former in a forceful manner. Kagura hasn't even stated anything; Titan "requested" a read. But I understand Mastin's sentiments on it being confrontational. I think the right words are "forceful" (why the pressure vote then?)

- Titan's responses however are very OMGUS natured; unfortunately, it is indeed what she feared in regards to a previous game.

- Likewise, Mastin is not any better. Immediately attacks Fox for taking a stance with Titan with a vote.

Conclusion: Titan and MastinSSK, as described in my reads above, can be easily Town or Scum for a multitude of reasons. We cannot dismiss this confrontation so easily. We must determine if there is legitimately a scum between the two, or if it is a Town vs Town. On the other hand, we use some role abilities to aid us in this investigation and focus on lynching someone else.

My suggestions on those who should be lynched today? Only CupcakePanda honestly. However, we need more info not only from Panda, but from everyone with vague actions and posts (like orcinus, Just Sheep Us and PeregrineV).

My apologies for the lack of response. I have been following along, rest assured. I did not really have new contributions to add. But let me remind you all once again of what I am thinking.

So, anyone here still think MastinSSK is town?

-FT

As said before personally, I think MastinSSK has an equal chance to be scum just as much as being town. I did say I was not going to vote him (nor Titan), but I feel we all must reach a decision. The amount of discussion going on, while having some substance, does not really point towards a certain direction (if you feel there is something we are leading towards to, please tell me). This isn't for me, but for the rest of you in the game, I feel people are waiting for the chance to see who will make the first move. The debate between Mastin and Titan has been no doubt been the highlight of the day, and perhaps, some of you are mentally locked that one of them has to be lynched in order to settle this. Then let me advance this discussion now.

As Mastin has mentioned before, he himself has stated that this is a rare case where role abilities (particularly investigative abilities) should be used on him or Titan in order to determine their alignments while keeping both of them alive. There are obviously pros and cons to this. But I won't elaborate on that. The main point is, do all of you feel this is the method to take? Or do you want to lynch one of them now to determine their alignment and follow our personal deductions based on the results? State your stance regarding this matter, and we can progress accordingly. This is not to say these are the only two choices: if you feel there is someone we should look towards to, tell us who. There is no diddly-daddling now.

This game contains 4 players that are mafia, and 13 players that are town.

has anybody mentioned this to mastin yet

No. In fact, I'm pretty sure no one has mentioned that fact at all, correct me if I'm wrong. I assumed people read the first set of mod posts and just took mental note of it.

Based on Mastin's random softclaim, it is clear that this is not the case he claims it to be. His role has nothing to do with the revelation of 4 mafias/13 towns. Everyone should have known that from the beginning of the game regardless of their role! Ergo, he most likely be trying to gain some sense of credibility and usefulness attached to his role in the face of the Town.

/Vote: MastinSSK

You say that you will not defend yourself because it is something that it is easy to fight off but you choose not to. However, you also make an effort to keep up with a realistic nonsense, so it is better to post the truth than fake it. If this is truly your playstyle, then you have either really meant what you said about the 4 mafias/13 towns or you made a mistake. I cannot take what you said lightly as a mistake; I personally think you meant it as you claimed about your playstyle. Therefore, I ask that you honor your 2nd detail of posting the truth over not defending yourself. Surely if it is easy to fight off, then you will have something to say to counter my suspicions.

OK nevermind, I see the scenario. Makes sense, otherwise, if you can't be on the leading wagon when it is 9 players, it would be a draw assuming 4 scum votes one player and the other 4 (excluding Mastin) vote another player.

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His role has nothing to do with the revelation of 4 mafias/13 towns. Everyone should have known that from the beginning of the game regardless of their role! Ergo, he most likely be trying to gain some sense of credibility and usefulness attached to his role in the face of the Town

1) why couldn't mastin be town who has a role that suggests 4 scum?
2) did everyone know that? i mean sure we all "know" it from the OP but that doesn't mean mastin necessarily read it
3) this seems forced

i'm terribly sorry that i haven't impressed you mac is there anything i could possibly do to correct my sin

1. Due to the exchange that has happened after your caught up post, I strongly believe Mastin is Town now. Of course, there is a very slim possibility he might be scum (I think I can still see how scum would end up with that voting restriction/then again, this is simply by meta's rationale), but I will believe that Mastin is Town.
2. Resolved.
3. I'm not sure how you see this is forced. If you read my posts in the game (and hopefully not in ISO like CF), then anyone can tell this is not forced, but should be expected of me the moment Mastin made such a post.

Sure thing.

My assumption that Mastin (or everyone actually) had read what Yulia Jue posted in the beginning (confirmed 4 scum/13 town). Based on what Mastin did about softclaiming about a particular aspect of his role that confirms that exact number, it lead me to a couple of scenarios.

1. He intentionally claimed this particular aspect to gain favor in other people's eyes. "Oh, Mastin has a role that figures out for certainty there is 4 scum/13 town? He must have an important role that can benefit the Town!"

However, this assumes that Mastin read Yulia Jue's post about this confirmed fact, and said this hoping that the other people in this thread haven't read that particular confirmed fact. Therefore, if the people who haven't read agreed with Mastin, then that is more of saying Mastin has gained credibility in their eyes (in terms of usefulness to the Town); even if it is not much, knowing the exact number of each alignment is useful (personally to me, it helped me in multiple games in the off-site).

2. He actually did not read it, which turned out to be the case.

But I admit this is a mistake for me. I was too hasty to jump in. CF, you can tell from your interactions/analysis of me, and I did stated it in this game, that as of the moment, I am looking for openings to jump on and attack. I felt there was not a lot of progress going on because many people here are quite conservative. The reads I'm getting, although gives me a sense of direction of what to act upon, conflicts with other people's reads. We are like leaders, struggling to control the game, and with our own personalized read list, we are only bickering among ourselves trying to convince one another "this guy's town" or "this guy's scum."

As of the moment, aside from my limited access, I am also reading through the Vesperia game. My stance is this at the moment: we lynch the player that is the most probable scum at the moment, and focus on the night gathering information and enacting our abilities. I feel the majority here is trying to find someone who is 100% sure of being town or scum. But my rationale is different: it is pointless to find a 100% proof of someone's alignment because you will never know it until they are dead. Everyone before that is pure speculation. It is better to act upon even a 70% likeness of someone's alignment, but even then, I feel people are actually waiting to act upon "this guy's 99% scum/town."

What the hell man. I said I was gonna be V/LA till Tuesday night and 10 pages already passed with a bunch of shit. CF, I will promptly hold off my updated reads list; now is not the time to do so. I rather wait till Day 2 when this clusterfuck is cleared up.

At the moment, I will read the recent 10 pages, and will get back to you all. However, I am convinced with RBD's argument regarding AngryPigedon and MastinSSK. MastinSSK also provided some background information regarding AP's meta, which I will take it for his word; my trust in him is because my read on him (Mastin) is currently leaning towards the stronger town side. Although I do admit this is quite hasty of me, and therefore, my stance is not finalized. I am willing to change just as easily once I get a better grasp of the last 10 pages.

Vote: AngryPidgeon

@RG, yes it is. I am trying to bring across a point using a different impersonation lol

Updated Reads List:

Strong Town

Titan
Mac

Town

Kagura
Stalin
RBD
RG
orcinus

The In-Betweens

Mastin
The Fox and the Hound
AP
Just Sheep Us

Scum

Carbon Fiber

Unknown due to lack of recent activity

Lord Business
PeregrineV
Cupcake Panda
Yukari

Notes:
1. The reads are in order based on strength of alignment aka the people at the top are more likely to be that particular alignment they are under in.
1a. The order for the in-betweens and unknown tier is the likelihood of being town from top to bottom.
2. This reads list is based on having all players having been townread and scumread, with their certain placement on this list based on which read is more probable to be true.

I do hope point 2 in particular can give you the understanding for this reads list. If you want me to give a detailed analysis on a specific player, ask away and I will post the info.

Holy shit with all this emotional clusterfuck going around, I'm just gonna stop and give this game a rest until the next day. I applaud the people who are still sane and going through this according to their win condition.

Vote: orcinus_theoriginal

Orcinus, I don't know if your claim is true or not. I do not even know if it is town-aligned or not. But your intentions were made clear that regardless of who is lynched, you will intervene. Now, I have a request. Choose me as one of the participants, and preferably Mastin as the other. I will personally deal with her and expose her for the emotional rift-raft she is and outline every inconsistency and scumtells I picked up from the previous 30 pages from her (and the entire game anyways) while outlining my personal defense (something I already explained in some of the posts, not sure how some of them miss that but if they are truly town, they avoided it and went on the basis of an inherent scum action).

[Just Sheep Us]

1st quote: I scumread and townread Mastin and thought of both perspectives. The read I gave at that moment of the post was what I genuinely thought. No confusion there.

2nd quote: Pretty much the same. I did mention that Mastin had an equal chance of being scum and town. I gathered that from the scumread and townread I did on her, which when weighing them, seemed pretty even in significance/importance to the possibility of either alignment.

3rd quote: That was me trying to get clarification regarding Mastin's voting restriciton (not sure why you even quoted that).

4th quote: The townread came ahead of the scumread. I based my rationale on the role and which alignment the role will most likely fall with. Scum had very little chance of having such voting restriction; it's essentially saying that Mastin has to rely on non-wagon votes to manipulate the town in picking off key targets the mafia wants to take out.

5th quote: Self-explanatory based on my post. My suspicion fell on Mastin because of how she came up with the 4 mafia/13 town, something that should've been common knowledge if everyone read it in the beginning, but turned out to be Mastin not reading it at all. However, withheld from that post, you never know if Mastin actually did read it in the beginning and withheld that, using the ruse of not reading the beginning post to get herself out of that suspicion I have on her.

6th quote: I think you can tell from the increasing towniness I found in Mastin based on the posts where the townread got ahead from the scumread up to this 6th quote was the reason I said such a post.

7th quote: Mastin became an in-between. This is due to recent developments, aka you and CF against RBD and Mastin. I considered your side of the case and RBD's/Mastin's side, and I finally did a nullread on Mustin (on my first read, I didn't nullread anyone). Your side of the case has some merit, but so did RBD and Mastin. Hence, I was at a loss in this debate and resorted to putting most of you in in-betweens for the time being so I can gather my thoughts and let this debate pan out even further.

8th quote: I said it in 3286; that's my reasoning at the moment. I may add more as I analyze Mastin's posts in this game thus far.

thank you for doing this

i don't get you and i don't think i ever will.

[Just Sheep Us]

I will vote the largest wagon within <PV, Rancid, Mastin, Bro/Desp>, but I will not be voting a last second flashwagon on someone who can't even claim.

who are you even talking about dude

[Just Sheep Us]

how about you catch up then? cuz he already claimed governor who is gonna governate regardless today

[Just Sheep Us]

VOTE: LB

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VOTE: mastinSSK

[Just Sheep Us]

I like how I come into the day doing a thing, and then the next three posts are someone complaining that they have to play the game, someone asking for an investigative result that's getting claimed as soon as AP gets online (and he's probably hanging out with his bf right now), and a passive-aggressive jab about the deadline lynch from a player whose efforts to stop the bats hit wagoning that happened at the end of yesterday were, like, not as much as they could have been.

Way to make me feel like this game is going places.

[Just Sheep Us]

Like, we have more content in the neighborhood QT so far, and all we've done is speculate about the alignment of the janitor kill.

[Just Sheep Us]

Desp is still biasing towards town-Kagura. They've moved to my null-scum pile.

pedit: The comment from someone in the neighborhood QT (I think it was Desp) was that it's a question of whether Nacho would pull the last-minute deadlining again as scum after NY169.

[Just Sheep Us]

Also, if anyone could think I'm still scum at this point, I don't know what to tell them. Like, I don't want to chalk things up to personal bias against me b/c I'm a dick, etc, but I'd be at a loss for any other explanation for anyone voting me at this point.

[Just Sheep Us]

Alignments were distributed before characters were.

I asked cabd about this at some point b/c of the neighborhood stuff.

[Just Sheep Us]

Also, if anyone could think I'm still scum at this point, I don't know what to tell them. Like, I don't want to chalk things up to personal bias against me b/c I'm a dick, etc, but I'd be at a loss for any other explanation for anyone voting me at this point.

I totally have you down as scum don't worry. <3

If you think I can fake yesterday as scum, then I guess thanks for the respect to my scum game?

[Just Sheep Us]

Can we just get your result on Kagura so that Desp and I can stop having dissonance on that read?

[Just Sheep Us]

Oh god, with that group it's a town result on kagura.

Well, that makes things easier on my end.

[Just Sheep Us]

ap you are being dumb. i 2nd pv's "if i were a miller i wouldn't give a shit what cop claim said what"

and f-16 thinks you're scum anyway so why would he give two shits who you said you were going to fake your results on?

[Just Sheep Us]

and that's not even mentioning the fact that your post came at a time when we were producing a page every 10-15 minutes and f-16 has already stated either here or in the qt that he couldn't keep up with the pace

[Just Sheep Us]

it is just as likely that he missed your post that came at the very end of a page, jesus

[Just Sheep Us]

ap you need to take a step back bro. your point on f-16 is not strong and you aren't getting mislyched. stop being a drama queen.

[Just Sheep Us]

Bro you're buying this shit?

sigh

Given how AP-logic works, this makes a fuckton of sense.

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I think there are likely 2 scum in Stalin/Titan/PV. This push on me is actually ridiculous. Anyone with half a brain should understand why I did what I did and its pretty fucking baffling that I might get MISLYNCHED over my really strong point on F16.

have you literally called the whole playerlist scum at some point?

Isn't this the point that was brought up against me/AP in Anything Goes despite hard-townreading more than 1/3 of the game (and being right on every one of those reads)?

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You voted me during the 1v1 and yet didn't investigate me.

Because LB was obvious town which is why I didnt vote for him. you said he ws obvious town in your 1v1 with him. that is why i didnt vote for lb.

And he said that he'd be back if he was lynched, and self-voted. Sooo.

Like I said, you made a couple of mild expressions of paranoia about me but given the gamestate your vote pinged. And still does.

And your ohshit soft shoe while you figured out your story after the CF investigation claim blew up in your face isn't even a tiny bit convincing.

@BRO plz explain how this looks like town AP to you.

Because AP using his role to reaction test CF is something I'd expect out of AP.

AP coming into the day with said reaction test is something I'd expect from AP.

Scum-AP missing that CF was a miller is something I wouldn't expect from AP (he's one of the few players that doesn't mix up claims/gamestates/etc). ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT CF'S MILLER STATUS WOULD HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE SCUM QT, AS WOULD HAVE AP'S PLAN.

The all-caps part is pretty crux here. What you're trying to argue is that not only did AP botch a fakeclaim, but that 3 other members of the scum team all failed to correct him. That's not a thing that's going to happen.

AP not considering that CF missed his post about investigating him is also something I'd expect out of AP, because of how similarly AP and I tend to view other players' behavior (i.e., we expect everyone to read and analyze every post in full, when most players gloss over/skim a lot of shit)

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Scum-AP missing that CF was a miller is something I wouldn't expect from AP (he's one of the few players that doesn't mix up claims/gamestates/etc). ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT CF'S MILLER STATUS WOULD HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE SCUM QT, AS WOULD HAVE AP'S PLAN.

The all-caps part is pretty crux here. What you're trying to argue is that not only did AP botch a fakeclaim, but that 3 other members of the scum team all failed to correct him. That's not a thing that's going to happen.

Quoting this for reemphasis.

[Just Sheep Us]

Yeah I know, none of the scum team wants to remember ny 167

AP flaked that game. I was playing AFB solo.

[Just Sheep Us]

Oh look, another game just ended that demonstrates that everyone should just sheep me.

Why are people not sheeping me?

[Just Sheep Us]

Oh look, another game just ended that demonstrates that everyone should just sheep me.

Why are people not sheeping me?

*us

pedit: no shit we still think mastin

[Just Sheep Us]

actually

VOTE: mastin

Because I owe Bro a sheep

You actually owe me two

[Just Sheep Us]

VOTE: AngryPidgeon.
Butyeah. This is AP as scum. He's not going to pull a stunt like this as town.

...

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The mean half of the hydra is on right now.

Desp'll get to it when he gets to it. He and I haven't connected since like Sunday.

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I don't think in my history of ~150 games.
That I've ever broken the two-page barrier.
I could be wrong. I could have done it before.
But I really, really don't think I have.

BRO and I it like 4 pages in Anything Goes >.>

Although a lot of that was

WAFFLES, MASTIN, AND ELYSE ARE ALL SCUM.

AFTER THAT IS PROBABLY SVEN.

That was fucking hilarious.

We had like 700 posts that game.

[Just Sheep Us]

Also that ... post is my last serious post of the night. I have to translate some Golden Ass for class tomorrow (totes bombed my Satyricon quiz today, because sight-translating stuff where you don't know 1/2 the words is unsurprisingly difficult).

But yeah, that was a serious post.

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One of the things that I realize is ticking me off is that both Rancid and Mac were supporters of me. (And by the way. My modus operandi as scum is to NOT kill the players supporting me. It's to fucking kill the players trying to lynch me, NKA be damned.

Why would you think that faction scum would have killed RBD, or that Mac wouldn't have hit the BG?

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Come to think about it, I don't think you ever actually gave that reads list.

...Okay, you did, I guess, but that was a long time ago and reads change. Can I get an updated individual readslist from you? Then a combined one when overlapped with BRO's?

I'm trying to find common reference points.

Common reference points b/w me and him? Because Desp and I are fairly in agreement at this point (we had a dissonant read last night that resolved itself, which really just leaves AP as the only read where we're substantially off one another.

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What do you make of Rancid's death?
What do you make of Mac's death?

RBD was probably a vig shot.

Mac either hit the protect or got NK'd for being a universal town read.

Not that hard.

Also, I hate walls and I'm tired as fuck right now. I'll get around to the rest of it later.

pedit: muffin+natirasha aren't so extraordinary in their skill that they're worth taking out when they've completely checked out of a game and are actively trolling. Especially when their strongest read was on me/Desp, and was a wrong read that was going to generate more noise, especially given how easily I get goaded into shit.

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It's a stale read at this point.

Eh, I'll buy this. RG has been hovering around my 'meh leaning towards hm' list for a bit now.

I havent really seen anything particularly interesting from that slot and NS's re-entry today looked a bit contrived with the whole "guess I'll vote mastin since BRO is" bit. I actually looked up the game they were referring to (Wicked Mafia) to see if I felt that was justified and I eh. I think NS could easily be using that as an excuse for a vote right now, I didnt find that game particularly compelling for him to be blindly sheeping BRO here, especially since BRO was long removed from it.

ALSO BRO IM QQING ABOUT THINGS IN OUR HYDRA QT, HELP.

:/

We should have talked about the QT things while we were playing LoL. I'll give you a response tomorrow.

And the NS jump onto mastin to sheep me makes sense in the context of Wicked Mafia+Frozen Mafia (since ns made the same mistake both games in not sheeping me). the activity is the thing I'm more worried about at this point, and I think ns/BS are a strong enough pair to WIFOM-ball it back as scum.

[Just Sheep Us]

My thought is vig. I've given some minor thought to 2 scum teams, and it might make sense of where the daytime lines get drawn, but I'm nowhere near convinced that's what's going on.

Please tell me this isn't real

[Just Sheep Us]

Btw, AP, BROseidon, and DV should all be posting soon, so have raised eyebrows if they don't within the next hour or two.

Baroo?

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Common reference points b/w me and him? Because Desp and I are fairly in agreement at this point (we had a dissonant read last night that resolved itself, which really just leaves AP as the only read where we're substantially off one another.

Well, yeah, I suppose, if you disagreed on a lot I could help get you agreeing, but I meant common reference points between you and me.

Soyeah. I don't have a neighborhood/QT that allows me to see your reads, and they haven't been shared so far today. While reasoning is preferred, it's optional; I just want to know where you're standing overall right now.

Here was the reads list overnight from me:

Turbo-town

12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado)
3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn)
5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane)
10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16)

Town

2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)
9 AngryPidgeon 9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)
14 Cupcake Panda
15 PeregrineV
17 Mac

Null-town

13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)
4 orcinus_theoriginal

Null-scum

1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)
11 Lord Business
16 Clyton

Lean scum

8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)

Scum

6 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha)
7 MastinSSK (Mastin2, MafiaSSK)

Desp had AP and Kagura swapped relative to this. I've also moved Kagura up a few tiers today because reasons.

And I bet your next move is to try to convince me to drop p5 down

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By the way, DesBRO, there was more in post 3747 that I'd like you to answer.

Remember that time I said I was going to get to it later?

Because I'm going to bed now. I have to get up in 6 hours to do laundry (I've run out of clean clothes at this point).

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hey ffery i found your reads lists

towntowntown (nascent townbloc)

Mac
GiF - at the time he posted his reads list I was p amazed at how closely it matched my own thoughts. And I'd been pretty cagey with my thoughts at that point. I think the points of synchronicity were genuine.
kagura

Town

Rancid Broderick Drake
Fox & Hound
Titan
Carbon Fiber
orcinus

Maybe Town

Just Sheep Us - not scum with AP?
Red Garydos - strong townread went stale, but I do p much like the stuff that Brian has been posting today.
Cupcake Panda
AP - not scum with BroDesp? AP read has faded. I'm not sure if it's an influenced fade, but maybe.
Lord Business
Clyton
Peregrine

Not So Town

MastinSSK (scum read for beli, null/null-town for ffery)

list isn't seriatim

Not a lot of scum reads. :/

Right now I'd draw my don't-lynch-above-this line just below RG.

In answer to the question I asked GiF (and am still waiting for an answer), I would say that my most controversial read is GiF, given his very low level of activity so far. But, the reads list he posted mirrored my impressions at that point in time more strongly than anything else I've seen in the game thread.

revised reads list:

towntowntown

Mac - first bet the farm town read of the game

Yggdra Union/GiF - they've been town since GiF's first reads list, as I mentioned in our first reads list

kagura (with some mild reservations)

Rancid Broderick Drake - I'm not belaboring this read any more. I think it's a you get it or you don't and never will sort of thing

Carbon Fiber

Just Sheep Us - reaction to being run up

Titan - tentatively in top tier for now. may firm up with more reread

orcinus - so there are reasons why the proven governor ability isn't a for sure town ability, but my gut has a huge town reaction to how orcinus handled this, and the reaction crystallized when he asked us if we were ok with being invited to this shindig.

Lord Business - reaction to thunderdome looks pretty damn town to me.

Pretty Town

Fox & Hound
Red Garydos

Maybe Town

Cupcake Panda
AP - town because claim, without claim still pretty null
Clyton
Peregrine

Not So Town

MastinSSK (scum read for beli, null/null-town for ffery)

I question how many players are apparently somewhat immune to various sorts of violence in this game. One of the immunity claims is probably scum.

so i mean yeah, this is you copying down everyone's name and putting them into alignment tiers. cool. but you don't have a single scumread in either one? it's kinda disingenuous to claim that your stances are transparent and impossible to miss when for all intents and purposes your reads are just one giant fart in the wind.

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my point was more that you have/had no scumreads and you aren't/haven't been pushing any lynches

^this brings whatever transparency level you think you have down to zero because you aren't leaving a trail anywhere. you're just there, calling everyone various shades of town and participating in shitty deadline lynches after waffling all day on real wagons.

[Just Sheep Us]

ps i've seen you be transparent town several times before

this shit ain't it

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who is scum, ffery?

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you should vote mastin with us, see if we can get duel ap/mastin wagons going.

[Just Sheep Us]

Will get to this later.

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yeah, like anything goes

oh wait, we're not allowed to reference that game anymore. i forgot. evidently so did mastin.

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That's never been the pattern in the first place. If someone is reading me wrong, then I question their other reads and their understanding of the gamestate. If Mastin is town, then her understanding of the game state is warped by her misreading me.

this is pretty dumb considering townies have misread townies in every game of mafia ever

also you are seriously overrating how influential the neighborhood is and how much content it's robbing from the actual game thread. the vast majority of f-16's posting there has made its way here, either verbatim or spread throughout several posts.

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Okay,

here's why I think BRO is town

:

- Consider the amount of emotional involvement that BRO has had in the game versus Wicked. Once he and Desp got themselves involved and placed that vote on Rancid, we were dealing with a very tense gamestate and BRO's personal involvement in the game was incredibly high. This was compounded when Rancid were insulting BRO every step of the way. I think the insults furthered the amount of emotional investment that he had in the game and the more they insulted him, the more personally involved he got into getting them lynched. This isn't unusual. When someone is kind and friendly, but a player thinks that they are scum, that player wouldn't be as desperate to get their opponent lynched and they'd be less angry if their opponent got away. What Rancid did in the game was heighten tensions between them and BRO. They trash-talked, insulted BRO's posting, tried to rile him up, took digs at him, challenged him to a gladiator match, sized him up etc. There was really no end to what they did on D1 and you know how Muffin gets when he really wants to rile someone up. I think that BRO reacted to this by getting even more invested in their lynch and wanted them lynched very, very badly.

- This level of investment doesn't happen very often and the way Mala and Cabd/Penguin persued him in Wicked was markedly different for these reasons. Penguin even told me later that she wanted to work with BRO and had that happened, she would have chosen to neighborize him N1. Malakittens didn't bait BRO, she didn't insult his posting and make him badly, desperately want her dead. She played a fair game and won. Considering that, I wouldn't expect BRO to have the same fury at being lynched in place of his target during Wicked. He was lynched by players that genuinely liked him and cared about him and went about it in a decent way. While he was frustrated, it is not to the extent that it was here.

- Now onto the mechanics of how the lynch happened. BRO-Desp, Pie, and I were pushing the wagon on Rancid and it seemed likely that it would go through. At least upon Pie's replacement, the likelihood of a Rancid lynch magnified. This gave BRO

hope

that they would be lynched. The wagon stalled at times, and I could sort of sense BRO metaphorically drumming his fingers on the table waiting for the lynch to be pushed through at deadline. It was by no means a guarantee, but there was a good chance it would go through and I think BRO was waiting on tenterhooks for it to happen. It was almost assured that he, BRO, wouldn't be lynched. It was either going to be his choice of lynch (Rancid), or a lynch he would prefer not to happen (a lurker), and that was the dichotomy that BRO was looking at. Nacho came in and starting shaking the wagons around just when momentum on the Rancid wagon was stalling and I could tell some of the hope was lost and the disappointment started to etch through like a crash after a sugar high. It became apparent that he would fail and all the work was for nothing. I think anyone would be disappointed and upset.

- From that emotional state, I think the final straw that broke down BRO was the sudden flashwagon on his slot at deadline. So, here we had BRO pushing the Rancid wagon by slowly working through obstacles to finally get this lynch through, and all of sudden, it seems not only is his adversary getting away, but he himself was being wagoned with no resistance at all. It was an astonishing sight to watch from the outside and I can see why BRO who was the target would meltdown at that point. After all the insults from Rancid, the sizing up, the dick-measuring, everything, and he, BRO is target of a dumb deadline wagon that some people hopped onto without a care in the world. This wasn't the case in Wicked. He was battling a worthy opponent (Malakittens) and she won fairly. There was frustration if you read the Wicked thread closely. BRO was annoyed. Just not as much as he was here.

- Look at it from a scum POV: there is no way BRO as scum is this invested in getting a lynch. He wants to survive sure, but the burning desire for Rancid to die and the constant and consistent efforts to make it happen is highly unlikely to come from scum. This is most of what I was referring to from the neighborhood. It is apparent that BRO wants Mastin and Rancid both lynched with an intensity that I've rarely encountered before. He didn't meltdown because he cared about surviving as scum. I think he melted down because his efforts were not only ignored, but at a very, very crucial, critical point when he was losing hope in achieving his goal, the wagon, almost unbelievably turned right at him and it was no longer a question of whether he could get Rancid lynched but of whether Rancid could get

him

lynched.

- I totally agree that his reaction to being run up is vastly different from Wicked. I think a combination of circumstances account for this difference as opposed to BRO's alignment being different. Your logic makes sense: It is true that he said he cares more about being lynched as scum, and he cared more here than he did in his last towngame. One thing I really love about your scumhunting is that you are empathetic enough to understand how others are feeling and if you put yourself in BRO's place with all that he had to endure in this game, realize what he wants, and what his goals are, you'll see why he reacted in such a different way than he did in Wicked.

Sorry for not being around; I'm pretty mafia'd out right now, and have been playing LoL with 90% of my free time (gonna get that Diamond before I graduate college!)

This post is terrifying inside my head.

Holy shit.

Like, I can't even.

Anyone who calls F-16 town is either scum or in my "ignore this" book for the rest of the game.

[Just Sheep Us]

yeah, like anything goes

oh wait, we're not allowed to reference that game anymore. i forgot. evidently so did mastin.

And what you're yet again forgetting is that Anything Goes had me legitimately scumread you, thus the hostility.

Guess what?

On all future days I played in?

I was buddy-buddy diplomatic. Towards Mac. Towards PA. Towards Brian Skies. You can see it quite clearly in my posting. When I was scum, the only time I broke the buddy-buddy was when I had a legitimate scumread, thus, was legitimately scumhunting, and thus...was acting like town.

Protip:

I rarely mess up grammar. Desp does semi-frequently (same way you can tell me/AP apart; my prose is probably the most formal/concise/styleless on site).

[Just Sheep Us]

This convo re: p5 is dumb because p5 has been pretty obvtown by gamestate since he was the obvious scum-designated mislynch.

[Just Sheep Us]

Holy shit dat typo.

CF is town. Apparently "isn't" is hard to type :/

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Are you referring to Mastin's series of 100 walls as the metaphorical bomb here?

I'm referring to BRO's 4169

I'm terrible at detecting sarcasm in text. Was that sarcasm?

Pretty sure it is a typo. If not, then BRO and I have a lot of talking to do.

Gonna quote this to make it more clear what I'm referring to.

[Just Sheep Us]

uh???

all i want is one name, ffery. one scumread.

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also in case it wasn't clear, the uh???? was in reference to you not wanting to intereact with mastin at all this day phase while simultaneously believing that sorting mastin is the key to unlocking the gamestate fypov

pedit: "i will vote mastin at deadline" isnt a fucking scumread, are you serious?

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you voted me ap and orcinus at deadline d1 and last i checked you think we're all town now so...no

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Anyone who calls F-16 town is either scum or in my "ignore this" book for the rest of the game.

Ok, please clarify for me. Where was the isn't supposed to go in this sentence and what was your thought process behind correcting this post.

"Anyone who THINKS F-16 ISN'T town is either scum or in my "ignore this" book for the rest of the game."

Yeah, I failed at remembering what I typed.

F-16's town.

That wall about my response this game to my response in Wicked is so far in my head that I don't think scum could possibly get there.

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BRO: Can you explain your CF town read to me like Im 5 then? Or Derperado I guess assuming ya'll are on the same page there.

If I were to do it like you were 5, I would say "because I said so"

The wall about me was really fucking town. His play during day 1 trying to parse through the early shitshow that happened was really town, the way in which he responded to Nacho at the end of day 1/in the neighborhood QT overnight was really town.

I don't have time to write up a full case because I have a paper due in like 50 minutes. Maybe I'll get around to it at some point.

[Just Sheep Us]

hi

[Just Sheep Us]

WHY ISN'T DES OUT HERE ACCUSING ME LIKE A BIG BOY???????

...and sure yeah i'm stupid for not trusting your neighborhood. I'm just a ball of dumb.

there's a reason i'm not positing any of this in thread. it's paranoia that is not in service of our current goal, which is lynching mastin.

f-16 asked if he could bring it up publically (which he's done every time he's relayed anything we've said) and i've never seen a reason to say no.

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yes yes and we're all retards who can't get a town read on that damn slot when they're not doing dip for shit in thread and hiding behind their neighborhood.

last i checked you have as a part of the town core? pending mastin's flip of course (which doesn't make a lick of sense)

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I know. And it isn't fair to you for me to keep shutting down suspicion on them. I told Desp to post in the thread more and that I won't be covering for them anymore.

the only instances you've needed to "cover us" for were when you brought up one of this "trivial thoughts that don't need to be posted in thread" in thread

so,

[Just Sheep Us]

But I was worried bro was faking it.

the argument against him because he didn't just buy into immediately doesn't resonate with me because I was skeptical and still am.

bro faking it would have looked a lot more like you're "omg i'm crying at work" in too many heads. go read bro's breakdown post again and tell me honestly that you think he was faking it.

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So then what is your take on des's how dare I feel any suspicion towards your neighborhood whatsoever if mastin flips town nonsense that falcon relayed?

^it's more like f-16 theorized that ap and clyton are scum and the other two are setting up the neighborhood for mastin's town flip and i said "tammy and ffery are doing that"

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And quite frankly I'm pissed off at the suggestion I can't be suspicious/parnaoid of your neighborhood when the entire fucking game your neighborhood has been cloaked and we're just supposed to accept whatever trickles come out when one of you is ready to share it.

you can't be suspicious of our neighborhood based solely on mastin's townflip. the things that make f-16 and us town enough to be in your town core still make us town if mastin flips town.

PEdit: what are you calling bullshit on?

[Just Sheep Us]

spit it out then

[Just Sheep Us]

des is talking about townreads in the neighborhood
and i agree his "I'm being too obvtown" shit blows!

it has nothing to do with us being too obvtown

[Just Sheep Us]

uh????????

The central core as I see it are: Mastin, AP, desbro, you, stalin with a little pie and me added in for flavor.

The periphery is everyone else.

If Mastin flipped town my reads on desbro, nacho, pie and maybe you might feel in flux. That might be because of neighborhood, but I would be looking at all of you cross-eyed trying to figure out which one of you were scum pulling everyone's strings.

[Just Sheep Us]

I need someone you're pulling crap on to flip town so maybe just maybe some people can see you for the snake you fucking are.

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wow it's almost like i misread your post and took "central core" as "town core"

guess that makes me a fucking snake or something

[Just Sheep Us]

or like, not

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and when you went all complainy in the neighborhood about that falcon didn't correct you????????

see here's the thing, there is no complaining. it happened exactly as i described it.

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i had remembered you listing us and beliffery and a couple others in a "core" and misremembered it as a town core

your reaction here is really weird and the instant switch into insults and shit is really off putting. i really have no clue where it's coming from.

[Just Sheep Us]

like you could have just been all "i've never said you were a townread" and then i would have gone back and looked and been like "oh yeah, you're right"

instead we got...this.

[Just Sheep Us]

like you could have just been all "i've never said you were a townread" and then i would have gone back and looked and been like "oh yeah, you're right"

instead we got...this.

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@ tammy: our focus has been and will continue to be lynching mastin. this is the main reason the little thoughts that f-16 keeps bringing up from the neighborhood that didn't make the actual game thread were posted in the neighborhood to begin with.

there has been nothing more that we are piegif can say to support a mastin lynch--the last, i dunno, ten real life days? have basically been waiting for the rest of the town to decide how they intend to handle his wagon.

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And no, that's not drunkposting or tiredposting. That is rageposting so much that my head turned red and my hands typed at the actual speed of my brain, shaking violently.
You can call me scum all you fucking want. I'm fine with that. You're wrong, oh so fucking seriously wrong. But that's you.
But I would ne ver fucking lie aborur theory in agame.
NEVER.
'FUicking.
EVER.
Like aborutr ggodsm aed feur in a game.

if you aren't scumreading mastin after this post you are doing it wrong

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First off, sorry Mastin and Rancid if you are watching from the dead thread. My read on both of you guys was absolute crap. I know you probably hate me but I'll do the best to make it up to you and I want you to be able to chalk up another win. Mastin especially. You did everything you could. You left no stone unturned in trying to communicate with the town. More at endgame.

This, except I don't apologize to RBD because claiming miller as a town not-miller is almost always objectively bad play (GiF can tell them when it's a good play in the dead thread)

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Penguins pretty much going to bat for bro being town, depending on how he plays it today I guess, but she's talking me down fro

1) You

just

modded a game where I was mislynched as town, and a lot of my emotionality (at least the genuineness of it) is the same in this game as it was there.

2) You also saw the dead QT for that game where penguin and I had a fairly extensive convo about how neither of us can read each other to save our lives.

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Also, this is the part where I tell you all I FUCKING TOLD YOU ALL ABOUT GIF FROM THE FUCKING ONSET, AND I FUCKING KNEW HE WAS A MODERATE TO STRONG PR.

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Dang, I was hoping for a scumflip.

I am Yuri Lowell, Town Lone Wolf (modified vig), Tales of Vesperia (you can guess the modification). I didn't shoot last night because I wanted to see Rancid's flip. I shot him night1 because he was total scum (even if he flipped green).

Going home, but want that out there for discussion. I'll try to check in tonight.

Oh look another read I was right on.

Glad to see that my against-the-grain town reads have been good, even if my scum reads have been shit.

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I can't believe you of all people are asking me about that hammer. It was two days until deadline. The lynch wasn't going anywhere else. The games over 290 pages long, and the most of the discussion has been after mastin and then mastin making a fucktin of walls tha weren't giving anyone a clear read on him except more suspicions. What the hell do you think was going to happen in two days especially with the only person you trust to run the town and des/bro REFUSING to d anything else besides sit in that fucking neighborhood.

You act like I've been in the neighborhood.

You realize that I've borderline site flaked at this point, right?

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Also, this is the part where I tell you all I FUCKING TOLD YOU ALL ABOUT GIF FROM THE FUCKING ONSET, AND I FUCKING KNEW HE WAS A MODERATE TO STRONG PR.

Um

Congratulations.

Now if you could start being right about scum reads, then you can start bragging.

VOTE: Titan

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Penguins pretty much going to bat for bro being town, depending on how he plays it today I guess, but she's talking me down fro

1) You

just

modded a game where I was mislynched as town, and a lot of my emotionality (at least the genuineness of it) is the same in this game as it was there.

2) You also saw the dead QT for that game where penguin and I had a fairly extensive convo about how neither of us can read each other to save our lives.

So, you want me to ignore the town read she gave you orrrr?

Because I don't see your problem with that.

I feel like town-you should have gotten my point, or that I was gunning at something a bit more complex, especially given the conversation we had about Mina and Mala in Wicked re: their early read on Hanzo and how that informed my reads on them.

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You act like I've been in the neighborhood.

You realize that I've borderline site flaked at this point, right?

Hey BRO Im in a sort of similar state right now so work with me then?

Ive been turning up a lot of town losses recently and its getting depressing even if a lot of those were hydras where my buddy acted alone or I got NKd N1 and ya Im a little worn out on trying to do this shit. And I feel like Ive lost my old dedication to rereading things objectively on my own time to try and piece things together and take a reasonable approach. The goddamn apathy and bias and waffling in this game is like a reflection of my spirit in town games recently. So lets say we both actually give this game a good kick in the teeth for once? I think if we actually try we can pull this shit out still.

Deal? But you gotta stop hiding out in that damn private topic.

Also Im not totally convinced your town after recent F16 events, so lets work on transparency woooo.

I haven't been in the neighborhood QT much either. Desp has a bit more, but he's kind of weird with activity.

I also have reason to believe that you're telling the truth, even if everyone and their mother still seems to think otherwise.

Right now my reads on Tammy and Ceph/DV are most in question. I feel like they've positionally benefited from the noise that's happened this whole game (interesting that, since the day start, I'm the only one to even bring up Ceph/DV).

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I feel like when you were scum in attack on Titan you came after me with some bullshit reasoning for what you think I should do/get as town. You were off there and you're off here.

If you mean I shouldn't totally trust penguin, she knows I'm paranoid of her.

So then why are you having her read on me hold any water when you:

1) Don't trust her fully.

2) Know that even if she is town, her ability to read me isn't particularly strong.

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This is such fucking bullshit.

I should take a picture of that early day-1 positions map I drew. It had a nice little support arrow of DV/Ceph up your ass the way RBD was up mastin's.

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VOTE: Fox and Hound

This is probably a better place for a vote, for the same reason RBD was a better vote than mastin day 1 in my book.

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I also really need to sync up with Desp and run a full-scale VCA on this game.

I should have a block of time Saturday to run it. These flips and p5's claim make a full-VCA really shiny.

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we are also aware of which situations our role will fail in

mastin was scummy in house party and then she pushed the coug wagon through because he couldn't produce the right flavor quick enough. i don't even come close to regretting that and i don't understand why that game should automatically prevent me from pushing her in this game.

bro thinks this f-16 push sucks because f-16 scum would have had to have known that rbd wasn't actually a miller.

vote: magenta_thegreat

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You are also being pushed 3 ways from Sunday. Why is that?

because scum have mislynches to secure??

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i did, bro and pie and f-16 didn't so i chose not to pursue it.

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unvote
Vote: cupcakepanda

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we are van grants, instructor master, even night tracker. ap visited stalin last night.

out ability will fail against replicas.

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im also phone postung and my phine is running on the fumes of its fumes and im at work so i wint br able to stay. Panda is lying.

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we are van grants, instructor master, even night tracker. ap visited stalin last night.

out ability will fail against replicas.

Wait, what? If your ability fails against replicas, you are also a cop. So, you are a cop and if your target is town, you can track them as well?

yeah

panda why are you ignoring me also saying you are lying?

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hey panda

i am confirming that he did

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pretty amazing right

f16 i already did all that.

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we are van grants, instructor master, even night tracker. ap visited stalin last night.

out ability will fail against replicas.

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i have five minutes left tops

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bro picked our action

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@f16, no im not. we are even night only and aps role is scum directed.

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you give 3 name and scun decide which one you get, right?

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also my girlfriend is awesomr and randomly showed up at work and gave me her phone

i love that woman

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If you were so convinced I was scum last night, why didn't you track me?

Bro here, I submitted the action.

Wanted to resolve the dissonant read, especially given how strongly AP's been getting scumread by other people.

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kats scum fakeclaims here to remove another strong player at the cost of a scum slot that will never survive til lylo anyway

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and because it likely would have worked, obviously. especially if he vould cry roleblocked after ap flipped town

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who fucking cares about a perfect win? he isnt even reading the game.

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You guys could be a team. You guys could both be town. Maybe this is katsuki scum fake claiming but it goes against what I've experienced with katsuki as scum. I suppose he could be making an egregious misstep by thinking a player was more lynchable than he is, but I'm not certain I buy that.

People doing things horribly out of character happens?

In AoT, I fakeclaimed a vig shot as scum, but then in response to Cabd in Wicked post-game I wanted to say "I'd never fakeclaim a confirmable role as scum," because it's something that's very out of character for my play.

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Im just ridiculously startled that Katsuki is claiming that I lied about my role (Im not) and when someone steps in and confirms my action and my alignment in the same swoop, everyone starts circlejerking instead of wagoning Panda.

Really guys? I dont even have words to describe the level of bad townplay in this game has reached.

This is how I feel.

VOTE: Cupcake

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Occam's razor. Do you honestly think BROseidon-scum decided off the cuff INSTANTANEOUSLY to go for broke and defend me from a guilty claim?

In all fairness, it was Desp, not me, who made the CC. I was unaware of what was going on until I had a break in class.

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I get you think that everyone should just wagon ho, but do you remember Anything Goes? Remember how tentative you approached BBMolla and our situation? So, give me some of the same understanding you probably wanted people to have for you there when things just didn't add up.

How did AP and I handle that tentatively? We wanted to lynch the not-cop, and had you as confscum from his claim (which didn't change after he flipped Usurper, although me not considering the Usurper option was a bad technical mistake on my part).

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I did mean to say, I feel like more people should be expressing more remorse re RBD/mastin than is actually happening. CF is the only one I've seen much out of in this regard, and no I'm not asking everyone to have an emotional breakdown, but something really should have happened I think. Some of those people get to use neighborhoods as excuses, others probably less so (though I don't actually know exactly who I mean or anything)

This post is terrible.

1) RBD fake claimed miller as town. They had to die.

2) mastin was a mistake, but I'm not gonna sit around being sad about it. I'm gonna work out what I got wrong and go from there. Remorse is a wasted emotion here.

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vote: cupcakepanda

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JSU - if they are scum I'm going to be so fucking smug about this. Their role claim bugs me. Their behavior bugs me.

That shit about not looking transparent in thread to catch scum

setting them is such 14 year old VI bullshit I want to pummel something.

Desperados play in this game so much matches his play in charmed and the reckoning more so than red wedding or we the purple, that of anyone he should be understanding of bring suspicious of him, it's me considering in both those games I gave a scum him a pass.

The people are setting me up for a mastin town flip, when who does that anyway, is twitch inducing especially since he accused ffery who declared them town without a doubt. What else did I want to say? I HAD MORE.

Oh I hated the way des attacked ffery yesterday, it just felt so slimy, the whole give me a scum read from all those ends was just atrocious.

Maybe it was because it was a bad attack on the only person I think is town, and am buddying at this point!, but it just felt so off. But they're part of my claim dream state I'm rolling in so more on this later maybe.

i've never said the bold and i was annoyed when you chastized me for it the first time but seriously, if you're going to yell at someone for not reading posts you should get your glass walls replaced.

as for the italics, it's my fault you can't read me worth shit? you put me up for eviction three times in big brother and pushed me pretty hard in we the purple, iirc. we were opposite alignments in all of our other games. perhaps you just don't have the first fucking clue about what i would or wouldn't do as scum?

and finally the underlined, you mean these posts?

That's never been the pattern in the first place. If someone is reading me wrong, then I question their other reads and their understanding of the gamestate. If Mastin is town, then her understanding of the game state is warped by her misreading me.

this is pretty dumb considering townies have misread townies in every game of mafia ever

also you are seriously overrating how influential the neighborhood is and how much content it's robbing from the actual game thread. the vast majority of f-16's posting there has made its way here, either verbatim or spread throughout several posts.

uh???

all i want is one name, ffery. one scumread.

also in case it wasn't clear, the uh???? was in reference to you not wanting to intereact with mastin at all this day phase while simultaneously believing that sorting mastin is the key to unlocking the gamestate fypov

pedit: "i will vote mastin at deadline" isnt a fucking scumread, are you serious?

you voted me ap and orcinus at deadline d1 and last i checked you think we're all town now so...no

i stand behind every single point i made in that sequence.

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The bold comes from what falcon said you said in the neighborhood. If you didn't mean that perhaps you could have talked to me about it? Oh but no that would be too fuvking hard.

You don't get to yell at me for not knowing how to read you or knowing what you would or wouldn't do as scum while accusing me of setting you up for a mastin town lynch, trying to convince your neighborhood I'm scum when I'm town, and voting me at the start of the day.

At least I said I was going to approach you with an open mind, but listening to someone else's town read and thinking maybe I'm wrong there is apparently also offensive.

(PS: I had you as town in big brother.)

this is what Falcon said:

While this is true, the way BRO-Desp acted in the neighborhood indicated they have an awesome role for all these reasons:

1) D1, they lurked. Then they voted Rancid and lurked some more. I asked them why and they said it is because they wanted Rancid to gladiate them and didn't want to be active and obvtown so that Rancid chooses someone else. I took this to mean that they had a confirmable or an overall awesome role. This was way back early D1.

2) D2, I asked Desp why he wouldn't just talk about his suspicions in thread and he responded by saying that he is amused at all the ways scum are trying to set them up and doesn't care to be transparent in thread. The way he said it felt like he had no fear at all about being set up and that he could claim and talk his way out of anything.

he clearly gives the motivation that i gave for my actions in both instances, neither of which was "to catch scum setting us up." why should i bother talking to you about it if you're already misrepresenting a third party account?

tammy, you

literally set up the neighborhood based on the mastin townflip here

:

The central core as I see it are: Mastin, AP, desbro, you, stalin with a little pie and me added in for flavor.

The periphery is everyone else.

If Mastin flipped town my reads on desbro, nacho, pie and maybe you might feel in flux. That might be because of neighborhood, but I would be looking at all of you cross-eyed trying to figure out which one of you were scum pulling everyone's strings.

i

mistakenly

took "central core" to mean "town core" and commented in the thread after falcon had hypothesized that scum might be setting us up for a mastin town flip that you had just done that. and in that instance, the measured approach you just advised me to take a second ago was shoved to the side in favor of this:

So then what is your take on des's how dare I feel any suspicion towards your neighborhood whatsoever if mastin flips town nonsense that falcon relayed?

^it's more like f-16 theorized that ap and clyton are scum and the other two are setting up the neighborhood for mastin's town flip and i said "tammy and ffery are doing that"

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In case that's not clear.

FUCKING. BULLSHIT.

Oh my gods.

Falcon.

You actually think Desbro is town????????????????????

What the fuck are you people smoking.

Oh my fucking gods.

And quite frankly I'm pissed off at the suggestion I can't be suspicious/parnaoid of your neighborhood when the entire fucking game your neighborhood has been cloaked and we're just supposed to accept whatever trickles come out when one of you is ready to share it.

you can't be suspicious of our neighborhood based solely on mastin's townflip. the things that make f-16 and us town enough to be in your town core still make us town if mastin flips town.

PEdit: what are you calling bullshit on?

I NEVER HAD YOU IN MY TOWN CORE.

I DON'T HAVE A FUCKING TOWN CORE.

MY TWO READ APPROXIMATING A TOWN CORE ARE FFERY AND FALCON.

spit it out then

can you actually just turn on me completely and lynch me and get me out of this game.

i'm sick and fucking tired of watching you manipulate shit from the side aisles.

I need someone you're pulling crap on to flip town so maybe just maybe some people can see you for the snake you fucking are.

If that needs to be me, so be it.

so please don't lecture me on playing nice.

i'm not sure what that last bit is referring to.

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Doing it to avoid a nightkill when you're rolled is one thing. Doing it thinking you're catching scum for thinking you look scummy when you do is another.

guess it's a good thing i was doing that first thing and not that second thing then!

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Doing it to avoid a nightkill when you're rolled is one thing. Doing it thinking you're catching scum for thinking you look scummy when you do is another.

guess it's a good thing i was doing that first thing and not that second thing then!

No Desp, keep letting Tammy conflate our play styles into an amalgamation that makes 0 sense, because it amuses me.

It also shouldn't be hard to tell us apart, but people can't tell me/AP apart based on writing style so...

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The only thing I didn't like about this was that you didn't continue to engage me about it until we came to some sort of meeting of the minds or you pushed me like I was an actual scumread.But, you sat like a log in ny 169 while scumreading me, so even though I don't like how you did this, I can see it from town-you.

this was your response:

also in case it wasn't clear, the uh???? was in reference to you not wanting to intereact with mastin at all this day phase while simultaneously believing that sorting mastin is the key to unlocking the gamestate fypov

pedit: "i will vote mastin at deadline" isnt a fucking scumread, are you serious?

I've been exercising extreme restraint for days now, thinking that I had a bias problem going on. I may have a bias problem but I don't care any more. I'm not going to spend any more time rereading, rethinking, reconsidering, or trying to understand other players' reads on mastinssk.

I'm done.

It doesn't really matter when I vote. I doubt very seriously my vote will go anywhere else today.

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Tammy, what part of this do you not understand.

This is Bro. This is the player who uses gap logic to force other players to make inferences. Call it shitty all you like, but it caught mastin in AG, and it caught Mala in Wicked. Hell, AD used it to catch F-16 in AoT, as well, so it's not like this isn't a thing that you've seen be effective.

Desp is the player who intentionally manipulates town/scum meta to avoid NKs.

As a hydra, we're doing two different things, coming from two different players, who write in completely different ways. Ways that should make it glaringly obvious who's posting at any given moment.

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And yeah when someone says he says he's amused at the way scum is trying to set him up and doesn't care to be transparent in thread, that's what it says to me. If I misinterpreted, it would have been super easy, when you got annoyed, to go hey Tammy you misinterpreted that, maybe falcon could have too, but no one did.And quite frankly when I already suspect you and am worried you're the one manipulating the neighborhood and I hear you're saying someone else is setting you up for a town flip, who fuvking does that?, you don't think it's likely I'm going to think the person I already suspect of manipulating the neighborhood is pushing a town lynch and is using the neighborhood to set up the next one through that?

i just did, the 2nd time you made the mistake.

if you're so familiar with my scum game i literally have no idea why you're so gung ho about me being the one manipulating the neighborhood. for one thing, both of the games you are using as reference we me lurking like a fucking boss all game, and now you're using those games as evidence for how i'm masterminding a neighborhood with nacho, falcon, and piegif in it???

get real

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Which got nothing back from you.

what did you need? you already knew where i stood on mastin.

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ap
stalin
falcon
nacho
titan
peregrinev

----------------- <--------- line of lynchability

penguin_alien
red gyarados
fox and the hound

magenta_thegreat
cupcake panda

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effort at sorting me, your scum read, whom you had just accused of lacking scumreads would have been nice. Or engaging me about my PoE list.It's been pretty frustrating. I like to work with townreads and understand their perspective of the game state, regardless of their current read on me.

i didn't think you were scum

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i was frustrated with what i perceived to be you dragging your feet (despite your hydra partner having a hard scumread on mastin before waffling on it) and i wanted you to take a stand on something

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I do thi bro is capable of manipulating a game/neighborhood.

bro basically has not posted since his in thread breakdown

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Also, my point is after two wait three games where you were scum and I had you as town at certain points, and then you're in here behaving very similarly to your scum games, and saying you're behaving that way in the neighborhood, why wouldn't you recognize why I would be suspicious of you? Why is it oh she's setting me up? Why isn't it oh I'm behaving similarly to my scum game she's probably picking up those vibes?

because i had my head stuck in the sand

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Though IMO I took plenty of public stands on players despite having mush at the bottom of my PoE list.

and unfortunately most of those stances were in direct opposition to mine so i didn't want to hear it

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They are curently sitting in the lolcabdgame bin.

this shit is getting really old

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Are we aligning better now?

yes. is magenta really beli's top town?

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@ falcon: do you even know ap

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ap
stalin
falcon
nacho
titan
peregrinev

i really believe that if the 6 of us realize that we're all town this game is solved

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7* #slip

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I don't know if he's top of Beli's list, but Beli feels very strongly that the role has to be town despite cabd game paranoia.

does beli feel strongly that multiple gladiating roles must be town?

i think at the time his choice for the cagefight seemed ok but i thought business was town before and i think there were better choices. or he could have just put up two scummy people like us and rancid and let that resolve itself d1 rather than festering over into d2.

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Desperado, why are you townreading F16? I'm willing to listen. I mean I know I'm based on this but I just can't believe someone is capable of being this hypocritical and self assured. Plus the emotion at the beginning of today was sso out of place.

if you have time read big brother and don't spoil yourself. then come back at lylo and tell us who you would put up for eviction.

falcon has been insanely transparent all game in thread and in the neighborhood and the way he claimed miller was really town (mostly a bro point)

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"Why is f16 town?"

"Well he's been obviously town in thread and the hood"

Sigh.

/shrug, i didn't say it would be earth shattering. i don't think f-16 is capable of playing the way he's played as scum.

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and now i'm gonna go hustle up some cash money

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Are you scum-claiming?

he did that like two days ago

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I also refuse to believe an entire wagons worth of dumbfucks could possibly believe that I would play like this as scum. It literally makes 0 fucking sense.

please tell us more about how you playing to your town meta as scum makes "literally 0 fucking sense"

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Honestly the only possibilities for them being town is either I was blocked, or scum have some sort of redirection power.

nope. our role fails if we target a replica and our action pm says "angrypidgeon visited breakfast with stalin"

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because you seem to be having so much trouble, that means

angrypidgeon is confirmed town

. no matter what mental gymnastics you try to perform or boogeymen you try to conjure

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So yeah I get that I'm being bad, but what does that have to do with reading me? Considering you've actually argued in previous games that, if anything, more posts = scum DV, I don't get it. And it's not like I haven't provided enough posts for someone to get a read on me.

why did you tell everyone to be cruel and shit if you didn't come through on your promise to ~~changeeeee~~ if this was how you were going to react the first time someone followed your advice?

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No, just don't want to give you the chance to manipulate people in neighborhoods.

he's confirmed town.

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Perhaps people will re-evaluate us post-probable Cupcake scumflip. As much as I hate talking about associative tells without a flip I think he's pretty much claiming scum at this point, so y'all might want to start asking yourselves if we've been bussing him all game. Even if we haven't been very forceful, we've tried repeatedly to argue that the meta townreads were bullshit and to draw attention to someone who was visibly avoiding attention.

you don't really believe this do you

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its a day action

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game started on 3/31 just after midnight and we didnt get the neighborhood until 24 hours later

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Bro here. Can we avoid a hammer until I post a full VCA? I'll probably only do day 1, since the mastin lynch day 2 was a foregone conclusion, and therefore scum weren't really making meaningful decisions the way they had to during day 1.

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Giant-ass VCA's are hard.

Sent a draft to Desp, so we're getting there.

I did reach a logical impossibility in my analysis for the first time ever, though, which was kind of cool.

Just gonna leave this, color-coded, for everyone, though (coloring from my PoV, with our inno on AP+his inno on BWS in purple and the vig claim in blue)...

Votecount 1-31

With 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or nolynch.

PeregrineV

(2):

AngryPidgeon

,

Mac
MastinSSK

(1): CupcakePanda

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(5): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados,

Breakfast With Stalin

,

Rancid Broderick Drake, MastinSSK

, Kagura

AngryPidgeon

(1):

Lord Business
Rancid Broderick Drake

(6): CarbonFiber,

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,

PeregrineV

, The Fox and the Hound,

Yggdra Union

, Clyton
Not Voting (1): Titan

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I find it odd that there are basically two claimed cops in the game. One full cop (+tracker on town) and one limited cop (where scum choose one of three suspects to give back). My role PM confirms that there is more than one cop because it says that we appear as a replica to "all" cops.

If both the claimed cops are town and sane (which I wonder if they are), then the scum need to have some serious power to counter them.

if your role pm confirms there is more than one cop why do you find it out that there are basically two claimed cops???

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I find it odd that there are basically two claimed cops.

My role PM confirms that there is more than one cop

<3 you ap

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You're not confirmed town.

yes he is

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No, it isn't confirmed from Cabd but it is likely. What I found odd was from a game design perspective - putting two cops in suggests sufficient counters for the scum. If not, then it is too OP.

this seems like something you should be saving for when we've lynched a couple scum and they've flipped goon

why are you speculating that multiple cops might be OP (despite your role pm confirming the existence of multiple cops) because the scumteam that we know nothing about might not be powerful enough to counter???

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...no he's not and you aren't either. If you can't grasp my concept, go back to mafia school.

i'm plenty schooled, it's just that my education is faith based and you went to waffleschool

i think that's why we're like oil and water

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Also JSU, are you ignoring me for a reason?

hmmm?

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@ fox: our role is garbage, though. at best we can confirm two town on d5, or three town on d7 <---with four scum, if we're on d7 we did something wrong (and guess where we're headed!)

we just happened to get lucky and use it optimally last night. this is as good an opportunity as any to remind everyone that without our report on AP, katsuki's claim most likely would have resulted in securing a mislynch on AP, and if you don't think kats could use the roleblocker paranoia that is currently permeating the thread to skirt the lynch tomorrow you're fooling yourselves. think about that the next time you (or kats himself) tries to suggest that what he did was suboptimal scum play. it wasn't, he just got caught

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The game does have too many investigative roles though. Something is off.

are you fucking high

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NEITHER COP CAN ACTUALLY CATCH SCUM, DIPSHITS

HOLY CHRIST

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and again, this is a discussion that is better suited for d6 when there are two mafia goons flipped and ap and us are still alive

falcon, why the fuck are you dithering about with this bullshit right now? it's baffling.

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I must have missed something. Why can't he get reliable guilties? Apparently his role fails on scum, but if town, then he can track them as well.

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?

YOU'RE THE MILLER!

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Bro what is my alignment

this isn't bro

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Um

If the role fails when tracking scum

Then doesn't that mean if it fails you know you tracked scum

or did I miss something

our role would also fail if we targeted falcon, and we also likely wouldn't be able to tell the difference between our role failing because we targeted scum and us getting roleblocked

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you're probably scum

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I don't think it's as bad as you say, but can you then explain why you were trying to avoid being night-killed? (I'm pretty sure one of you mentioned that somewhere).

i was actually trying to draw rbd into gladiating us because we thought they were scum

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I did expect this game to be over though. I thought with the way yesterday went down and the annoying as fuck way that lynch happened, falcon looking at you, that scum had a way to end this game.

what kind of shit do you think the scumteam has where the game would be over at 7v4?

[Just Sheep Us]

I did expect this game to be over though. I thought with the way yesterday went down and the annoying as fuck way that lynch happened, falcon looking at you, that scum had a way to end this game.

what kind of shit do you think the scumteam has where the game would be over at 7v4?

[Just Sheep Us]

quick question:

JSU - All of day one and two you were arguing for an obviously town Cupcake Panda. Why did yesterday you immediately jump on the ohmygosh obvscum brigade and ditching your ohmygosh oh so town read and NOT account for any possibility that he could still be town and something went awry with the roles.

bro's townread was based entirely on katsmeta and i wasn't accounting for the possibility that something went awry with the roles because kats told us that nothing went awry with his role:

WTF WHATS WITH ALL THESE PAGES I THOUGHT DAY JUST STARTED

ON A SIDE NOTE

THERE WILL BE BLOOD ONCE I LOG IN PROPERLY (AKA WHEN I GET OFF WORK)
SOMEONE SCUM IS DYING

AP

FULLCLAIM NEXT POST

AP

FULLCLAIM NEXT POST

I already have? Im a modified cop. I submit 3 names every night and the mafia team selects one for me to get either Replica or Not Replica on. I was allowed to target Kagura on N1 and got no result which was weird. I got Not Replica back on BWS last night. Im in Tales of Hearts. Calcedny Arcome, Town Lawful Commander. I think I claimed all that before but its possible I havent.

THANKS FOR MAKING UP YOUR N2 ACTION YOU LYING SCUMFUCK

VOTE: AP

AP IS SCUM PLEASE LYNCH ACCORDINGLY

THERE IS A 0% CHANCE THAT YOU CARRIED OUT THAT "INVESTIGATION", AP

There is literally a 0% Panda has any rolerelated reasons to believe Im anything other than town.

Plesae everyone lynch the fucking Panda today. I swear to god, its really this easy sometimes.

P-edit: Escept I did and I got a result.

UNLESS YOU CAN CONVINCE YOURSELF THAT SOMETHING COULD HAVE INTERFERRED WITH MY ACTION

BUT LOLNOPE YOU DYING TODAY

YOUR ACTION EITHER FAILED OR YOU'RE LYING BUDDY #1

CHELSEA TORN
TOWN DELAYER

N1 MASTIN
N2 AP

YOUR ACTION EITHER FAILED OR YOU'RE LYING BUDDY #1

CHELSEA TORN
TOWN DELAYER

N1 MASTIN
N2 AP

YOU ARE LYING. I AM CONFIRMED VISITING STALIN.

I HAVE A PM IN MY INBOX SAYING STALIN IS NOT A REPLICA.

AND I HAVE A PM CONFIRMING MY ACTION

HUEHUEHUE TWO CAN PLAY AT THAT "LOOK AT MA INBOX" GAME

YOUR ACTION EITHER FAILED OR YOU'RE LYING BUDDY #1

CHELSEA TORN
TOWN DELAYER

N1 MASTIN
N2 AP

Explain what delayer means?

ACTION DELAYED BY ONE DAY/NIGHT CYCLE

AKA, THERE IS NO WAY AP COULD HAVE POSSIBLY GOTTEN A RESULT LAST NIGHT. HIS ACTION LAST NIGHT SHOULD NOT HAVE RESOLVED UNTIL N3.

[Just Sheep Us]

Aslo JSU - Why did you vote me yesterday when you did? You voted me for saying that you can't start bragging about your reads until you are right about scum.

that was bro so yo'll have to ask him. before claimgate i wanted magenta dead.

[Just Sheep Us]

That was after katsuki finally showed up and started talking about the too many investigative claims, which by the way is the only person to actually notice that too even though I brought it up.

this still isn't even remotely accurate