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Talitha wrote:And whoever murdered zu_Faul and/or desecrated his death post, that behaviour is not in keeping with the theme of the game. Please desist from such actions.unvote, vote: Talitha-
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was this a joke post by you, or do you really think dgb was editing peoples posts?Adel wrote:vote:DGBfor editing other people's posts.
I think she is more likely than average to have done it.
EDIT: this is a test edit to see what happens if I edit my post before another person posts.
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this is a post that I will edit once another persojn posts to see if the forum software will note that I edited the post.
Edit: this is a test to see what happens.Last edited by Adel on Thu May 08, 2008 2:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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ok, I edited my post 43 and it noted that I edited it. That should mean that zu_faul did not edit his own post.
I am editing my posts in a very transparent and mature manner. I'll let you know if I get a warning from the moderator to stop it, and all of you will know if I get modkilled for doing it.@Adel: I'm curious. Are you under the impression that because players have been given editing powers in this game, that it's okay to edit your posts at will? That strikes me as a very, very bad thing.
By mature mafia, does that mean that we are effectivly playing a mod-less game where we have to come together like adults and agree upon what rules we will follow? Can we realisiticly expect the scum to agree in good faith?
Or is there a hidden set of rules, and one player (presumably scum) is allowed to edit posts? That would be an important thing to know.
Coron sauid something about posting a votecount later, which led me to suspect that we are alone here without a moderator. If this is the case then the basic parameters of this game are the functions of the forum software and whatever we agree to.-
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perhaps we can write the rules ourselves?EmpTyger wrote: Rules:
You all know how this works.
We all have moderated games beofre, we do know how this works.-
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I'm waiting for a Pm back from our mod.
I sent a PM saying:I'm sure you are getting many PMs from other players.
My I edit the first post of the game to include
No player (living or dead) is allowed to edit any post without the consensus of more than 50% of living players or the explicit permission of EmpTyger.-
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I got a response. It wasn't clear.
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Vote Tally ---------- rajrhcpfreak (1): elvis_knits logicticus (1): DrippingGoofball coron (1): Axelrod elvis (1): rajrhcpfreak explicit (1): Adel count (1): Coron mathcam (4): Macros, Phoebus, Talitha, PookyTheMagicalBear FoS Tally --------- Log Summary ----------- elvis_knits casts first vote for rajrhcpfreak. Coron casts first vote for dgb. Coron unvotes for dgb leaving 0 vote(s). Coron casts first vote for count. Axelrod casts first vote for coron. rajrhcpfreak casts first vote for elvis. Glork casts first vote for phoebus. Macros casts first vote for mathcam. Phoebus casts vote 2 for mathcam. DrippingGoofball casts first vote for logicticus. Adel casts vote 1 for dgb. Glork unvotes for phoebus leaving 0 vote(s). Glork casts first vote for axelrod. Talitha casts vote 3 for mathcam. PookyTheMagicalBear casts vote 4 for mathcam. Adel unvotes for dgb leaving 0 vote(s). Adel casts first vote for talitha. Adel unvotes for talitha leaving 0 vote(s). Adel casts first vote for explicit. Glork unvotes for axelrod leaving 0 vote(s). Player Summary for Adel ----------------------- 25.0% of total activity (5/20) ------------------------------ Votes ------- (0) Cast vote 1 for dgb (0) Cast vote 1 for talitha (0) Cast vote 1 for explicit Unvotes ------- (0) Removed vote for dgb leaving 0 (0) Removed vote for talitha leaving 0 Fingers ------- Adel has not pointed any fingers Player Summary for rajrhcpfreak ------------------------------- 5.0% of total activity (1/20) ----------------------------- Votes ------- (0) Cast vote 1 for elvis Unvotes ------- rajrhcpfreak has not unvoted Fingers ------- rajrhcpfreak has not pointed any fingers Player Summary for PookyTheMagicalBear -------------------------------------- 5.0% of total activity (1/20) ----------------------------- Votes ------- (0) Cast vote 4 for mathcam Unvotes ------- PookyTheMagicalBear has not unvoted Fingers ------- PookyTheMagicalBear has not pointed any fingers Player Summary for Coron ------------------------ 15.0% of total activity (3/20) ------------------------------ Votes ------- (0) Cast vote 1 for dgb (0) Cast vote 1 for count Unvotes ------- (0) Removed vote for dgb leaving 0 Fingers ------- Coron has not pointed any fingers Player Summary for elvis_knits ------------------------------ 5.0% of total activity (1/20) ----------------------------- Votes ------- (0) Cast vote 1 for rajrhcpfreak Unvotes ------- elvis_knits has not unvoted Fingers ------- elvis_knits has not pointed any fingers Player Summary for DrippingGoofball ----------------------------------- 5.0% of total activity (1/20) ----------------------------- Votes ------- (0) Cast vote 1 for logicticus Unvotes ------- DrippingGoofball has not unvoted Fingers ------- DrippingGoofball has not pointed any fingers Player Summary for Macros ------------------------- 5.0% of total activity (1/20) ----------------------------- Votes ------- (0) Cast vote 1 for mathcam Unvotes ------- Macros has not unvoted Fingers ------- Macros has not pointed any fingers Player Summary for Talitha -------------------------- 5.0% of total activity (1/20) ----------------------------- Votes ------- (0) Cast vote 3 for mathcam Unvotes ------- Talitha has not unvoted Fingers ------- Talitha has not pointed any fingers Player Summary for Glork ------------------------ 20.0% of total activity (4/20) ------------------------------ Votes ------- (0) Cast vote 1 for phoebus (0) Cast vote 1 for axelrod Unvotes ------- (0) Removed vote for phoebus leaving 0 (0) Removed vote for axelrod leaving 0 Fingers ------- Glork has not pointed any fingers Player Summary for Axelrod -------------------------- 5.0% of total activity (1/20) ----------------------------- Votes ------- (0) Cast vote 1 for coron Unvotes ------- Axelrod has not unvoted Fingers ------- Axelrod has not pointed any fingers Player Summary for Phoebus -------------------------- 5.0% of total activity (1/20) ----------------------------- Votes ------- (0) Cast vote 2 for mathcam Unvotes ------- Phoebus has not unvoted Fingers ------- Phoebus has not pointed any fingers
thanks to weilawei and the script he posted at http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8316-
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I'm not the author of the script. The guys who are writing it have their thread hereGlork wrote:EBWOP: Some mods require that one unvotes before re-voting. Others do not. I'm curious to see what the next VC looks like, so that there will be no confusion going forward. (Incidentally, I am also curious to see how Adel's script reads a re-vote without an unvote.)
and could use some feedback.
I see two paths, either of which could work. The first would be to formulate rules and codify the parameters of this game, the other would be toall this propositioning for rules and the like is pointless, if someones of a mind to cheat they're going to do it, all these "50%" agreement rules simply arent feasable. AS I was informed by our mod, we're all big people now, figure it out. We all know the rules of mafia by now, abide by them as much as common sense allows you too.
Its called mature mafia, lets act mature and tell the truth when dead. If you want to cheat go ahead you shall be ridiculed and headhunted post game.ifwe are all mature enough to go along with marcos's plan, then it would work. The possible downside is the possibility of huge drama if one player does soemthing, thinking that it is within the bounds of mature action common sense, which other people disagree with. [/mech]-
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This is a great post.Macros wrote:whats wrong with you people, since when did this become a numbers game? I need 5 reasons, 1.5 over under? WHAT? just play the fucking game dont start throwing this crap out, we've enough to contend with without this bullshit.
I think the Cam wagon is a load of turd, I want to vote pooky but theres no point, he coudl be as eassily good as bad, i suppose it works for him.
I'm going tovote dgbfor blatant wagoning and no more.
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ah, this makes sense to me now. If the scum are cheating (editing posts, or whatever) then they effectivly lose their NK.elvis_knits wrote:Although I don't really like some of Glork's behavior, I don't really think he's scum. Mostly because of this post:
This mechanism of mafia submitting kills seems very likely. It immediately made sense to me, and I can't actually think of a better way for it to go down. And I guess this is WIFOM, but I can't see any real mafioso posting this. I know a mafioso could do it for that exact reason, etc. BUT. I think it's pretty unlikely. If it were me, I would avoid commenting on mafia killing mechanisms at all. The potential for getting myself in trouble is just too great.Glork wrote:DISCLAIMER: The upcoming post does not necessarily reflect what my own role may or may not be/include. I am merely using it as the simplest example I can think of off the top of my head, so as to make a point to Axel.
Consider the case of a mountainous game (aside from "mod powers" such as VCing). At night, the Mafia could simply PM their target saying something along the lines of "We are killing you. Please open the thread and reveal your role to the other players" -- perhaps even from an alt/anonymous account. The deceased player (n this case, Zu_Faul) complies, and the rest of us move on with our lives.
In the absence of a "killer" alt for PMing purposes, a situation such as the above example would create an interesting scenario in which the scums would have to rely on victims' honesty to not reveal their identities while the town relies on the scums to reveal themselves truthfully and to adhere to conventional game rules.
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whose alt is Shadow Lurker? rajrhcpfreak?ShadowLurker wrote:but someone has already broken that honor multiple times as the first two posts have been edited multiple times-
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I still have a nagging suspicion that something weird is going on.
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ok, I'm going to take a stand here. The mathcam wagon is a bullshit semi-random (probably fueled by scum) nonsense.
He shouldn't claim since he shouldn't be at lynch -1!
Someone please unvote him, soonest!
Otherwise, I guess he will have to claim, but it shouldn't come to that.
DGB will the "mafia firingsquad" thread as meta-cover is behind this, and I feel she is a much stronger lynch candidate than mathcam is. If nothing else, her association with this wagon should give the rest of you pause. At least unvote now and think about it.-
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unvote mathcam first, please.Talitha wrote:So your vote for "explicit" and Coron's vote for "count" count?
Vote: ditch the lame script
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ok so all players in this game were granted moderator rights and so have the ability to edit their own posts.
@Shadowlurker: please edit your above post (#230) to prove that you are legally allowed to post in this game thread. Otherwise you risk not only being considered a rude interloper, you risk the wrath of everyone playing in this game.-
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I suddenly suspect that Emptiger edited zu's post, and that Sl is posting here with her permission.
I think we would be best off if we ignore both.
Wiki software would be the easiest way to detect changes in the game.
Go to http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... rel=-10000 to view all posts, select all text, then copy paste onto a wiki page. Once in awhile edit that wiki page, and then the history page for that wiki page will show any changes.
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I would love for a couple of people to switch their votes to DGB to give her a taste of her own medicine.
DGB you are at -4 to lynch! Why haven't you claimed yet!
oh, wait, was I supposed to say she is at lynch -1?
ok then:
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She misrepresented the number of votes on mathcam to fortify her case for getting a claim.
That is called rolefishing, and just because it is so obviously anti-town doesn't mean she won't do it as scum, I fully expect her to do it as scum just so she can feel extra special and smug about it.-
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this is post 281, just sayin'.
I refuse to acknowledge "typical for DGB" as an excuse for anti-town behavior. I've been in a bunch of games with DGB in the last few months and while she has abused her meta to the point where people consider her anti-town actions to be a null-tell, I note her day 1 activity level and enthusiasm for a quick claim and I'm feeling more and more confident that she is scum.Glork wrote: I understand where Adel is coming from regarding DGB's misrepresntation of votecounts, but I don't see that as being out-of-the-ordinary for DGB.-
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well, according to axlerod's analysis at 253 the closest he came was lynch -2.-
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Glork I really wish you would've kept that to yourself.
This last page really breaks the spirit of the game. Quoting a role PM, and any derivative of quoting a role PM is both clever and wrong.
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Being mature includes knowing when to turn the other cheek, or at least knowing when not to jump to conclusions.
I now believe that Emptytiger was probably the person who changed Zu's post, for obvious reasons.
You are advocating cheating because of the possibility that the scum are cheating. I suspect that Marcos' missing post could very well be similar to Shadowlurker's presence: simply a test of our maturity.
As far as editing of posts in the future goes, check out the wiki article for mature mafia. And future changes in the historical record of this game will be documented thanks to the wiki software so long as one of us remembers to update the wikipage every so often, so that is now a moot point.
if anyone goes along with your approach elvis, I shall resign from this game in protest. I don't want to play in a game with cheaters, even if we share an alignment. Stop it.-
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and by "resign from this game" I mean I will modkill myself.-
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then you may want to consider asking to be replaced by someone who is mature enough to handle it.elvis_knits wrote:Well, I wouldn't want to play in a game where the mod is "testing our maturity" by screwing around and making it look like some of us are not playing by the rules.-
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the smug tone of our "mod" in the sign-up thread should have been a warning.-
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I enjoy grappling with out-of-context problems.
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So now that I've raised the possibility that it is in fact our mod who is responsible, do you still want to cheat?elvis_knits wrote:
How are we to proceed in a game where scum are cheating?
Answer: cheat the scum.
Understand that each character in the critical word(s) encode quite a bit of information. It is trivial to verify to alignment of every player in this game if we were to choose to take that route, assuming that no scum players saw&remember zu's original post, and assuming that only version of the non-scum alignment was used... and assuming that the scum didn't get a sample a non-scum role pm.
Why stop at only outing mathcam as scum? Why not solve this entire game right here and right now?
You've plainly stated that you recognize that it is cheating. I'm just disappointed that you are trying to rationalize doing what you know to be wrong. You may be town in this game, but I am beginning to suspect that you are scum in real life.-
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You are openly advocating cheating. I have no tolerance for cheating. Cheating ruins the game. I don't like people who ruin games.-
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Since that seems to be all of the reaction I'm going to get out of her, I'll lay my cards on the table:
I'm calling the scumgroup as being elvis_knits + mathcam + marcos
A random wagon landed on mathcam, and elvis_knits is bussing him.
scum being helpful by sharing information with the townelvis_knits wrote:I am pretty sure the first line zu wrote was "I am out of the game." Then something like "I was vanilla townsperson.
elvis_knits wrote:I believe we are playing a modless game.
The mod has given us roles to police the game ourselves, and chosen us as the sort of people to play fairly without supervision.
this is when she figured out that zu gave away the critical word!elvis_knits wrote:O... when I said before this is a modless game, I think that is the wrong way to look at it.
We have to play like we are all mods. A mod would not lie about the alignment of a player, even if that player were themselves. Because they are acting as mod.
she is warning her scumbuddies not to cheat.I would consider anyone who cheats to have lost themselves the game. I'm not really scared that people are going to abuse the freedom we have been given. Perhaps I am too much of an optimistic, trusting person.
But basically, you have to accept that there is the possibility that people will cheat, and play or not play on those terms. There is nothing we can do about it other than decide not to play.
As an ethical player she wants to say "it is ok, I am scum and I will not cheat!"It's like you're trying to act like townie scared the scum will abuse the setup.
As clever scum she wants to bus her partner and confirm herself at the same time! She knows from zu's post which word to look for, and she thinks cam doesn't.If mathcam does not claim in the correct way (that lets us know he is not scum), please nobody correct him. Just vote him.
she doesn't think there is anything illegal about it because she figured the word out honestly.I think it is perfectly mature and ethical to ask you to verify one word from your pm. The choice of term here is important. It is not asking you to quote your pm. It is asking you for one word. I see nothing potentially illegal in that.
I suspect that marcos is scum with her, and she thinks that he is the one who did the editing. She has the added frustration then of being ethical scum who doesn't cheat, but is acting like a townie who bends the rules, while being pissed at her partner marcos who is cheating by editing posts.We have already had scum take an unfair advantage by editing the first two posts and deleting one of macros' posts... and who knows what else. I am assuming scum is doing this. If you are a pro-town role and you did any of it, speak now.
How are we to proceed in a game where scum are cheating?
Answer: cheat the scum.
I think elvis_knits suspected that Marcos (instead of Emptytiger) is the mystery editor because of the non-native english thing, and then he edited his own post just for cover.
For the record I have no idea if Marcos actually was doing the editing, all that matters to me is that it seems very possible that elvis thinks he did.
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Sorry for being harsh earlier ellvis_knits, but I was trying to apply psychological pressure to get additional information out of you. I was trying to add stress to your life, which I have mixed feelings about, I can only apologize and hope that you understand.-
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Remind me not to let me drop my game-face around you again.Glork wrote:This bothers me. Perhaps it's because it feels insincere coming from Adel.
I put players under psychological pressure from time to time, and I don't think I have ever regeretted or apologized for it.
I think that little pink symbol under her avatar encouraged me to empathize with her more than I usually would, especially since she isn't in my "dumb bitch" category. Those cows I will happily brutalize all day long. Keep in mind I was in the military for several years, and today I work at a power plant that has an even more lop-sided male:female ratio, and I think she really was taking my insults to heart. If she were male I don't think I'd have second thoughts about it.
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while I don't like the way your partner bussed you, they proved in my mind that you didn't know the right word to drop. I think it was a bullshit wagon that happened to be accurate. 1/4 or so random wagons are going to be.mathcam wrote:I agree with the rajwagon.
Adel -- Unless I missed it, I was not at all mentioned in that last post, so I'm not sure how I got on the list. This seems to be in strong contrast to last Friday's-
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I have trouble believing that is a sincere objection.mathcam wrote:
You're seriously arguing that it's cheating to claim that you're pro-town?We aren't cheating or playing outside the rules because we did not open that door, you did when you partially claimed.
you could've immediate said something to the effect of "pro-town is a proxy for the word in my role pm".
Anyhow, there are four or five players who I think acted in an unethical manner by asking your for the precise word, or a letter, or whatever.
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@elvis: I doubt there is anything approaching a consensus rejecting psychological pressure as ethical play. FTR, I don't consider what you did to be unethical either, since you figured it out honestly.-
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I'm really interested in what Macros has to say about all of this.-
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I honestly thought that you were a townie acting unethically until I readelvis_knits wrote:Every one of Adel's interpretations of my post are based on an assumption that I am scum.
You can't assume someone is scum and then read their posts that way. You have to read their posts first and come to the conclusion that they are scum.
Then I quickly read through the first three pages to see which players, if scum, might have put 2 and 2 together.Glork wrote:I never said (or even suggested) that the wording still existed anywhere. I just stated that itused toexist in Zu's original post.I also think this is important so as not to "confirm" any scumbags who remembered Zu's post (such as whomever edited the post to begin with).
You stood out a little, so I read through all of your posts in isolation and had a serious moment of "Eureka!" -- almost enough to go racing naked through the streets of my town.-
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good point. This is a lesson that will effect my future play.elvis_knits wrote:Forum Rules and Guidelines wrote:You should not make any post, or start any thread, with the intention of abusing, ridiculing, insulting, offending, or upsetting any other user on this site. Within a game, criticism of another player's play is acceptable - making it personal is not, and may result in action by the moderator of that game. Outside a game, determination of the intention of the poster will be made by mith, or someone appointed by mith.
Did you notice that I apologized? I meant it.-
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I quoted all of those lines from you because they collectively establish your guilt. You responded to the lines, then had a second response when you figured out just how literally honest Zu was. And you wrote all of that stuff establishing your position on cheating... and then you pretended to be willing to cheat to lynch scum.elvis_knits wrote:Adel, so you think that because I remembered zu's post correctly that I must be scum??-
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that discrepancy, the difference between being so anti-cheat, and then so pro-cheat, is most easily explained by you writing the anti-cheat passages from your natural scum perspective, and then being willing to cheat from your "town" perspective. You saw your partner in a bind, and so you choose to buss him using a method of convenience.-
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I am not supporting the raj vote for a number of reasons, one of them being that I don't have any mod powers either.
There simply aren't 12 mod duties to hand out, and I'm pretty sure that what mod powers there are were handed out proportionally between town and scum players.
I also doubt that we are in a town free of power roles, and I think we should stick to the general rule of the less we talk about power-roles the better off we are, and I think mod duties should also be thrown in with that group. No talkie talkie says I.
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posting this in all threads: I got dragged away for a surprise camping trip, and just got back. I will catch up asap.-
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this post is the one that made the most sense to me.PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:you wote:
On a related note, I'm very suspicious of Glork, raj, and DGB for pushing for a claim. In my role PM, there is a very clearly delineated difference between my alignment and my role. There's no doubt that I will claim pro-town as my alignment, and given that my role is presumably independent of my alignment, I'm not sure what there is to gain from that either. Not only is it therefore bad play to claim (unnecessarily giving away information), it's also scummy to push for a claim. It's also possible that the scum role/alignment structure is set up differently, and thus that scum didn't know how worthless it would be to push for a claim. Raj is the scummiest of those three, so he gets my vote.
It seems to imply that there would be no information gleened from the alignment section of your role pm, which could only be true if all alignment PMs were the same and thus offered no information, which could only be true if you assumed this was a vanilla only setup.
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he admits to changing zu's post, and can't offer a good explanation for it.Glork wrote:Ugh. I hate how Macros and Pheebz seemingly want to throw in the towel. I'm not willing to lynch Pheebz right now, and I'm not sure about Macros. I've never played with him before, but if Pheobus and Pooky are vouching for him, I'm suddenly less willing to lynch him than I was this morning.
Adel's vote is particularly worrying, which flies in the face of the earlier read I had on her.
the way I see it either:
a. he is scum who totallyy blundered his mod-power claim
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b. is town, but would remain a distraction so long as he lives.
Either way, I don't him around in end-game.
So far his best defense is Pooky claim hat he is a terrible player.
Lynching him seems a pretty obvious choice to me.
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@Phoebus:
Macros wrote:@ Tall, I assumed iot was to give the game flavour, hence my excitement when the game started, I assumed (obviously quite wrongly) this was an oppourtunity for me to delight the masses with witty death scenes, my early foray to test the waters showed clearly everyone was not clued in to the idea (that I thought was immeadiately obvious) that despite the mature title, this game would be a delightful trip down a twisted nostalgia lane, chock full of old jokes, and random bullshit. But no, I was filled with disgust at the serious tone in pretty much everyones post, I was then forced to play dumb for fear of a pogrom on my fine self for editing the post (which is my job).Macros wrote:
why not? its my job.Axelrod wrote:
Wait, wut? Did I miss something?Macros wrote:yes, the death post alterer would be most happy with a deadline.
Did you edit zu_Faul's post?
Why?
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reading marcos' posts leaves me feeling hung over,, and without the fun of inebriation to compensate.
How in the hell does editing a player's post equate with writing a deathscene?
Especially when role an alignment are taken out?
He also now claims that part of his job is to confuse people?
nonsense, or at least it isn't the kind of sense I care to deal with.
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Did anyone notice how much I rock for figuring this out?Adel wrote:I suspect that marcos is scum with her, and she thinks that he is the one who did the editing. She has the added frustration then of being ethical scum who doesn't cheat, but is acting like a townie who bends the rules, while being pissed at her partner marcos who is cheating by editing posts.
I think elvis_knits suspected that Marcos (instead of Emptytiger) is the mystery editor because of the non-native english thing, and then he edited his own post just for cover.
For the record I have no idea if Marcos actually was doing the editing, all that matters to me is that it seems very possible that elvis thinks he did.
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Glork wrote:
Winner winner chicken dinner.logicticus wrote:
This totally ignores the matchcam kill simply for your case. How do you know the scum group killed pooky and not cam?Axelrod wrote:Here is where I am coming from to start the day: Glork and Coron are probaby scum.
Pooky was suspicious of two people yesterday - Mathcam and Glork. Mathcam is dead and was town. I do not believe the scum would kill Pooky if he was that wrong about both of them.
Vote: Glorkvote: Axelrod-
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you find this claim iffy?Phoebus wrote:Post cleaner.
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fun fact: I just read http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... start=1234 which is from a fairly recent theme game our mod ran. Each (except for one) scum had a safe claim vuia a fake role pm.
zu_Faul and rajrhcpfreak were in that game as well.
I don't have any conclusion based off of this, but the data seemed interesting enough to share.
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I agree with this, and that leaves me withAxelrod wrote: What it suggests to me though, is that at least one (and very possibly only one) of DGB, Glork, or Adel is scum.unvote, vote:DGBsince it looks like a better than 50% chance of her being scum from where I sit.-
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I suspect our mod didn't spend too much time worrying about abuse of mod powers... we are all supposed to be mature, after all.logicticus wrote: If the deadliner was scum, could they really take advantage of that? I mean, if they set an unreasonable deadline or one too quickly, we would all be up in arms and would be able to peer pressure it back. Conversely, if the deadliner refused to budge, they would probably get lynched for it, so I just dont see how it can be used for scums benefit.-
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