Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Alisae]

Dunn was 100% a mech kill
After seeing your last kill fail, why would you risk having that happen to you again?

[Alisae]

He wanted to lynch Iconeum (LOL)

[Alisae]

I told them my plan to just come out of the gates voting maria and they were okay with it but scum have no reason to know that was a thing I was going to do.

[Alisae]

Its not that I’m against it, I definitely think he’s scum
I just want the game to end quicker.
I could just lynch GE and Dann and Cephir.

Its a matter of “Ok, do I want to lynch MariaR on D10 and waste time or do I want to lynch her on D7 and not waste time”

[Alisae]

Idunno u tell me
If u knew u were going to lose the game, would you want to lose it on D7, or D10?

[Alisae]

We might have investigation results by D10 though.

let me ask you a different question
Do you scumread Iconeum?
Because this assumes that you definitely trust PB.

[Alisae]

Then you should have no problems with a mariar lynch

[Alisae]

Yes but I would rather lose the game on D7 then D10.
Sure there could be an investigation result. Maybe I could save 2 more lives.
But I really don’t want to rely on that stuff. And also it would feel kinda super cheese if PB did get a guilty or I did save 2 more people.

[Alisae]

Plus I’m as confident in Ico town as I am in Cephir, Dann, Gamma scum, so MariaR is left and she goes in the scumbin anyway

[Alisae]

Ok lets talk about it unvote mariar first tho

[Alisae]

I mean... if we assume that Gamma/Dann/Ceph are all scum, and PB is town, and scum don't have any remaining way to kill or block PB, then we have a good chance to win without knowing the last scum, by lynching those three and protecting PB every night. Eventually it will come to PB + Iconeum/Maria/Menalque going into nights, and all PB has to do is randomize his track for a 5/6 chance of winning without any reads at all.

From those assumptions, our EV jumps from 1/3 to 5/6 if we lynch the known scum first. That's not negligible.

he was blocked N5

[Alisae]

You need to realize something thats very important SS
the track result would be the most important BEFORE the last scum is left alive.
As soon as D10 actually hits and no one dies, we are stuck with F4 of PB, Iconeum, Mena, Maria
I actually hate that F4 because simply put, its going to get very inactive very quickly.

And even then, its just going to be a 1v1 with Iconeum and Maria

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:

it's half past midnight and i am w i i i p e d
and i have a lot of work tomorrow

i'll try my best. this phase may end up lagging a lil.

yeah I am going to go to bed as well.
I think while an ISO can easily make you think that a slot could be scum, its only an ISO. There’s context. Thats something I really have an issue with. I don’t think going into an ISO and trying to dissect it based on what he is specifically saying is smart. Its about what he’s doing.

Also Icon has a team, how is his team playing around his slot?
And for starters, Cephir’s case on Icon is just so bad. Hell, if both of those are scum together, I’m pretty sure Cephir just continues to let me do what I am doing and defend Icon as I am while focusing his attention somewhere else. Going for the bus there doesn’t make all of that much sense to me.

Dann bussing it when you decided to push it D4 also makes no real sense.
Why would scum!Dann decide to bus there?

[Alisae]

if ur town just vote mariar
I've just accepted that if I'm not 4/4 on my reads, we lost the game, and while we could lynch obvious scum, I don't want to drag the game out any longer.
Its to the point where if ur name isn't Mena, SS, or wooper, I'm most likely going to not see your posts (literally)

Sorry but I’ve been a weird streak where I’ve had a 50/50 win loss rate recently and I need a win to keep the balance I believe and I really do not mind 50/50 rn
So let’s actually try this game?

you’re scum

[Alisae]

As soon as D10 actually hits and no one dies, we are stuck with F4 of PB, Iconeum, Mena, Maria

You think scum would go for the draw after all that?

honestly a draw would be very fucked up in that situation.

[Alisae]

he was blocked N5

Oh, that's even better, because either it's one-shot like Pine said, or one of the scum members is the roleblocker and the odds are good we'll lynch them before N9.

Formerfish was blocked N3

[Alisae]

honestly a draw would be very fucked up in that situation.

Exactly, so scum won't go for it.

no it would be fucked up on Jingle’s part because we’re trying to force scum to play into our hands mechanically. Jingle declaring that a draw would essentially deny town a win in a situation town would deserve a win

[Alisae]

ok i think im high but I'm explaining this wrong but

I'm betting the game on my reads and I want the game to be over if I'm wrong, so I'm at this point willing to quick lynch.

Gamma at this point is scum and he's not hiding it.
Krazy's cases on Dann was awful and Cephir made a horrible case for Icon so Cephir is also scum
Dann is scum because if he was town he would still put effort into lynching that slot or try as hard as he could to get that slot to be lynched. It wouldn't make him townie, but its just the right thing to do.
Firebringer flip as well as a recently finished game suggests to me that this isn't town!Maria's lategame. She does stuff here. What is she doing right now?
Boom nothing.

I think the only fresh points anyone ever brought against me were from Fire and they were still way off base. I don’t think you’ve ever stuck to calling me town even with your statements of “scum!Gamma wouldn’t out the watcher like that”. So please for the love of pizzas tell me what makes you think I specifically am scum. Also if PB ends up end gaming because he was stonewalled by you I will have your ass. I really think despite not being exactly made in good faith that case on PB has solid points.

I'm sorry I'm not interested in lynching town

Hey here’s an idea
Maybe don’t just stick to your shitty reads after you’ve been proven wrong, and instead actually try to, you know, play the game?

you’re scum

[Alisae]

I'm sorry I'm not interested in lynching town

Hey here’s an idea
Maybe don’t just stick to your shitty reads after you’ve been proven wrong, and instead actually try to, you know, play the game?

culture of shitting on the IC ends today gamma.
if you're unhappy with the solve, do something to fix it. if you'd like inspiration, watch my discomfort on the communal Ico read and take inspiration.

I'd personally fucking love to see some ass kicking out of you.

what is going to suddenly make gamma town?

[Alisae]

Formerfish was blocked N3

Scum had a JK that night, and they almost certainly have at least one strongman shot.

PP visited you.
PB confirmed this.

[Alisae]

Also wooper, we already established that scum was super okay with bussing LLD.
MariaR, Krazy, Dann, GE, all voters on that wagon (from memory)
Why would Icon decide to defend LLD. He’s the odd-man out in this situation.

[Alisae]

Pine is baller enough to tell the truth about that and smart enough to lie about that.

Yo Ali didn't pine say something about a jinglenet message he shouldn't have been able to see at some point?

My take is that it either means nothing or one or both of those happened more than once

I'm sorry I'm not interested in lynching town

Hey here’s an idea
Maybe don’t just stick to your shitty reads after you’ve been proven wrong, and instead actually try to, you know, play the game?

culture of shitting on the IC ends today gamma.
if you're unhappy with the solve, do something to fix it. if you'd like inspiration, watch my discomfort on the communal Ico read and take inspiration.

I'd personally fucking love to see some ass kicking out of you.

I don’t want to shit on the IC but it’s damn clear e’s not playing the game to win. I feel like Ciera Easton in Survivor Second Chances rn

ur scum

[Alisae]

PP visited you.
PB confirmed this.

Right.

Well uh I'm putting whatever faith in Jingle I have left that the roleblocker is a player and not Pine.

I would rather make the hard decision now then make the hard decision on D10

[Alisae]

We need to make the hard decision eventually
Sooner the better

[Alisae]

Also wooper, we already established that scum was super okay with bussing LLD.
MariaR, Krazy, Dann, GE, all voters on that wagon (from memory)
Why would Icon decide to defend LLD. He’s the odd-man out in this situation.

I think it's rare a scum team all takes the exact same stance. Unless the situation really calls for, generally a scum team that large can have players all over the different sides of a wagon/issue.

You are also scum

[Alisae]

Idunno u tell me
If u knew u were going to lose the game, would you want to lose it on D7, or D10?

We don’t know we’re going to lose though
It feels like you’ve given up which makes me super angry. I recently finished a game where I fought rather hard to not get screwed by bad timing.

lol dude ur scum

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Neither of us shall fall. The walls are closing in on u alisae.

VOTE: Fire
I don’t like the way this feels

Gamma were you town or scum reading Fire here?

What is your top scum read right now, if you even have one?

this is really cute Dann!

[Alisae]

Also wooper, we already established that scum was super okay with bussing LLD.
MariaR, Krazy, Dann, GE, all voters on that wagon (from memory)
Why would Icon decide to defend LLD. He’s the odd-man out in this situation.

I think it's rare a scum team all takes the exact same stance. Unless the situation really calls for, generally a scum team that large can have players all over the different sides of a wagon/issue.

You are also scum

you can ignore me posts like you said you would instead of spamming the thread thank you

I feel like its important to remind people

[Alisae]

Eh whatever I’m going to bed

[Alisae]

ig I can’t stop scum from posting so...

[Alisae]

Also wooper, we already established that scum was super okay with bussing LLD.
MariaR, Krazy, Dann, GE, all voters on that wagon (from memory)
Why would Icon decide to defend LLD. He’s the odd-man out in this situation.

I think it's rare a scum team all takes the exact same stance. Unless the situation really calls for, generally a scum team that large can have players all over the different sides of a wagon/issue.

You are also scum

you can ignore me posts like you said you would instead of spamming the thread thank you

I feel like its important to remind people

I can put "btw Alisae thinks I'm scum" on the end of each one of my posts if that'd make you feel better

btw Alisae thinks I'm scum

<3

[Alisae]

Also wooper, we already established that scum was super okay with bussing LLD.
MariaR, Krazy, Dann, GE, all voters on that wagon (from memory)
Why would Icon decide to defend LLD. He’s the odd-man out in this situation.

I think it's rare a scum team all takes the exact same stance. Unless the situation really calls for, generally a scum team that large can have players all over the different sides of a wagon/issue.

You are also scum

Fucking stop this shit. It’s not helping.
And I wouldn’t mind your reads as much, if you would show that they actually are thought out. You don’t need to read the whole damn game back over but please don’t just jump off a cliff here.

Lol dude can you just lolcat already?

[Alisae]

You tried this shit in V’s variety hour and I didn’t give a single fuck and my read never changed.
Want to contribute to the thread?
Post funny pictures and gifs.

[Alisae]

Wooper Icon was being voted by Ceph and Dann D6
MariaR was voting Dann
Gamma and Icon were voting Fire

[Alisae]

Also wooper, we already established that scum was super okay with bussing LLD.
MariaR, Krazy, Dann, GE, all voters on that wagon (from memory)
Why would Icon decide to defend LLD. He’s the odd-man out in this situation.

I think it's rare a scum team all takes the exact same stance. Unless the situation really calls for, generally a scum team that large can have players all over the different sides of a wagon/issue.

You are also scum

Fucking stop this shit. It’s not helping.
And I wouldn’t mind your reads as much, if you would show that they actually are thought out. You don’t need to read the whole damn game back over but please don’t just jump off a cliff here.

Lol dude can you just lolcat already?

Let me ask you this: what do you think is more likely, strictly by probability? You actually did catch the entire team and I’m trying to damage control, or you’re wrong somewhere, and I’m trying to fix that?

no one asked you to do damage control

[Alisae]

I’m not trying to get you to plain change your mind, I am trying to get you to rethink things. If after that you still think the way you do now then whatever. You act like you’re so right when one of your scumreads JUST FLIPPED TOWN. WAKE THE FUCK UP!

Excuse me what

[Alisae]

Go to bed Ali.

trying its hard to turn my ipad off

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I don’t want to shit on the IC but it’s damn clear e’s not playing the game to win. I feel like Ciera Easton in Survivor Second Chances rn

Alright let's put it this way.
How many slots are in the game?
How many slots do you have control over?
Is Alisae that one slot?
No.

Shitting on em for not having a perfect solve when you're POE scum for doing sweet fuck all isn't a pot/kettle situation. it's either shamefully disrespecting the effort Ali is putting into the game, or it's scum manipulation (which is admirable, but truly shockingly bad play here).

If you're not happy with the gamestate, you have the power to fix it. And you fix it by being productive and playing to your wincon. Not by shitting on other people for playing to theirs.

duckie OUT *drops mic*

dude he’s desperate and he’s scum stop engaging with him

[Alisae]

Now I’m gonna have to go soon so don’t fuck the game up ffs

when did you start caring?
You haven’t cared since D1.
D4 you just gave your vote to pine and whatever, and since ur not actually doing anything.

Ur scum dude

[Alisae]

Now I’m gonna have to go soon so don’t fuck the game up ffs

yo next time you're in here please do something that's not whining at Ali thank you

I feel like getting content out of you here is like pulling teeth

he’s scum didn’t you know this

[Alisae]

Ali I'll sheep whatever you want tomorrow but only if you go to bed right now.

I’ll try to turn the ipad off and not reopen it

[Alisae]

Yeah wooper I think I just want to lynch mariar

[Alisae]

Didn’t we already do that?

[Alisae]

Like it doesn’t matter if its Maria or icon, its always with ge, dann, ceph

[Alisae]

Lol

[Alisae]

Okay sure Pine
Who is ur scumteam then

[Alisae]

Okay sure Pine
Who is ur scumteam then

You’re going to be upset

I’ve told u this
If I’m not 4/4 I’ve already accepted that I lost

[Alisae]

Okay sure Pine
Who is ur scumteam then

[Alisae]

/me lights a joint

[Alisae]

nah dude I need a smoke

[Alisae]

lol ok

[Alisae]

gg

[Alisae]

yay now time to get yelled at by people wooooooot

[Alisae]

yay now time to get yelled at by people wooooooot

I’m not gonna yell at you ali I think you did a good job and it was nice playing with you

u2 dude ur fine lmao

I'm not really like upset or anything I'm kinda just done imo.
Fun game lol.

[Alisae]

I think I should avoid playing mafia until TM for the sake of my mental health or something
/shrug

[Alisae]

like uh
I feel like if I was an actual player in this game, I would have replaced out if I interacted with LLD that way.
The only reason why I didn't (even though I was offered to) was because I felt obligated to see it through, and I wanted to see it through. I also wanted to use this game to try and test myself and see if I can beat Pine's game. Its kinda like a dream for me to actually be a town treestump in this game. That sort of thing is something I wanted to do for a very long time. Its just something I wanted to do for awhile, I just wish there was just less drama overall.

[Alisae]

I'm going to stop beating myself up now.
gg i was never scumreading Iconeum.
Thats a bus I would have never identified just from the perspective of it making no logical sense.

[Alisae]

bastard mechanic
bastard game
luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuul

[Alisae]

while I agree the setup is slightly scumsided I think 2 masons + ari + weak hider + strongman doc is a lot of mech town and a reliable way of protecting mech town.

Vig + desp + 2 masons + hider is maybe six mech town in an optimistic scenario, but it's really easy for the scum to figure out the masons, as I said, because the message mechanic and Ali being a doc and knowing the masons encourages the game to devolve into "everyone sheep Ali."

I kind of
did way too much with that message mechanic
then I was supposed to

it was intenteded to be a flavor thing where we make people feel special for playing the invitational (except I never wrote anything for replacements because I wanted to get high and play video games instead of making our guests feel special lul)

it became "hey, lets play telephone where I signal to people and they signal back to me"
I am proud of those signals and would likely use them again
I don't think Pine could identify what they were they were just that good

[Alisae]

I agree; in hindsight, the governor fruit was not great, and frankly giving it to Firebringer was not a good choice for the health of the game.

that fruit doesn't need to exist.

[Alisae]

while I agree the setup is slightly scumsided I think 2 masons + ari + weak hider + strongman doc is a lot of mech town and a reliable way of protecting mech town.

Vig + desp + 2 masons + hider is maybe six mech town in an optimistic scenario, but it's really easy for the scum to figure out the masons, as I said, because the message mechanic and Ali being a doc and knowing the masons encourages the game to devolve into "everyone sheep Ali."

It was easy to figure out the Masons because they didn't bother hiding.

PE: Especially the way Ali abused the hell out of it

I mean aside from slipping it while interacting with LLD btw, masons are usually hard to keep hidden when its especially known that ur a mason. I'm not sure how I was supposed to do that with how I played the game.

[Alisae]

I feel like the message mechanic is somewhat town sided

lol...I was posting every message that Ali sent me to the scumchat..."Is it a trap?" I think Pine made me paranoid.

one of those messages was a trap but its execution was super poor so it was caught out super easily.

[Alisae]

one of those messages was a trap but its execution was super poor so it was caught out super easily.

Yeah uh ngl

I was really really lost when you were sending me that plan lol.

What exactly were you hoping to accomplish?

a reaction lul beats me

[Alisae]

The reason why I picked the masons the way I did was I thought I was going to get way more help early game to cover for when I'm awful at the game then I actually got.
Sure LLD lynch is really nice, but I didn't really get much early game support from outside of that, and I don't think me and Kats could actually work together, because at the point we tired too, I was doing the things I do late game where literally no one can keep up with me, and Kats reads were just wrong (while strongarming me to lynch those reads) and it was getting impossible to hide us being masons D5.

Like, I feel like I should be able to carry my own weight at Late Game, but I need support Early Game. If I don't have that support, then it can be hard to recover. Especially when D3 people were actually able to play the game w/o bullshit (even tho there was bullshit) and D3 mason PT was super dead.

[Alisae]

we could've had so much fun as masons aliiiiiiii
but we're furret and wooper. we're irl masons. so it's ok.

I don't remember if you were on my list of names (its pretty easy to check tho) but I don't think you were because considering how our hydra attempts went, my mason drafts were mostly focused around early game support and people who could reasonably work well together with.

[Alisae]

Your reads were actually pretty on point, Gamma. You've got to be a lot more confident in prosecuting them.

gamma had reads?

My point exactly. He did, and they were pretty good, but no one listened.

^Gamma this is why I like u btw^

[Alisae]

Kats and GIce were strong at forming reads

glances at Katsuki's reads

D1 they were a force to be reckoned with

[Alisae]

alright game over lets have fun before we can't anymore who wants to do something fun any ideas?

[Alisae]

Your reads were actually pretty on point, Gamma. You've got to be a lot more confident in prosecuting them.

gamma had reads?

My point exactly. He did, and they were pretty good, but no one listened.

^Gamma this is why I like u btw^

Why did you not listen to me lol

I'm not sure how you expect me to have some epiphany that I should follow you. Best thing you could have done in your spot is meet me in the middle and vote someone we agreed on.

[Alisae]

like I think if you just
put down a vote
on something we both agreed on
that would have been the lynch for the day and we will still be playing this game.

I think it would also bring some town points to your slot

[Alisae]

I'm soooo happy I got lynched before I could post! Thanks Ali and town you're great happy to be here.
Not like you should've listened but hey oh well

we lynched gamma lol

[Alisae]

like I think if you just
put down a vote
on something we both agreed on
that would have been the lynch for the day and we will still be playing this game.

I think it would also bring some town points to your slot

But you didn’t ONCE indicate you would actually do that with all your “I’m ready to lose” talk

so talking to me when I am specifically blocking out your voice and not wanting to engage with you is going to make me suddenly follow you because why?

[Alisae]

I'm soooo happy I got lynched before I could post! Thanks Ali and town you're great happy to be here.
Not like you should've listened but hey oh well

we lynched gamma lol

Shhhh
I'm trying to make a joke

[Alisae]

like I think if you just
put down a vote
on something we both agreed on
that would have been the lynch for the day and we will still be playing this game.

I think it would also bring some town points to your slot

But you didn’t ONCE indicate you would actually do that with all your “I’m ready to lose” talk

so talking to me when I am specifically blocking out your voice and not wanting to engage with you is going to make me suddenly follow you because why?

I was trying to get past that, but honestly you need to listen to people instead of blocking out things that inconvenience you.

I block things out because I don't want to give scum room to look town.
Its a very wisdom-esque way of playing the game, ik.

[Alisae]

Jjh wqd partly mech cause I thought he was bus driver kekeke

shouldn't have pine told you that we explicitly didn't want bus drivers and re-directors?
I mean I did that shit already and Pine didn't want apart of that wild ride again.

[Alisae]

Also
I got 2 saves I think
I'm pretty happy with that actually.

[Alisae]

The mention of Rising Star in the temptation was simply another carrot to dangle in front of him.

I don't think this is important and the fact its being regarded as important is dumb

[Alisae]

like I think if you just
put down a vote
on something we both agreed on
that would have been the lynch for the day and we will still be playing this game.

I think it would also bring some town points to your slot

But you didn’t ONCE indicate you would actually do that with all your “I’m ready to lose” talk

so talking to me when I am specifically blocking out your voice and not wanting to engage with you is going to make me suddenly follow you because why?

I was trying to get past that, but honestly you need to listen to people instead of blocking out things that inconvenience you.

I block things out because I don't want to give scum room to look town.
Its a very wisdom-esque way of playing the game, ik.

Okay
So why would me, from your perspective, attempting to bus, make me townier?

if it makes you townier?
who knows, maybe I townread it maybe I don't? I actually don't know.
But making a play and doing something proactive, is way better then trying to convince me that you're town when I never want to hear you out.

[Alisae]

Dude, Fire, read the game. He torched my offer and outed it. That he then STILL voted you is more about you than him.Self-awareness, but pupper.

no my point is he played exactly how you wanted him to, i have no idea why you think this is scummy material and it confuses me.

shut the fuck up boomer

[Alisae]

Dude, Fire, read the game. He torched my offer and outed it. That he then STILL voted you is more about you than him.Self-awareness, but pupper.

no my point is he played exactly how you wanted him to, i have no idea why you think this is scummy material and it confuses me.

shut the fuck up boomer

not appropriate.

if you want to anti-nom it, shoot an anti-nom through my pms with a reason as to why.

[Alisae]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuck the amount of posting in this game

it was good for the first 2-3 rl days then it kinda just
popped off

[Alisae]

Whatever happened to the days when Gay Mafia 1 was a Large Theme we disposed of in a satisfying way in 30-something pages?

games are faster now

[Alisae]

THAT GAME WAS SO FUN

[Alisae]

except when it wasn't

[Alisae]

Ali, I hereby officially challenge you as a town treestump. You can be scum or the mod. Same rules. Either a large or mini is fine. Do you accept my challenge?

yeah
I could go for that.
It seems like I shouldn't stress out so much about that.


I'm not going to mod tho, so if you got ideas for a mod, shoot em.

[Alisae]

Jingle/Pine, you might want to out details about how the draft worked.

Let's start at the core though.
I would like the mechanics to mirror the 2nd game though? Mostly because that game is the most simplistic of the bunch.
We can change drafting rules to match this one.

So basically
- No Fruits. No Mason Doc. No Messages. All of that new shit fuck that noise. I just want a simple mafia game, nothing too fancy.
- You can still have masons, thats fine.
- I still want to be able to pick my team and design my scumteam's powers. The drafting rules can match this variant's drafting rules. I won't do anything too crazy, I want this to be fair.

Anything else I'm forgetting? I think there might be some details I'm forgetting

[Alisae]

MathBlade doesn't exactly design things.

[Alisae]

like a mod still has to design the setup

[Alisae]

btw why are you challenging the loser?

[Alisae]

I can release my mason pt titus
my head was up against a wall there because Katsuki was forcing me to lynch mastina.
there's not much I could do about that :/

[Alisae]

Titus can this game wait a bit?
I would like a break from mafia in general for a bit.

[Alisae]

By the way, the ducky and I would be interested in modding Titus v. Alisae, if you two are still down for that. Let us know the setup and time constraints and we can get started working on it.

The fruit can definitely go, though I do think Alisae should have some way to be able to affect the game besides just trolling people.

I was messing around with the idea of having a single mason; that would make them a lot easier to hide and free up town to have more significant power elsewhere. Obviously we'll abide by whatever Ali and Titus want though.

sounds great!

[Alisae]

turn of camn had a single mason

[Alisae]

imagine blaming the game on me when your own game was awful

[Alisae]

i hear katsuki had amazing reads

bruh

[Alisae]

he was a beloved princess

[Alisae]

you know
that one role that mods never put in their games since I've been on site, maybe longer

[Alisae]

while ur at it you should also visit her LOL

[Alisae]

you know
that one role that mods never put in their games since I've been on site, maybe longer

I see beloved princess almost as often as dreaming god.

that's news to me.
I have NEVER seen 1
EVER

[Alisae]

(RC wasn’t in this I just checked)

I editted out his name from the first post so he wouldn't have to count it.

AB00SE
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