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Is this towards me?In post 3990, Nero Cain wrote:What is your Sonia read?
If yes I'm about to go shower so the best answer I have for now is to shrug my shoulders. She was written off as town earlier but I legitimately forget why, and she's done fuck all since. I'd like to iso her and get back to you soon-ish-
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That was mostly snark, and I reflected later that that many scum would make zero sense.In post 4002, Tywin Lannister wrote:Elibirn, I do want you to ask one thing. If I was scum, and you believe there are 3 left, who are my scum buddies and why do you think that? Regardless of you believing im scum or not, I'd have to have at least one buddy. Maybe two. So who would they be, and have they been bussing me since D1? It's something to think about and analyze.
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As much as you like to insist otherwise, people *really do give reasons for scumreading you and have been doing so for some time*In post 3989, Elbirn wrote:Tywin your AtE is being laid on far too thiccc. Yes, with 3 c's. I don't even understand what you're upset about. And your attempts to discredit pine as not doing anything make no goddamn sense when he's been contributing quite a bit since shedding his lurker-sack-Ness from day 1. And then I have no idea how you forget several people as being in the game and push that it's lylo and dude you're just what
I've been flip-flopping on your alignment all game but I think these recent posts have solidified me being tired of your shit. Constant, baseless ate, and your jabs at Pine are like scum stubbornly refusing to let go of a mislynch they want. The latter is exactly what I do when I'm scum, and I feel that plenty of scum have done it, you don't have organic read progressions cuz it's all fake so you pick a target and you stick with it and then you don't know when to stop.
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Convince me on Sonia pretty please. I still need to do some more of my own work there but I've been steadily going down a dark tunnel of confbias while thinking about tywin/sonia.In post 4019, Pine wrote:Sonia is unlikely due to Cloudkicker analysis, which is so far pretty accurate.
According to Cephrir's vote counts, CloudKicker only ever voted for players who have already flipped town, and once voted me and you, pine. Which seems a bit of weak evidence for you being town.
What's the analysis for sonia being town?
.....wait we already talked about this he tried to push sonia and voted her *why the hell isn't that in the mods vote counts I remember everything but the vote counts lie*
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Pine: I'm going to go through CK's iso when I can and see if I see what you see. My belly-feels still feel good about tywin/sonia team.
When we lynch Tywin and he flips red, i'll go over why exactly you thinking me and him are buddies is really dumb, if necessary, but lort pine don't do this to me just lynch scum
I agree that CK analysis is crucial, overall we all haven't been playing smart. I even said I wanted to start playing smarter and then proceeded to do fuck all about it. Today we start playing mafia 4 real. CK and nos analysis is key. I'll also be looking at tywin and Sonia under a microscope while I'm at it.
I think we should figure out why CK was night killed. Before I'd have said he was killed for having on point reads, but now that literally everyone he's voted for has flipped town, *shrug shoulders, fart noise* so it must be something else. Scum doesn't kill for nothing.-
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Thank you.In post 4032, Titus wrote: I am doing the full thing now
Frankly we've been butting heads this whole game and I've been kind of a dick but all I've wanted is for you to play. When this game ends, if youre town, and you put effort into things, I won't even care. If you're gonna mislynch me, you will case me first.
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"I don't wallfight with scumreads"
What the hell was that tywin fight you had day 1 then? Jesus. Like this is why I've been having such a bad time with you this game, I want to just play the game assuming that you're town but then you rustle my Jimmie with bad things. This right here is like "lol elbirn I'm just not gonna engage u because fairy dust, lul :^)"
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Spoiler: A vomit of CK posts
In the above spoiler we have cloudkicker posts that I think matter. It's hard for me to format all of my thoughts as I'm permanently phone bound basically, but I'll try to sum up my feelings and reference post numbers and you can follow along with the above; all of ck's posts are in numerical order. I may jump around a little as my thoughts come out jumbled.
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Posts 127 through 133 are nearly entirely ck buddying sonia. He lays an rvs vote down for her but there's no real reason or push behind it. 148 is the closest we get to him stating that he scumreads her, but there's no reason. The closest was in 133 where he jokes that she didn't say hi so she's scum.
131 reads to me as if...he's got his jokey confidence that he's found a scum, like he's signaling to Sonia that he knows her. Especially considering that following all of this "ahahah, I gotcha" he switches to straight up buddying and cooperation with sonia. Post 195 is the weeniest flop over her alignment, there is no conviction here. There's never real conviction that she's scum.
He continually makes pointless commentary on a lot of what she does. There are a ton of posts I quoted that don't really need to be mentioned but you can see it for yourself up there.
Pine, you've been saying that cloudkicker was pushing sonia, but what I'm seeing here doesn't really play out that way at all in my view. He makes some rvs doodoo then switches gears to allying her. I see no serious push of a scumread. I don't see him gunning for a lynch and then giving up. If you want to see ck gunning for a mislynch, I'd expect him to be more adversarial...like the way he treats alisae in post 1231/1233/1241. That's ck pushing a mislynch, confirmed. That's not how he acts towards sonia.
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I'm not going very in depth with this next part, but cloud scumreads titus in several places. I feel better about continuing to just write titus off as town and cabd gunsmith being legit, because I don't really feel like cloud would scumread scum-titus. (Posts 148, 172, 173, 338, 469, 1010, 1068)
^ with those latter 2, it feels to me like...cloud was feeling out a mislynch on titus and then when it seems it's not happening he 180's to town-titus later on. Like 1221 he finally just calls the whole thing tvt.
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As previously mentioned by pine, cloud defends tywin at a few points
338, 469, 1601, 1842, 1070, 1072 = townreads tywin
1233, where he pushes against alisae, is in defense of tywin.
245/246 reads like a wink wink nudge nudge that he's signaling to sonia, and now tywin, that he's in the know, you know?
481 defending tywin from titus onslaught
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Spoiler: A vomit of Nosferatu posts
So I just multiquoted all of nos' posts mentioning/interacting with any currently living player. It's...not much. Guy made next to zero posts.
His awkward exploratory push on pine in posts 557/569 seems really contrived...I don't feel like he's pushing a scumbuddy there?
Post 1296 interacts with sonia but seems NAI to me
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But he doesn't atrack her. He flings weak sauce at her to get her attention like "hayy " during flimming *RVS* and then is her friend for all time. It doesn't happen at all the way you're saying. I even gave examples of what cloud does when he's genuinely pushing (alisae) and switching from pushing to giving up on a mislynch that won't go through (titus)In post 4056, Pine wrote:Well, Elbirn, you said it yourself. Cloudkicker starts out with some pretty heavy attacks on Sonia, which should themselves disqualify her from the scumteam, and then when it isn't happening, he switches to buddying her and trying to pocket her. That's like, proof positive that she's Town. She's my third-strongest TR after Titus and Gerry, and that's just because they have PRs clearing them.
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Seriously it's just constantly whining like a little bitch followed by blatant lies.
I posted a big beautiful wall post and made Mexico pay for it detailing how the posts, words, and actions of dead scum implicate you, and you non stop shout from the mountain top that my reads are all garbage and based only on preflip associations. I GUESS CLOUD AND NERO HAVEN'T FLIPPED YET SILLY ME-
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Spoiler: A vomit of Tywin Lannister posts
Christ this boy can talk. I'm not even gonna try to parse this for you guys. I just figured out how to search in page on mobile, so I multiquoted every post that with the word "nos" In it. Some posts are excluded because they're not important or not actually him talking about nos. Some posts are out of order because I realized later on that "wait that post IS important" and went back and multiquoted it.
This was just something I did while at the laundromat just now. Draw your own conclusions.
Things I noted while doing this
1. Tywin really, really didn't like nos
2. But he also pivots aways from him day 2? Continues to scumread him but votes aj instead
3. He's also really concerned with giving himself and sonia towncred for voting him instead of Lapsa day 1
4. Uses nos interactions to judge errybody as town/scum
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Well I've been saying that a traitor buddying her seems suspicious, not townie.In post 4081, Nero Cain wrote:I don't think that Cloud buddying her doesn't mean that she isn't scum. But why would she kill him if he was buddying her? Cloud knew her and its not crazy that she'd be worried that with their familiarity that he'd start scum reading her. Also scum need dead bodies and most everyone was town reading him.
I also should have pounced on this but I got distracted. (THANKS Titus and SSBM!) She's also being a lurksack right now and I think that's pretty likely to come from scum her.In post 406, xSoniaNevermindx wrote:
Sure did never got my answer so I'm asking again.In post 242, Nero Cain wrote:
didn't you do this exact same thing as scum one time?In post 38, xSoniaNevermindx wrote:Wouldn't the mod tell us if scum have daytalk or not?
I'm not sure I get what you're saying with that quoted post, like it's a slip? Walk me through it like I'm a child.
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No seriously though, we're going to thoroughly evaluate this game, which includes trying to deduce your alignment as well, which is what I've been trying to do. Or maybe you'd rather to continue to bitch about how no one is playing the game correctly (while I'm trying to) and how no one is going to honestly attempt to evaluate you (when I'm doing so) and how there is no case on you one way or the other (when I and others have posited reasons for reading you) and what theories there are rely on preflip associations (when I'm looking at flipped scum as evidence to help determine your alignment)-
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Tywin I'll hammer you when we're all done talking. Now please shut the fuck up about how no one will hammer you. You're dying today. Okay? But we have a 2 week deadline to discuss and find scum, and we are going to use it. And if you're town, I'd expect you to be making in depth cases and reads for us to look over when you're dead. If you flip town and your words resonate with me I'll sheep the fuck out of you in lylo, if it means you'll stop being so toxic today. Alright?-
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So what's scum-Tywin's angle here? Is it just pure ate hoping we back off? If I were scum-tywin doing what he's doing right now I feel like it'd be to prop up my buddyIn post 4174, Pine wrote: PEdit: Scum who hammer their buddy for Towncred deserve to lose.-
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Talk to me about it plzIn post 4212, gerryoat wrote:i dont tr pine anymore
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Please properly elaborate and case this instead of repeating your chant of "4 legs good, 2 legs bad". As it stands no one knows what you're arguing. Thanks in advance.In post 4222, Titus wrote:
6 on Elbrin, 5 on LapsaIn post 4218, gerryoat wrote:titus show me why VC suggests that. also, you think nero is maf right?-
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@Tywin
I've double checked pines posts to be sure, and at no point does he "practically beg people not to vote nero". At all. There is also no exchange of posts between pine and nero like you claim. You're now giving him shit for voting for you after spending the better part of the day repeatedly insisting that he vote for you and that if he doesn't he's scum.
I've tried reaching out to you lately to see if you'd maybe calm down and do something protown, but instead you continue to flail and lie. I'm even trying to find evidence of you being townie town but you keep playing the scum fuck.-
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Then you must live in your own fucking reality, donald.In post 4228, Tywin Lannister wrote:At no point have I lied.
You come in and make deliberate exaggerations, half truths, lies, and blatantly make things up. Then when I call you out on it you go "well that's how I interpret it". You did the same thing before when you claimed pine was whining about the nos nightkill, and when I showed you weren't even close and were just straight up making shit up you laughed it off. The only one misrepping and being a sneaky bitch is you.
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Or maybe it's because (hold on to your hats) he's a townread of mineIn post 4238, Tywin Lannister wrote:Elibrin may be his buddy for constantly defending & chainsawing for him, but I'll post why I think that when I can get on my laptop tonight and search for the quotes. It's really hard to do on an iPhone.
And he's being attacked with stupid bullshit by a scumread (you)
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"Waah everyone's using preflips against me"
"Omg these two are paired guys "
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Yeah, no, when you spew stupid bullshit I'm going to tell you that it's stupid bullshit.
And if I were scum and I'm so #mad I didn't pull off lynching you then *why is it that I didn't hammer you earlier*
Oh wait, you scumread that too because your brain is a pile of noodles
Dude you know what? You think I'm scum? Vote me or shut the fuck up. Vote me or go back to voting yourself.-
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No like I legitimately don't have the energy to argue with the mountain of shit that was. You just keep saying so much garbage that refuting it becomes a mind numbing chore.
Like where do I start pointing out the lies and misreps? Maybe where you said I hammered 3 townies? Or there were the posts that you either made up nonsense or demonstrated that you have the reading comprehension of a small child, example 2298 where you make the claim that I was calling you versus pine tvt...when you versus pine didn't even exist yet and I was talking about you versus titus day 1.
Oh whatever the flying hell fish 2489 is. Did you huff glue before you wrote this? You say moz is questioning my pine townread and I refuse to answer and respond with mockery instead. What actually happened was moz listed all the people on the Lapsa wagon and then called me scum and then I mocked him. Where are you getting any of your analysis from? Your interpretations of events are so fucking disconnected from reality that it's making my head spin like holy hell.
And that's what that whole thing is. It's nonsense, lies, misreps, more nonsense, scum-painting my every move, and you hoping that if you shout the loudest and act the most indignant you'll be listened to. You debate like donald trump.
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In post 4245, Tywin Lannister wrote:
4031 is the SECOND time ALL GAME Elibirn has interacted directly with Pine. Two times all game... for his TOP town read since his FIRST post. Does this NOT look scummy af to anyone else? Please tell me why if it doesn't. Also, this clearly shows Pine/Elibrin strategized to make me the lynch, and he's also shaded Sonia for TRing me here. This post also shows that Elibirn has never had a reason previous to this to SR me or vote me, and he is 'attempting' to sheep Pine's reasoning here. This proves Elibirn is a liar and never truly SR read me. Proof:
Spoiler:
Like, how am I supposed to respond to this? I agree to do more analysis...so that means I'm lying. About ever having thought anything.
Uh huh.
And then post 4032 (a post made by titus) is actually secretly my post and it contains a case. A case that pine talked me through in our secret lair. Based on...fairy dust and make believe.
But regardless, the fact that I didn't have a wall of text case posted until I (in the guise of titus) posted my invisible case in post 4032 means that I must not have thought he was scum up until that point. Because, you know. If I did think he was scum I would have made post 4032 (as titus, don't forget this is crucial) a few thousand posts ago. Or something.
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In post 2084, Cephrir wrote:In post 3017, Cephrir wrote:
Golly so who was the other townie I hammeredIn post 3976, Cephrir wrote:
While I was busy body switching with Titus I must have swapped with Alisae day 1, or pine day 3, that was clever.
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Vote me you cuckIn post 4251, Tywin Lannister wrote:Oh look, the scum gave up. Guess he can't handle my wall of truth. Kinda hard to fight something when everything is laid out right in front of you, isn't it? At least you admit that you were wanting to hammer a third townie without reason this game. I accept your surrender scum.-
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In post 4265, Tywin Lannister wrote:
The thing is, Elibrin got away with hammering OBVIOUS town for the second time in a row there, without a claim.In post 4253, Elbirn wrote:In post 2084, Cephrir wrote:In post 3017, Cephrir wrote:
Golly so who was the other townie I hammeredIn post 3976, Cephrir wrote:
While I was busy body switching with Titus I must have swapped with Alisae day 1, or pine day 3, that was clever.
I'm getting #TrolledHard right now aren't I
I mean not even bringing up the fact that blaming the moz hammer on me is bullshit when I've never, not even once, seen a mod that counts unbolded votes and I'd brought up Nero's vote before hand, even if we want to say that's my fault, who's the other townie I hammered? I'm not seeing it. Was there a secret day 1.5 where i murdered someone not in this game or something?
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Oh so you admit that you have the reading comprehension of a kindergartener, fascinating.In post 4270, Tywin Lannister wrote:Oh, you only hammered one town, voted the other, and then thought you hammered me. I saw transcendent's post showing those on the Lapsa wagon, and with your name last, I assumed it meant you hammered.
And continue to do so, as I was only on one lynch wagon, not two, but you know what are numbers to winners like you, you're gonna win so much you get tired of winning, big league. Build a yuge win and make Mexico pay for it because you have the best brains.
Yeah Donald you keep taking a mental diarrhea and insist that I'm the idiot. Go right on ahead. Keep painting me as the idiot who doesn't know how to play when I'm the guy with like a 60-70% win rate. But somehow you have Magick knowledge that I don't and everyone tells me to go to the newbie queue or something. Enjoy your fairy land.
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*almost trips, catches self*In post 4277, gerryoat wrote:Anyone who votes Tywin will be in the lynch pool for tomorrow. IDC if i tr you or not. Unvote him.
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Let's try you instead.In post 4283, xSoniaNevermindx wrote:It's off to the races for who can be more of a moron!
Pine's in the lead with his flipflop gameplay and awful voting
oh wait here comes Elbirn with the most forced posting in the world it's a tight race folks!
Hi sonia how are you? I hope we can talk like normal people and not hate each other
I'd like to hear why you think my posting is forced, contrived as it were. Share with everyone why you feel this way plz. Do you think I'm scum? Etc.
Your reply is awaited with bated breath, mon friere
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Darling sonia, please explain what makes you think I'm a dummy dumb dumb. You have hurt my emotions and I may weep and fall into despairIn post 4293, xSoniaNevermindx wrote:I would vote any of Nero Aj or Pine without a single regret
I do think Elb is VI at this point his play doesn't make sense as scum to me-
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Yeah we can't really do anything when conftown decide to powerlurk or otherwise do fuckall
Sometimes I honestly sit here like "Titus is literally scum" and then have to stop thinking that thought because if she is scum we've already lost because she can't be lynched, and if she is town then me thinking otherwise does nothing but sow discord and piss everyone off
But I've never seen here like this. Even when shes scum she puts in *some* effort. This feels like she knows she doesn't have to do anything to win so she doesn't. And all I can do is post my wild conspiracy theories for "I told you so" cred if she is scum.
Gerry I'm not mad at or anything but I do kinda want him to say a lot more words about stuff, and his trying to dictate that only aj/nero are acceptable when I want tywin/sonia is like damn man at least give something to chew on, tell me WHY those two. Talk to me about your thoughts. Your conftown, you're a god dammed national treasure.
Or like he says he doesn't tr you anymore pine? And I ask him to explain why? And he don't respond. Talk to me. This game makes me sad, make my brain smile.-
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I just can't imagine titus being bored by being conftown. She loves to lead. She's super confident business lady who run the world (girls) who run the world (girls). Why doesn't being conftown make her the most super duper leader of all time. We have wrecked scum teams before with our powers combined. Like why.
I can accept your words and just shutup about this but I'm going to frown at her for the rest of the game. The sad, crying kind of frown, not even the "you disappoint me" frown.
*shuffles awkwardly, kicks a pebble* so uhm....Do you wanna talk about aj or nero? My gut likes them but if I keep yelling about tywin im gonna die inside-
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Oh its fine to call me dumb unless you're tywin, but we're gonna have a pleasant discussion about why you're saying so.
You were doing a little discredit earlier by calling my posting forced, but then later flipped to saying I was town, albeit dumb town. So I'm confused exactly to your stance on me, but more importantly I want to know what made my posting feel so forced.
I'd also reaaallly like to know why you say tywin is obvtown. Show me the light and I'll repent-
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Also titus it won't be a fruitful discussion now but post game I'd like to ask about why you don't enjoy being conftown. Also also I'm sorry for being a dick head all game. Also also also I'm sure someone else already said this and I suddenly lost all reading comprehension abilities but I'm pretty sure traitor doesn't have a gun, so that would be like a false positive (alisae) and a false negative (cloudkicker), and if there's a second false negative out there on top of that then I don't even care at that point, it's the mods fault. So you're town and i'll bugger off.-
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@tywin:
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I had to put this all in a spoiler cuz it was so much stupid garbage that meant nothing I didn't even realize how much I said cuz I was at work and just kept saying things in between whatever words I don't wanna speak anymore send help time for Teletubby bye-bye time for Teletubby bye-bye-
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Yeah...In post 4350, Aj The Epic wrote:Because people don't answer questions
Do you have questions for me aj? Any thoughts or something?
So lonely :c-
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*shrugs eternally* nero and sonia then, I guess.In post 4353, Aj The Epic wrote:
Let's play the game of 'if tywin flips town...' for a moment.In post 4351, Elbirn wrote:
Yeah...In post 4350, Aj The Epic wrote:Because people don't answer questions
Do you have questions for me aj? Any thoughts or something?
So lonely :c
Then what?
I wrote you off as town earlier for some reason and idk I just don't think it's you. Don't think it's pine either. PoE leaves those two and honestly I'm so demoralized at this point I hardly even want to think about this game any more than that.-
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You can suck directly on my asshole. I really can't believe how much of a miserable bitch you've been this entire game and I genuinely don't like you anymore.In post 4358, Titus wrote:
I cannot convince scum their mislynch is town.In post 4348, Elbirn wrote:Shock and awe, I want the compulsive liar dead.
Please please please talk to us about sonia. I really want to know why she's town. Convince me.