Large Normal 199: L'Hôtel Pleuvoir (Fin)

[Cabd]

Hey ceph fuck your pagetop. PS. The comparisons are many to that game

[Titus]

That said; Titus; mason buddy of mine; where's your head now that xmas is over and lynchmas is on?

It's in a cold tailspin. I want a VC but I am in a call the scumteam kind of mood.

[Nero Cain]

Titus - OMGUsing me for me slagging them off earlier.

This is p much Titus in a nutshell. I feel like my d1 case on her was solid. Like, in our last game I had a scum read on me-she ignored me and then when I called her out for lurking she went on to claim that I tunnel her regardless of alignment and that I was being mean or whatever. She did the same thing here so exactly why shouldn't I have thought she was scum? So why wasn't I getting much traction? Is she scum and her team wasn't bussing? Is she town and scum knew she was/thought she was traitor and/or got off of her for the little town cred? I kinda of think the later wich is why we should be lynching SSBM.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Dear Santa, I want to vig the following people:
Sonia
Tywin
Nos

Nos is town gun to my head fwiw

That said; Titus; mason buddy of mine; where's your head now that xmas is over and lynchmas is on?

Is this a hard claim because you 2 have been crumbing it long enough and that's the only reason I can think you would claim a 1-shot GS on her when the clear call for 1-shot GS would be to check the SK suspect. Had you down to 1 of 2-3 possible Titus mason partners yesterday and I've been itching to say something since so many were SRing Titus yesterday.

[Alisae]

He may be town to you, but a match of russian roulette may prove you wrong

[Titus]

Titus - OMGUsing me for me slagging them off earlier.

This is p much Titus in a nutshell. I feel like my d1 case on her was solid. Like, in our last game I had a scum read on me-she ignored me and then when I called her out for lurking she went on to claim that I tunnel her regardless of alignment and that I was being mean or whatever. She did the same thing here so exactly why shouldn't I have thought she was scum? So why wasn't I getting much traction? Is she scum and her team wasn't bussing? Is she town and scum knew she was/thought she was traitor and/or got off of her for the little town cred? I kinda of think the later wich is why we should be lynching SSBM.

Or you were actually just doing bullshit and should be ignored until you try to sort someone for reasons beyond didn't pay attention?

[Titus]

Dear Santa, I want to vig the following people:
Sonia
Tywin
Nos

Nos is town gun to my head fwiw

That said; Titus; mason buddy of mine; where's your head now that xmas is over and lynchmas is on?

Is this a hard claim because you 2 have been crumbing it long enough and that's the only reason I can think you would claim a 1-shot GS on her when the clear call for 1-shot GS would be to check the SK suspect. Had you down to 1 of 2-3 possible Titus mason partners yesterday and I've been itching to say something since so many were SRing Titus yesterday.

Why are you mason hunting? Why did you suppose I had a mason?

[Pine]

WTF?

Titus, if you are a Mason, please claim, do not claim your partner. If you are, that is a hardcore 100% no-takebacks scumslip from scum with a rolecop on the team.

[Titus]

WTF?

Titus, if you are a Mason, please claim, do not claim your partner. If you are, that is a hardcore 100% no-takebacks scumslip from scum with a rolecop on the team.

Why is that?

[Pine]

Because if they know you're a Mason, it's because they were privy to an investigative result that revealed your role; Town rolecops aren't unknown, but they wouldn't be actively hunting your partner.

[Pine]

Ergo, they have info from a scum rolecop.

None of this is relevant if Kyouko is wrong.

[Titus]

Because if they know you're a Mason, it's because they were privy to an investigative result that revealed your role; Town rolecops aren't unknown, but they wouldn't be actively hunting your partner.

Not a mason.

If i scumread SSM, I would be pushing this further in hypotheticals.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Dear Santa, I want to vig the following people:
Sonia
Tywin
Nos

Nos is town gun to my head fwiw

That said; Titus; mason buddy of mine; where's your head now that xmas is over and lynchmas is on?

Is this a hard claim because you 2 have been crumbing it long enough and that's the only reason I can think you would claim a 1-shot GS on her when the clear call for 1-shot GS would be to check the SK suspect. Had you down to 1 of 2-3 possible Titus mason partners yesterday and I've been itching to say something since so many were SRing Titus yesterday.

Why are you mason hunting? Why did you suppose I had a mason?

Masons are town. Knowing who town is makes it easier to decide who to lynch. I saw you crumb it, just going to post the first crumb I noticed for now. If you want I'll post everything that made me think you're a mason and why I ended up thinking Cabd was your partner, but that will take a lot of ISO scrolling and would probably be a waste of effort. In case they're scum faking it and I die later on, town should multi-ISO Titus and I to see for themselves the clues are there. Not all of them are in that multi-ISO but there are indicators

*looks at Alisae*

Lapsa probably isn't town. Sonia should be higher. AJ lower. Pine isn't posting excessively elsewhere to the point where lowering him is warranted. Moz is still likely town.

*searches for

brick

wall*

If this wasn't a crumb what was it?

[Pine]

Because if they know you're a Mason, it's because they were privy to an investigative result that revealed your role; Town rolecops aren't unknown, but they wouldn't be actively hunting your partner.

Not a mason.

If i scumread SSM, I would be pushing this further in hypotheticals.

Okay, disregard my last several posts then.

[Pine]

And while I would buy that as a Mason crumb, it isn't blatant or obvious. It's probably just an expression of frustration.

[Pine]

Kyouko actually comes out of this with Townpoints. I figure a scum who spotted what they thought was a Mason crumb would just kill said person and be done with it, rather than try to publicly solve the game. Or at least they'd point out the crumb to their buddies in private and not share the observation with Town.

[Pine]

This is the Townbloc I'm seeing right now, by the way:

==Upstanding Citizens==
Pine - My role PM says so.
Titus - Solid Townread, supported by consistent attacks by by Cloudkicker
Cabd - Solid Townread, supported by clearing Titus. No reason to clear her or even claim if scum.

==Probationary Members==
Sonia - Interactions with Cloudkicker. See post 2301 for details.
Kyouko - Recent developments, gamesolving
Nero - Attacked consistently by Cloudkicker
Alisae - Attacked consistently by Cloudkicker, probationary due to possible (even likely) status as SK.
Gamma - Attacked consistently by Cloudkicker

That's 8/14 of the playerlist. Hunh. I've never been especially good at Townhunting, but this game seems like a bit of a perfect storm for it.

==Scumlist==
Tywin - I reread him, and the scumvibes are strong. The fact that he has pretty much gone to ground after the pressure lifted from him reinforces the notion that the initial scumread was sound, and all that AtE was an attempt to gain sympathy. Fire away, Alisae.
Mozamis - Explored elsewhere, mostly to do with disingenuous and inconsistent reads and justifications.

That leaves a remarkably small nullpile...

==Meh==
Elbirn & AJ - I keep getting these two mixed up. Neither has come off as Townish, but neither have they made any notable errors or slips. They could be scum playing it close to the vest or cautious Town. I don't know yet.
Nosferatu - Who? I looked this guy up, and his site-wide wordcount in the last ten days is smaller than this post alone. That suggests NAI lurker to me, and probably flake-bait. Complains about catching up difficulties. I can empathize with that to an extent, but come on, man. We're no longer at a 20-pages-a-day pace. Skim a bit. I won't shed any tears if he gets vigged, though I always prefer someone scummy to a lurker any day of the week.
Syryana - Again, who? I haven't interacted with this slot all game. I see a ton of fluff and nonsense in his ISO. Lots of memes, not a lot of scumhunting. Actually, he hasn't posted anywhere on site in a week.

@Mod: Can we get a replacement on Syryana? Or at least a fairly insistent prodding?

Okay, there are my thoughts. Some feedback and discussion would be appreciated. Apologies for multiposting, I know that makes me a hypocrite and I don't care.

[Pine]

While I am shamelessly multiposting at 6AM...

Note to Mod and other players: I'm might have somewhat limited access until after the first of the year. I think the place we're going has wifi, but I may be restricted to phoneposting.

[Pine]

Also, to the people who were bitching that I wasn't posting enough D1...

Eat me.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

btw we never really talked about this, but now that we've seen a traitor I decided to look at the archives and I think we're looking at 4 scum total. There are 4 games with traitors in the archives. 3 of those games were 16, 19, and 21 players total with 3 scum + a traitor. ika/Titus's NY180 is a 21 player game with 4 scum + a traitor + a mass murderer (old name for SK?), but town had a good amount of stopping power for the kills (2 non-consecutive night doctors, a 3-shot commuter), and a vengeful that could reflexively kill any scum that night-killed it so until we see a vengeful flip I think 4 scum is the best assumption. That means 3 left, for anyone trying to look for team associations. Also might be helpful to look at Cloud's interactions with the assumption he knows only 3 players are scum in case it looks like there could be a 4th, could help us narrow down suspects

@Pine - would have to reread Cloud's ISO again and see who he was pushing, see how serious pushes look before I used them as evidence for town status of Nero/Gamma. Alisae I don't think is SK, forgot why because work, booze, lots of games. Oh yeah, it was that Vig crumb when she thanked Gamma for saving her the trouble of vigging Tywin. I don't remember Cloud attacking Titus, more like he was defending Tywin. P sure Titus and Cabd are masons still so I won't doubt you there though. Even if they're not masons Titus is still my top TR and Cabd is high-tier.

About Tywin going to ground: that means you think he's under the radar, right? Just another way of saying that? Not sure what that "gone to ground" means.

Elbirn I placed higher in my reads yesterday due to suspicion that he was Titus's mason buddy. Also not as sure on him today. Aj I've gone back and forth on a lot. Really disliked the way they argued this morning about me being scum, and the way they tried to make my clarification look like discrediting. Having a lot of trouble sorting that slot.

[Pine]

17 players means a standard of 4 scum, rarely any more or fewer. Traitor could take the place of one of those four, but is a bit of a liability. That means either 3+Traitor, likely with some extra scum power, or 4+Traitor, with tons of Town power and little or no scum power (daytalk might be sufficient). Site meta is leaning towards less scum power these days, so I'm guessing the former.

Stop with Mason spec. Outing the Masons is not pro-Town. Titus denied it anyway.

I'm actually leaning towards Alisae as SK. Mostly a gut feeling. Always hard to tell with Vig/SK claims, due to lack of associatives and similar MO. Maybe it's that she seems eager to please, too quick to trust others. Real!Vig would be less trusting, I think. Either way, I don't want her to make it to endgame.

"Going to ground" is a colloquial saying originating from when a hunted animal suddenly hides and goes still, hoping to evade pursuers with sudden camouflage and lack of motion. In a more modern context, it is often used in action movies when someone trying to evade the authorities hides in plain sight among the populace, trusting to anonymity. It applies to Tywin's behavior here.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

When I think I've seen mason crumbs and then I'm told that no we're not masons it makes me suspicious because sometimes scum crumb roles for fakeclaiming when it is convenient. How is it anti town to make sure that is not what's happening right now?

[Cabd]

Not a mason in any way shape or form; am exactly as claimed. Titus to me is functionally a mason unless I think she's a scumdoc, which makes no sense given the limited utility of my role and the existing number of "fake" results my role could have generated from flipped/claimed roles alone.

[Cabd]

@Mod: Can we get a replacement on Syryana? Or at least a fairly insistent prodding?

I have become aware that Syryana is having some access issues and will not be prodding or replacing him at this time.

[Cabd]

I'm actually leaning towards Alisae as SK. Mostly a gut feeling. Always hard to tell with Vig/SK claims, due to lack of associatives and similar MO. Maybe it's that she seems eager to please, too quick to trust others. Real!Vig would be less trusting, I think. Either way, I don't want her to make it to endgame.

Disagree think he's more likely than not vig and just really... bubbly, as tally-wa would put it. Doesn't matter, not allowed into any lylo scenarios. (better for him though if he gets to win)