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Seraphim's 25 is not good posting. The Mixologist random vote reason backtrack argument is bullshit and the point against OGB already stated by charter and backed up by rofl. All in all a scummy post, as opposed to OGB simply being unhelpful.
Also see post 41. Depicting unhelpful behaviour as conclusive proof of scum alignment as well as speaking for the whole of the town. The content may be just a hyperbolical representation of Seraphim's suspicions, but the tone sounds so fake.
unvote, vote: Seraphim
No.rofl wrote:is it to early to call active lurking?scumchat never die-
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I have found a better one. Seraphim presenting others' points as his own, labelling a completely normal reaction backtracking, and having general scummy tone is better than wanting players to identity-guess.roflcopter wrote:woof. i don't like korts' post 49. mostly the fact that he's deflating the ogb wagon by removing himself from it.scumchat never die-
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Accusing players of things they didn't do (i.e. doing something scummy yourself) is only likely to provoke one kind of reaction--suspicion. You are being thick if you think otherwise.Seraphim wrote:Korts: Of course the argument is bullshit. The question was intentionally loaded to provoke reactions. Plus, if I actually thought that the "backtracking" was scummy, I would have placed my vote there.
In the 14 minutes between this post of yours and the previous one OGB didn't post at all. Do you expect him to post every five minutes, and if not, what was the purpose of this comment?Seraphim wrote:OGB still has yet to post anything of note besides fueling alt speculation which is useless which is why my vote is there.scumchat never die-
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I'd vote for scummy over anti-town any day of the week.roflcopter wrote:
i can't agree that there's any better place to vote until ogb actually starts participating. the fact that he's obviously following along enough to post useless crap here, and simultaneously has been posting in other threads, but can't seem to bring himself to actually be anything but a useless sack is impeding my ability to vote for anyone but him.Korts wrote:
I have found a better one. Seraphim presenting others' points as his own, labelling a completely normal reaction backtracking, and having general scummy tone is better than wanting players to identity-guess.roflcopter wrote:woof. i don't like korts' post 49. mostly the fact that he's deflating the ogb wagon by removing himself from it.scumchat never die-
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I like how you blame the town for ruining your brilliant trap.Seraphim wrote:Ah, but is it true suspicion or scummy faked suspicion/outrage? There's a difference and that's what I'm aiming for. Useless now, of course. But at this point in the game, it's all about reactions. These early game impressions are important and I want to take full advantage of them.
The OGB case didn't need restating, since it was made like half a page ago. Stop padding your posts with useless shit.scumchat never die-
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Meh. I don't see his posts as actively anti-town, only passively. Do you think that only one avenue of discussion can be pursued at any one time?charter wrote:
No, he is spending his posts ACTIVELY trying to derail the town. The quantity of his posts is irrelevant. The quality of them is incredibly scummy.Korts wrote:rofl, if OGB consistently ignores the game, he is scummy. If he ignores it over the span of three posts, I don't see where he is all that damaging to town.scumchat never die-
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Read the game or gtfoSeraphim wrote:Can we see exhibits 1 through 3, please?
Presenting an already existing point as your own.Seraphim, Exhibit No. 1 wrote:Hmmm. This post sucks. Congrats. You fail the random voting stage.
Accusing people of things they haven't done.Seraphim, Exhibit No. 2 wrote:Rofl, what do you think of Mix's backpedalling regarding his random vote?
Padding your posts with useless shit.Seraphim, Exhibit No. 3 wrote:OGB still has yet to post anything of note besides fueling alt speculation which is useless which is why my vote is there.scumchat never die-
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You never claimed or implied that the point was made by someone other than you. You implicitly presented the point as your own.Seraphim wrote:Exhibit 1: When did I ever present or claim that point as my own?
"certain conditions" which don't apply here I'm sure.Seraphim wrote:Exhibit 2: Under certain conditions, this could be considered backpedalling.
You can pad your posts with shit as much as you want. It is a scumtell, unfortunately. Pointless walls of post are not helpful and every useless part of your post is another nail in the coffin of concision, assuming that in this metaphor concision does not deserve any more nails in its coffin.Seraphim wrote:Exhibit 3: I can pad my posts with as much shit as I want. It's not a scumtell, unfortunately. Ever play with Mastin before?
What "tone" does "Claim: Jack-of-All-Trades" have?scumchat never die-
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charter: I do not think OGB is being actively anti-town because I do not think so. There is no better answer to that silly question.
My opinion of Mufasa, after a cursory scan of his games, is that the claim is not out of character with his on-site meta. It is a nulltell leaning town slightly. I ignored him because opinions of opinions of silly actions are much more valuable than opinions of the silly actions themselves.
You have not given any opinion of Mufasa either. On what authority are you questioning my lack of stated opinion on the matter?scumchat never die-
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Read the game or GTFO.Seraphim wrote:Neither did rofl. No one said "Yeah, I agree with player X, that's a good case!".
roflcopter wrote:charter wrote:OozingGolfBall wrote:Hi guys. I am a alt. Feel free to start the guessing game.unvote, vote OGB
No one cares. You're only trying to fire up wild goose chases instead of hunt scum or take a stance on anything in the RVS.that post alone is enough grounds to lynch.i agree.scumchat never die-
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You haven't stated what conditions you are talking about; I don't see any scenario where what Mix did could be justifiably called backtracking; therefore those conditions that according to you exist, they do not apply here.Seraphim wrote:Exhibit 2: If I hadn't screwed myself over, his reactions might have been interesting. Who are you to say that the conditions don't apply here?
Exhibit 3: that is not the point. the point is that you specifically reiterated a case that you made just 14 minutes before--the motivation in that is probably overeager scum.scumchat never die-
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Ok, Caboose is scum.Caboose wrote:
If he has a bunch of one-shots, I'm assuming that he's assuming it's safe enough to call himself a Jack of all trades.iamausername wrote:TDC wrote:Reveal: Upon death, I will post the full Role PM of the dead player, including group memberships, excluding group details. All active and passive abilities will be revealed, but for the sake of brevity, the first post will only contain a catchy role name and link to the actual Role PM.While alive, players don't know their catchy role name.Mufasa wrote:Claim: Jack-of-All-TradesUnvote, Vote: Mufasa.scumchat never die-
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Why apologize for a read on alignment? Are you shyly bussing?Seraphim wrote:inHimshallIbe: I'm sorry but your first post reads scum to me...
Seraphim needs a shinier wagon.
I don't like skitzer's posts, particularly where he sets up a false dichotomy that if Mufasa won't be lynched, OGB will. I also don't like any of the people on the Mufasa wagon.scumchat never die-
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People unfamiliar with roflcopter's playstyle should make themselves familiar with it. Yes he has a tendency to fail to explicitly state his reasons, but most of the time they're evident or gut-based. If you think you can only analyse arguments and not actions, this game isn't suited for you anyway.
The equation is not correct in every situation, but making a point that has been explicitly stated multiple times before by others, without referencing those others, looks like a blatant attempt at taking credit. If you think that is pro-town, you should re-evaluate the motives for this.HowardRoark wrote:@Korts: Please explain how each exhibit is relevant. #1 Just because a player doesn't say "I agree with ___" = scum . . . false.
Apparently so. I never said he believed otherwise. My point is, Mixologist's actions had no relation to backpedaling at all, and the accusation is bullshit.HR wrote: #2 I believe that Seraphim believed that Mixologist was backpedaling.
Saying that a player has been posting useless shit is, indeed, not padding. A player who posts useless shit, does, however, pad his posts unnecessarily with aforementioned useless shit. You present an irrelevant piece of information and I don't see how you've countered my argument at all.HR wrote: #3 Saying that a player has been posting useless shit is not padding.
The claim is confirmable, a likely NK target, and has been executed by a newbie with precedent of, um, let's call it unorthodox play as town; Seraphim's vote, in this context, is opportunistic and scummy.HR wrote: #4 Voting a player for an early claim (and especially a questionable one) makes someone scum how? I believe that you know how Seraphim plays and found him to be an easy target (outside of the popular ones).
PEOPLE CALLING FOR A MUFASA LYNCH/VIG ARE SCUMMY. I'll compile a list of these people later.
I take this to mean "thanks, buddy, I don't want you to tie yourself to me".Seraphim wrote:HR: Thanks for defending me, but I can assure you, I'm fine.
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ekiM, don't try to sell that bullshit about protects and RBs not being useful. Confirmable, only semi-, but that should be enough for now. Three kill-stopping abilities is pretty useful imo. You wanting to eliminate that the first night, if not the first day like charter, is pretty scummy.scumchat never die-
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I'm still thinking a Seraphim lynch is best here.
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I only defended the initial three-four anti-town posts of OGB, and I still stand by my "14 minutes" comment. The attack there was bullshit, since forum mafia is not the medium for immediate responses at all.Korts ISO 22 wrote:I could go for an OGB lynch too, after continued lack of any pro-town intentions.
Either way, OGB is a fine substitute for Seraphim at this juncture, with no helpful comments at all and 4 days since his last post.
The phrasing of this, specifically the "all of us town", is so fake.Starbuck wrote:Either he himself is Mafia and is just riling up all of us town, which he's doing rather well
Meanwhile, darkdude is disgustingly under the radar. He has had little actual content and the questions he pose don't seem to be for scumhunting purposes. Particularly his latest is the one that bugs me:
Implying that the two, completely independent cases are actually connected, and trying to set up a Mufasa-OGB town/town or scum/scum dichotomy. This is not just a useless comment, it is downright scummy.darkdude wrote:I don't understand why some think Mufasa is scum but not OGB or vice versa. Anyone care to explain?
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One lurks and makes no effort to aid town; the other claimed way too early and plays like a newbie. How are the two even remotely similar?darkdude wrote:
They are "connected" by similarity. Both of them did nonsensical stuff, so why would one case be scummy and another not?Implying that the two, completely independent cases are actually connected, and trying to set up a Mufasa-OGB town/town or scum/scum dichotomy. This is not just a useless comment, it is downright scummy.scumchat never die-
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There's a lot going for a Russian Axelrod and an Italian Seraphim and darkdude.
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Re: my being blocked, I confirm that it's likely I was blocked. rofl: for me to be the cause of the lack of italian NK, I would have to be Italian myself. You've concluded that if I'm scum, I'm more likely to be Russian. Is there any relation between the two conclusions?
I agree with the Upper Roccisi Neighbourhood claiming.scumchat never die-
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A mental whoa is acceptable. Voicing it is a variation on the "oh noes <insertpowerrolehere> is dead" tell. I always dislike expression of surprise/shock/other emotions regarding the recently deceased.Seraphim wrote:I come back from vacation and not only find out that OGB flipped scum but that two other scum were killed in the night. Please tell me under what circumstances that does not warrant a "whoa".
I don't follow this train of thought. I was a late addition to the wagon, I could be a hypothetical partner bussing. Also, if you don't think bussing is likely, why aren't early additions to this wagon on your list of unlikely Russians? ekiM, for instance. You mention him a few paragraphs later, but why not in this list?SpyreX wrote:OGB, being a vig (even if one shot) is an incredibly useful scum role. Thus, he is NOT an early candidate for bussing.
(Note: Yes this changes my stance from before about early votes being suspect. It isn't worth lynching a vig if you have other avenues)
So, I would remove from my list of obvious Russian candidates: charter, korts, rofl.
I get the feeling you're just trying to appeal to the most aggressive scumhunters here.
Again, why is my early defense of OGB ignored?SpyreX wrote:On the flip side, the first person to come to OGB's defense in any fashion is: Caboose.
SpyreX, you make no mention of Seraphim. Do you think he's not scummy at all?scumchat never die-
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Don't these two hypotheses contradict each other? If you suspect darkdude and rofl to be connected based on the fact that roflcopter ignored darkdude, and then you state that Seraphim is scummy because the dead Italians mentioned him often, there's a problem with your logic.X wrote:I can actually see roflcopter being Russian Mafia, bussing hard through D1 to get town points. Your certainty in his guilt was crazy. Also considering darkdude as another Russian Mafioso, as rofl completely ignored him and chalked him up to being town.
I remember Adel saying something as Town that scum often say the names of people they are connected with more often. Looking at the dead Italian Mafiosi from this light, Seraphim does look like scum.
Why do you assume the setup is symmetric? The Russians could easily have other perks instead of being part of a neighbourhood.Axel wrote:These are not "Mason" groups by definition. InHim was Italian Mafia and part of a group. Logically, there will be at least one Russian Mafia who is also part of a separate group. And if there's a SK he could easily be part of a group.
Is Mufasa likely town? I'm betting yes. WHY ARE YOU CONTINUING TO PUSH A LIKELY TOWN PLAYER'S WAGON?charter wrote:Did Mufasa stop a mafia kill last night? I'm betting no. WHY THE HELL ARE WE CONTINUING TO LET HIM BLOCK PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP TOWN?
I don't like this post. For one, the likely number of scum factions can be guessed fairly accurately from D1 and N1 flips; also, what does this have to do with setup balance, when we don't know how well the town's equipped or anything?populartajo wrote:I just have a question. Im no master in balancing setups and such so thats why I ask.
Whats the expected number of scum and mafia groups in this game?
Yeah, really.SpyreX wrote:However, "appealing to the aggressive scum hunters"? Really.
Hey, make sure you don't overly exert yourself trying to help town.HowardRoark wrote:vote alvinz95scumchat never die-
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Fixed. See insanepenguin in Roccisi Autumn. The logic is bad, but it's not inherently scummy.Seraphim wrote:
Distancing.Starbuck wrote:If I was OGB's scum buddy, why would I have voted for him?
I said earlier, I really didn't care if OGB or Mufasa were voted off because neither of them were adding anything useful at all to our scum hunt.
I think we caught newbscum.
Vote: Starbuck
Starbuck, do you realize how empty and useless your reply to above quote was? Also, it sounded a bit like you are threatening town.
skitzer's post has to wait, I'm going to sleep.scumchat never die-
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@Starbuck: I didn't intend to talk down to you, nor does my post look like that to me in retrospect. Please refrain from depicting my questions as personal attacks. If you want to discredit my points, do it with valid arguments.
Lurkerhunting is a good way to avoid having to post actual content.HowardRoark wrote:Perhaps for the fact that he was almost nonexistent yesterday and has yet to appear today.
alvinz' OMGUS without further comment on the game is noted. Not in a good way.
Both of you need to start being proactive. My paranoid half is starting to suspect a lurking-based bussing scheme between you two.
I am not comfortable with skitzerposting. Day 1 logic is broken in multiple places; attacks Starbuck for newbtell just now; piggybacking on Mufasa=town case without reference to earlier mentions of same point.
For fuckssake we've already come to the conclusion that unless there is some seriously idiotic bussing scheme at hand the guy is town. GTFO off his back and stop trying to spread suspicion of him.populartajo wrote:But lets assume for a second he is town and analyze his wagons:scumchat never die-
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I saw that the first time around. I still don't like the initial phrasing of the lead in to the Mufasa wagon analysis.populartajo wrote:
So read the thread or GTFO YOU.tajo wrote: I agree with the assumption that also makes Mufasa unlikely Russian and Italian. I asked how many mafia groups would be in this game. Since the answer is 2 (can i trust skitzer? yes I can) it makes Mufasa either third party or, more prob and by a wide margin, town.scumchat never die-
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Ok, I'm willing to hammer. Final words, etc?
There is a strong Howard/alvinz connection. alvinz' 414 post, other than being OMGUS, seems to damn Howard more than Caboose, but he votes Caboose and not Howard. Distancing probable.
In an alvinz-scum scenario people will have been bussing right after Caboose has claimed his results. Wagon analysis may not be much use, but I don't like Axel's (and Starbuck's, but he's a newb) distrust of Caboose--an unprovoked fakeclaim this early would be very stupid.scumchat never die-
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Considering your history--1 finished game on MS with a quicklynch of you right after you replaced, and 4 ongoing; 3 games on askew; and sixty some on EM, a site where the emphasis is very strongly on the night game and barely any conventional scumhunting ever happens: I'm inclined to call you inexperienced. I don't intend to insult you, I'm just giving you some slack in being suspicious of Caboose for his claim.scumchat never die-
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Not extensively, yet. I've skimmed a couple pages of Wicked, and it seemed mostly a discussion of the theme. I will be taking a proper look later.Starbuck wrote:Did you even look at my View Askew games, which are way more involved than any of the games I am currently playing here?scumchat never die-
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Why do you think this? I think this is a scumslip--scum would know Dust was a vigkill if, for instance, their group killing ability didn't have a Night 0 addendum.ekiM wrote:Dust (vanilla townie) - skitzer (vig)
What purpose is there in saying this? Pre-emptive defense against any accusations of buddying, because that is exactly your intent maybe?tubby wrote:at the risk of looking like buddyingscumchat never die-
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Bullshit. You can't calculate likeliness of either scenario, since you don't know the town's power roles. I have role-based information that at least one kill more was attempted N0 than went through.ekiM wrote:We know skitzer took a shot night zero. It's way more likely that it went through and the mafia didn't have shots than that it didn't go through, and exactly one of the mafia groups got a kill through.
As I'm sure you would be as scum.ekiM wrote:Very interested in what Seraphim and his claimed hood have been saying to one another!
Re: masons: I don't want to give scum a chance to fakeclaim and snatch the win at endgame, so I'm with charter on the masons claiming. It's a good WIFOM trap for scum night kills, too. This is, of course, if there is no additional group ability for the masonry.scumchat never die-
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I'm interested, sure, but I haven't decided yet whether it would actually be optimal to out a whole neighbourhood for this purpose.ekiM wrote:You're not interested in what one of your top suspects throughout the game has to say about his earlier hood claim?
Ok, fair enough. I still think it was bad to assume, but I can accept for the time being that town can make that kind of assumption.ekiM wrote:And I don't have that information, so from my POV where we have a compulsive N0 vig and a single N0 kill, the most obvious explanation is that the vig committed the kill.
I'm not sure why you felt the need to partially claim, by the way.
I claimed what I did because I don't want anyone to base their deductions on false premises when I have proof to the contrary.
Right, I skipped that apparently.ekiM wrote:Isn't this exactly what I just said?
tubby's fullclaim was premature, but it's honest, at least as far as I can tell.
I don't like this comment. It's been made plenty clear by ekiM already that if anyone other than tubby is rofl's partner, they should counterclaim, and it's obvious anyway--this strikes me more as "HEY SCUMPARTNER COUNTERCLAIM HIM PLZ"tajo wrote:If you are the real rolfpartner mason, CLAIM NOW. If you claim later, you will hurt the town.
What is the purpose of this, considering that tubby claimed this:tajo wrote:Tubby, if you for some reason "forgot" that your masonry is of three players, I think TODAY is the time to say it. Dont say who he is but please tell us if there are indeed three players in your masonry. If you are only two, then confirm please.
tubby wrote:i am rolf's mason partnerthere are only two of us,we have the ability to bodyguard,
You know, it's not particularly pro-town to muse about these things out loud. I can think of at least one other way other than theseAxel wrote:Also, reviewing the list of abilities this game, I'm pretty sure I don't know what kind of role-based info would allow you to know that a kill was attempted and failed on Night 0 unless (1) you were attempting that kill yourself, or (2) someone tried to kill you and you had a Bulletproof vest. Just saying.orthe actual case if it isn't one of the above, though, just off the top of my head.scumchat never die-
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Do you have similar knowledge of ekiM's play as town, or are you just basing this on his scum play?Seraphim, re: ekiM suspicion wrote:I did somewhat hint at them. Mostly, it's just a meta read after watching you play two games as scum as your mod. You seem to be playing similarly here.
Ugh. I don't like the continued grilling regarding this particular point. Seraphim's initial slip was a nulltell at worst, and his defense, insofar as any is needed, is plausible. SpyreX backing you up is misguided at best.ekiM wrote:I don't get it. Were you intentionally trying to be ambiguous? Then why did you say 'partner' yesterday and 'neighbors' today, instead of picking something actually ambiguous and sticking with it? Are you sure you're in a neighborhood?
I agree with people saying Seraphimtown shouldn't be so interested in Caboose's next investigation target.
darkdude is still not-so-active lurking. I find tubbyposting lacking as well, he attacks only Seraphim's insistence that he not be forced to fullclaim.
Well, to be fair, I remember telling charter to quit pushing a likely town wagon; but I'm pretty familiar with charter's play, and this is not uncharacteristic of him.X wrote:Just noticed that Korts singled out Seraphim for jumping on Mufasa, when he didn't do it to charter. Odd.
Ugh. Please do your own scumhunting.tubby216 wrote:does that last exchange seem weird to anyone else? please review posts 585 through 590,,
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Seraphim, this is what I think of tajo: I'm aware he's had a recent history of lagging behind with his games, so I'm not as quick to judge him as others seem to be; but we need posting from him as well, and if his current performance looks to him like it's going to be long term, I encourage him to replace out sooner than later.scumchat never die-
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I don't particularly like Seraphim making assumptions about the number of scum. At this point there are still a lot of possibilities.
X: this post addresses charter's obsession with Mufasa, among others.
Waiting on Seraphim's version of the neighbourhood conversation before I comment.
HowardRoark's attack on tajo, other than being arguably OMGUS, seems for the sake of attacking anyone at all--tajo is a convenient choice on multiple accounts: he's attacked Howard, which got his attention in the first place, and he hasn't been particularly active, therefore a possibly valid lynch. The case Howard presents is weak and implicates him more than it does tajo.scumchat never die-
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So you admit to having presented a weak case, but apparently believe that the people who point it out can only be doing so with a hidden agenda? You are drawing connections between completely unrelated matters--how big a motivation do you imagine being on your "watch list" is gonna be for scum to dismantle your every argument?HowardRoark wrote:And that is how the weak case works . . . suddenly we get Korts boiling it down to OMGUS and iamusername tearing it apart. Do those two names sound familiar? Oh yeah, they were on my watch list. All just pieces of the puzzle.
Can you shut the hell up until Seraphim confirms or denies X's story? You're basically feeding him lines.HowardRoark wrote:I'd like to see a reaction from Seraphim to what X has posted as a paraphrase of the neighborhood's night talk. Right now, I'd have to say that it looks pretty bad for Seraphim: indifference when X was wary of him being mafia, role fishing, etc.
Like I said, I am familiar with charter's play, and when he latches onto early game anti-town behaviour he's prone to not let go either until there are drastic changes in climate or the guy is lynched. After Mufasa was all but confirmed and yet he kept pushing his lynch I called him out. Before that he was just playing like he always does.X wrote:But why are they 12 pages apart?
For fuckssake, at least pretend to want to help.darkdude wrote:
How?SpyreX wrote:.... Wow. If that is an accurate paraphrase it just reeks of scum.scumchat never die-
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Seriously, don't replace out. You're gonna be lynched anyway, in all likeliness.darkdude wrote:
Excuse me for feeling guilty for being a useless player.For fuckssake, at least pretend to want to help.
I don't think it's of any use to replace out at this stage, right?
What I want to see from you is some effort. Do some player analysis, let us see who you think is scum, ANYTHING. If you feel guilty for being useless, you should try doing something against it, instead of posting questions that serve no practical purpose in terms of scumhunting.
Also, if you're lynched and turn up town, you'd be doing the whole town a favor by giving us a complete and unabridged version of your thoughts beforehand.scumchat never die-
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Seriously, Lowell, what's your case? That I didn't stick with the early game wagon? I had better cases to pursue. OGB is only obvscum from retrospect--his actions were simply passively anti-town. Seraphim, on the other hand, was and is actively scummy, so the accusation of derailment is laughable. If anything, the OGB wagon was a distraction to the Seraphim wagon--the fact that OGB turned out to be scum is irrelevant, since we have multiple factions.
If you feel confident enough in your read that you categorically, with capital letters, claim Caboose to be town, why go on to say "probably not italian [...] definitely not russian"? To elaborate, your first sentence seems to imply that you're sure he's town--then you go on to say that he'sCaboose wrote:caboose- TOWN. probably not italian (singled out by inhim out of nowhere), definatly not russian (first to point finger at alvinz)probablynot italian; this kind of wishy-washiness really bugs me.
I also don't understand how you got a strong town vibe from tubby's posts--he's pseudo-confirmed by game mechanic, but his play has not been amazing. I'd like you to quote those posts that gave you these strong town vibes, and try to explain which parts and why.
Are you aware that when you gave Mixologist minus points you were saying you yourself were scummy?
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Note the complete absence of X on the scummy players list, despite a big difference in tone when making the same accusation you make against me. Even taking into account that you take his confirmation of Seraphim as a point in his favor, the accusation you make against me is "possible derailment", and the accusation against X is "OBVIOUS derailment", and a minor point that I personally see equal motivation for doesn't give X enough town cred to counterpoint the seriousness of your accusation.Lowell wrote:korts- possible derailment of OGB wason in 49, scum w/ OGB?
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