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Post Post #825 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:57 pm

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Charter wrote:I avoided my mason buddy entirely the last time I was mason with kmd, you forgotten that? Hard to believe.

Night 0 is our role claims and before.
Night 1 is after that and up to my long post
Night 2 is me saying the game is going down in history
Night 3 is the rest.

Why would I not say I didn't think darkdude was scum? I wasn't going to stick my neck out to try and save him when he was being entirely unhelpful. Why should I try and save him when I'm not sure he's town? Your question is a massive grasp at nothing.

Why is this game going down in history? Duh. Is this a serious question? Town is doing amazing.
I haven't forgot. I simply don't care. Meta, especially that kind of meta, is retarded.

So, during the night you say to your unconfirmed partner that you think darkdude is probably not scum. You then actively tell him to not pursue a line of discussion (his calling you out) in the game thread.

Day starts and you out of the gate do:
Charter wrote:THANK YOU WHOEVER KILLED MUFASA. Now I can return to catching scumbags full time.

vote darkdude for his last ditch attempt to save alvinz.
If Caboose has a better lynch candidate, I'm all ears.

Should rofl's mason buddy claim? I think he should.
So, you said all of the above to him that night and immediately 180 and vote for the person you don't think is scum under the same grounds for riding the Mufasa wagon (and using it as an excuse for your play in said above post).

Its not a matter of 'saving' him. You went "I dont think he's scum" to your partner and then immediately voted him out of the block -
and he didn't say anything.


Yet when a minute amount of pressure is applied to both of you he freely admits the masonry link and the non-confirmedness...but doesn't want to give the neighborhood? Why is that?

Anywho lets continue:
Sera wrote:Actually, thinking about it, if there's no support for a ekiM lynch, I say we lynch Charter. Confirming that neighbor claim, especially one that smells so bad, should be a priority.

Vote: charter
Le sigh. Its not about confirming a neighbor claim (which doesn't matter because neighbors can be scum so wooo). Its a matter of scum.
charter wrote:Lynching me to confirm a neighbor claim WHICH LOWELL ALREADY FUCKING CONFIRMED is too retarded to comprehend. Spyrex doesn't have a case for why I'm scum. He just mentions some stuff that I didn't do (don't see why I should either) and declares me scum.

I'm sorry Seraphim, but your reads this game have been all wrong, this one included, I wouldn't put any stock in them. Caboose is town, I'm town, Lowell is town, unfortunately, it seems you are too, Howard is, I think I'm forgetting one or two.

It's either tajo or Spyrex or both. We need to be lynching them.
I dont have a case? I guess I can put it in super bullet form.

1.) An adamancy in your scumcalls early minus Mix (who you fos for fitting in with the crowd and then never mention again).
2.) Pre-justification of a doc lynch that matches with my theory of you and mix being italians for bussing purposes.
3.) Your other FoS, not vote or even lets lynch, on inHim.
4.) The justification of doing very little on Mufasa still being alive.
5.) Voting for ekim for doing what you only FoS'd your partner for before (and what parallels your behavior in regards to him).
6.) Saying you dont care about Mixologist posting, because he can't be scum in this game...
7.) The modfom regarding Mix and what the mod said.

So yea, I mentioned some stuff that you did (or didn't do) because its scummy. You've rebutted me with *meta* for this at this point and a bit of shooing under the rug.

Even funnier is the fact your reply to Sera is "You were wrong before, therefore you are wrong now." I dont think I need to say much about that besides laying it out in a nice clean fashion.

And now you are saying the deadline scramble should be me based on...?
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Post Post #826 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:23 pm

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Vote Countpopulartajo (4): Korts, charter, Lowell, Seraphim
Lowell (2): ekiM, HowardRoark
charter (1): SpyreX
Caboose (1): X

Not Voting (2): Kison, populartajo


6 to lynch.

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: Monday July 6th, 9:30 CEST (GMT+2).
edit: Prodding: Korts. ekiM and X are on announced V/LA until July 8th and 4th respectively.
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Post Post #827 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:10 pm

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Sorry for the lack of posting, I've had a messy week. I'll catch up this weekend.
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Post Post #828 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:59 am

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So I am at L-2.

Very likely Im going to be hammered to avoid no lynch.

Ill give you guys something to evaluate.

I am a backup cop.

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Post Post #829 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:50 am

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I don't know if I want to call bull or not. Hmm.

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Post Post #830 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:58 am

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Oh fuck.

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Post Post #831 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:04 am

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If we assume game symmetry, at least one of Charter/Lowell is scum.

Right now, I'm more inclined to vote Lowell...if it comes to deadline, I'll vote for Lowell.
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Post Post #832 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:24 am

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Seraphim wrote:If we assume game symmetry, at least one of Charter/Lowell is scum.

Right now, I'm more inclined to vote Lowell...if it comes to deadline, I'll vote for Lowell.
And why would we assume "game symmetry"?

I think tajo is scum. Why would he try to lynch the cop if he's the backup cop?
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Post Post #833 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:28 am

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So he could be the cop? I dunno. That's a great question for tajo, not me.

Because game symmetry is supposedly something TDC likes? I remember that being mentioned somewhere in the thread.
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Post Post #834 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:32 am

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Yeah well as far as game symmetry goes, do the two mafia families resemble each other at all?
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Post Post #835 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:36 am

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Korts wrote:Yeah well as far as game symmetry goes, do the two mafia families resemble each other at all?
Negative.
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Post Post #836 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:41 am

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Just because one part of the game isn't symmetrical doesn't mean the rest of the game isn't too...
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Post Post #837 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:05 am

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The point is, why are you assuming "game symmetry"? It doesn't make any sense to policy lynch me or Lowell because of that.
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Post Post #838 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:16 am

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charter wrote:
Seraphim wrote:If we assume game symmetry, at least one of Charter/Lowell is scum.

Right now, I'm more inclined to vote Lowell...if it comes to deadline, I'll vote for Lowell.
And why would we assume "game symmetry"?

I think tajo is scum. Why would he try to lynch the cop if he's the backup cop?
Because I get to be the cop? And I know my alignment?

Nyeh. Well, sort of.

More importantly, Caboose is scummy as hell. Interactions with dead Italian are damning and the cop is far from being confirmed town. Thats a common mistake in these 2 mafia families games, specially this one where we already have a mafia doctor and mafia vigilantes. But whatever, Im not trying to lynch him anymore. Even if he is scum, his lynch is not optymal today.

These levels of tunneling are starting to worry me, charter. You are not even responding to my answers of your accusation.

Charter, why do you think Lowell is town?

Also, if we are looking at simmetry, how does the Seaside Neighborhood fit in Lower-Rocissi and Upper-Rocissi Neighborhood?
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Post Post #839 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:17 am

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2 scum neighborhood
2 town neighborhood

Would it make sense for a 1 town/1 scum neighborhood?

It's not completely based on policy, charter. I think cases have been stated for a lynch for both of you.
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Post Post #840 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:35 am

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Why dont we just massclaimn?

I bet that the scum(s) today is(are) not prepared for this.

Tomorrow, well. You get the idea.
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Post Post #841 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:33 pm

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You know what.

I'm down with this.

100%

I'll even be that guy and start it off.

I'm the vanillaest of vanillas. No active / passive / groups. Just a guy.

And at everyone going charter/lowell vote:lowell.... why lowell over charter?
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Post Post #842 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:48 pm

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Good. Spyrex is town.

Also, I was thinking in the same thing. Why Lowell over Charter? Lowell is the one that is not sure about charter towniness. Charter apparently is.

Maybe I have understimated him. Rereading him now.

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Post Post #843 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:26 pm

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So you're just "backup cop" tajo without any scum partners I mean masonry/neighborhood links?

And theres a simple litmus test to remember tomorrow:

If (person posts on site) AND (person doesn't post in here) THEN (person is scum).

Real easy.
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Post Post #844 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:45 pm

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populartajo wrote:Charter, why do you think Lowell is town?

Also, if we are looking at simmetry, how does the Seaside Neighborhood fit in Lower-Rocissi and Upper-Rocissi Neighborhood?
I think he's town because I think Mixologist missed a few nights in our talking, which makes me think he either wasn't around, or wasn't looking, both of which don't point to scum. I'd think scum would be more likely to check it since they probably have their own scum QT to check as well. They also have a kill to make, so I don't think Mixologist was scum. Also the fact that they really haven't done anything scummy.

Don't ask me where Seaside Neighborhood fits in, ask TDC.
Seraphim wrote:Would it make sense for a 1 town/1 scum neighborhood?
Why would that make sense?


I'm vanilla, except for being a neighbor with Lowell.
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Post Post #845 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:49 pm

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Also the fact that they really haven't done anything scummy.
Close, but lets fix it:
Also the fact that they really haven't done anything.
There, thats better.

And he misses nights with you and PM's the mod and thats totally sweeet?

Yea, I'm down with this.
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Post Post #846 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:54 pm

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Well, I don't know if I've ever seen Lowell as scum, but I've played with him as town a fair number of times, and he's on par right now.

When did he PM the mod? I thought it was the middle of the day, so I don't see why you're still so convinced.
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Post Post #847 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:46 pm

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I am a vanilla townie.
I (812) wrote:Seaside Neighborhood. ** Is that the actual group name in the role PM? **
I (823) wrote:Is "Seaside Neighborhood" the name of your group in the role PM?
Please answer this simple question.

@Kison: Please drop us some analysis ASAP.

populartajo's claim, vote for Caboose, and explanation . . . do nothing to alleviate my previous suspicions of him.

I had my eye on Korts, he made some great effort a while back, then weakens again. Post 830 and his quick unvote of populartajo, based on his claim I assume, doesn't look good to me.

Seraphim . . . why do you ruin (833) a great attempt by charter (832) to work on populartajo's claim?!?!?!?

populartajo's quick acceptance (842) of SpyeX vanilla claim (841) is bothersome.

@charter (844): I think that Lowell / Mixologist not participating in your night talk is not a town tell. At best it is a null tell.

I want to see the rest of the claims and need to do a little re-reading. For now, my vote stands.
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Post Post #848 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:47 pm

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I've answered that Seaside Neighborhood is what's said in the role PM like three times.
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Post Post #849 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:11 pm

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THe only part of my claim that I have not posted is the fact that I am night-kill immune. Otherwise, I am a member of the Lower Roccisi Neighborhood and have a shared kill with my partner, X.

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