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Yvoone wrote:I think Eden, Nathan and Peter are dangerous in the hands of scum, especially if two or more are partnered together, and can cause a lot chaos in town without town realising it.
I'm town, so you shouldn't worry.
Okay, I'm back. I don't like ZONEACE, but he's a little too behind the curve to be wrong. Shea seems to be thinking, and not acitng on a "this person is town, this person is scum" pre-knowledge system.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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I'm treating Eden as a standard busdriver that doesn't effect mafia kills or SK kills. Its considerably underpowered for a busdriver, but I still like the role.
I'd like to ask people, please work off the assumption that I'm town here (as I'm looking for advice). Do you feel that my usage of my power tonight would be a benefit or a detriment to the town?It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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how so shea? I'd know if X targeted Y I suppose. I'm like a weak tracker.
Regardless, I'm looking right now at using it on one of the more scum-biased roles, which I cannot determine without careful study.
Mod:Can I target myself, so that I swap with someone else?It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Ouch. I know the moogle looks girly, but lets make an effort.Adele wrote:Yeah, god forbid she understands how her role works,
I have a few bonuses as a redirector if the doc is still alive (and town), I can make the doc protect me (I know I'm confirmed town), I can make the doc protect himself, I can make anyone else protected if the doc is mafia (if he's Sylar its definatly harder).
I think directing watcher tracker is useless. The only reason I'd do it is if they're scum and making bad choices, but they'd get the results anyway, so there is no point.
Adele is a key person to dicover the alignment of.
Mod:If I influence mathcam, how long does it last for?It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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I'm a confirmed townie, the only one I know. Why wouldn't I want to do that?Jdoudge wrote:His wanting to protect himself using the doc
There are other people in this game with powers other than me and Adele, and they can'tshaft.ed wrote:You know you cannot verify anyone else's alignment, thus you should not be considering this course of action.allbe scum.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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That works for me.shaft.ed wrote:In order to estimate the usefulness of Doc protecting someone you should calculate Probability of Town*Probability of NK. I think your score will be much lower than other players in this game.
Yeah.david wrote:True, but we cant assume your all telling the truth either..
Mathcam is right, I shouldn't use my power N1 (based on my previous N1 experience).
Please explain this.shaft.ed wrote: investigative roles are best sent towards Peter as they can help the town regardless of Adeles alignmentIt's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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To quote a great frog: Reading the Thread is Tech.shaft.ed wrote:A couple pages ago you were discussing sending her your redirection ability, although it had previously been discussed at length that your powers in scum hands basically nullify investigation results and could make a town aligned doctor absolutely useless. Now you're getting hesitant about her being given Investigation powers, even though they can still be in the town's benefit if given to scum.
Oman wrote:Adele is a key person to dicover the alignment of.
I was talking about Adele's alignment and how important it was, you just wanted Adele to get the roles regardless.Oman wrote:Adele, if you're town I want to target you ASAP. If you're scum, my role in your hands could be very not good.
They could both be mafia.shaft.ed wrote:The problem with scum running this gambit is that it will come down to two people telling the town that the other one is lying.
Vote: Shaft.edThis is the third (?) time you've done something strange like this. Its simply falsifying.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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How curious:
Shaft.ed wrote:Finally his role is most detrimental to the town, so regardless of his usual playstyle he should be making a serious effort to look town today.
Damned if I do, damned if I don't.Shaft.ed wrote:He has also been overly eager to claim his towniness which I also find to be a scum tell.
Also, my role could be dangerous to the town, which is why I asked for advice on its use. You seem to give with the right hand and take with the left.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Adele: Peter Petrelli, Role AbsorberAs you know, I feel that Adele as town is a great asset, that being said, I feel that Adele as scum could be dangerous. I can't see a real flaw in Shaft.ed's plan to give her a track or something. Regardless, I am unwilling to trust Adele right now, due to the power of her role, thus I am not happy to lynch her, but have no clear town read
Zindaras: Mohinder Suresh, NetworkerZindaras is in the game? LAL in me cries to lynch her.
mathcam: Ted Sprague, Walking BombA real danger player here. If he is Sylar/SK, we have no problem, as him using his power is not likely, if he is town, him using his power is not likely at this point of the game. I do not feel that mathcam is the lynch today.
Oman: Eden McCain, Subliminal InfluencerNot the lynch, despite, you know, not being scum, there are a few other reasons. Like the power of my power.
curiouskarmadog: The man with the horn-rimmed glasses, JailkeeperJailkeeper as town is a good role, being able to protect friends and RB enemies (not at the same time). I also have zero scum read from CKD.
JDodge: the Haitian, DampenerJD is a psycho, and I have real trouble analysing his play. He has one reliable scumtell I've found and if I see it, I'll letyou know.
shaft.ed: Nathan Petrelli, MotivatorPerhaps the scummiest read I've got, though by no means definative. He seems to contrive a lot, and rerange the truth, but he also has some very good thought processes that aren't swayed to either side. I'd be happy with a shaft.ed lynch, though.
Thestatusquo: Ando Masahashi, VanillaNo real chance of being dangerous tonight powers wise, unless he is Sylar, and if he's mafia his lynch wouldn't stop the kill anyway. Shea is also pushing for discussion. I'm going to say I would be against a shealynch.
ZONEACE: Matt Parkman, TrackerNot much read. Based on power alone, I'd want him to target Adele before we lynched him.
Gorgon: DL Hawkins, HiderNot much read.
YvonneSeer: Claude Rains, WatcherYvonne is interesting to me. She argues against mainlining our powers to Adele, which I agreed with (shaft.ed gave some good thoughts on that). Probably townie right now, more would be said by Adele's alignment.
davidangelsummers: Daniel Linderman, DoctorA near useless ability for Sylar or mafia, will not hurt to leave it another day.
my lynch candidates: Zindaras, Shaft.edIt's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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My Meta on CKD is he has a better defence whilst scum then town. Though I've never seen him be quite so angry/sarcastic in a game.TSQ wrote:curiouskarmadog again a bit of a missnomer. He just strikes me as town who is not particulary good at defending himself. Thats all. Call it a gut feeling.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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gorgon wrote:Putting Zindaras up as a prime lynching candidate instead of just asking to have him replaced was pretty dubious.Oman in response to TSQ suggesting replacement wrote:Works for me, it just needs to be fixed (D1 is so the best time to crack out LAL though).It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Yuck. Yuck, yuck, yuck.Adele wrote:Then, leading on from there (IF you do) I was asking if you were willing to put any kind of deposit down on it - never thinking it'd be as bald as "if he's innocent you are if he's guilty you are",
There is no way for a town CKD to know anyone's alignment, and tieing himself in either way will only end (IMO) with a CKD lynch. If he's scum, so is CKD (because he put down the "deposit" [note i'm ignoring WIFOM as your inital comment ignored it]).
If he's town, CKD must have been scum trying to tie himself to a townie, thus CKD is lynched.
Adele, thats a really bad idea where you assume innocence or guilt in a one to one like "if he's innocent you are if he's guilty you are". I know you were intending to do something less "bald" but anything more than "If CKD is scum/town I'll eat my hat" is a stupid "bet" to make.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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shaft.ed wrote:He's using insults, not answering people and in many instances avoiding serious discussion, but he has at times partaken in discussion although usually after much requesting.
How interesting when its ZONEACE its not scummy but with me you often refer to it to cite my scummyness (IIRC).shaft.ed wrote:Oman why do you never answer my inquiries completely (or sometimes at all)?It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Well, Fonz is right, the wagon on me is not the usual "OMG OMAN IS WAGONING" wagon.
Adele is creeping up my scumlist as Shaft.ed pointed out, she's suddenly coming to the party now that it looks like a possible lynch.
Unsure of where I stand with shaft.ed now. He's dropped a lot of the horrible, crappy, arguments on me that he had early on.
Lieing as a townie can help the town. Its true, unfortunatlyFonz wrote:The only way that is true is if you're scum.
I said in my next post that a replacement would suffice.Fonz wrote:He lists an inactive on his 'willing to lynch' list, that sets all my alarms ringing. Shaft.ed's 373 sets this out perfectly.
I have not moved onto him, I merely wanted to be involved in the meta discussion. You've overstated my postition.Fonz wrote:I don't like his move onto ZA, which seems like the easy counterwagon to his own.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Am I?
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Fuck.
Well, now I look stupid.
Thats a good point, but it still doesn't change the fact where I will lie if I feel it will help me win. That point may not arise, but I'll do it if it does.Fonz wrote:This game has a setup that makes lying as town even less likely to be helpful than usual.
I still look damn stupid.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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I'd love to, Unfortunatly, it relies on nobody knowing it.Adele wrote:Care to describe this plan?
Oh and on the innocence wager. I thought it was a bad idea from the start.
This part sucks. Forget the second part:Adele wrote:. Then, leading on from there (IF you do) I was asking if you were willing to put any kind of deposit down on it
The first part alone is enough to make me fume. Townies (in this context, including powerroles) shouldn't vote/not vote because it makes them look scummy or not. They should do what they want based on what alignment they think the person is. AND TOWN MAKE MISTAKES, all the time! So the only person who gains from your "innoncence deposit" is scum.Adele wrote:never thinking it'd be as bald as "if he's innocent you are if he's guilty you are",
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I never said that, stop putting words into my mouth.Adele wrote:If this master plan is a reason for you not to be lynched today
Why did it need to be said? If it ALWAYS happens, then why did you need to push it on to CKD? Why did you even mention it?Adele wrote: attacking or supporting someone is, to some extent, and among other things, a gamble on the innocence or guilt of that person?
It does. And I don't expect too many people to trust me, after all, this game isn't about trust. If just enough do that we can take it to NL or, if something superscummy comes up, them, then I'll be able to help.shaft.ed wrote:I will however attempt to figure out this master plan of Oman's, and if I do I will consider changing my vote. But I highly doubt it exists.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Well, I doubt I'll be killed.shaft.ed wrote:Oman, What Shea said. If you're dead, I don't see your plan working too well.
For one thing, I'm carrying the most votes, and that is something that I (when I play scum) try to keep around.
Oh, and if I do die, well, that would suck...I hadn't thought of that.
Shaft.ed, do you think I'll die tonight?It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Well, I doubt I'll be killed.shaft.ed wrote:Oman, What Shea said. If you're dead, I don't see your plan working too well.
For one thing, I'm carrying the most votes, and that is something that I (when I play scum) try to keep around.
Oh, and if I do die, well, that would suck...I hadn't thought of that.
Shaft.ed, do you think I'll die tonight?It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Well, I doubt I'll be killed.shaft.ed wrote:Oman, What Shea said. If you're dead, I don't see your plan working too well.
For one thing, I'm carrying the most votes, and that is something that I (when I play scum) try to keep around.
Oh, and if I do die, well, that would suck...I hadn't thought of that.
Shaft.ed, do you think I'll die tonight?It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Post 'Splosion.
Its a meta, no less valid than any other.Fonz wrote:You're seriously using that as an argument? Really?
After Cicero's post I'm considering self-voting, as he says, tactics to the town. But like Fonz says, Bus driver would not be Sylar's first priority.
I hadn't even thought of that. Shit, we need a cop, and we need it on AdeleCicero wrote: Basically Oman can give useful powers to Peter/Adele against the will of the person owning them.
Okay, due to the fact that I'm likely going to die, I will reveal it, and to hell with it now.
The Mafia "Thing" says this:
Wouldn't it be logical that the mafia would use someone WITHOUT a power to make the kill? Thus I was planing to redirect ZONEACE onto either TSQ or Adele (as both are, at present, powerless, and thus candidates for mafia kill). Unfortunatly, this would not work on Sylar (thus I said "Doesn't really confirm a town") unless it was done at a later night to TSQ who would then have power.Mafia Discription wrote:Each night one of you (and only one of you) may target a player and kill them. If you do, you may not use any other night or day choice your role would normally allow you to use until the following night
Also, ZONEACE (who could be mafia with them) would then reveal YES I FOUND THA KILLER! When his results came up, thinking he could get a town lynched and blame me or someone else for distorting. That way we would have found if Shea/Adele was mafia/Town+sylar.
Now I need to think of something New...fuck.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Actually, it only works if the mafia member that performs the kill is whoever I redirect to, but lets look at these.Shaft.ed wrote:Mathcam, Jdodge, CKD, cicero, The Fonz and gorgon
I forgot Mathcam, thinking he had a power and moved on.
Jdodge is a power the mafia would probably use.
CKD Has another power the mafia would probably use.
Cicero is a toss up, but if I was mafia, I'd probably use it.
The Fonz and Gorgon would both definatly use their powers as mafia, keeping themselves (or their team) safe from Sylar.
I don't know where those three (Yvonne, ZA, and you) came from, becuase I was talking about shea or adele being scum, not any of you three (except where I said the tracker may be).It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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