Yvoone wrote:I think Eden, Nathan and Peter are dangerous in the hands of scum, especially if two or more are partnered together, and can cause a lot chaos in town without town realising it.
Bah I got off to a really bad start in this game. First off, I didn't read Cam's initial post closely enough. I should have noticed he was just putting the idea of Eden being most antitown out there. Also, like CKD and TSQ I had the feeling that he was pushing for a policy lynch, and not simple pressure. For this reason I think I should
TSQ wrote:WOAH WOAH WOAH. Show me the post where I ever came ever close to saying that mathcam was pushing for a policy lynch? Like, don't try to drag me down with your crappy logic, dude.
Sorry I inferred that's what your FoS's were about since they were comepletely unaccompanied by any explanation. If you'd explain a bit more then I wouldn't end up using such crappy logic.Thestatusquo wrote:unfos Jdodge, mathcam
Wow...I was completely wrong there.
Sorry, I don't understand. How will the SK be found out through this?shaft.ed wrote:Also I've been rolling it over in my head this weekend and Eden is in fact the most dangerous role to the town, not the Haitian. This is because the Haitian's power can be contained where Eden's can "get out." The Haitian's power make us know that JDodge is unTrackable and Vigable, but if they were picked up by Sylar they would be of little use becauseonce a "dampened" result is obtained Sylar will be found out. So the threat stays with JDodge. However, if Sylar kills Oman and picks up the redirection, we will have no way of knowing whether any of our investigation results are worth anything. This negates a good portion of our protown powers. While it wouldn't be that big of a problem if they power were to be steadfastly remaining with Oman since he can be Dampened, Jailed or Tracked, the danger of the powers escaping is real. And having the Jailkeeper's target choreographed each day is also a big problem. Thus I rescind my earlier analysis and agree that Oman's role is an inherently greater threat than JDodge's.
My replies in bold.shaft.ed wrote:In a further power analysis I have to say I found some of Yvonne's comments off.
This is a very curosry analysis. I fail to see how my powers are extremely dangerous to the town. It's not like people won't be able to elucidate who I targeted. I expect if tommorow comes and I haven't targeted the Watcher, Tracker or Doc I'm going to be under a large amount of pressure.YvonneSeer wrote:I think Eden, Nathan and Peter are dangerous in the hands of scum, especially if two or more are partnered together, and can cause a lot chaos in town without town realising it.
And what if you're scum with one of the three you stated? It would be simple to lie about results. True, Nathan is not dangerous on his own, but once he starts motivating his scum partners if they have dangerous powers, he doubles the threat to town and I would indeed classify that as a danger to town.
As I've stated before the Haitian is hardly a protown role. The threat of a scum Ted kill is largest if he is close to lynch when the Haitian cannot dampen him. The only good thing the Haitian gives the town is control over the Redirection which will be moot if picked up by Sylar.YvonneSeer wrote:HRG and the Haitian will be very helpful if pro-town but the Haitian's immunity to Powers has a lot more advantage as anti-town. If the Haitian is pro-town, the immunity is useful only to prevent anti-town Ted from suiciding on him and anti-town Eden from redirecting him. So I do agree that HRG is more pro-town than the Haitian if you go by a certain logic.
You are underestimating the Haitian. While not as pro-town as HRG, he can still block anti-town Peter and Nathan, whom I still believe are more dangerous to town than most other roles, in addition to anti-town Eden. I don't think you can dismiss the Haitian as hardly a pro-town role. If we go by your line of thought, since Eden is most dangerous as scum, she cannot be pro-town at all, which is not true.
Given the set up of two killing groups having them around as scum may not be bad in the early goings. But noone should get a free pass based on their role.YvonneSeer wrote:Matt and Claude are just the usual Tracker and Watcher stuff. I personally think they are more helpful as pro-town than anti-town but it might be WIFOM since I'm Claude.
I agree 100%. I never said we should base scumminess on roles. Overall, I just want the town to know the kind of roles that could hurt us in the hands of scum and also, perhaps at the same time, we can find a way to optimise the usage of our roles to help town.
As far as players go, I haven't noticed any big transgressions. CKD's attacking of Mathcam was a bit much, but I did the same for even poorer reasons.
No, your crappy logic is not at all a product of others, it's a product of you alone. If you have a question about what I feel about something, ask, instead of making an assumption about it.shaft.ed wrote:TSQ wrote:WOAH WOAH WOAH. Show me the post where I ever came ever close to saying that mathcam was pushing for a policy lynch? Like, don't try to drag me down with your crappy logic, dude.Sorry I inferred that's what your FoS's were about since they were comepletely unaccompanied by any explanation. If you'd explain a bit more then I wouldn't end up using such crappy logic.Thestatusquo wrote:unfos Jdodge, mathcam
Wow...I was completely wrong there.
OK so what were your FOS's for in the first place?Thestatusquo wrote:No, your crappy logic is not at all a product of others, it's a product of you alone. If you have a question about what I feel about something, ask, instead of making an assumption about it.shaft.ed wrote:TSQ wrote:WOAH WOAH WOAH. Show me the post where I ever came ever close to saying that mathcam was pushing for a policy lynch? Like, don't try to drag me down with your crappy logic, dude.Sorry I inferred that's what your FoS's were about since they were comepletely unaccompanied by any explanation. If you'd explain a bit more then I wouldn't end up using such crappy logic.Thestatusquo wrote:unfos Jdodge, mathcam
Wow...I was completely wrong there.
Thestatusquo wrote:It was pretty obvious to me that CKD was being sarcastic. In my mind, it looked like you and jdodge were deliberately misinterpreting his post to make him look bad. I was obviously quite wrong, as he WAS serious.
No. Eden redirects a Power if that player chose to use it, if they chose no action Eden's ability does nothing. FYI this was already specified in Eden's role PM as in post 3.shaft.ed wrote:Seol before I start off, another Eden question. If a player choses no target can Eden force one to be made?
You can choose to redirect your target's target onto yourself. So yes, you can use your ability to, for example, draw Linderman's doctor protection on to you.Oman wrote:how so shea? I'd know if X targeted Y I suppose. I'm like a weak tracker.
Regardless, I'm looking right now at using it on one of the more scum-biased roles, which I cannot determine without careful study.
Mod:Can I target myself, so that I swap with someone else?
Mohinder would be pretty useful as town, but the problem of course is that the people he networks will never be sure if they can trust him, and vice versa. Thus he wouldn't be that damaging as scum either, IMO.YvonneSeer wrote:I don't have anything on Mohinder and DL though and I would be interested in some discussion about their respective abilities and usefulness as pro-town and danger as anti-town.
No, it's not WIFOM at all. It's simply a biased opinion. Not that I disagree ... Matt and Claude would be pretty useless in the hands of scum; certainly they wouldn't be damaging for the town at all if they're scum.YvonneSeer wrote:And finally, we have the Investigation Roles. Matt and Claude are just the usual Tracker and Watcher stuff. I personally think they are more helpful as pro-town than anti-town but it might be WIFOM since I'm Claude
Depends very much on what you use it for. In any case, I wouldn't recommend using it on Matt or Claude, as per my opinion of these roles above.Oman wrote:I'd like to ask people, please work off the assumption that I'm town here (as I'm looking for advice). Do you feel that my usage of my power tonight would be a benefit or a detriment to the town?
Potentially, if Oman thinks he knows better who they should track/watch than they themselves, he could use his ability to 'help' them. I certainly wouldn't recommend that, though.Thestatusquo wrote:Also, what do we gain from having oman change the roles of those two players?