Chuck Season 1 - GAME OVER
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Ooba's second post and possible his first feel bad, potentially because of the way he hopped onto your joke as if it were an opportunity to say something and to make a vote. The fact that he followed up by doing nothing (although the game had barely begun), potentially made the whole thing together seem a little suspicious. He later through suspicion onto another person based on one post without commenting on any of the other things that had happened in the game.
All that together makes him look negative.-
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Thor665 wrote:
@Rag - how does that make sense, and aren't you voting MikeyB still?
Dana's case on MarchHare seemed to be based around him saying day 1 scumhunting wasn't possible, or something similar, I was guessing he was referring to the exchange between you and him, where MarchHare said this:
Deep scum hunting comes on page one; looking back on my games there have been several instances where I've pegged scum within the first five pages and then let them slide based on later play.
And you said this:
Deeper scumhunting comes Day 2 and maybe late Day 1. Prior to that we have wagons for reasons that are weak but still valid.
It was a bad case anyway, since both of you are early aggressive players, looking to lynch right off the bat.-
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Peregrine said that he was voting thor with the intention or pressuring him into posting more (Thus the phrase "More thor, not less thor"), but Thor was one of the most active players in the game, especially in comparison to peregrine, who had posted zero content. I was trying to stylishly taunt peregrine while pointing the spotlight in his direction, looking cool and laid back in the mean time.-
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@Dana:
Thor begins the bout between himself and MarchHare when he asks why MarchHare hadn't bandwagonned onto MBF with the rest of us (He was either at L-2 or L-3 at the time)
MarchHare calls it a bad wagon, and thor pushes for more information. MarchHare and him have a small back-and-forth where thor tries to figure out why MarchHare doesn't find MBF scummy, but a lot of talking and not much information is gained. MarchHare has a gut-based town read on MBF.
Thor says that deeper scumhunting occurs later in the game, and MarchHare says that deep scumhunting can happen at the beginning of the game. MarchHare is advocating the ooba wagon though not as loudly as thor is advocating the MBF wagon.
You, at this point, vote MarchHare with the reasoning not really matching up with anything MarchHare has said. You say that MarchHare is trying to "make people think that we can't find scum on page x", seemingly indirectly quoting what thor said earlier. MarchHare was advocating an ooba lynch and explicitly said that deep scumhunting was possible on page 1 prior to this.
@ MarchHare
Just trying to put some pressure on someone with at least a little reasoning. I hate your repeated attempts to make us think we can't find scum on page x.
unvote vote: MarchHare
You later expanding on your vague vote and the reasoning seemed to change a lot with a new wording.
Your attempt to stop any cases from forming by defending players from the inevitably weak attacks made by others is much scummier. We can find scumtells this early in the game, and convincing ourselves that we can't hurts the town.
You still have an evident lack of knowledge on MarchHare's opinions, especially the "we can find scumtells this early in this game", since that's essentially echoing MarchHare's opinion, not contradicting it. Attempting to stop cases from forming is something vague and probably wrong. The only case MarchHare spent time refuting was the RVS wagon that put MBF to L-2, and that was when thor tried to push him into joining it. That's not exactly trying to stomp out any cases.
I caught on to the fact that you might have had a vital misreading, especially with you essentially attacking MarchHare for the "early scumhunting doesn't work thing", and tried to correct you.
Some time passes, and then after the thor wagon passes, you try and shake some of the straggler votes off him by calling him town. This is the guy that was taking the side of the debate that you were attacking MarchHare for (early scumhunting isn't possible), although to be fair, both of them were pretty zealous in their early attacks.
You then go on to continue your attack on MarchHare, by quoting all of his counterpoints to thor, where he is explaining that he does not want to hop on the L-2 RVS wagon that thor is pushing.
None of this adds up at all, you seem to be way more focused on attacking MarchHare than on the reasons you are attacking him for, and you're being a little defensive of thor as well. You two being buddies wouldn't surprise me very much.
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MarchHare wrote:@Ragnarokio, what is your read on dana as of right now?
Mild suspicion, while noting that thor and dana are more likely scum if the other flips so.
danakillsu wrote:@ Ragnarokio
Your case is confusing to me. Granted you don't like my reasons for voting MarchHare. But when was thor saying that early scumhunting wasn't possible? How am I being defensive of thor in any way other than calling him a townread of mine?
1) Thor and MarchHare specifically talked about early scumhunting as part of their exchange before. MarchHare was of the opinion that scumhunting was possible straight from the start of the game, He goes so far as to say he has pegged a lot of scum in the first five pages.
Thor takes the opposite side of the debate, saying that scumhunting has little value as far as catching scum goes until a little later into the game (late day 1, and day 2). He says that cases built before then are going to be weak, although clearly advocates early aggression.
2) You were against MarchHare during his argument with thor, when the reasons you were citing fit thor measurably better than MarchHare.
You said this:
I hate your repeated attempts to make us think we can't find scum on page x.
MarchHare said this:
Deep scum hunting comes on page one
You were basically attacking him for the opposite of something he said. This makes me think that you may have been attacking MarchHare because he was attacking thor, rather than anything MarchHare did. You ignored (or missed, I can't tell how much you're reading) my earlier post where I said:
Dana, MarchHare was advocating early scumtells, not denying them, your vote might better be placed on thor.
and the later post where i elaborated on that in more detail. You continuing the case on MarchHare, although maybe shifting the focus slightly (You only had three or so posts describing the case, and they all varied slightly), and spoke against the thor wagon. This makes me think you aren't too interested in what thor was doing, just in how you could attack MarchHare.-
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@MarchHare: You said you've played with him before, and didn't like his playstyle. Was he fluffy and directionless then?
@RC: I've seen townies do things that they have attacked others for in the past. You're generally not always analyzing all of your own actions as town, and Dana's case felt a little off to me to begin with. I'm finding that Dana isn't making a lot of sense to me in general, and I'm not sure how to take that.
As for the rest of the case, I can buy a lot of the points you are making. When I read back on Dana (primarily in regards to my own suspicions), i noticed a lot of things that made me less confident in my read, and decided to drop the argument, since it was one I probably wasn't going to win. Your points are a little scattered, and I still don't have a strong read on Dana, but I would consider voting him later.-
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Ant hasn't done anything worthwhile all day, which might be what other people have been picking up on. Most of his posts are small short-term reads that don't have much visible impact on his own view, or on the view of others. He pretty much just quotes some posts and says a few things on them every now and then. When he has voted, it's generally been on weak targets, he went from Thor (RVS) to MoS (Lurker) to Pere (Contentless), to Dana (Already being attacked), and then back to MoS.
When he provided reads on all his players, very few of them had any analysis at all. For the most part he just called players that looked town, town, and then called Dana (who was being attacked) scum.
So he's got zero worthwhile content, and just goes after the weakest link all the time. I skimmed over some of his other town games, couldn't find any mafia ones. It looked like he was generally more aggressive and meaningful in his posting there.
Ant is my strongest suspect right now, after reading back. I would support his lynch.
Also, Channel, I think you missed my question.
Channel: Do you have any opinions that you haven't shared?
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ChannelDelibird wrote:Ragnarokio wrote:
Also, Channel, I think you missed my question.
Channel: Do you have any opinions that you haven't shared?
Apologies for missing that. The answer is no, although as I say I owe this game some attention as there are things I've skimmed/ignored. Can I ask why you asked that to me specifically?
You hadn't done much all game, but a few times you made it sound like you may have been doing something.-
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Mastermind of Sin wrote:Hmm...Ragnarokio, where are you? Deadline is coming up, and you have been sitting with the same vote on Thor for almost a week now, which you placed with the reasoning "Cool." I may hate everything Thor has stood for this game, but in general I get a townie read from him, as he seems to be trying to scumhunt at least.
Most of your posts this game have been pointless one-liners, and looking back, the only real contribution you've had on this game has been to defend MarchHare. Why is that the most important thing you see in this game? There isn't anything particularly townie about MarchHare, although one could potentially make the argument that his actions are a null tell at best. Still, it's pretty much the only thing you've focused on all game, and that looks fairly suspicious.
Vote: Ragnarokio, FoS: MarchHare
@Mod: Deadline extension please?We're finally getting somewhere productive. Also, two-week deadlines are kinda ridiculous. No one in their right minds considers that a reasonable amount of time to decide on a lynch.
1) Been busy lately, I don't vote a lot.
2) I think I've said some things this game. It's not like all my one-liners were completely off-topic, and I did say a few other things.
3) MarchHare is a pretty cool guy. If I was defending him it was probably because he was taking up so much of my attention, though I doubt anything I did could be classified as defense.-
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@Ant:
1) If by "At the End" you meant "Right by the Start" then I can buy that. Dana and Peregrine are the only two people who have any feasible effort put into them. RC has some analysis but it's empty. The rest of the people have nothing real on them.
2) Looking through your posts. #6 Is the first real one, and it makes a couple comments that don't accomplish anything, and that you don't follow up on. You also vote for MBF, but unvote him as soon as he posts again. Post #10 is another real post, where you poke at someone for lurking, and shrug off an accusation by saying it's how you play. You also make a comment on me that you don't follow up on. Your next three posts involve you being excessively neutral and non-active, and the one after is you voting someone for lurking.
This pattern persists throughout the day, you do nothing that has any real impact on anything. You're way too neutral and disconnected from the game. You might as well not be here.
3) You are the first person that I have seriously attacked this game. Nice defense, though.
4) Yep. What do you have to say about your target-hopping? You didn't seem very interested in Dana for long.
5) I guess that explains why you're playing so transparently.
6) This does not seem to be the case. I double-checked a couple of your games, and you're generally involved right from the beginning. I might buy your activity going down at some points, but for the most part, you're involved, slightly aggressive, and contributing original and meaningful content. Not like your play here.-
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danakillsu wrote:Ragnarokio wrote:Because the thor vote was from a relatively baseless wagon and I didn't feel like voting ant at the time.
Could you....explain this? I have no idea what you're saying. What you felt like at the time doesn't seem like a great reason for anything, but maybe the first part puts that in context.
I wanted to see how ant and others would react if I attacked ant without putting a vote behind it. I at least thought it had a higher potential to yield useful information than a direct vote would have been. If Ant was scum, a wagon on him probably wouldn't have been successful at that point in the game, so it wasn't worth trying to lynch him anyway. My vote was on thor because I hadn't removed it from the previous bandwagon.-
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