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@Esurio - the latter. still, though, I think there needs to be some calculated method to the madness.
@quadz08 - it doesn't work like the person doesn't get NK immunity (as far as I can see). That was my first thought when I saw the ring thing: why the hell wouldn't the scum just nightkill who got the ring?-
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But you do have VOTES.singersigner wrote:You don't have a case to react to.
Vote: singersinger
I like VV's argument, actually (although calling it a case is a bit of an overstatement).
Ehhhh this just seems like gandalf being an idiot.Edge wrote:To his credit, his vote is still on me, BUTTTTTTTTTTTTT he said "scum dont have superpowerz"
THEN I CALIMED NOT TO HAVE THEM.
Then he just imbues someone else. HE DID NOT UPGRADE HIS RVS VOTE TO A REAL VOTE, OR SAY "wow claimed scum" OR ANYTHING.
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Ok, I'm changing my mind about Gandalf. His arguments are becoming too pointed to be dumbtown and are more likely to be coming from scum.
1) This kinda offbeat theory that scum don't have super powers / cannot utilize the ring. This possibility did not occur to me AT ALL. Maybe it did for other people, in which case I'm wrong, but it smells like insider info.
2) The whole "ring makes scum action immune, so nobody targets ringbearer." Same as above. It is just not something that occurred to me AS TOWN.
3) Why the hell would we give the ring to a random NULL read and not a strong TOWN read? Or someone claiming to have a good power?-
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I don't see why I have to vote Gandalf to say he's scummy. I only have one vote, and I like my vote on singersinger more.Plum wrote:Where's the Gandalf vote??? NONE.
There's also no requirement that we imbue RIGHT NOW. Just wait a bit and see what reads develop, then make your pick. It's that simple?gandalf wrote:Do you have anyone as a STRONG town read at this point? I don't. The closest to that that I have is a leaning-town on esurio. But my point is that WE WANT GOOD PLAYERS TO HAVE THE RING. NOT STUPID TOWN. And I don't know anything about esurio, so I don't trust him to use it well if he is town. Thus, I vote for SptySpy because I DO think that if he is town, he'll know how to use it.
The idea of imbuing somebody just because you think they will use it right IF THEY ARE TOWN is terrible. We are not giving the ring to anyone who is not to the town side of center. Preferably, they will be very far from the center.-
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This is equally dumb because I'd be willing to bet MOST IF NOT ALL supers are better than regular powers, soooo in 99% scum are probably going to be like, "wow, who should we kill tonight, I don't know, MAYBE THE PERSON WHO PUBLICLY GOT THE RING THAT DAY."gandalf wrote:And to be honest, I don't trust anyone who claims that they have a strong superpower. Why would town claim that? It's basically telling the scum "O HAI GUIZ I HAVE REALLY AWESOME ROLE NK ME PLOX?"
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So let me get this straight - you are voting for me because my first post of the game didn't say anything relevant?Katy wrote:Also in reviewing your posting, I don't necessarily take issue with your first post for trying to direct town, I take issue with it as an essentially meaningless post. I always find it suspicious when people post as if they are giving game insight, and then you really look at it and all they are doing is stating the obvious. Which is basically what your first post was.
Hellllooooooooo scum in need of an excuse to get on the wagon.-
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You know, Fate, I actually went back and looked to see if you had answered it. This is what you had to say on the subject.Edge wrote:THIS IS GETTING FUCKIGN RIDICULOUS.
"WHY WOUDL SUCM""
WHY WOULD SCUM
"WHY WOULD SCUM"
1. IVE ANSWERED THREE FUCKING+ TIMES WHY SHE WOULD.
2. WHY WOULD TOWN? HOW ABOUT FUCKING THAT? WHY WOULD TOWN LIE ABOUT SUCH A THING?
3. THERSE NOW SO MANY OF YOU GODDAMN CLOWNS I CANT TELL WHICH IS SCUM AND WHICH IS A FUCKING MORON
(VV IS A MORON OF COURSE)
Edge wrote:She's lying scum backtracking to cover her tracks.Edge wrote:I SAID WHAT THESCUMPLUM MOTIVATIO WWAS CLEAR AS FUCKING DAY.
ITS BOVIOUS WHY SHE LIED.
So the first time you just say "she's lying scum to cover her tracks" ... and then every other mention is just a reference to the "obviousness" of it all or the time that you "already explained it." You've basically drowned out the original premise of your argument with a ton of yelling and build up, which doesn't look so hot when the original premise isn't actually as strong as you keep saying it is.Edge wrote:IF YOU DONT THINK TRHESRESW SCUM MOTIVAITON IN BUDDYING UP TO ME BAY CALLING ME TOWN THEN YOU CANT PLAY THIS GAME /OUT GOOD SIR OR CLAIM SCUM OR DIE
So yeah, I'm still not seeing why scum-Plum would lie about knowing who you were. I'm not saying she DIDN'T lie (maybe she did, I don't really know), but I don't see why, as scum, she would say, "heheheh, if I lie about this, something good will happen!" It seems more likely that she was just dumb, which isn't a tell.
Now, instead of going into hyper-mode about how stupid, idiotic, and scummy I am, just take a few minutes and actually EXPLAIN the link your argument is missing. If you're right and I'm an idiot, then cool, you helped improve the quality of the game by making me see your rationale. If you're wrong, then we don't mislynch. Win-win.-
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This is a terrible line of logic; just because I'm not SHEEPING AND IMITATING YOU IN A DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO BE COOL like gandalf does not make me scum.Edge wrote:Plum is scum and your lates post has NOTHING, not ONE THING in it besides "why is plumscum fate" AGM, that means you get death soon.
Anyway, I get your point on the Plum case now. I'm STILL a bit hesitant because it personally took me a few pages to realize who you were … but then again, I did not mod a whole game with you in it. Additionally, given the context (which you could have just referenced instead of dancing around it for 3 pages, but whatever), it does seem like pretty bad backpedaling.
Unvote, vote: Plum
Nullish.Plum wrote:AGM - Do you think Edge is scummish or Townish? One word answer. Pronto.-
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This equation is so convoluted I don't even know what you are talking. The argument wasn't clear to me before. It was clarified. I agreed with it. I voted. How is that sheeping?Edge wrote:Not apologizing for not sheeping + actual sheeping = I'M SORRY FATE I WASN'T SHEEPING YOU BEFORE I'MA MAKE IT UP TO YOU.
I'm town, so no. And with regards to the imbue, there's still a ways to go on any particular wagon, so I don't see why I need to pile on.Plum wrote:You voted to Imbue yourself? It's majority needed to Imbue. You just put me at L-1 and didn't vote one of the top Imbue wagons, giving yourself a vote which is either pointless or counterproductive. Way to keep things actually moving. I've been voting you and I'm damn glad I've been voting scum nearly this entire blasted game.
I never have and never will get the whole "L-1 fear." L-1 is not a lynch. It is L-1. If somebody quickhammers then fine, they are scum, but me voting is not scummy.Mariyta wrote:Really really really really DO NOT LIKE AGM's vote on Plum. "Hey, I suddenly get it... but I still don't really get it... but I'll vote anyway. L-1 for the hammer!"
Ironically, if I had NOT voted Plum, I'm sure someone would have come in and said, "DERP DERP AGREEING WITH THE CASE BUT NO VOTE? WTF IS WITH THAT." Or something similar.-
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I am unsure of exactly how I am supposed to rhetorically qualify comprehension of an already-made argument. Previously, I did not understand the reason for lying as scum. I did think it was silly that you would forget (having modded the game, and all), but silly != scummy. Fate, however, pointed out that it would let you backpedal out of calling him town early. That seems like a significant enough motive to be worth lying about to me.Plum wrote:Agreeing with the case sudden-like with no clear understanding of why you suddenly changed your mind about it is worthy of more than a derp derp. With or without a vote. But yeah, the sudden L-1 vote doesn't make me feel any better about you.-
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You're right. My point is that 1) L-1 is not a lynch, so we can still give someone the ring and 2) there is no OBV-RINGWAGON (e.g., nobody on the ring VC is at L-1/2).Mariyta wrote:Right, but, and correct me if I'm wrong here, if we reach a lynch, but no one reaches an imbue "hammer", no one gets the ring.-
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Mina + MagnaofIllusion? God, the walls will be UNBEARABLE.
@gandalf - why is SpyreX town? Why is quadz08 not town?
Why?quadz wrote:AGM, your L-1 vote combined with imbuing somebody with no support whatsoever is BAD, as mentioned earlier by a couple of players. That in addition to the aforementioned lack of reading and general scummy feel I get from you means:-
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…you know, that's pretty absurd. So absurd it's ACTUALLY POSSIBLE.SpyreX wrote:There is no overlap. None. It is NOT a coincidence that everyone imbuing quadz isn't on the Plum wagon and I'm calling megateaparty on a Plum-scum flip. Mega.
Of course you are, VV. Of course you are. Wagon moarrrrrrrrrr, pl0x. What is your read on Mariyta?VV wrote:I'm all up for an AGM wagon.
vote: AGM
Well, obviously I'm inclined to think he is town, since he is reading me correctly instead of just stupidly yelling, "HERP DERP AGM IS SCUM" like everyone else is.VV wrote:@Everyone: Comments on SpyreX plx~!
@Gandalf - who are your top 3 picks for scum and your top pick for town?-
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L-1?
FFUUUU.
Guyz I am le town. All these argz are bad. There isn't even anything for me to say other than, "no, you're wrong."
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Given that, explain this:VV wrote:Mariyta reads like Town due to LOTR maf meta. That said, she needs to die ASAP due to WIFOM potential.VV wrote:??? This is so weird. Why shouldn't we take advantage of the imbue? Even from a statistics point of view, it is likelier that we'll get Town on the Ring. I don't think we should even be thinking about the consequences of imbuing scum at this stage because it's still D1. Assuming that this is a balanced game, it is the best time to pick Town to get the ring(Max results.) and the best time for scum to take the ring(won't instalose us the game.)Mariyta wrote:Unimbue Fuck it. No one gets my vote.-
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Actually, there is something I can say. And there's really no reason for me NOT to say it. Nothing that I can think of, anyway.
My superpower modconfirms me as town. Legit modconfirm, not like "teehee it causes this which causes this which strongly infers town." it is 100% legitimate, fresh, satisfaction or your money back modconfirmed town.
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As you can see, not incredibly. Which is why I wasn't that hesitant to claim my super.SpyreX wrote:AGM,
ONE more question.
Is your normal ability ACTUALLY useful?
Welllll my original SECRET TECH PLAN was to save until endgame and then come out of the woodwork and PWNZORZ scum as confirmed town and then use my ARISE FROM THE DEAD ability for DOUBLE PWNAGE after they NK'd me … but it seemed like that wasn't going to happen. In any case, since the primary function of my ability is to save myself from being mislynched, claiming it at a time when 1) I was facing imminent death and 2) we weren't really sure who to imbue seemed like a decent move.singersinger wrote:Though I'm curious as to why you would want to use it so soon, AGM. Was it because you were getting closer to a lynch? I really hope you choose wisely…
No, it's not neighborizer. The regular power is just I send A message to ONE person and they can't talk back. the super is equal to friendly neighbor.SpyreX wrote:Wait, NEIGHBORIZER? As in the people can talk to each other? Or they just get to know you are town?-
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Edge, I SERIOUSLY doubt super powers can be roleblocked. If they could, wouldn't that pretty much defeat their purpose entirely? Scum would choose to roleblock the person with the super EVERY. TIME.
In any case, even if they can't, my powers suck otherwise, so might as well make the scum burn their roleblock on me instead of people with legit abilities (which was what my suggestion in the beginning hinted at).-
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because my super power isn't that good EITHER, so if I was able to play a good town game without my super and eventually get NK'd without EVER needing the ring, that would have been optimal. unfortunately, that didn't happen, so I had to pull the failsafe.Edge wrote:What the fuck is this?
Why didn't you self-nominate then and say "I haz good super powers"-
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You are thinking about this all in terms of how YOU WOULD PLAY. You would want to be modconfirmed town so your ego could inflate to x10000 and you could run around confirmed for 2 days CAPSING at everyone. And nobody would be able to stop you because you'd be confirmed.
But that isn't actually OPTIMAL. Mod confirming yourself as town is relatively insignificant in my eyes. If I could have just come across as town in the first place, then I would never need my super. Somebody better could have gotten the ring, and I would have been NK'd/had good reads all on my own.
BUT OF COURSE YOU WOULDN'T THINK OF IT THAT WAY. ALL GLORY TO FATE. ALL THE TIME.-
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Because
1) it was clear good town game had already failed at that point.
2) I figured additional votes from Plum and the VV/VI-squad would be coming my way in the future for changing my mind because that's how they ALWAYS work. Oh look, that happened.
3) there was no good, clear wagon for the imbue, and I figured confirming myself as town when I was currently questionable sliding to scummy would be useful.
You can rage all you want. I've watched your scum and town play closely many times. You are wrong more often than not.-
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Ok, here is as clear of a claim as I can give without quoting my role PM. I thought my claim was clear before, but whatever.
REGULAR ABILITY: Andrius send a message with the contents of my choice to the player of my choice. The contents are not modconfirmed.
SUPER ABILITY: Andrius modconfirms me as town to two target players of my choice.
PASSIVE ABILITY: For the first day after I die, I can still vote and talk as if I was alive. I do not count towards the lynch threshold (e.g., if there were 7 players alive plus me, it takes 4 to lynch, not 5), but my vote DOES count towards the lynch.
That's it.
My power does not cause me to die. That is stemming from a simple typo where I said "my super does XXX" when I meant to say "my passive does XXX."
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I can be killed, it's just that my spirit sticks around for A DAY after my death and I can still talk/vote as if I were alive. Once a full day has past since my death, I'm 100% dead.quadz wrote:Confirmed town is, in fact, pretty powerful. Your passive ability is at least as powerful, especially if it comes with a vote, because you become a confirmed townie who CAN'T BE KILLED. :-
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Almost certainly. If his stance begins as "scum don't have superpowers," a stance he defended pretty staunchly and then switches to "scum have awesomesauce supers," something HAS to have occurred inbetween the two. That "something" was Edge suspecting me.Plum wrote:PREVIEW EDIT: @AGM - Did Gandalf sheep that thought process or not? In any case, the point is still valid.
Notice specifically that when Edge imbues me, gandalf imbues me too and doesn't mention the theory at all. He only constructs the theory when he needs a reason to sheep.
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VV is always wrong, so the fact that he thinks I am scum should automatically mean I am town.
That historically consistent theorem aside, the argument is bad because it presumes that town are ALWAYS reckless raging morons. Yes, I decided to triple-check the "hammer" vote. DOESN'T MEAN SCUM.
Also, to be honest, I wouldn't even be surprised if VV is making all of this up ex post facto and actually meant to throw the hammer.-
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There is no boat, it's just Edge yelling incessantly like he usually does and then the rest of the VI-brigade rushing to agree with him so they don't become his next victim.
VV, your arguments are just wrong. There is no real way to disprove them, but they are still wrong. When this game is over you can add another tally to the 1029419214935202 times you've been wrong in mafia before.-
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I don't get the hohum wagon at all. As far as I can remember, Mariyta was never that scummy - she just kept saying she would get around to posting (but never did). At the point where she's replacing out, that just equates to busy in my mind.
I've never played with hohum before. I completely agree that he's is being a total asshat, but I think I remember reading another game where he was like that too, so I don't see how it's a scumtell.-
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So what are you saying? That you are always act like a scummy moron and we should thus give you a free pass?gandalf5166 wrote:You know what I think is funny? Literally all the people who think I'm scum have hardly ever played with me(SpyreX is the only one who has even played with me at all, IIRC). Somehow I doubt that that's a coincidence.-
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Because I'm not scum and SpyreX-scum should be dependent on flipz. MasterSpy I am "meh" on in general, have to look at that a bit more.VV wrote:Why?
And serious business time, I don't mind RC and Fate not posting in the hydra put posting in the hydra and then PRETENDING TO BE THE OTHER ONE is waaaaaay too confusing. plz stop.-
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