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If you're saying that scum has to be proven by a case that includes multiple points, then I disagree.
For example, you have a reliable read based on meta that whenever a particular player does X, they're likely scum, then you observe that behavior on the first page.
Actually, I find that scum sometimes does something really obvious at the start of a game and then gradually appears more and more town as the game progresses because they explain away and fix their scummy behavior.-
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It depends. This is a slightly confusing to answer because it's about the specific instance of Papa Zito and also future actions. I mean, is it a theory question or a specific "in this instance" question?Rising wrote:
So if Papa comes up with a valid and sensible explanation, that would actuallyExcedrin wrote:I find that scum sometimes does something really obvious at the start of a game and then gradually appears more and more town as the game progresses because they explain away and fix their scummy behavior.reinforceyour opinion that he is scum?
In theory, if someone's valid and sensible explanation made more sense if they're scum, then yea, maybe it would reinforce my opinion. Maybe that's a bad example, but the point is, I can think of situations where something like what you're objecting to could happen.
I think that others have explained this, I objected to the idea that scum can't be found based on an early post or that, upon finding something scummy, people shouldn't vote because of it and try to draw attention to it because it's early in the game.Rising wrote: Setting up "screwed if you do, screwed if you don't"-traps isn't pro-town.
Scum sometimes does something scummy early. Town sometimes does something scummy early. Both will gradually appear to be town. Conclusion, ignore early scumtells. Is that it?Rising wrote: I actually agree with Excedrin that "scum sometimes does something really obvious at the start of a game and then gradually appears more and more town", but you know what? So does regular townies. And this is just as rational and easily observed in the forums. Therefore, this isn't a reliable way to hunt scum.
Others have explained my post, but I'm not sure if anyone has said that I don't consider the pattern:
1. appear to be scum
2. later, appear to be town based on explanations and/or improved behavior
to be a scumtell, since as you said, both scum and town can follow that pattern. If I did think that was worth looking for, I wouldn't be voting based on it yet; page 3 doesn't really qualify as "later".
Also, I meant "fix" as in, lets say, X is accused of not scumhunting on day 1, then on day 2 they scumhunt more. They've fixed their anti-town behavior.
Who said anything about "first non-random vote"? There are more reasons to vote than solely because a scumtell was spotted, right?Rising wrote:So: If this theory is valid, then it can be very easily tested by looking at earlier games you've played as town and checking whether or not your first non-random vote (=your first vote for someone who did something scummy) has been for actual scum or just regular townies.
An experiment to test this would be more like:
1. there's some early behavior that seems scummy (to someone? to a big chunk of the town? to a few players?)
2. the target of suspicion explains it away or improves their behavior
3. suspicion dies down
Then compare scum to town ratio or whatever. But really, what's the point? Scum hunting is subjective and situational and probably impossible to reduce to pure math.
Rising, what do you think about Papa Zito's post #40?
Could you explain your vote for Dry-fit? Were there some stated reasons that I missed?
Early bus never happens?sigma wrote: Anyone who says that they're sure that they've found scum on page 2 is lying -- or possibly scum trying to look like the stereotypical aggressive pro-town player.
Sarcasm can be scummy in some cases, especially if it's used to dismiss a case against oneself. I'm not sure if I can justify anything beyond that.Plum wrote:Or, explain, Excedrin, why the sarcasm indicates scumhood.
Contrary to Kmd4390, I don't have a strong opinion that Papa Zito is scum (yet). I am looking forward to more from Kmd4390.
I'm not sure why sigma (and Rising?) assumed that Kmd4390's goal was to attract votes and lynch Papa Zito. I read it the same way that Dry-Fit did. Votes and justification in the early game are often not as solid as they are later on, I don't really have a problem with reading Kmd4390's initial vote and reason as that.-
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Kmd4390 wrote:Excedrin seemed too quick to jump without having anything to add. Scum if Zito is town. Then again, he's new and Zito is probably scum, so I can see newbtown. Depends on Zito's alignment though.Kmd4390 wrote:Zito, Porkens is probably town and Excedrin is probably town too. Who do you find scummy?
I don't like the implications here that looks like:Kmd4390 wrote:There's nothing scummy about the votes on you either. Porkens clearly wanted a reaction. Excedrin is obviously a newer player and newer players tend to be either VERY opportunistic or VERY cautious.
1. one of Zito and Excedrin is scum
2. Porkens is probably town for wanting a reaction
3. Excedrin is noob (opportunistic scum) or town if Zito is scum
This looks like a trap because most I think that most noobs will probably say, "I'm not a noob." So, just to get it out of the way, I'm a noob to forums mafia, I've played less than 10 games. However, I've played slightly over 2500+ games on IRC with a 50% win rate.
Why isn't the part that applies to Porkens applicable to Excedrin? Why was the "Excedrin wanted a reaction" option left out?
Rising, what do you think? Does this look trappy to you or am I reaching?
More sarcasm? Please elaborate on how my 3rd vote or Porkens' 2nd vote was opportunistic. I'm fairly sure that there was zero chance of your actual lynch based only on Kmd4390's "case." If my vote was opportunistic, then were the people who didn't hop on your wagon overly cautious?Papa Zito wrote:If sarcasm = scum then game over, the whole site just lost.
Kast, I dislike your reason for withholding your vote. In your view, would stating a top suspect have the same negative effect of allowing scum to jump on wagons and blend easier while pushing a mislynch?
I'm not sure if you're unhelpful, but does being difficult to read count as being scummy?Rosso Carne wrote:being unhelpful is scummy.
youre unhelpful
Is this typical play (non-voting, extremely terse responses, etc) for Rosso Carne?
Anyway, it's better than Kast because Rosso at least has a stated hammah target.-
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Somewhat offtopic:
I played SC1 forever ago and picked up SC2 based on joining this game. But I'm horrible, I can kill Ur-Quan dreadnaughts in 3 shots, but because I took so long gathering minerals/bio data to buff my ship (while ignoring plot related stuff), some of the races are dead so I never met the bird looking guys and therefore probably can't beat the fight vs the space station... Soooo yea, need to start over.
Back on topic:
I haven't seen opportunism described as a town tell; if it's meant that way then Kmd4390 "trap" idea goes away. I don't think that Papa Zito means it that way, but he didn't propose the option between A) opportunistic noob and B) town if Zito is scum.
Did I say somewhere that I was voting you based on meta? My comment about meta was an example of a case where scum could be identified based on an early post, I said nothing about using meta to justify my Papa Zito vote or that I thought meta could frequently catch scum based on early posts. FTR, I voted you mainly for reaction. Am I correct that you view opportunism as scummy (in contrast with Kmd4390) in this instance?Papa Zito wrote:Yes, more sarcasm. How did my meta research turn out, BTW? Because I'm going to assume that, if you're going to vote someone because of the way they're posting, then you've done the research to back that up amirite?
I wouldn't call them overly cautious. I'd call them observant enough to avoid a crap wagon.
Anyway, to address your question, no, I obviously haven't read any Papa Zito games in order to establish a meta and I don't believe it was necessary to vote when I did for the reason I did. But, I'm not opposed to the idea of reading other games, it can only help right?
General question for anyone, is there an easy way to find a list of games that someone's played (preferably completed games)?-
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If he persists in looking scummy my read would be scum.Locke Lamora wrote:Excedrin: what would your read on Papa Zito be if he entirely failed to stop looking scummy?
I thought that his initial reasons and vote were intended to provoke and not totally serious. Solid in terms of backed by greater evidence and stronger reasoning etc. Kmd4390's reasoning since then is a bit stronger, Papa Zito doesn't seem to be scumhunting (but he's V/LA) and he's still sarcastic (except for when he talks about SC2).Locke Lamora wrote:Excedrin: do you think KMD isn't that serious with his vote and accusation? If you do think he's serious, what do you mean by 'solid'?
His post #74 has the same thing that KeelieRavenWolf objected to in Plum's 1st post.
Later everyone will be able to read day 1 and see that Rosso stated willing to hammer Kast, whereas Kast is generally suspicious of a number of players for a variety of reasons, none of them strong enough to vote or even state, "X is my top suspect." The contrast is between strong directed suspicion and a weak blanket of suspicion.Kast wrote:-Missed your previous post about disliking my lack of vote and claiming that Rosso's behavior is better than my own. Strongly disagree.
I've been sharing thoughts with explanations on multiple players throughout my posts. Nobody has jumped out as probably scum, so at this point I don't see any reason to place a vote yet.
Rosso has neither placed a votenor offered any thoughts. I can't fathom how saying he would like to hammer a player forabsolutely no reasoncan possibly be better than actually sharing thoughts and participating in the game.
Bold parts are untrue. RC has stated: Kast is scum, Papa Zito is unhelpful/scummy but probably because he's noob. He also has a reason but has refused to share it.
I see what you're saying here, but there are more playstyles than a sort of constant-mental-dump of the current tally of who is scum and who is town.
Seems like search is disabled.Kast wrote:-Dunno about an easy way to just see a list. You can click the player's profile and find all posts by that player, then jump around to different pages to find completed games.
Is there something scummy about Kmd4390's method of starting discussion?sigma wrote:re: Kmd4390
I wasn't a fan of the way in which he generated discussion
Does a modkill end the day?sigma wrote:I knew there was someone else that I was forgetting about. With no replacements, lurkers should be lynched.
What do you think about KeelieRavenWolf's reason for voting Plum? (guilty conscience based on Plum's 1st post)
KeelieRavenWolf's post #46 (only post aside from confirmation) seems to have been missed (Kmd4390 has commented on it), but it's a bad post. It's fluffy, says that despite early game being about "causing a scattered reaction to judge town or scum," treats Kmd4390's post as serious, then ignores it and votes Plum for joking randomvote.-
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I actually read some of his completed games, in his 1st game (ever, and as scum) he was very scummy, but that's to be expected. He's at least not that obvious now.Plum wrote:@Excedrin: Further thoughts on Zito as he's progressed through the game thus far? New impressions? Reinforced impressions?
In Mini 817 Papa Zito (town) was wagoned to L-2 very early. His reaction was basically, "so, I'm at L-2 on page 2" and then voted someone who wasn't on the wagon without stating reasons (at the time, he justified it well shortly afterwards) who later flipped scum. He was also (joke) voted for not RVS voting in his first post in this game.
I also read Boost 2 and /in-vitational 2 and his tone is often joking / sarcastic and his posts are typically brief. He is aware that voting without reasons can be OK to pressure someone, it seems odd that he'd be as bothered as he appears to be by Kmd4390's initial post and vote. It's starting to seem likely that he isn't actually bothered by it, and his responses are typically sarcastic regardless of align. So the only question is why isn't he scumhunting more (obviously right now he's V/LA, but aside from that)? Maybe he is and we'll see some good analysis when he catches up.-
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Your situation sounds stressful, maybe SpyreX could make an exception and find you a replacement?KeelieRavenWolf wrote:@ Sigma : How would it be possible for me to "Prove" to you that I shouldn't be lynched? You have no proof but my word, saying that I have two jobs, both nearing full-time status; on top of which I have one dead parent and two siblings who are minors and require my attention every so often. Forgive me if it seems I am "making things up", as I am not.
Of course, it is all on you to see I am telling the truth; if you still wish to vote me, feel free. It'll be on you're head when innocent blood is spilled.
From a game perspective, this is a good example of appeal to emotion. I'm not sure why you needed to go into so much detail with basically one vote on you. I mean, everyone has stuff going on in their lives, you chose to explain details instead of simply "Sorry, I've been very busy."-
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Hi Papa Zito, could you take a look at #163 and comment about Mini 817, does being the center of attention stop you from scumhunting?
Also, Dry-fit was in that game with you, what do you think about the cases against him in this game by sigma (#162), Kast (#168) and Rising (#65 maybe ignore this one since he admits it was a pressure vote in #152 and #166)?-
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Everyone has the ability to blow up the ship they're on, it's mentioned in the 1st post.Locke Lamora wrote:b) you've got ulterior motives in trying to get someone to pick you up. I'm leaning towards the latter because I just don't see why you would be given the option to simply blow a ship up that's of no use to you personally.
Agreed.Kast wrote:Dropping game setup information that does not point to a lynch or any vote leaders right before deadline is...distracting.
If Papa Zito is going to claim, does it make sense for him to claim his race only, ship only, or both? If he claims his own race only and it looks good, reduces suspicion etc, then is there any reason to reveal ship as well?
Since I don't know Porkens' ship's racial ability this is speculation, but it seems like his plan is a bad idea or it would have been better to do it without announcing it.
The act of retrieving a jettisoned player is a night action. Since Porkens will be floating around in space this night or on the start of day 2, is it possible to retrieve him as tonight's night action?-
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I don't like the inclusion of Dry-fit as someone with 2 votes since Rising has stated he's not behind a Dry-fit lynch.Kmd4390 wrote:Sigma, your Keelie vote is a lurker-pressure vote. Please place it on someone with at least two votes (Zito, Dry-fit, Kast). Locke, either push a case on me that will get 6 quickvotes (unlikely) or change your vote to Zito, Dry, or Kast. Dry, Sigma isn't going to be lynched. Change your vote. Jelly, same thing I said to Sigma. Rosso isn't going to be lynched. Choose on of Zito, Dry, and Kast.
There's basically only one vote for Dry-fit (Kast).
In effect, there's also 2 votes for Kast (Porkens and Rosso Carne).
It seems like there's not much consensus for a 2nd lynch choice, so I'm going to make this clear now:
Based on recent events, I think Porkens is town, so I'm willing to switch to Kast to prevent NL.
Fuck it,Unvote, Vote: Kast
I have reservations about Papa Zito lynch but I'm still willing to vote Papa Zito to avoid NL. I'm also willing to vote for sigma.-
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I miswrote, if this Kast wagon is going nowhere I'm willing to move my vote back to Papa Zito or to sigma.Kast wrote:
There was 4 on Zito, with myself and Sigma both indicating preference for Zito over no lynch. That is a viable lynch. Please explain how switching to Kast prevents a NL?Based on recent events, I think Porkens is town, so I'm willing to switch to Kast to prevent NL.
Lets put it this way, how many scum are on Papa Zito's wagon right now? I thought about that and decided that I'm much happier on the Kast wagon.
Papa Zito is my 3rd preference though I have reservations about his lynch. Consider my vote still on him if you like. If he's at 6 votes I'll hammer.
That's not the only reason. I think Kast is likely scum.Plum wrote:And if your only reason from switching from Zito, whom you had at least a little case on, to Kast is simply because Porkens is voting Kast and you believe Porkens to be probtown.-
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I don't like the implication that because Papa Zito has 4 votes and Kast has 1 vote, the choice is between Papa Zito and Dry-fit. So, I considered simply stating that I'm willing to vote Kast, but after reflection I decided that I should vote whoever I think is scummiest.
Since Rosso's vote is invisible, there's 3 on Kast, with Kmd4390 possibly willing to vote Kast.
I didn't like the false dilemma set up by Kmd4390 in his post, that's why I quoted it before failing to explain my unusual behavior.-
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1. Kast seems to have dropped a lot of minor "I like your post, good job!" pats on the back to a lot of people (to me #42, Plum #53, Sigma #102, KeelieRavenWolf #137, Locke Lamora #173, and even Rising (multiple cases of "Rising is a townie-just bad at logic" #102, #120, #140, #143 etc)) looks like buddying.Porkens wrote:Why?
2. Kast has spent far too much time/energy/words arguing with Rising over a "who cares?" kind of point
3. Dry-fit looked like an easy target considering Rising and sigma had posted suspicion of him before Kast posted his:
Extremely weak "well, I guess I'll vote here, maybe he's scum." Really? Tone is good enough after all the BS you've spewed about logic? Alright then.Kast wrote:#168
This isn't extremely strong, but I think it's the clearest thing I've seen so far and is sufficient for a vote. It is less ideal since two others have expressed suspicion of Dry-Fit (although Rising also kinda jumped on leads I dropped). This also wasn't exactly a trap set for Dry-fit specifically; I think he could easily have responded with similar content but changed his tone and I would probably be fine with it. His tone makes me suspect the response that he did give.
4. It's OK to not have a clear top suspect on day 1, but that Kast has weighed in with so many "neutral/slightly scummy" kinds of reads seems like an attempt to avoid scrutiny after a mislynch. His lack of a vote seems very different to me from Rosso Carne's lack of a vote, as I stated in #148.-
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Already stated, I miswrote. I believe that you were aware of my post #242 when you posted this since you were clearly aware of post #244 and post #245. So, why are you acting like that's the only reason I stated?Kast wrote:-Avoiding a no lynch by dropping the vote leader to 1 less vote (Excedrin).Kast wrote:You like to count Rosso's "invisible" vote, yet you choose to discount Rising's actual vote and Sigma's "invisible" vote.
This is why I discount Rising's actual vote. This is why I believe the choice between Dry-fit and Papa Zito is a false dilemma.Rising wrote:#167
I'm eager again, at the moment, just so you know (and so you won't speculate about this in the future). I won't have Dry-fit as the lynch for today.-
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Papa Zito, did you miss my post #237 where I unvoted and voted for Kast or did I screw something up so that my vote somehow doesn't count?
This is blatant misrepresentation.Kast wrote:refusing to vote and insisting on only hammering a randomly selected player but refusing to do anything to get others to vote for that player or try to determine if that player is scum.Kast wrote:
-Has this been at expense of not participating in other capacities?Excedrin wrote:2. Kast has spent far too much time/energy/words arguing with Rising over a "who cares?" kind of point
-How is this indicative of alignment?
So, Porkens/Excedrin duo has had undue control of discussion and that's scummy. But Kast/Rising duo has posted huge pointless discussions that prevent and derail discussion and that's not scummy?Kast wrote:It is unfortunate that the town as a whole is not active enough that the Porkens/Excedrin duo has had undue control of discussion by virtue of placing weak/reasonless votes that they undoubtedly will not be held accountable for.
What? Are you intentionally trying to confuse?Kast wrote:-Okay, then I'll move you from 1 bad reason to no reason at all. It is telling that instead of showing another reason, you just complain that your reason to not lynch me should be ignored.
sigma has voted for a lurker. He's stated that he will continue to research Papa Zito and Dry-fit. He has not stated willingness to vote beyond that.Kast wrote:-Why do you ignore Sigma's stated intention to vote?
According to you, I have no reasons to vote you, so I'm not sure what your main counterpoint is.Kast wrote: -Why do you ignore my main counterpoint?-
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You interpret this as "will not" vs actual meaning of "I'm currently not voting." I can be certain of Rosso's actual meaning here because, to hammer, he has to vote, and he has stated that he will vote for you. It's in scumKast's favor to plant this misconception, I'm not sure why townKast would do this.Kast wrote:
Point out what is misrepresented.Excedrin wrote:
This is blatant misrepresentation.Kast wrote:refusing to vote and insisting on only hammering a randomly selected player but refusing to do anything to get others to vote for that player or try to determine if that player is scum.
He will not vote for anyone.In that post he gave a reason.
In this post he says he won't share his reason(s). That's not the same as random.Kast wrote:equivalent to no reason (colloquially a "random" player).Question asked was "Ready to reveal yet?" and his answer was "nah." How can you go from "nah" to the BS you said?
You assume that because he hasn't responded with a HUGE POST like this one, that he's "refusing to try."
Alright, it was unfortunate. I guess it was an unfortunate-tell. Fortunately, your reaction to my vote are to support the false dilemma that I originally objected to and to repeat "no reasons" which is absurd(ly scummy).Kast wrote:
Porkens+Excedrin's votes determined Zito as a candidate to be lynched. Now you are attempting to make Kast another candidate immediately prior to deadline withExcedrin wrote:Kast wrote:
-Has this been at expense of not participating in other capacities?Excedrin wrote:2. Kast has spent far too much time/energy/words arguing with Rising over a "who cares?" kind of point
-How is this indicative of alignment?
So, Porkens/Excedrin duo has had undue control of discussion and that's scummy. But Kast/Rising duo has posted huge pointless discussions that prevent and derail discussion and that's not scummy?Kast wrote:It is unfortunate that the town as a whole is not active enough that the Porkens/Excedrin duo has had undue control of discussion by virtue of placing weak/reasonless votes that they undoubtedly will not be held accountable for.no reasons. Two players determining both lynch candidates is undue control. You are blatantly misrepresenting when you claim that I labelled that as scummy. I labelled it as unfortunate; it is a bad idea for town to let that happen. It is much more a failing of the town than anything either of you did.
Why would you knowingly post huge posts (that aren't useful anyway) that nobody's going to read? You definitely knew that some of your posts were "non-essential" (aka: does nothing to find scum).Kast wrote:Kast/Rising posting walls of text that other players chose to not read derails discussion how? Despite the walls of text, remind me which players have been actively engaging others and drawing them back into the game and while raising new points to consider and analyzing the information available and the responses of other players.
Plum pointed this out in #119 and you replied:Kast wrote:#120
-Yes, I do get easily sidetracked in non-essential arguments. I don't think it detracts from me looking at other players.
Both posts came before #143 and #147. which each inspired huge responses from Rising.Kast wrote:#135
I'm debating you because I enjoy arguing...
Your discussion with Rising contributed to town's unfortunate lack of posting. You knew that your sidetrack in a non-essential argument would lead nowhere despite taking effort to attempt to wade thru (nevermind replying). That is how it's indicative of alignment.
You spent a lot of words to come up with "Rising is town."
I can see how you'd think that. But Rosso Carne is just terse. Your method of discouraging discussion is subtler and you can later point at it and say, "look at how active I've been."Kast wrote:You can contrast with Rosso who says players should not discuss or give reasons for anything. Rosso actually discourages discussion.
Are you admitting that you intend to confuse?Kast wrote:
To be clear, does this mean you haveExcedrin wrote:
What? Are you intentionally trying to confuse?Kast wrote:-Okay, then I'll move you from 1 bad reason tono reasonat all. It is telling that instead of showing another reason, you just complain that your reason to not lynch me should be ignored.no reasonsto provide?
Your "no reasons" mantra is relaxing.
Lets have a closer look at sigma, then you can elaborate how he's supported both Zito AND Dry-fit lynches today.Kast wrote:
False. Sigma has been a supporter of Zito AND Dry-Fit as lynch candidates for most of the day. In the post you quoted, he clearly states that he agrees with kmd and will vote pick between Zito and Dry-Fit. His research is to decide which of those two is better to lynch.Excedrin wrote:sigma has voted for a lurker. He's stated that he will continue to research Papa Zito and Dry-fit. He has not stated willingness to vote beyond that.
sigma's votes with reasons:
#21 Dry-fit: RVS
#33 Kmd4390: found scum on page 2, too early
#91 Porkens: didn't answer question/lurking
#93 Locke Lamora: questions / no opinions
#142 KeelieRavenWolf: lurking
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After a few pages, I'm beginning to come around a little bit on KMD's argument on Zito.sigma wrote:#144
KMD has made a valid point about Zito's lack of scum-hunting which I agree with. His earlier arguments were instigating. I've already said I disagreed with that somewhat, and that's as good a reason as any to vote that early. So, 'I'm coming around' mainly refers to the lack of scumhunting pointed out by KMD.
I contend that sigma has also stated no strong opinions on anyone who's actually playing. I can't find any statement by sigma like, "I'm willing to lynch X" except for his statement to lynch KeelieRavenWolf for lurking.sigma wrote:#162
I'm a little concerned about dry-fit. Here's what he's done so far:
1. Scumhunting/attacking me.
2. Defend himself from Rising attacks.
3. Respond to Kast questioning.
I have an obvious bias because he's voting me, and I'd like to get others' reads on Dry-fit -- any takers?
My eyes glazed over long ago. I have no idea what you're saying here. Is anyone else reading this far?Kast wrote:
It is not a counterpoint to a reason for voting me, so your argument is invalid. It is a counterpoint to your inaccurate representation of the game state with respect to which players are valid candidates for being lynched.Excedrin wrote:
According to you, I have no reasons to vote you, so I'm not sure what your main counterpoint is.Kast wrote: -Why do you ignore my main counterpoint?
My position hasn't been inconsistent. I voted Papa Zito pretty early and when I switched to you I stated that I'm still willing to change my vote in order to lynch Papa Zito (or sigma).Kast wrote:Altogether, there are 5(6 counting you but your position has been inconsistent) players willing to lynch Zito, 3 players willing to lynch Dry-Fit, and 3 players willing to lynch Kast. Everyone except for Rosso appears willing to lynch anyone rather than no lynch.
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That sounds like SCIENCE, please elaborate on this.Kast wrote:In general you are being very inconsistent and exhibiting signs ofconfirmation bias.
Where did Rosso Carne state that anyone else should play like him? Why do you continue to misrepresent him?Kast wrote:given that [Rosso Carne] directly stated that players should NOT share or discuss reasons and should JUST vote, that seems impossible to rationally deny
Posting lots of words is not generating a great deal of discussion.Kast wrote:(8)-To be clear, we agree that discouraging discussion is anti-town. That said, please explain how you determined that my posts have discouraged discussion.
I strongly disagree and believe that the posting record reflects that I have generated a great deal of discussion, probably more than any other player. While there may be some players who dislike reading through long posts, and some players who are discouraged to see multiple pages of posts to go through, I think it is a huge misrepresentation to claim that this effect has been greater or even anywhere near the amount of game relevant discussion that I have generated by directly engaging other players, pushing other players to share their thoughts, sharing my thoughts, and providing information and analysis of all game related points thus far.
Already shared reasons.Kast wrote:(9)-To be clear, no I am not intending to confuse. It looks like your confusion results from your attempt to avoid my point. Please address it now. If you have a reason FOR thinking I am scum, please share it.
1. buddying
2. knowingly derailing the thread
3. extremely weak case on Dry-fit
4. weakly held opinions / suspicions
5. dismissive response to my case "no reasons"/"negative reasons", "confirmation bias", etc
The posts that I quoted indicate weakly stated suspicions, vaguely hinting that someone might be cause for "concern" is scummy.Kast wrote:(10)-lol english, was re: sigma's posts
Ah, I understand now. Your opinion is: a vote without reasons stated in that post means that the player voting had no reasons. Ok, good luck with that.Kast wrote:(11)-Your response to my response fallaciously combines two independent and separate points as though they are the same.
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lolwutKast wrote:-If a player says they have a reason to vote and the reason is actually a reason to NOT vote, then that is NOT a reason. (Exc)
It's impossible to prove some hypothetical scenario that people would have posted less or more if your posts didn't exist, so yea, I have no interest in this. Asking this is more derailing.Kast wrote:-So to be clear, you are not interested in seeing whether people actually posted more (overall were encouraged) as a result of my posts and don't care to defend your claim that people posted less (overall were discouraged) as a result of my posts?
1) I'm not vaguely hinting at anything, sigma is probably scum. sigma should be lynched.Kast wrote:Your response here vaguely hints that Sigma is scummy. From your PoV, you are knowingly engaging in what you define as scummy behavior. Why are you doing this? Please be consistent
2) I'm not inconsistent. Apparently you assume that because I haven't posted my thoughts about every other player in the game, I haven't applied the same criteria to them that I have to you. That is a mistaken assumption.
FTR, I've read everything he's posted. A lot of it is overly verbose.Papa Zito wrote:Kast writes a lot but to dismiss what he's saying as tl;dr is terrible.
These are not chronological:Locke Lamora wrote:I'm particularly dubious of Excedrin's willingness to follow [Porkens'] suspicions.- Rosso Carne posted his desire to hammer Kast.
- some players asked for reasons, he didn't provide them
- I looked at Kast in more detail to attempt to figure out for myself what Rosso Carne saw
- Porkens revealed his info and plan and voted for Kast
- Kmd4390 urged people to vote for 3 options
- Kmd4390 dropped one option (Kast) while saying he's willing to vote Kast if it's role related.
- I objected to the false dilemma of Papa Zito or Dry-fit and voted Kast because:
- there's merit to Rosso Carne's suspicion of Kast that anyone can find by reading
- I don't like the Papa Zito wagon
- The vote count will now more accurately reflect Day 1 lynch possibilities, except that Rosso Carne's vote is invisible
- there's merit to Rosso Carne's suspicion of Kast that anyone can find by reading
Papa Zito, note that your reason to lynch Locke Lamora applies to sigma. Also note that sigma's old suspicion of Locke Lamora (from #93) seems to have returned after your post #249.
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Ah I didn't read the question in #272 as directed at me. Papa Zito said that Locke Lamora appeared to understand Papa Zito's stance for most of the game but then "allowed himself to be "convinced" to vote me." I'm asserting that your agreement with Kmd4390's assertion that Papa Zito wasn't scumhunting is the same sort of thing.
What about Kmd4390's argument that you liked back in #130?sigma wrote:I still haven't seen a good case for Zito other than that he's the vote leader at this point. Zito is not a good choice for a lynch. Where's the case?
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This is a reasonable point. I'd bet it's more like 1.37 not-town in that set. Maybe 2 if you don't mind the distinction between scum and not-town. How many do you think? If I said the line for not-town was 1.5, would you take over or under?Plum wrote:Are you trying to imply that it's likely that two or three out of {Plum, Kmd4390, Locke Lamora} are scum? Well, a quick read of you in iso shows that you've been fairly neutral towards Kmd, same with me, and also Locke, whereas for almost the whole game you've been on Zito for an early-game reason later reinforced by a meta read. Things don't line up here. I don't understand what reservations you have with a Zito lynch or how you developed said reservations mentioned in your Post #242.
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No point in talking about those 3 players right now. Consider post #297 to be Excedrin-is-a-moron post number 2 (or 23 or whatever)). Good answer though.
I'm not sure if "scum-driven" is the right choice of words. I started to think that Papa Zito was town and didn't like posts like #172 and #173Plum wrote:Why did you think that wagon was so likely scum-driven?
KeelieRavenWolf wagon sucks because she's almost certainly town. KeelieRavenWolf vs Papa Zito is another false dilemma. Look at the people on that wagon (Porkens, sigma, Papa Zito, Plum), and consider that I've been accused of following Porkens. sigma is anti-lurker, Papa Zito is mashing his ESC key and hoping he has enough fuel and Plum has stated opposition to policy lynches. Not sure what to make of that. Oh yea, I'll prob be joining you tomorrow, hooray for hypocrisy!Plum wrote:What do you say to Keelie and the new-borne wagon on her?
I guess it's time to abandon all hope (not that I had much) of a KeelieRavenWolf replacement. After my d1 Kast lynch hopes have been shattered... I'm going to need another beer 4 sho.
I guess that you agree with me?Plum wrote:#159
Jelly, for goodness' sake SHOW UP. Though I dislike Sigma's willingness to turn and lynch lurkers at this point. I generally avoid policy lynches because I still find that going after actual scummy players is better for the Town.
If only Papa Zito would have posted #249 back when he posted #181 right?Plum wrote:#159
Yes. From what I've heard about Zito, he's a pretty decent player. Not the sort whose suspicions basically boil down to "OMGUS, and yes that's a legit scumtell because the early-stage votes are on me, a Townie". hat is lack of scumhunting or interest in scumhunting and that's a major effective scumtell in my book.
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Doesn't everyone want to lynch scum?Kmd4390 wrote:Excedrin, why do you think I want to lynch Kast?
I don't think you necessarily "want to lynch"; I said "willing to lynch" based on the following:Kmd4390 wrote:#188
If it's role-related, I'm more than happy to switch to KastKmd4390 wrote:#190
If Porkens comes in with info on Kast, I'm willing to follow.
The vote count was deceptive since:Kmd4390 wrote:And what false dillema did I set up? I looked at the vote count and told anyone not voting or voting alone to change their vote. It's common sense with a deadline coming up.
Rising has his vote on Dry-fit but doesn't want Dry-fit lynched
Rosso Carne doesn't have his vote on Kast but does want Kast lynched
Ok, I've explained that in effect he had 2 votes despite what the vote count shows and likewise Dry-fit had 1. I suppose that technically, what the vote count showed is the absolute truth since if Rising and Rosso Carne don't post again that's how it will be at deadline, but I thought it was worth pointing out.Kmd4390 wrote:Excedrin, I dropped Kast from the list of possible lynches because he only had one vote. Obviously, if Porkens had role-related info on him (I didn't expect him to btw), I'd have been willing to run him up.
Is this a theory question? In theory, a player could be a daycop/mason/similar, then it doesn't matter how many times they've posted.sigma wrote:How can you possibly get an 'Almost Certain Town' read on someone who's posted 5 times?
In KeelieRavenWolf's specific case, my read is more about how people have reacted to her posts (and lack of posts) than what she's said. Call it gut, I'm probably not going to be able to pull out specific instances of things that seem obvtown from KeelieRavenWolf in this case.
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I don't think she's pro-town. She's hardly playing, posted blatant AtE and a fluffy 1st post serious vote. It's mostly that she's an extremely easy/safe lynch target. It's like your questions to Kast seem to indicate, we learn little from this lynch.Locke Lamora wrote:can you at least give us some examples of how people have reacted to KRW that give you that pro-town read?-
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Is "my support for this lynch probably won't be scrutinized very much if KeelieRavenWolf is town" an anti-town manner or reason?Kast wrote:@Excedrin-
To be clear:
You are saying that you think KRW is almost certainly town, not because she herself has been pro-town, but because the people voting her are doing so in a very anti-town manner or doing so for anti-town reasons?
Is being pro-town ever enough to decide that someone is actually town or not?
I'm not sure. As I said, it'd be difficult to dig thru my subconscious and turn a lot of vague insubstantial stuff into something solid. I certainly don't have a breakdown of how each player's utility and lynch information compares.
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Kast, yea, agree with everything you said in 314. Also agree with "I think the outrage against KRW..." bit in your prev post.
Semi-related, I finished the game the other day, Papa Zito is correct that Mmrnmhrm isn't encountered in story mode (at least, I never found them). Since at some point they merge with another race into a new race blah blah.... it's flavor, her claim seems believable to me. It's at least as good as Papa Zito's.
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The Ur-Quan go exploring and find this race, the Dnyarri, that enslaves the Ur-Quan via mind control, then they use the Ur-Quan to enslave or kill all the rest of the sentient races. The Ur-Quan finally figure out how to kill the Dynarri and afterwards they decide that, to avoid being enslaved again, they should enslave all other races. There's another branch of Ur-Quan (Kor-Ah) who think that they should kill all other races. So since the 1st group is like "well, maybe we're wrong" they allow the Kor-Ah to exist and have this conflict.
So when the Ur-Quan enslaves a race, the slave race either becomes a "battle thrall" or "fallow slave." The 1st case, they help the Ur-Quan explore space and enslave any other races they find and 2nd case they put up an impenetrable force shield (the slave shield) around the race's home planet and strip them of technology (and possibly history/culture).
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sigma, that depends, if the options were between:
A: potentially scum, claimed town
B: pro-town, claimed survivor
then I'd prefer lynching A (presuming that I didn't agree with whatever reason people had for lynching B).
In this case we have two players who are slightly scummy and have weak cases against them, choosing between policy and "seems like he usually scumhunts more" isn't a tough decision, it doesn't really matter which one is lynched.
It's possible to speculate that the bit where Papa Zito noticed KeelieRavenWolf mentioned survival 3 times in one post is a case of scum trying to convince people that she's survivor to save himself.
There's really nothing left to discuss at this point. Speculating about claims and flavor seems pointless to me.
Vote: KeelieRavenWolf
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Everyone who's town should attempt to pick up jettisoned players (it's mentioned in the 1st post that if A, B, C all attempt to pick up D, then one of A,B,C randomly succeeds).Rising wrote:Everybody else; should we discuss openly which one of us should pick up these pilots? Not knowing would make it tougher for scum to target the right ship, but we cannot risk loosing pilots because everyone thought someone else would pick 'em up.
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sigma's claim is believable to me, I have no doubt that 2 instances of town guys on bad guy ships is possible, because Rosso Carne is on a red ship.
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Lulz, confirmed. (Not commenting on strikethru part, stop role/ability fishing).Papa Zito wrote:- Kast is Pkunk
- Excedrin is a really big idiot. I don't see how that proves what he is either/or.Apparently he can investigate?
I thought they insult themselves for that reason. Anyway, what I know of Kast's ability fits.Papa Zito wrote:The Pkunk insult their targets because, being such cosmically wonderful and happy creatures, they have to work themselves up to fight anyone. The in-game effect is that insults are how they recharge their ship's energy.
Agreed. I'm not certain what Kast's ability does, but I know that the flavor indicates that he is definitely Pkunk.Kast wrote:My target receives mod confirmation of both flavor and function. The flavor alone is enough to confirm my race (and therefore my affiliation). From a mafia game mechanic PoV, it also suggests itself as a townie power since it reveals me to my target, inherently drawing attention.
If you use the Thraddash ship in super-melee, the afterburner can be used to evade stuff. So flavor regarding sigma seems reasonable.
There's probably a lot of possible explanations (including sigma nokill), but we have 4 players who haven't posted yet.Kmd4390 wrote:b) It's fair to wonder where it went, but the WIFOM that you may have submitted no kill is still there.
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Why doesn't this apply to Porkens too?Porkens wrote:Sigma could be scum-gambiting here, in order to be picked up by a town or by his scumbuddies. I fully believe that he has *some* ability to interact with his ship-mates.
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Dry-fit, did you do anything or learn anything from night?
Is it bad to ask for a full claim here?
Since you're VUX and you're on a VUX ship, you can use racial abilities, lots of speculation possible here.
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Kast's actions prev night confirm to me that he's Pkunk. There's something unrelated to Kast's ability that I haven't revealed that doubly confirms that he is Pkunk. If it's possible, I'd rather not reveal it at all.Kmd4390 wrote:Wait, that's investigate, not flip. So you could actually be a miller. Does your Role PM specifically say that you are a miller?
Meh. I doubt scum would come out this easily.
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The context of that was that someone said, "You expect us to believe that there's 2?"Plum wrote:
Why does one - that you know of another on a red-text ship - indicate that multiple Townies-on-scumships are possible.Excedrin wrote:sigma's claim is believable to me, I have no doubt that 2 instances of town guys on bad guy ships is possible, because Rosso Carne is on a red ship.
It's possible that sigma or Porkens is scum who jettisoned to try to get onto a ship with Alliance players. The motivation they've stated for their actions could be an Alliance motivation. I think that applies to sigma slightly more than it does to Porkens, after considering sigma's race and ability claim.
Dry-fit claimed his Hierarchy race and ship strangely (because of circumstances), but it's alsopossiblethat he's town. (Didn't know about Dry-fit when I wrote the previous quote, but it adds to the sample.)
There may be other alliance players who are on Hierarchy ships who didn't think that it was a good idea to jettison like Porkens. It's possible that Rosso Carne is in this category, but I believe it's unlikely due to info that I haven't revealed. If Rosso Carne is going to be modkilled, then there's no reason to reveal it.
As a note, I think that if there's around 5 red ships, then they're almost all accounted for.
They'll die unless someone picks them up during the next night. Kast says it's possibly a bad idea to pick them up, I follow his reasoning but I'm undecided. If sigma isn't lying about his claim, then he can confirm anyone who picks him up. If he is lying, he probably takes over their ship and/or kills them, but won't that be obvious?Plum wrote:But I doubt even three Townies started out on red-text ships, including any possible Miller, so I want to lynch him first hopefully see about Porkens and sigma tomorrow if they haven't asphyxiated or anything.-
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Rising, all the logic if A and B blah blah really obscures stuff after a while, I think this might be the bit that you're missing:
Kast wrote:#439
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You're aware of sigma's claimed race and ability right?
1) sigma may be lying about his race and ability, but may have an ability that interacts with players on the same ship
2) sigma may be telling the truth about his race and ability
If either of those is true, then there's an ability that interacts with players on the same ship. If there's at least one instance of that, then it's possible that someone with Hierarchy alignment has a similar ability with unknown negative effects.
Even disregarding sigma's claimed ability, that there's a mechanic for jettisoning and picking up players implies that abilities that interact with shipmates exist. So, if there's a Hierarchy aligned player with abilities like that, then jettisoning and trying to get picked up might be a good gambit (I'm not sure how else a Hierarchy aligned player could get on an Alliance aligned player's ship).
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It seems unlikely that Dry-fit would claim as he did if he was scum. Based on flavor, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a non-Alliance win condition or if his win condition changes based on day or some game event. That, combined with his inactivity on day 2 makes him an OK 2nd choice.
That said, I want Rosso Carne lynched far more than I want anyone else lynched. If ending the day before deadline results in Dry-fit lynch and Rosso Carne modkill, I'd be OK with switching to Dry-fit.
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Lack of ship destruction (aside from 2 who jettisoned) combined with Dry-Fit's claim is weird (why wouldn't he kill if he was scum? WIFOM, but I still don't know why). Obviously there's stuff that could explain that (for example, he may have targetted sigma (or Porkens but that's unlikely since everyone knew Porkens was planning on jettisoning)).
If he's telling the truth about his role and ship, it might reveal some information about how scum kill (destroy ship first). I agree with what he said in #535 regarding jettison.
That he didn't roleblock when he could have seems horrible from a strategy point of view, not wanting to use energy is a bad excuse when he wouldn't know (as town) if he's going to live thru the night. It seems possible that he didn't block because he didn't want to clear anyone.
It bugs me that with his "I couldn't post because I was busy" excuse (which is usually OK), he apparently split immediately after his post #468 and couldn't answer my questions in #469 that I posted 5 minutes after. I mean, it's possible that he posted and left but kinda sucks either way. I'm treating that as null.
So yea, if we get 2 for 1, I'll hammer Dry-Fit, if not, then I'd be ok with lynching RC and leaving Dry-fit alive, possibly with a publicly chosen vig or roleblock target.
Since we're getting close to the end of the day: Kast, excluding Dry-fit and Rosso Carne, who's your 3rd suspect? If you don't want to answer this, it's fine. Also, I realized why I was uncertain about your ability (effectsareknown to target, but can you imagine a case where, in a more traditional theme game, something like your ability might behave differently than expected?). Also, take a 2nd look at post #425 if I don't make it thru night.-
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Alright, I'm captain FipPat, Zoq-Fot-Pik and I'm on an Umgah Drone. Flavor says that the Ur-Quan and Kor-Ah have destroyed most of my colonies and now my home world is in danger, even the Frungy tournaments are cancelled so I stole a ship and headed out to help end it.
Captain FipPat has an ability to scan and get ship blueprints. The Umgah Drone started with 2 units of energy. It has 2 abilities, one is a racial ability that allows someone to send anonymous messages to anyone in the game (Umgah hyperwave broadcaster). The other is an antimatter cone that nullifies actions taken by the target. Each ability costs 1 energy per use.
On night 1, I scanned and nullified Rosso Carne, I was also targetted by Kast, I knew that Kast wasn't Umgah because I have the Umgah hyperwave broadcaster. I was confused about Kast's ability because I lost one unit of energy and I got the result of what RC's ship was. That there was no kill and I nullified RC made me suspect that he was hierarchy.
On night 2, I scanned Kmd4390 and attempted to nullify Locke Lamora, but I had zero energy so the nullify didn't happen. Scan result said I found an Ur-Quan Dreadnought.
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Uh, no, I'm Zoq-Fot-Pik (alliance) on an Umgah (hierarchy) ship.Kast wrote: -Excedrin claimed Umgah (Hierarchy).
Given this pilot in this ship, I have:Kast wrote: I'm also a bit confused by Excedrin's claim. He says the Hyperwave Broadcaster lets him send an anonymous message to anyone and nullify, but then he says he has an ability to scan and nullify.
-Is the scanning supposed to be equivalent to the communicating?
-I don't see anything in the claim explaining why Excedrin can use 2 active abilities in 1 night. Why is this possible?
-It also sounds like he is claiming to think that my ability let him use his two abilities with only 1 energy cost. Is this what you are trying to say?
1. pilot ability (scan)
2. ship ability (nullify)
3. racial ship ability (broadcast) (that I can't use)
scan doesn't use energy. nullify and broadcast each use 1 energy.
On night 1, I got a scan result and a nullify result (I assume that, because I lost energy, nullify worked). This is why I was confused about your roleblock ability, because I expected no results. Flavor for the reason why I was not blocked was due to the simplicity of my ship. After night one I had 1 unit of energy left.
On night 2, I got a scan result only, pm says I went to nullify and noticed no energy.
nullify is related to the anti-matter cone. It's not related to the broadcaster at all.
If nobody else targetted Kmd4390, I'm not sure what explains his claimed result of +3 energy. My scan should have given him zero energy since it doesn't use energy.
I picked LL for block because you were presumably not going to block him. I didn't want to block the same target, that was based on how I read your response to my question regarding your 3rd suspect.Kast wrote: -Why did you pick your claimed night targets?
I knew what RC's ship was too, there's not much point in saying it now. I didn't reveal it yesterday because I expected RC to explain instead of not showing up at all.Kast wrote: -Why do you claim to know what KMD's ship is, but you only told us that RC's ship was red?-
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First, I decided what I wanted to do, then I sent a pm to SpyreX.Kast wrote:Okay, my mistake. I misread your claim. So you are claiming 1 Active Pilot Ability and 2 Active Ship Abilities. You claim you used 2 abilities per night. How is this possible?
Flavor for your ability was that it made me very mad, but that, due to simple ship, it didn't interfere with my results, I surmised that your ability was probably a roleblock.Kast wrote:-If you really didn't use a racial ability (hyperwave broadcaster), then you would not have been informed that I have a roleblocking ability. You would also not be informed any flavor on why my blocking did not affect you.
Apparently you didn't realize that my roleblock only works on Racial Abilities (perhaps N1 you only used a racial ability?)
I used 2 actions and got 2 results:
1. scan, result: Rosso Carne is on a red Yehat Terminator
2. nullify, result: -1 energy-
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Ah, I also thought that it was probably due to being a role blocker (nullify is basically roleblock) myself. I'm used to mechanics where role blockers are block immune, and I tried to hint at that in previous day here:Excedrin wrote:Flavor for your ability was that it made me very mad, but that, due to simple ship, it didn't interfere with my results, I surmised that your ability was probably a roleblock.Excedrin wrote:#544
Also, I realized why I was uncertain about your ability (effects are known to target, but can you imagine a case where, in a more traditional theme game, something like your ability might behave differently than expected?)-
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Kast claimed to have targeted Locke Lamora, I'd expect a suicide ability would be a racial ability. So, Kast's claimed insult-and-block racial abilities should have prevented this.Papa Zito wrote:
I suspect our Shofixti friend used his Glory Device.Kmd4390 wrote:What the hell did scum do that uses 3 units?!?-
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minor correction, not that important, but just to keep flavor accurate. Also I have no idea why ZFP should be able to scan ships from a flavor point of view.Papa Zito wrote:Excedrin
- has claimed Zoq-Fot-Pik. The ZFP can scan ships and get blueprints.
- has claimed an Umgah Drone. The claimed Umgah Drone can use its Caster to send messages andanti-matter conetoRBnullifytargetsplayers (it can be used to stop a player's action even if they're not the pilot of a ship).-
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I'm speculating that a non-Shofixti on a Shofixti ship wouldn't be able to trigger suicide bomb.SpyreX wrote:Ships may possess:
P.) Passive abilities - These abilities require no choice and are always in use.
A.) Active abilities - You may choose one of these in a cycle. Each active ability is either (N)ight Action, (D)ay Action or an (A)any time action. Every Active ability a ship possesses has an energy value. You must have this much energy to perform the action.
R) Racial Abilities - These abilities are only active if you are the same race as the ship you are on. They may be A or P and follow the rules for them as detailed above.-
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You're wrong about this. You can use 1 pilot ability per night and 1 ship ability per night.Kast wrote:@Excedrin-
You can only use 1 Active Ability per night.
He didn't indicate anywhere that it wasn't successful.Kmd4390 wrote:Excedrin, your ability you claim to have used on Locke failed, right? Why so quick to assume Kast's was successful?-
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