Mini 856 - Star Control: Zeta Sextantis - Over

[Kmd4390]

What the hell did scum do that uses 3 units?!?

I suspect our Shofixti friend used his Glory Device.

What does this mean in English?

The Shofixti ship is absolute crap.

BUT it has a self-destruct mechanism that, if it's close enough to even the largest ships, will take them out too.

And why are you thinking they used it? Shouldn't that have resulted in a dead scum?

[Excedrin]

What the hell did scum do that uses 3 units?!?

I suspect our Shofixti friend used his Glory Device.

Kast claimed to have targeted Locke Lamora, I'd expect a suicide ability would be a racial ability. So, Kast's claimed insult-and-block racial abilities should have prevented this.

[Excedrin]

Excedrin

- has claimed Zoq-Fot-Pik. The ZFP can scan ships and get blueprints.
- has claimed an Umgah Drone. The claimed Umgah Drone can use its Caster to send messages and

anti-matter cone

to

RB

nullify

targets

players (it can be used to stop a player's action even if they're not the pilot of a ship).

minor correction, not that important, but just to keep flavor accurate. Also I have no idea why ZFP should be able to scan ships from a flavor point of view.

[Papa Zito]

In transit on my phone, so no quoting.

I'm thinking he used it from the sheer number of dead.
It may also explain why you absorbed so much energy.
Suicide bomb should be a ship ability. The Shifixti doesn't explode. lawl
I have QTs with people who were physically with me on my ship. If someone was with you you'd have a QT with them too.
I'll update the summary when I get to a computer.

[Excedrin]

I'm speculating that a non-Shofixti on a Shofixti ship wouldn't be able to trigger suicide bomb.

Ships may possess:

P.) Passive abilities - These abilities require no choice and are always in use.
A.) Active abilities - You may choose one of these in a cycle. Each active ability is either (N)ight Action, (D)ay Action or an (A)any time action. Every Active ability a ship possesses has an energy value. You must have this much energy to perform the action.
R) Racial Abilities - These abilities are only active if you are the same race as the ship you are on. They may be A or P and follow the rules for them as detailed above.

[Excedrin]

The caster is a R.A ability (racial, active) of my ship.

[Kast]

@Excedrin-
You can only use 1 Active Ability per night.

@Zito-
My insults are actually a pilot ability.

@KMD-
I blocked Excedrin on N1. If he tried to use a Racial Ability, then he would have been directly informed that I blocked him. If he did not use any Racial Abilities, he would not have been informed of the roleblock.

He claims to have used two abilities, both which are non-racial. His claim to have been told flavor that he got mad but that getting mad has no effect since he has a simple ship does not agree with Spyrex's clarification. He should have been told the insult and nothing else.

Recap

Papa Zito

- has claimed Earthling. The Earthling has no claimed

pilot

ability.
- has claimed a Precursor ship. The claimed Precursor ship can swap people between ships (

Active, Night, Ship, Non-Racial?

).
- says he swapped Rising and Plum N1, then Plum and Rising N2. Rising has confirmed.

Excedrin

- has claimed Zoq-Fot-Pik. The ZFP can scan ships and get blueprints

(Active, Night, Pilot)

.
- has claimed an Umgah Drone. The claimed Umgah Drone can use its Caster to send messages

(Active, Night, Ship, Racial)

and RB targets

(Active, Night, Ship, Non-Racial)

.
- scanned and RB'd Rosso N1
- scanned Kmd and nullified Locke, but Locke RB failed

Kmd

- has claimed Utwig. The Utwig has no claimed

Pilot

ability.
- has claimed Utwig Jugger. The claimed Jugger can absorb energy directed at it

(Active, Night?, Ship, Racial)

.
- 0 energy was absorbed N1, 3 energy was absorbed N2.

Rising

- has claimed Melnorme. The Melnorme's claimed

Pilot

ability is to regenerate a ship's energy. (Zito can confirm the ability though not the race)
- has claimed he started without a ship.
- said he joined Papa Zito on Day 1. Zito has confirmed this.

Kast

- has claimed Pkunk. The Pkunk's racial ability is to possibly come back to life if killed

(Passive, Night, Ship, Racial)

.
- has claimed a Pkunk Fury. The Pilot's claimed ability is to insult/roleblock a target's racial ability. Target is aware of a successful roleblock.

(Active, Night, Pilot)

- Insulted/RBed Excedrin N1, and Locke N2. Excedrin confirmed the N1 action.

@Shofixti Suicide-
LoL this game is confusing. I think Excedrin makes sense in saying a Shofixti suicide thing sounds like a Racial Active ability and so should not have been possible because I blocked him.

[Kmd4390]

Oh, Zito was talking about Locke. K, my bad.

Excedrin, your ability you claim to have used on Locke failed, right? Why so quick to assume Kast's was successful?

Zito, so you think Locke targeted me in a suicide mass-kill ability? Why am I still alive?

[Kast]

@Zito-
I think you're misunderstanding what a Racial Ability is. It is not a pilot ability.

@KMD-
It seems odd that your claimed energy shield is an Active ability. I would guess from description that it is a Passive Ability.

[Kmd4390]

Kast, but he should have been blocked and unable to get a result on Rosso, correct?

[Kast]

@Excedrin-
I don't follow why you would assume roleblockers are immune to each other. Spyrex has confirmed specifically to me that roleblockers in this game would block each other. If you actually have a roleblocking ability, I would think you should have asked him a question about how roleblockers would interact with each other; given that you say you guessed I was a roleblocker and we have a confirmed roleblocker in Dry-Fit.

[Kmd4390]

@KMD-
It seems odd that your claimed energy shield is an Active ability. I would guess from description that it is a Passive Ability.

I thought RA abilities were racial abilities.

[Kast]

@KMD-
Not if both he and I are telling the truth.

He claims his ability is a Pilot Ability (not a Racial Ability). My power has no effect on Pilot Abilities, only Racial Abilities.

He should have been insulted and told nothing else.

[Excedrin]

@Excedrin-
You can only use 1 Active Ability per night.

You're wrong about this. You can use 1 pilot ability per night and 1 ship ability per night.

Excedrin, your ability you claim to have used on Locke failed, right? Why so quick to assume Kast's was successful?

He didn't indicate anywhere that it wasn't successful.

[Kast]

Anything with R. Is a Racial Ability.

R.A. and R.P. are two types of Racial Abilities. R.A. is an Active, Racial Ability. R.P. is a Passive, Racial Ability.

My insult will block all R abilities of the target player (both Active AND Passive). It has no effect on non R abilities.

[Kast]

@Excedrin-
Awaiting confirmation from Spyrex. That is not how the rules read. They specifically state you may choose ONE active ability. If you choose a Ship Active ability, then you also must have enough energy.

[Kmd4390]

@KMD-
Not if both he and I are telling the truth.

He claims his ability is a Pilot Ability (not a Racial Ability). My power has no effect on Pilot Abilities, only Racial Abilities.

He should have been insulted and told nothing else.

Ok, so I'm wrong on how, but it still contradicts, correct?

Excedrin, your ability you claim to have used on Locke failed, right? Why so quick to assume Kast's was successful?

He didn't indicate anywhere that it wasn't successful.

And you assume it was even knowing that yours failed?

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Ok, so mine is both racial and active. You're right then, it does make more sense as passive. Weird.

[Excedrin]

Excedrin, your ability you claim to have used on Locke failed, right? Why so quick to assume Kast's was successful?

He didn't indicate anywhere that it wasn't successful.

And you assume it was even knowing that yours failed?

Since I knew that mine failed due to not having enough energy, I assumed that someone else's action explain would why I didn't have energy. If Kast's action failed because of lack of energy, it would be a pretty important detail for him to omit. So yea, I think it's reasonable to assume that it worked unless he stated that he knew it failed.

Ok, so mine is both racial and active. You're right then, it does make more sense as passive. Weird.

So you had to choose to activate it each night? Does it use any energy to activate?

[Kast]

@KMD-
You are correct. It is still a contradiction. To the best of my knowledge, Excedrin should not have been told anything. He claims to have been told flavor that he claims to have successfully used to guess that I am a role blocker. He should not have been told the flavor.

@LL-
I am not informed if my ability successfully worked. I see no reason why it would not have worked; unless someone is lying and actually blocked me or LL has some ability that stops role blockers.

[Kast]

Okay, Spyrex confirmed that you can use one Pilot Active Ability AND one Ship Active Ability.

[Kast]

UNVOTE

Okay...Spyrex sent me another clarification that he might or might not add flavor even if there was no roleblock. He just meant with his previous clarification that a block would definitely result in a notification, and not being blocked would not be a definite notification but might have flavor along with this insult. This kinda contradicts the previous clarification I was given.

This minorly bugs me and I can't help second guessing whether he sent me the PM because he feels bad about possibly misleading me (to be fair, he said the PM is not meant to affect anything in game, but also to be fair, I don't know how I can not let it have any effect on my thoughts).

I'm still suspicious of Excedrin's claimed investigation result contradiction with KMD's claimed ship.

[Kast]

Waiting for one more clarification...

[Kast]

Okay, Spyrex didn't want to clarify this one, but I'm comfortable going with what I understand of his clarification and it implies Excedrin is lying.

If he tried doing an action that requires more energy than he has, he should have been informed of that and been able to pick a different action.

This implies to me that he is lying about the roleblock.

[Kast]

Vote: Excedrin

[Kmd4390]

Since I knew that mine failed due to not having enough energy, I assumed that someone else's action explain would why I didn't have energy. If Kast's action failed because of lack of energy, it would be a pretty important detail for him to omit. So yea, I think it's reasonable to assume that it worked unless he stated that he knew it failed.

Ok, my bad. Must have missed that. Point conceded.

Ok, so mine is both racial and active. You're right then, it does make more sense as passive. Weird.

So you had to choose to activate it each night? Does it use any energy to activate?[/quote]

I don't have to do a thing. That's why I said it makes sense as passive.

Actually, I'm gonna ask the Mod why it's active.

@KMD-
You are correct. It is still a contradiction. To the best of my knowledge, Excedrin should not have been told anything. He claims to have been told flavor that he claims to have successfully used to guess that I am a role blocker. He should not have been told the flavor.

Shouldn't he have been obvscum yesterday then?

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Ok, here's what I'm seeing.
Kast roleblocked Excedrin. Excedrin should have gotten no flavor.
Excedrin claimed flavor anyway.
A kill was missing on the same night.
Excedrin is scum if Kast is telling the truth.

Vote Excedrin

L-1.