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No rude behavior.
No lying about your role.
No claims before L-2. If you start the day with a guilty and you intend to claim on that day, keep it until the end of the day or when discussion dies down.
No quickhammering.
No women, no kids.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I've gotta say Gamr, I don't like the way you wrote that.
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List of activities to consider at this time:
-Discussions about theory and policy
-Gut reads
-Pretending like you have a reason to vote for someone
-Blowing minor anti-town null tells out of proportion
Now how much I will do 3 and 4 depends on my energy in the game. Energy is looking low right now. I contribute with my vote and my gut reads, and you will wait until the game gets serious for me to take a proactive approach. I see you guys literally making things up, making untenable assumptions, that don't make any sense except to reinforce your bias, as an excuse to move the game along, or worst, to seem like you're scumhunting. You might as well be honest like me and say you've got nothing and vote where your heart tells you.
See the callsign under my name. Do you really expect logical reasoning from someone with this callsign? Vote for me if you want, it's completely useless because you're misreading my intent. I'm not attacking anyone because I didn't see anyone do anything that can be even remotely potrayed as suspicious.
"Garmr is the easy baitwagon."Please, don't insult us.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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#147 is literally a piece of crap.
"X Provides reasoning to his votes. Neutral-Town."
What the hell are you talking about? Do you think only town can make up a half-baked reason to justify a vote? Have you seriously been playing since 2007? Show me your town games, I want to read your meta.
Also, Slandaar-Thor is simply annoying to read. I can't follow this back-and-forth.
It's not how I would describe it. It's the disrespect that IceNinja has for everyone voting for Garmr. He boasts like he knows a scum trap when he sees one. I have great doubts about the inferences that can be made from the Garmr wagon.In post 150, Thor665 wrote:
How would you describe the wagon on him?In post 149, Albert B. Rampage wrote:"Garmr is the easy baitwagon." Please, don't insult us.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I'm not saying that IceNinja is scum at all. He isn't even annoying. He's simply insulting my intelligence, and everyone on the Garmr wagon.In post 153, Thor665 wrote:Are you saying Iec is scum or are you saying he's annoying to you on a personal levl?
Because if it's the first then your current vote makes no sense.
If it's the latter, I'm not sure the value in bringing it up if you don't care to defend the wagon and/or your vote instead of just tossing back annoyance at him.Of course the Garmr wagon is a scum setup.He doesn't know that. Regardless of alignment, he knows that the Garmr wagon has a fickle logical reasoning, and the wagon will fall apart, so he opts to place his vote elsewhere. This isn't alignment-indicative. I'd do the same thing to hedge our odds. Competing wagons provide evidence in future days, as tool accutely remarked.
You're welcome I only offer criticism when it's appreciated. I don't understand your reason for suspecting Slandaar that you describe in #147. Could you be so kind as to explain it, with the appropriate quotes from him?In post 154, toolenduso wrote:
Why thank you.In post 151, Albert B. Rampage wrote:#147 is literally a piece of crap.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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He's not part of my town list, and that's good enough reason. The list will remain undisclosed. As I said, I'm functioning by process of elmination and picking off whoever doesn't make the list.In post 152, toolenduso wrote:My question for you is this -- what led to your gut feeling that it was worth it to put Garmr at L-2?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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On day 1, explaining this makes scum play better, and makes it easier for other players to meta me. I don't want to dwell on this. I'll explain a town read if I have to.In post 157, toolenduso wrote:@ABR: I don't get how saying who you think is town benefits the mafia. Could you explain?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Meta me from different games. No, that's not good. It messes with my reads.
My mental energy gets consumed when I have to lie about my suspicions. Reading, observing, comparing, that doesn't take energy.
Thor, don't call IceNinja Iec. It's an insult to Iecerint.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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You caught meIn post 163, ICEninja wrote:
Now you're just being rude.ABR wrote: Thor, don't call IceNinja Iec. It's an insult to Iecerint.
Are you on crack? Because you clearly don't know who you're dealing with.In post 159, ICEninja wrote:Also, I never said it was a scum trap, it's the easy wagon. Scum jump on the easiest person to lynch day 1, which you've done.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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That's too vague. You can't just adopt someone else's entire playstyle, and even if you did, you wouldn't catch the subtleties that hint at their alignment the same way I would. It's a useless exercise.
IceNinja, explain to us why you think Garmr is an easy wagon. I feel like this is something the town should hear from you.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I played a complete game vs. IceNinja here where we were both town and won: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=23705
Thor was also in the game as scum and died.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Yup.In post 204, ICEninja wrote:a lot of my reasoning for finding him scum is wrong.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Could be a mix of trying to post content and getting into an argument with you.In post 208, Thor665 wrote:
What about the misrep?In post 206, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I don't understand the reasons for voting Slandaar. His exchange with Thor isn't scummy IMO.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I think Thor is serious about trying to lynch Slandaar. He read the situation, weighed his options, and decided that he could lynch Slandaar.
I don't think the strong language he's using describes his true feelings towards Slandaar.
It's an accusation of hypocrisy. Accusing someone of over-explaining while doing a line by line analysis. Everyone is hypocritical. You have to be, in this game, whether you know it or not.
Well, it turns out that this made Slandaar tunnel very aggressively on Thor. It's my guess that Thor then decided that Slandaar would be a good wagon to stay on, and even lynch. Thor's approach of a long line of questioning followed by a vote seems pre-meditated.
I'm the only one even close to have played as many games as Thor here, and I'll talk to you about uncertainty. Leading the town like that, from an argument you generated from your own line of questioning, it doesn't help you read into the game. It doesn't help other players to contribute. Thor would be probing TCold and others who have posted less, asking them to join him, so he could evaluate their play. He wouldn't put a general call out to lynch Slandaar, like a mob boss putting a hit out on a snitch. That doesn't help him as town. It helps someone with an agenda, and a plan to achieve it.
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Putting it more succinctly, Thor putting a general call out to lynch Slandaar is hilariously scummy with zakk, TCold, Axxle, etc. having posted so little. It reads like someone who is interested in convincing others of his opinion, therefore manipulating the lynch, rather than peering through the veil using his own observational skills.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I did. Nowhere in those games do you put a general call out to lynch the person you thought was scum. You probe, you ask questions, you make statements like "Let's see where this wagon goes". This is similar to what I'm doing in this game (my vote on Garmr or Slandaar). However, here, you don't do those things, you jump to a per-determined conclusion and aren't interested in anything except controlling the lynch. I'll repeat it again for you. Your certainty on Slandaar (ie: the language you're using, your posts, the tone) doesn't match that of a townie in early game interested in breaking the narrative.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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That's page 30. Being certain of something on page 30 is a long shot from page 10, with the amount of information we've both seen from Slandaar.In post 261, Thor665 wrote:
Yes, I do.In post 252, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Nowhere in those games do you put a general call out to lynch the person you thought was scum.
Let's just go to the first game I linked.
There's one.In post 727, Thor665 wrote:All your votes are currently useless. Either start making *amazing* cases on your chosen target, or move somewhere useful.
Sheeping me is allowed.
There's another.In post 767, Thor665 wrote:I'm going to go ahead and lob 'not reading thread' as another reason people should sheep me on Slaine.
What other lies are you basing this case on?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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It was also on Day 2, after a night kill. And even the language you use there is more passive than the one here. All in all, if you look at your early Day 1 play in those games, it showcases exactly what I've pointed out about your play.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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The word you're looking for is "articulating". Yes, many of us do agree that Thor is scummy, however it's mighty important that other players than me, Slandaar, ICEninja and a few others weigh in on the game, so we clearly know where everyone stands.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I'm not interested in Thor's meta. I said his play was scummy and he says that's how he plays as town. I asked him to show me, and his most recent games are all invalid because he replaces in late, is scum, etc.
The meta of Thor was for him to say "here's proof I do this as town".
He's hasn't shown this. You can't take his meta and go you didn't do this one scummy thing therefore you're not scum. Not how it works.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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The quote from Thor above is the only reason meta was brought up in the first place.In post 230, Thor665 wrote:Heck, i literally just had a Newbie end where I did this.
Day 1 *and* Day 2.
i can link if you'd like to continue to claim that you remotely understand how I play the game as town or scum.
The quote above is missing an "I" at the beginning of the sentence and is meant to be read from my perspective. In other words, "I've read the games you linked and it isn't a good defence."In post 246, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Read the first two games Thor has linked. Thor is scum.
You're completely mixed up about the events of this game.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I'll repeat again: the only reason his games were brought up was because he used "meta" as a defence. He posted some games and failed to show any correlation. I asked for the 3 most recent games because he said "I just completed a newbie where I did exactly this! Can link if you want!".In post 292, Sir Bastion wrote:Albert's original case relies too much on him appealing to authority and I frankly feel it's only gained weight because of the claim that thor's play is not consistent with the three other he posted.
Zac needs to post more about other things in the game so I can get a decent read.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I never said I know how Thor plays as scum, but I do recognize good play.In post 297, Thor665 wrote:Step 2: Later the same day, he knows exactly how Thor plays as scum or town, and can apply that in a case on Thor.
Game recognize game, and right now you ain't looking too familiar.
That being said, I agree with Zakk needing motivation to post because that jump was mighty suspicious.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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My contention is that Thor isn't interested in finding scum, only in controlling the lynch. I've stated the behaviors that Thor showed to lead me to believe this. Ie: Calling out to the town to lynch Slandaar. In context, this doesn't make sense because no one who read the same posts that Thor did, found anything particularly scummy with it. With the recent revelation about the history between Thor and Slandaar, I'm not sure if that's what influenced him to vote for Slandaar or not, but it's a bad vote, and it's a bad decision to put out an open call to lynch him. That's what I've accused Thor of.
And now his OMGUS. Sad thing is that I was debating if I should unvote him after his rivalry with Slandaar became more apparent, but this throws a nice monkey wrench into that plan.
His posts this page aren't raising any red flags for me, but he may just be a very good actor who is starting to understand the seriousness of his situation. I might have to actually read his scum metaGuard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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So you can lynch Slandaar with minimal contribution from most players on Day 1.In post 311, Thor665 wrote:Now we also need to point out that town do this sort of thing all the time.
So why do you think I am one of those players who, when town wouldn't, and when scum would change my playstyle and do exactly that?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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It addresses it completely. You would change your strategy to achieve a different objective. As town, you're trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together, which you need a lot contribution from players for, whereas as scum, you just need them to sheep you so you can control the lynch.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I'm pointing out what you just did in this thread, then I'm taking a guess at your alignment from the information available. It's called scumhunting, Thor, you should try it sometime.
As I said, I don't need to know your playstyle to understand that someone is sabotaging the town. I wouldn't bother to go through your games if you didn't use your meta as an excuse to defend yourself.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Oh, look what I found. Were you describing yourself from the future?In post 70, Thor665 wrote:flailing is a tell that basically means 'looking desperate and trying to latch onto anything to prove they don't look scummy'Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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