Mini 1505: N is for Normal (game over)

[Sir Bastion]

how does that make you obvious town if he flips scum?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let's say I'm bussing my scumbuddy Thor. Do I run him up, destroy the bandwagon by admitting I'm not sure about my case, and vote a lurker? Or do I tunnel on him until either him or I are lynched? It's the latter.

[Garmr]

ABR post 601 seems like allot like WIFOM to me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Are you seriously getting a kick out of all arguing against me? Do you feel strong? It's clear as day that I'm town.

I play scum without any passion at all when I'm scum. Go to MD and look at my playstyle as scum. I broke it down for you.

[Garmr]

ABR please tell me why post 601 wouldn't be WIFOM.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Everything is WIFOM, read Thor's wiki.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32183

Open your eyes. I play scum in an extremely straightforward way, every time. I can't push a lynch on Thor and then stop midway because I'm doubting myself and don't want to mislynch him, then be blamed for it the next day. That's two mislynches. As scum, I can argue with him all day. Right now, his ammo consists of me pulling away from pushing his lynch. It's ridiculous. He calls me a liar because I said he was scum, then I wasn't sure, that's his entire case on me. It's stupid. Vote for him, not for me. And if you think we shouldn't lynch him because he's a good player or whatever, then lynch Garmr, he's also scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He also has very weak counterpoints to the argument I brought up, that I attacked him when he was defending me based on the meta I posted from the game I played with him and Slandaar. There's no reason for me to attack Thor, as he's defending me, as Thor is attacking Slandaar. Look at the timing. You've been completely duped. Open your eyes wide and let the truth of my words guide you.

[Garmr]

It disturbs me a little that both your wagons are the two opposing wagons. I would place my vote on you but you'd be L-1 and the day would end while we have like 6 days left. I'll probably wait till 3 days. That's my time limit 3 days.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why do you not find Thor suspicious?

[Garmr]

I did at one point I had him as null. It wasn't till around post 466 I judged Thor as town Even through he was debating with slandaar he pushed out a reason that wasn't of substance and focused on what was for the case.

I veiw the whole slandaar vs thor as TVT and I believe you were the scum that slipped on the side.

[havingfitz]

Unvote

Catching up.....

[Thor665]

He calls me a liar because I said he was scum, then I wasn't sure

No. I called you a liar because I showed you were a liar.
Then you admitted to "making up" stuff to push my lynch.
Then I still called you a liar.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If we use your definition of a lie, you've made bigger and more lies than I have.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That are completely provable. You say X when Y happened. It's a complete lie and misrep.

[Maxous]

Barring something dramatic, i'll be voting Garmr or Thor at the end of the day period.
I'll wait and see where the replacements vote etc.

[ICEninja]

There's three votes on Garmr and three on Thor right now. Do those not count as wagons?

Not if you look at WHO the votes on Garmr are.

"I barely remember Thor"
"Thor is so good at scum he can make me have doubts"
"Thor is being so bad and oversimplifying, he is obv. scum."

Flail more.

While I admit I've been nodding along with much of what ABR has said, exactly this kept popping in my head. Honestly, I was this close || to being convinced that I was wrong and ABR is town but he lies about knowing how Thor plays. Repeatedly. And this isn't the drawing people out and gathering reads, this is blatantly lying about what you know about Thor.

Go to MD and look at my playstyle as scum. I broke it down for you.

No, meta defenses like this are scummy. You're certainly too good of a player for it to be that easy to tell.

Barring something dramatic, i'll be voting Garmr or Thor at the end of the day period.
I'll wait and see where the replacements vote etc.

And this actually makes me feel a little better about my decision.

My vote stays where it is. I'm not confident at all here, but I feel like this is town's best bet.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have no recollection of Thor before this game. While I was looking iceninja, who claimed not to have played a full game with me, which I disproved, I noticed Thor was also in that game as scum. During the course of this game, I then read some of his games to get a feel for his meta.

[Thor665]

That are completely provable. You say X when Y happened. It's a complete lie and misrep.

Like which?

Because there's a big difference between 'Thor doesn't do this...oh, wait...I mean he did it in those games but later...oh wait he replaced in? I mean...I made it up to teach him a lesson"
And what Slandaar is whining about, and I don't recall you pointing out anything prior to this. So lay it on me.

[Maxous]

Barring something dramatic, i'll be voting Garmr or Thor at the end of the day period.
I'll wait and see where the replacements vote etc.

And this actually makes me feel a little better about my decision.

You calling me scummy?

[Elyse]

@ABR
By nonsensical I mean logically nonsensical, not "it doesn't make sense to me."

I want to unvote you. I really do. But I'm just not confident enough to move onto Thor. I do think that he has been tunneling on you/Slandaar way too much, but then again, Slandaar has literally only talked about Thor this whole entire time. I don't think they are scum together, so is that a real scumtell?

And I do have some qualms with what you are saying. Almost everything you say is WIFOM. Do you really expect me to believe you when you say you wouldn't do x as scum just because you say so? The fact that you are aware of these things negates it even further.

One thing that keeps bugging me is that you are now saying you dismantled the wagon on Thor because you had doubts. Before, you said it was to show Thor that you could run him up and that he should be scared of you. Which is it?

[Albert B. Rampage]

One thing that keeps bugging me is that you are now saying you dismantled the wagon on Thor because you had doubts. Before, you said it was to show Thor that you could run him up and that he should be scared of you. Which is it?

Which one do you believe it is?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I invite you to read this:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... g_is_WIFOM

All the accusations leveled against me are WIFOM. I will defend myself with WIFOM. But can't you see the energy, the passion, the clarity of purpose bleeding through my writing? My favorite role is pro-town. This is what gets me off. I love to be in this position. I don't have to calculate or stick to a strategy, I can just be...see that I'm town and unvote. There's time to vote for other players if you don't want to vote for Thor.

[Elyse]

So you want me to read your scumread's position on WIFOM?

And I'm sorry but this AtE is just giving me so many doubts. Let me mull over it a little more and see what the replacements say.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can you just unvote just for right now?

[Elyse]

Why?