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You are silly!Sotty7 wrote:
Who's this sotto person you keep going on about?geraintm wrote:Sorry, i was rushing over my vote when i didn it, so sorry if it didn't count back then.
vote sotto
and lots of jumpy people in this game...
Friday might look new to the game, but i just lost to her in newbie 278 where she was scum. Don't go giving her too much benefit of the doubt...Sotty7 wrote: I definitely agree that Friday's play seems like she is new to the game so I'm not about to jump all over her for that. Sadly this isalwayshow Turbo plays so I have no read on him yet either.-
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This is my first game outside newbie land, so going from 7 to 12 people makes it harder to follow, too many voices.
Found it odd that Turbo and Shadow got such different reads on killmenator's post. One saying it was a good defence, the other using it to point a finger. One has to be wrong, don't they?-
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So far i have got that Rosso just jumps everywhere. Says he just always does it, but i really don't like it.
Shadow lurker, what was with the denying the vote on Kilmenator? What on earth is the point of getting caught in a lie like that? I still don't get the point of that post from Wednesday when you quoted lot of people and then randomly made a really strong vote on Kilmenator.
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Why not me too? I wrote exactly the same...Patrick wrote:I find it strange that you think scum would lie about something that is so easily disproven. That's addressed to kilmenator.
And i can't work out at all why anyone would lie about where they had voted.
But Shadow's post 123 is just odd again. Trying to explain something about not having unvoted so it wasn't a real vote...
And then why do Sotty and PAtrick not care that Shadow has been found in a stupid, stpuid lie? And when Kilmentor, me and ozy all sit there and go huh?! to Shadow, Patrick thinks that it means Kil is just looking for a reason to vote for Shadow...that to me seems more like Patrick coming up with crappy reasoning for going for Kil. I was close to voting for Shadow for that stupid lie, would Patrick have voted for me in that case?
And why is Turbo so suspicous of Friday? Did Friday not answer you enough in her post on the 4th?-
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But why get yourself caught up in a lie? And why when someone points out you have said an untruth, do you then say you haven't?
a townie should not make themselves look so bad so easily, it surely just confuses the issue andmakes it harder to find people are really scummy. I've been in enough games with Max to know that weird, odd townies can just make it impossible to know what is going on.-
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I wasn't trying to get you to explain his actions, Shadow should do that. I wanted you to say why you felt Kil needed to be voted for. You have said your reason, that someone voting for a very simple obvious reason that might not be too detailed is suspicious.
Sometimes though, it is helpful to not have people around who make it hard to find the right people to lynch.
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I want to write in this game, i really do. I have been following as best i can the Shadow/turbo/kil conversation, and right now i am finding they are just going round and round amoung themselves and not getting anywhere.
The issues they are discussing are (to me), minor ones and not going to be enough to convince enough other people to vote for a lynching, unless something comes up that hasn't been mentioned so far.
I know this might be weird me saying it as i don't feel i have said too much, but bird needs to be around more.
And does anyone know why you can't search for a person's posts anymore (says it is disabled) i can't work out if bird is lacking from the whole site or just this one game.-
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Hello there Mr.
Patrick, i agree this whole thread just doesn't lead my thinking anywhere. For a 9 page game, i sadly haven't got anything on anyone and unless Mr's arrival sparks something. I keep checking in everytime i go to read the other game i am in, but i sit there and had nothing to say except pointless filler posts.
But SHadowlurker, why the thing on PAtrick?-
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I haven't been paying this game as much attention as i should have been. But i just got night killed in my other game (go go all townies in that one who are also playing here!) i have more time now.
i would vote kilmenator because of the couple of posts above where people have basically just gone?! but if that was all due to getting two games confused, then again i am sitting here with absolutly nothing to go on. And still a couple of people whoa ren't posting.
the only thing i didn't like the last few days was Ozzy's FOsing of Kilmenator. For so much self-admitted confusion, seemed a little strong to me.-
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Ozy, you filled your post with too much filler. Pointing out that more talk is good is just worthless, everyone knows that. Kil already said they were going to reread and repost and asked for time, but you FOSed within a few hours.
I am going tovote bird111[\b]
picking up a prod and still not posting is just unforgivable. Especially as he still seems to be oretty active elsewhere on site.-
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Firstly, that was some mod-kill. Getting a godfather so easy i hope makes the game much, much harder for scum to win. I think everyone would have trader a watcher for Mert...
Shadow - considering you haven't mentioned Friday in a post since the 11th, seems odd to try and get a quick band wagon going now.
I liked Kill's recap post, nice to know she is now paying attention.
With regards the few comments you made about me, it was just i was flicking back through the game and came across mod's post about having sent out prods and it got me thinking. I am not especially clued into who is lurking.
I have tried going back and seeing if anything can be gleaned from looking at voting records - both by Mert and at Mert. Got no clue but if someone else wants to try then go for it.
If i was going to move my vote now from Bird to anyone, then i think it would be onto Ozy. I didn't like his FOS on Kil, and he's gone a little quiet lately since then.-
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More thoughts - Rosso seems a horribly lazy poster. I have no clue about him, he is refusing to give us anything to work with. If he was town, i would hope he would be writing more. But is this his normal play style?
MrBuddyLee - 6days to read and then come up with a one line vote. Again, if he were town i would want a lot more than that. Especially when the vote came on Kil who as far as i can tell doesn't deserve any votes at the moment except to punish admitted confusion.
Adele - one post, and has been on site since then on difference occasions but not added anything else to the game. Again lazy behaviour. (only partly fogiven for the cute picture
as i just said, if i was going to vote someone i would have voted for Ozy, but right now there are 4 people i want to vote for.-
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its Xmas now, and i am away from work where i get teh most time to read through the thread and write long posts. Wife won't like me spending too much time on mafiascum so the lenght of my posts and stuff is going to slow down till after NEw YEars. Sorry for this.ShadowLurker wrote:
What are you talking about? I've been pushing on Friday this whole game and she still hasn't answered questions. How am I trying to get a quick bandwagon going on hergeraintm wrote:Shadow - considering you haven't mentioned Friday in a post since the 11th, seems odd to try and get a quick band wagon going now.now?
Shadow - when i wrote that i think what i had done was look at all your posts and noticed that you hadn't mentioned Friday for a long time, ten days or so. so then you suddenly brought up Friday again i found it odd was all.-
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the turbo ozy thing is the onyl thing going on, agree with this.Patrick wrote:I think we probably should get the deadline changed or gotten rid of. Part or me says Turbo is making a mountain out of a molehill, but the other part says we really don't have too much to look at right now anyway with so few ppl saying anything. I think we might as well hear Ozy's suspect list.
Also, I don't like the vote on Rosso. I can't really see the basis for it.
and the rosso vote. there is very littlegoing on in this game. i said before i dislike people not posting and that is true of all games i am in. rosso still hasn't posted, so i placed a vote there. that is the basis, ok?-
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Just checking in quickly, sorry not been around much over the holiday period.
Re Ozy - (this is my first game outside a newbie game, so excuse the silly question) why the push towards a claim now though, ozy has been on 4 votes, enough to get him lynched if we go to a deadline, for ages. If Ozy had felt under threat wouldn't he have mentioned a role earlier?-
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if ozy does end up getting lynched, it will be one of the worst lynches i have seen. just a truly poor game to try and get a 'fair' lynch from, if that makes sense. i'll be very disappointed if ozy goes (unless he turns up scum of course)
and if we get two new players, they'll have like 5 days to actualyl post, almost worthless this game makes me sad.-
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i think it would be an unfair lynch because too many people would have been able to stay effectivly silent for the whole of today, giving up little info for tomorrow. i dislike it strongly if people are able to not get involved in a lynch. a fair lynch is if there is plenty of discussion and everyone has had they say.
in this case, i think it wouldn't be good if ozy ends up lynched when at the same time mod is sending out prods to 30% of the people playing...-
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Patrick, as we have both just been in Newbie 289 my postings in this game are very consistent in my actions back there. Look at post 61 from that game. And i have my vote on Rosso because i placed it there for a reason, and i tend to neeed a good reason to move my votes. I now have a reasonPatrick wrote:I have had a few vibes of geraintm defending Ozy, which I'll look back on tonight when I get in. I've noticed that when scum are under pressure they often become the world's biggest lurker hunters. Not that geraintm himself is under any pressure, but he is indirectly defending Ozy by attacking the inactives/lurkers.vote patrick
turbo - i know i didn't make much of a claim on my thoughts of ozy's scumminess. i didn't think my thoughts on the matter were especially important compared to the question on what i thought a fair lynch was.-
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ok, i thought i had made comments in the past on Ozy, i think i said i found him a little suspicious, i did consider voting for him but i have always found those who are lurking in this game much worse. I think i said i felt Ozy was being penalised for actually taking part and raising his head above the parapet whilst others were sitting there doing nothing.Turbovolver wrote:
OK, now this I don't like. You don't want to lynch people until everyone can weigh in, but you don't think weighing in on the possible lynchee is particularly important. Doesn't make much sense to me.geraintm wrote:turbo - i know i didn't make much of a claim on my thoughts of ozy's scumminess. i didn't think my thoughts on the matter were especially important compared to the question on what i thought a fair lynch was.
Patrick, i have said before i voted Rosso because he was being a horrible townie. Just not posting. at the time i think it was an effective tossup between MrBuddyLee and Rosso, i went with Rosso. I tend to keep my votes on people for a long time, until i see a good reason to switch them. Until your recent posts, i hadn't seen any cause to move my vote.Patrick wrote:
The reason for that vote switch is what exactly? And I still don't see what was pressing to vote Rosso Carne. He's pretty obviously been away from the site for ages now.geraintm wrote:Patrick, as we have both just been in Newbie 289 my postings in this game are very consistent in my actions back there. Look at post 61 from that game. And i have my vote on Rosso because i placed it there for a reason, and i tend to neeed a good reason to move my votes. I now have a reason vote patrick
you asked for the reason or the vote switch, it was because i felt you deliberately tried to make it out like i was defending Ozy when a) i don't think i ever was, b) you should know from previous games between us that i dislike strongly people getting lynched when there are inactive players and that situation is exactly what is going on at the moment here.
Frankly, Rosso needs replacing
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who is voting on rosso? i thought i was the only one who was, and that has been moved nowShadowLurker wrote:First of all, what is voting on Rosso helping? It is obvious he is NOT lurking, but rather hasn't been at the site judging by him being replaced in all his other games and his mini being abandoned. Voting him is not helpful, especially when we're under a deadline.
If i were really clever, i would start analysing letters after each comma and seeing if it spells out somethingAdele wrote:Well, of course, that's a less dramatic statement than it would be for most; I've only been in the game for a couple weeks. At first, I wasn't liking what Ozy said and I wanted him to defend himself; now I'm apprehensive that unless he comes out in force it'll come down to Ozy or no-lynch, and I take major issue with no-lynch, so I want him to present the strongest defence that he can, including claim, as soon as humanly possible so everyone has a chance to respondandwe have time to hunt out someone bettetandhave enough time to build a bandwagon to the point that we don't end the day, not with a bang, but a whimper.
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am of the opinion that ozy needn't claim, and especially now we are waiting for 2 replacements. need them to chip in before anything drastic happens.-
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Hello all, am here. It went to day on Friday and i rarely post at weekends. So my lack of posting so far is the reason for that, not that i have been lurking.
Firstly, seems like so far this game couldn't have gone any better for townies. Got godfather day one through fluke, and then no kills last night.
Now, on with the game.
This is my first game outside the newbie room, so never been involved in a mass claim before. Not sure how to proceed, but i wouldn't want to be rushed into anything.
Right now, i'd like to to just plain lynch up Ozy again and let all the cops keep on going. If we have two cops and presumably only one night kill to worry about from the mafia, we will get at least one more investigation and possibly two if no one dies overnight. And even getting somone killed overnight is as good as an investigation.-
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Ozy - sorry if i seemed like i was advocating going to a lynch you right now, but if i remember i think i was the one who voted last for your lynch yesterday because i was very hapyp then in testing your claim and seeing what exactly we could get from the night. We seem to have got two cop investigations and no deaths.Adele wrote:Seems to me that, in a balanced game, mafia have the advantage in night-choices and town in day-choices, so throwing the lynch away (btw, we could just as easily go to night by voting "no lynch") seems foolhardy to me, regardless of whether we have 2 cops or (much more commonly in a mini) just the one.
Right now, i think we as a town would gain more from testing your claim again (because like someone else said, i am not for saying you are town 100%, i could see you as a scum who could get saved once) and seeing what our cops will tell us and if anyone turns up dead.
Adele - voting no lynch is much, much worse than lynching Ozy assuming his claim is true.-
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if ozy's claim is true, then there is no difference between the two.Adele wrote:
??? I followed your point up to here - and you had a fair point. But this, I don't get at all. If Ozy's claim isgeraintm wrote:Adele - voting no lynch is much, much worse than lynching Ozy assuming his claim is true.true, how is lynching him functionally different from no-lynching? Or was that a typo; did you mean "a lie"?
If Ozy's claim isn't true, it makes every bit of difference.
I would hope that even Ozy wouldn't mind us testing his claim a second time if the situation arose.-
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MrBuddyLee wrote:Kil can apparently only confirm my night target, at least that's what it reads like. Problem is, there could be other explanations for the lack of nightkill besides my action. So I don't see any way to confirm me or the alignment of my target today.MrBuddyLee wrote:Kilmenator, I have a question for you.
You knew there was no kill last night, you knew my night target,
Having gone back and reread today, i am just confused. I feel so out of my depth here. When adele says she doesn;t want people to state their allegencies, i am sitting there going "well, won't everyone say they are pro-town?" I have just gone and read the set up for 373, and now i am even more confused i believe none of you...kilmenator wrote: i realized not only scum would target him but others also. Obviously someone else targetted the victim as well, so I was not sure in my own mind whether or not you were scum or something else. So, with all the being said, when you said you were not a vanilla, I layed off because now I know what your role is.
I have no idea what Kilm and MBL are on about, but they seem to have cleared themselves somehow from suspiscion. The last part there seems to me to indicate Kilm has gone from a 50/50 chance that MBL is scum to clearing him, and i don't know how.
The rest of the day so far just seems to be there to be a push for a huge claim that seems to have died down. No one to me looks especially naughty, i just wish i knew what Kilm and MBL were on about.
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Ok, wasn't expecting that. I leave for the weekend for some Choas and come back to another ded body.
I went back and looked over Patrick's posts quickly, and all i basically got from it was it felt like a townie without an especially powerful, active role just trying to stay out of the way.
Why whoever it was with a kill decided upon him, i can't think. Patrick seemed harmless to me...-
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i found this odd, giving evidence to why you thought him town, when the way you were thinking had nothing to do with why PAtrick was actually town.kilmenator wrote: I almost thought him as a cop because of this post here
Just because why would he ask such a question without assuming that there was another cop.Patrick wrote:I still would like ppl to comment on whether or not a second cop should come out if there is one. I would like to confirm Shadowlurker's sanity. If we can do that, then we're virtually there unless the doc falls tonight.
Kil's whole chat with MBL earlier in the game and then this buttering himsel fup to a dead townie sit oddly with me.
Not true.kilmenator wrote: I find it interesting that everyone else feels that it is a pro-town player who day killed him.-
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i don't, i think i said above that i don't think a protown player would have gone after him.kilmenator wrote: Could someone please explain to me why they think he would have been day vigged?
and what i meant wasi found it odd the way you linked yourself to Patrick's townness after the event it was proved.
Bu MBL seems pretty sure of where you stand, so i don't know what to think.-
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this game (to me) seems like the kind of game where there would be no vanilla mafia...MrBuddyLee wrote:If Kil's scum she'd have to be scum with a tracking ability. .
your post 509, you went to great lenghts to tell everyone you thought Patrick was pro-town. i just found it odd after the fact that Patrick's towness is proved, you made it so clear to everyone you always thought he was town. you also throw in that you also found him scummy too. the whole tone of that post i found weird, but MBL seems happy with you so despite my weird feelings about you, i have nowhere to go with them.kilmenator wrote:
I guess I didnt realize that I linked myself to him, could you tell me where I did that.geraintm wrote: and what i meant wasi found it odd the way you linked yourself to Patrick's townness after the event it was proved.-
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does it seem like i trust you? if i did, i don't think i would be bringing you and him up so much. If i was trusting, why would have i advocated lynching Ozy again tonight.MrBuddyLee wrote:I'm concerned that you're so willing to trust me, gerain.
and i meant to post this yesterday byt my log in went screwy for 24 hours.-
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From what i remember, Kilm was the one who sorta came out and was happy about MBL, not the other way round. If Kilm and MBL are behaving oddly, i would expect the one who 'cleared' the other to be more likely to be a bad man than the other way round. That coupled with me finding Kilm's post about him thinking Patrick was a cop odd, would make it be true to say of the two, i think i trust MBL more than Kilm.Adele wrote:geraintm wrote:
does it seem like i trust you?MrBuddyLee wrote:I'm concerned that you're so willing to trust me, gerain.
This post read very much like you trust MBL; why else would his support of Kil be relevant?geraintm on Kilmeneter wrote:your post 509, you went to great lenghts to tell everyone you thought Patrick was pro-town. i just found it odd after the fact that Patrick's towness is proved, you made it so clear to everyone you always thought he was town. you also throw in that you also found him scummy too. the whole tone of that post i found weird, but MBL seems happy with you so despite my weird feelings about you, i have nowhere to go with them.
Does that make sense?
I have to say, i don't really trust anyone in this game. I feel like everyone else is playing with a ton more info than me about what is going on.-
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? nope. but that would account for merely one person...yourself.ShadowLurker wrote:
Did you miss a cop claim?geraintm wrote:I have to say, i don't really trust anyone in this game. I feel like everyone else is playing with a ton more info than me about what is going on.
MBL and kilm i could never work out what the two of them were on about either, but it was more a comment on how i felt out of my depth in this my first trip outside the newbie room.-
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did you miss the part how i said it was more a general comment on how i felt out of my depth, or are you deliberately missing that section?ShadowLurker wrote: but it was more a comment on how i felt out of my depth in this my first trip outside the newbie room.
That would account for three.
And kilm and MBF have both claimed power roles.-
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klebian wrote: Then geraint posts (kinda near a deadline)
I'll be disappointed if he goes unless he's scum seems like trying to cover up that he already knows ozy will be scum. I don't like this post, the points against ozy were fairly solid, and he doesn't really say why he doesn't like an ozy lynch.geraintm wrote:if ozy does end up getting lynched, it will be one of the worst lynches i have seen. just a truly poor game to try and get a 'fair' lynch from, if that makes sense. i'll be very disappointed if ozy goes (unless he turns up scum of course)
and if we get two new players, they'll have like 5 days to actualyl post, almost worthless this game makes me sad.
Your post here is very lazy for someone who is doing a review of the game. I clearly say why i thought lynching Ozy was a bad idea in a later post where i explained what i thought an "unfair lynch" was. As that post i am quoting of myself was 4 hours after the one you quoted, i find it hard to beleive you missed it. How did you, or was your quoting just quiet selective?geraintm wrote:i think it would be an unfair lynch because too many people would have been able to stay effectivly silent for the whole of today, giving up little info for tomorrow. i dislike it strongly if people are able to not get involved in a lynch. a fair lynch is if there is plenty of discussion and everyone has had they say.
in this case, i think it wouldn't be good if ozy ends up lynched when at the same time mod is sending out prods to 30% of the people playing...
what was wrong with my post to PAtrick? Patrick i felt was trying to make me look bad when i felt i wasn't and PAtrick should have known better, hence my vote.klebian wrote:
I really don't like his point against patrick. Makes little sense to me. and his response to turbo doesn't make that much sense either.geraintm wrote:
Patrick, as we have both just been in Newbie 289 my postings in this game are very consistent in my actions back there. Look at post 61 from that game. And i have my vote on Rosso because i placed it there for a reason, and i tend to neeed a good reason to move my votes. I now have a reasonPatrick wrote:I have had a few vibes of geraintm defending Ozy, which I'll look back on tonight when I get in. I've noticed that when scum are under pressure they often become the world's biggest lurker hunters. Not that geraintm himself is under any pressure, but he is indirectly defending Ozy by attacking the inactives/lurkers.vote patrick
turbo - i know i didn't make much of a claim on my thoughts of ozy's scumminess. i didn't think my thoughts on the matter were especially important compared to the question on what i thought a fair lynch was.
And my point to Turbo was consistent with my thoughts at the time that the unfair lynch of Ozy would be very, very bad, and i wasnted it stopped. My thoughts on Ozy at the time i felt were not important comapred to trying to persuade peopel to give him more time.
Turbovolver wrote:geraintm wrote:turbo - i know i didn't make much of a claim on my thoughts of ozy's scumminess. i didn't think my thoughts on the matter were especially important compared to the question on what i thought a fair lynch was.
likely town, but i wanted to test it when we came out of night and found no one dead. No one else liked that idea though, it was pretty much shot down by the more experienced people around.kilmenator wrote:May I ask what everyone else thinks of ozy's alignment?-
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if this was the case, then i suspect ozy/colonel kutz would have told us of their alignment once they got lynched. that is pure guesswork on my behalf though.kilmenator wrote:the reason i ask is because if you look at the set up of the other game, once people were lynched they became on the opposite side instead of dying.
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I told him to go look at the post i made quoted below.Turbovolver wrote:
You did fail to answer his first question here. However, considering that question says "sounds like he knows ozy will be scum", it isn't particularly valid. I was surprised you didn't mention this though.
I think it is unfair of you to say i hadn't answered his question when i already had.geraintm wrote:i think it would be an unfair lynch because too many people would have been able to stay effectivly silent for the whole of today, giving up little info for tomorrow. i dislike it strongly if people are able to not get involved in a lynch. a fair lynch is if there is plenty of discussion and everyone has had they say.
in this case, i think it wouldn't be good if ozy ends up lynched when at the same time mod is sending out prods to 30% of the people playing...
To norinel - seems a fair assesment to me
agree with thiskilmenator wrote:I am NOT pushing for an ozy lynch, I am just making a point that ozy is not yet off the hook.-
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What's teh first question? I can't find another one in hereTurbovolver wrote:Uhh geraintm, there's a reason I specified thefirstquestion. The post you linked too answered the next question.
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Then geraint posts (kinda near a deadline)
I'll be disappointed if he goes unless he's scum seems like trying to cover up that he already knows ozy will be scum. I don't like this post, the points against ozy were fairly solid, and he doesn't really say why he doesn't like an ozy lynch.geraintm wrote:if ozy does end up getting lynched, it will be one of the worst lynches i have seen. just a truly poor game to try and get a 'fair' lynch from, if that makes sense. i'll be very disappointed if ozy goes (unless he turns up scum of course)
and if we get two new players, they'll have like 5 days to actualyl post, almost worthless this game makes me sad.-
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[/quote]Turbovolver wrote:You mean you understood it?
I still don't.
I mean I still don't get it, you took three tries. I don't think the most likely explanation here is geraintm understood it and thought "nope, not worth responding to."
How can you make such a fuss of me not answering a question when you and Adele both agree what was written was very hard to understand and you think the most liekly explanation is that i didn't understand it?
Putting words into Klebian's mouth aren't you?Adele wrote: I mean, I think what klebian was getting at is that gerain's "I'll be disappointed if he goes unless he's scum" looks like someone trying to oppose a lynch but hedge their bets for the eventual discovery that ozy's scum and therefore gerain was opposing a lynch on scum.
And Adele, i was opposing Ozy's lynch at that point, i don't deny that at all. At that time, i thought lynching Ozy would be terrible.
But has anyone noticed that i actually the person who lynched Ozy? My post 373 was the final vote on Ozy. if as you are saying you think i could be scum because i already knew Ozy was scum, it seems pretty far fetched to me that the game would require both me and Ozy to be scum and Ozy to be an unlynchable mafia. I think that is what the Klebian hypotosis (sp?) would require for me to be a mafia.
And now i have acually gone through and understood what everyone is thinking, i am going tovote klebian
glad that you came round to this point of view in the end.Turbovolver wrote: I don't really see a way to discern from the two, so yeah, I guess I agree geraintm doesn't have anything to explain.-
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you are investigating me as your day cop activity? good i'll come up as a good guy...ShadowLurker wrote:I have submitted my check of geraintm.
anyways, another good night.
i didn't like how yesterday ended. Autoload coming in and so quickly ending the day. I just am not comfy with Auto's claimed role and then that sudden behaviour.
Why do yuo think Autoload won't respond? He came into the game and posted twice within the first 24 hours of replacing. That seems quiet quick tome.kilmenator wrote: We are also waiting on someone who we basically confirmed innocent (autoload replaced ozy right?). I am pretty sure judging by his behavior thus far, he will not be responding anytime soon.
SL could you please tell us who you have checked as a daycop?
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i am town and want more confirmed townies. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to come up as scum being town, that would have been hard to explain...Adele wrote:
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you are investigating me as your day cop activity? good i'll come up as a good guy...ShadowLurker wrote:I have submitted my check of geraintm.
That's not good. An investigation of a bad guy is more useful than an investiagtion of a good guy, right? Big picture, geraintm.
if i were scum, i wouldn't have wanted to have been investigated at all. obv would have been more useful if he had investigated someone else and come up with a guilty verdict on them.
What do you mean here? vampire zebra?Adele wrote:
Isn't vampire kind of a zebra?kilmenator wrote:I have been pointing out he could very well not be an unlynchable townie he could be a townie who was lynched and comes back as a scum.
patrick? Patrick's gone Shadow...ShadowLurker wrote:I got geraintm as town, I really hope I'm not naive, but that leaves Patrick/Turbo unless we think by some logic that MBL and kilmenator are scum.
I g2g now, barely had time.
Does that mean turbo is where Shadow thinks we should be looking at then?
vote turbo
too many of his posts just seemed to be him asking others their opinion (when i just went back over his posts) and his going after Klebian now justs seems poor.
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ah, i see what you mean fair enough. possibly thinking a little selfishly then, wanting to be cleared.Adele wrote:You want confirmed scumzars more than confirmed townies, right? And you (from your POV) are a townie. Hence, it'sbadthat you got investigated.
as i watch 2/3 of those, i should have heard it too then. i like the phrase.geraintm wrote: What do you mean here? vampire zebra?Wikipedia wrote:Zebra is a slang medical term for an obscure and unlikely diagnosis from ordinary symptoms.
I guess "improbable role" would've been better, but it foolishly didn't occur to me that you'd be unfamiliar with it, since I've some across it several times in Scrubs, ER and (I think) Casualty, and have used it in casual discussion without trouble.
this is my first time out of the newbie room so roles besides cop/doc/mafia are all new to me...-
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Ok, i have no idea what is going on now having seen Auto/Ozy's role...
I thought i did, but i don't...
Your post 68 on the 16thTurbovolver wrote: Yes, I do ask a lot of questions. I'm a firm believer in giving people a chance to explain the things I find suspicious, because what I'm searching for is what motivates their replies. You need to probe to find scum.
You say I'm asking others their opinion too much, though?! Please, give me some examples.
And my going after Klebian was poor? Well you had plenty of chance to say that yesterday, y'know, instead of saying you agreed with the arguments against him and voting him.
and you never let up on him from then on, even when you say you are backing off of him, you later find cause on about the 9th to keep on at him. In hindsight, it didn't look good to me when i reread your posts. and when looking at only certain people's behaviour, you vs klebian yesterday made me kinda go hmm...Turbovolver wrote:Vote: klebian
He's scum.
And examples of you asking people's opinions...
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What do you think about Friday's hyper-defensiveness?Turbovolver wrote:Friday-13th, I want to know who you suspect and why.Turbovolver wrote: You say you don't know who to vote out of him, Friday or Patrick.
Why those other two?Turbovolver wrote:I too was happy with Killmenator's reply, except for one thing: You didn't vote anyone after going back and re-reading all the players. Why didn't you vote anybody after all that work?Turbovolver wrote: Go on then, explain how.Turbovolver wrote:So Ozymandius, you didn't want to explain that weird post you made before you came back?Turbovolver wrote: I would also like to know why you think MBL is scummy.
I don't know where i am going with this though anymore. As i said, Auto's death has confused me.Turbovolver wrote: I'm still waiting for klebian's analysis, but I am just as keen for something more substantial from Norinel now.-
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Nope, i was still voting for you, hadn't backed down when i wrote that post.Turbovolver wrote:
So you are trying to use the death of another unrelated player as a reason to back down on your poorly formulated attack on me? Greeeat.geraintm wrote:I don't know where i am going with this though anymore. As i said, Auto's death has confused me.
But having read Kilm's later post, i really, really want to know what MrBuddyLee does for a living. As in i really, really want MBL to say what he does.
I am leaning towards that as well.Adele wrote:
I'm not certain, but I think there is an SK.Turbovolver wrote:The problem I'm having here is, it's doubtful there is an SK considering how the night's have gone.-
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Vote MrBuddyLee
you had ample oppotunity to say what you do, and you haven't
I don't know if everyone is assuming this, but there is no mention in the Mod's post that him turning into a goon was due to his lynching. That might be what is meant to be assumed, but i think MBL is some sort of mafia recruiter.Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:Original Role PM wrote:You are the Unlynchable Townie. You have immunity from lynches, so if you are lynched, the lynch will fail and night will proceed.Newest Role PM wrote:You are a Mafia Goon. You have no special abilities.
If MBL is a mafia recruiter, picking up Ozy night one or Day 2,then i think i would expect there maybe to be another person recruited unless it was a one shot deal on the recruiter's behalf.-
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i agree with the multiple recruiting part, but this seems an odd enough game to not rule it out.Turbovolver wrote:
geraintm, I highly doubt a mafia recruiter would be allowed multiple recruits. Even if the game started with just a mafia recruiter, that's still a cult with nightkills!
I don't see any evidence for or against a mafia recruiter here. Particularly notable is geraintm voting MrBuddyLee because "the mod's words don't rule out a recruiter". Which is a true statement, but says nothing of MBL's alignment!
This is more craplogic from geraintm, and now I am home I'll get to the earlier stuff.
i think MBL is a recruiter. To me it fits better with his known targetting of Ozy and Ozy's then subsequent change from town to scum than Ozy flipping into scum because he got lynched.
Turbo, you asked me to provide examples to back up when i said i got the impression from rereading your posts that you liked asking questions. i did this even though i knew at the time i was confused by how the day was going. You had asked me to respong and i felt obliged to.
Auto/Ozy died after my vote for you and before i responded to your post. there had been a significant change in the state of play. I voted for you because at the time i thought you were the best person to vote for. i hope you allow me to change my mind on where to vote when something as serious as another player dieing occurs. And to say Auto/ozy's death is unreleated is strange, everything in a game of mafia is related...-
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turbo, forget my vote for you, the game has moved on since i did. you are the only person who is going on about it when quiet clearly there are other people more in the firing line than you.Turbovolver wrote: You areclearlytailoring your defense to the accusation here, saying whatever you can to get people off your back. And it doesn't add up.
I don't know how it fits into this confusing-as-hell game, but I see no way you are not scum at this point.
Unvote: kilmenator
Vote: geraintm
however, i am finding your now voting for me strange to say the least.I am finding your posts odd, and if i wasn't so fixated on MBL i would be back on you... Voting someone who our cop (who no one has claimed isn't) has said is town just to me is odd...
MBL, i have no idea what role are hinting at. I really don't, sorry.
Re: discussion on a possible SK - i don't have anything to add to this discussion and am going to have to leave it upto more informed people to work it out...
what is teh vote situation by the way, Shadow, me and Kilm on MBL, turbo on me?-
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the conversation with MBL is interesting enough that i don't want him at an official one vote from lynch. But MBL, please don't think i am backing off you, i still want you to tell me what you did night 1
i believe i wanted to lynch Ozy on Day 2, but i got jumped all over saying it was a bad ideaMrBuddyLee wrote:
Look back and see if anyone did that. I don't think they did, other than you. So when he was killed, it's a sign that someone sneaky did it, implying that the daykiller is an SK.
Turbo, all i am getting from you is someone going around creaating sandstorms to blind people. you are not joining in with your throughts on the main topic of conversation, instead chatting with me or Kilm.
Question that is bothering me - how likely is it that the mafia could be daykillers?-
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