noooo
VOTE: Almost50
You ruined my plan, must OMGUS and lynch.
3dicerolling wrote:The bulge might be scum
3dicerolling wrote:The bulge might be scum
In post 54, 3dicerolling wrote:Oh nice, spiff is probably town.
In post 91, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 74, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:I know its page 3, but if your going to say this can you at least tell us why you have these reads on them?
Why'd you single out 3dice here when Ranger is giving a full blown unexplained readslist two posts above you?
Xtoxm wagon is not a bad wagon but I like my vanity vote as it stands
In post 110, 3dicerolling wrote:In post 109, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:In post 91, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 74, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:I know its page 3, but if your going to say this can you at least tell us why you have these reads on them?
Why'd you single out 3dice here when Ranger is giving a full blown unexplained readslist two posts above you?
Xtoxm wagon is not a bad wagon but I like my vanity vote as it stands
I honestly missed that tbh
ranger, explain your reads, and all that on page 3?
Why do you believe it's necessary that ranger or I explain our reads at this point in the game?
In post 113, davesaz wrote:In post 111, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:In post 110, 3dicerolling wrote:In post 109, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:In post 91, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 74, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:I know its page 3, but if your going to say this can you at least tell us why you have these reads on them?
Why'd you single out 3dice here when Ranger is giving a full blown unexplained readslist two posts above you?
Xtoxm wagon is not a bad wagon but I like my vanity vote as it stands
I honestly missed that tbh
ranger, explain your reads, and all that on page 3?
Why do you believe it's necessary that ranger or I explain our reads at this point in the game?
because you cant just say someones town/scum with no justification.
There are some people who do really early reads like this so often that it's considered abnormal if they don't. And others for whom it's abnormal to have strong reads in the 1st 20 pages.
In post 121, pisskop wrote:The point is it wasnt a normal role that resulted in RC's death. Doesnt matter who or what did it.
FTR, Im sticking to the mafia dayvig unless its explicitly blacklisted.
In post 127, pisskop wrote:Still not normal. Theres an allowance for 1 nonnormal role in a mini normal game. Like this one.
Claim if youre a town dayvig. Otherwise its an antitown move.
We have zero evidence for an SK, and any talk about a second faction before we have proof will be treated as a potential slip
In post 72, Ranger wrote:{3dice, RadiantCowbells}
{Almost50, TheBuldge, pisskop}
{droog, Spiffeh}
{davesaz, KTthecreeper}
{Some Random Mafia Player, Xtoxm}
{GuiltyLion}
In post 146, 3dicerolling wrote:In post 145, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:still waiting for dice to explain their bulge and spiff reads.
And you never answered why I need to justify these reads.
How about...no.Some Random Mafia Player wrote:ranger, explain your reads, and all that on page 3?
Some Random Mafia Player wrote:In post 146, 3dicerolling wrote:In post 145, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:still waiting for dice to explain their bulge and spiff reads.
And you never answered why I need to justify these reads.
because your intentionally not giving info to the town that could be useful. The things you think someone is scum for may be things that everyone else completely missed. If you dont tell us your reasoning we might never realize that someone did something scummy because nobody would notice.
Some Random Mafia Player wrote:In post 146, 3dicerolling wrote:In post 145, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:still waiting for dice to explain their bulge and spiff reads.
And you never answered why I need to justify these reads.
because your intentionally not giving info to the town that could be useful. The things you think someone is scum for may be things that everyone else completely missed. If you dont tell us your reasoning we might never realize that someone did something scummy because nobody would notice.
In post 157, Ranger wrote:Never said that!Some Random Mafia Player wrote:So you have no reason for those reads, just put them there randomly?
In post 161, Ranger wrote:Because I am a troll.Some Random Mafia Player wrote:why do you not want to put reasoning for them?
In post 163, Almost50 wrote:
ERm, I don't know how to put this to you, mate.. but I'm afraid Mocha's no longer with us. He has been replaced by droog.
In post 176, Xtoxm wrote:Pretty surprised at scum reads on me but it seems universal so okay I guess, must have made a bad impression.
pisskop i'm not sure what you want addressed but here goes. You mentioned it was opportunistic. This was because it was the 3rd vote? I actually didn't realise you had picked up 2 RVS votes. The statement itself - that you usually have a bigger impact - Well, most (possibly all) your games with me you have replaced in at a developed stage and immediately started spamming. I was aware of the difference, however that game was fairly stalled for a Blitz so I was just picking on something minor, mainly for reactions to help me get some reads and get the game moving. I guess it was successful in that respect, just not the way I had intended.
Spiffeh's concern:
In post 67, Spiffeh wrote:Like the way he's emphasizing that it's a serious vote makes me think he wants everyone to know that he's contributing.
The emphasis was for pisskop to know it was serious and see if he reacted in a town way. By the time I made 73 I didn't feel pisskop had notably towned so I left it on. Since then, notably his reaction to the death, I actually do find pisskop town.
VOTE: unvote
Coming to the death, I think the bulletproof day-SK theory is the most likely. If it's a day-vig scum power in addition to a night kill ability then it's almost certainly a 1-shot thing and it would be a reckless waste to use such a power so early. pisskop you mentioned me using it as a distraction - I have more confidence in my play than that. And it clearly isn't an effective 'distraction' as my wagon has grown since it happened. I think it's more than safe to assume scum of some sort caused the death though, if it does turn out to have been a town day vig i'll be furious.
Reads.
Ranger - I have a mild scumread here. I feel she has been lot more chatty about things not related to scumhunting. She has posted a couple name lists, which is really easy to fake and on it's own does little for me. She has been very chatty about setup discussion, and made a fairly detailed response when I asked about other games, but has done very little in the way of actual scumhunting for the amount of posing she's done. I've not had a chance to look at the scumgames yet but i'm not expecting that to have a major impact on my read at this point in the game.
GuiltyLion i'm initially liking for town due to 40 and this comment:
In post 126, GuiltyLion wrote:Xtoxm wagon is better but I also feel like Xtoxm would have stronger scumplay than this
As the votes on my wagon go, Spiff and pisskop's feel like genuine scumreading. Droog and SRMP's don't strike me in the same way, and I think the reasoning SRMP gives for a 4th vote on my wagon is really poor.
In all, this is where i'm at:
Town reads (most of them mild)
GuiltyLion
davesaz
3dice
Spiffeh
pisskop
Not town reads
Some Random Mafia Player
droog
The Bulge
KTthecreeper
Almost50
Ranger
None of those lists are in any kind of order.
I can expand on any of the reads if people want.
In post 107, 3dicerolling wrote:You set up your post with the intent of getting someone to jump on.
The way you set it up was to strawman anyone who voted you afterwards, regardless of what reasons they gave. That is evident by the fact that you did it even though I provided no reason at all.
You aren't trying to figure out my alignment, you are trying to strawman me, and it's pretty scummy.
In post 196, Almost50 wrote:In post 190, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:but we dont know if they are reads or a bunch of names in random order, if they were reads they would have reasoning. Wheres the reasoning?
NO. That's what I'm trying to say. She does NOT provide reasoning. She posts her reads just the way she did. I even did a comparison in my joke post (90). The reads format was exactly the same in her previous game with me.
In post 198, Almost50 wrote:Are you scum reading her?
In post 202, Almost50 wrote:In post 201, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:2 naked readlists with no reasoning is nothing to have a strong townread over, and I dont see why you think otherwise.
Fair enough, I guess. I do understand how you feel bc that's how it felt -more or less so- in my previous game with her.
Then again, that is not a good enough case to convince anyone to vote her, is it? I mean, if it only goes down to gut feeling and/or not liking her posting style then we will have to agree to disagree.
Here's why (but it's not directly related to this game, hence the spoiler)Spoiler:
In post 205, Almost50 wrote:OK.. so let's just say "null leaning town" for me, "null leaning scum" for you, and pending more posts from her on both cases. Does this work for you?
In post 209, Nosferatu wrote:In post 72, Ranger wrote:{3dice, RadiantCowbells}
{Almost50, TheBuldge, pisskop}
{droog, Spiffeh}
{davesaz, KTthecreeper}
{Some Random Mafia Player, Xtoxm}
{GuiltyLion}
why
In post 101, 3dicerolling wrote:I think I have reached the correct conclusion here.
So we have 3 factions in this game. Mafia is unable to shoot at RC because mafia dayvig isn't normal.
That leaves town and sk. RC claimed PGO, so if you consider that, a town player has absolutely no reason to vig RC. If they do, they not only risk hitting town, but they risk getting themselves killed.
That leaves only sk. What I think about the sk is this: If they have bulletproof, then it makes sense that they might take the shot at RC, since it would mean no harm to them. RC is also a strong player in general.
This leads me to believe the sk has at least one dayvig shot, and has bulletproof.
sk dayvig isn't normal either. Bulletproof doesn't make sense because PGO only activates at night.
In post 103, Almost50 wrote:@3dicerolling: That's some perfect analysis and conclusion. I very much like you vote target too. Here's your reward:
VOTE: 3dicerolling
My "skewed manner of thought" was an obvious joke, but it obviously did harvest something. Now you can go on and call it OMGUS or whatever, but I can't see one reason for you to vote me except me "jokingly" pointing a finger at you and -inadvertently- hitting the bull's eye.
buddiying person who states obviously wrong information
In post 120, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:Also, why are we assuming it was a SK vig? Are those normal either?
questioning wrong information. Either actually is unsure or sees this information and wants to lowkey discredit.
VOTE: Almost50
FoS: srmp
not done making comments on everything, but I've skimmed through.
In post 215, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 213, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:I have no reason why to vote for the dead confirmed player (who you knew was dead) but im gonna be safe and assume its a scum move.
this is terrible
"I don't know why you did this, therefore it's scum"
pisskop's post wasn't even a vote for RadiantCowbells
In post 214, Nosferatu wrote:In post 176, Xtoxm wrote:Spoiler: worthless stuff I really didn't need to read
Coming to the death, I think the bulletproof day-SK theory is the most likely. If it's a day-vig scum power in addition to a night kill ability then it's almost certainly a 1-shot thing and it would be a reckless waste to use such a power so early. pisskop you mentioned me using it as a distraction - I have more confidence in my play than that. And it clearly isn't an effective 'distraction' as my wagon has grown since it happened. I think it's more than safe to assume scum of some sort caused the death though, if it does turn out to have been a town day vig i'll be furious.
you think it's plausible but didn't bother to read the normal guidelines?
Reads.
Ranger - I have a mild scumread here. I feel she has been lot more chatty about things not related to scumhunting. She has posted a couple name lists, which is really easy to fake and on it's own does little for me. She has been very chatty about setup discussion, and made a fairly detailed response when I asked about other games, but has done very little in the way of actual scumhunting for the amount of posing she's done. I've not had a chance to look at the scumgames yet but i'm not expecting that to have a major impact on my read at this point in the game.
GuiltyLion i'm initially liking for town due to 40 and this comment:
In post 126, GuiltyLion wrote:Xtoxm wagon is better but I also feel like Xtoxm would have stronger scumplay than this
As the votes on my wagon go, Spiff and pisskop's feel like genuine scumreading. Droog and SRMP's don't strike me in the same way, and I think the reasoning SRMP gives for a 4th vote on my wagon is really poor.
In all, this is where i'm at:
Town reads (most of them mild)
GuiltyLion
davesaz
3dice
Spiffeh
pisskop
Not town reads
Some Random Mafia Player
droog
The Bulge
KTthecreeper
Almost50
Ranger
None of those lists are in any kind of order.
I can expand on any of the reads if people want.
go ahead an explain all of them. And give an introspective read on yourself. Be brief with everything except the last one.
comments in blue.
pedit: oh yeah, believe me, I noticed.
In post 215, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 213, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:I have no reason why to vote for the dead confirmed player (who you knew was dead) but im gonna be safe and assume its a scum move.
this is terrible
"I don't know why you did this, therefore it's scum"
pisskop's post wasn't even a vote for RadiantCowbells
In post 219, Nosferatu wrote:since some people might actually ask me how I know sk dayvig isn't normal:
mafiascum wiki wrote:Roles which are explicitly Normal for Serial Killer only include:
Serial Killer, Investigation-Immune, Ninja, Strongman, any roles listed as "for any alignment"
>but nos, it says "any roles listed as 'for any alignment'"
you'd still be wrong, because when you check roles listed as "for any alignment":
mafiascum wiki wrote:Roles which are explicitly Normal for any alignment include:
Bodyguard, Commuter, Sane Cop, Doctor, Follower, Gunsmith, Jack of All Trades, Jailkeeper, Motion Detector, Neapolitan, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Roleblocker, Rolecop, Rolestopper, Tracker, Universal Backup, Vanilla Cop, Voyeur, Watcher
notice the lack of a vigilante in this list.
pedit: protip: when you don't know the motive behind something, you ask.
In post 226, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 218, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:and tbh, if I dont know the motive for it, why should I assume it was a town motive when it may have (somehow) helped advance his scum agenda?
this in particular feels egregiously disingenuous. RC is dead, literally nothing scum!pisskop could do involving RC would advance a scum agenda more than his death already has.
VOTE: Some Random Mafia Player
In post 231, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 228, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:how could I know if it could advance it or not? im not his scumbuddy, I dont know if their plansor not.involve that
Involve what? What did you think pisskop was doing?
You thought it was a vote, I pointed out that it wasn't a vote, and now you're still trying to suggest that it was some nefarious scum plan. That feels scummy as hell.
In post 235, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 233, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:what I dont know is if that was furthering a scum agenda or not.
And also - how would voting a dead player advance a scum agenda?
In post 239, Ranger wrote:I'm like 95% certain KTthecreeper is town.davesaz wrote:KTthecreeper gets some scum points for pushing on the droog slot for replacing out. Weak scum.
That would be because there's very little in the way of actual content worth scumhunting. My opinion on matters is mostly unchanged.Xtoxm wrote:but has done very little in the way of actual scumhunting for the amount of posing she's done.
It goes without saying: not sure which of {Xtoxm, GuiltyLion, Some Random Mafia Player} is the serial killer and which of them are the mafia, but I'm relatively certain between the three you've got all the scum this game.
This is both off of their individual posting, bad interactions, and POE on everyone else being town.
In post 230, Ranger wrote:Yes, I do!Some Random Mafia Player wrote:but on a serious note, got any real reasoning?
In post 243, Ranger wrote:Well bluntly, because I can.Some Random Mafia Player wrote: if you were town, why not contribute more than just state your reads with no reasoning?
My reads list is speaking volumes for me.
I don't need to give the attached reasoning when simply posting the list conveys plenty.
If I ever feel my reads list is inadequate by itself, then I will elaborate.
But I hold no such feelings at this time, so I'll continue not giving the reads list.
In post 244, Ranger wrote:Speaking of which...
{3dice, pisskop}
{Almost50, TheBuldge, droog}
{Nosferatu, Spiffeh}
{davesaz}
{Some Random Mafia Player, Xtoxm, GuiltyLion}
In post 225, pisskop wrote:Hopx on Xtox plz
In post 249, Ranger wrote:Fortunately, your own posting is showing why you are scum, and I don't need to do anything. They'll see it with time. Maybe not immediately, but with a scumflip or two (not to mention a nightkill or two to go along with it), scum become increasingly obvious.Some Random Mafia Player wrote:Also, based on my knowledge im getting decently townread (well, I was, and a majority probably still reads me town but IDK) so you might wanna try and convince otherwise.
You are also, incidentally, not my focus right now. I'm still voting GuiltyLion, and could easily move to Xtoxm, so frankly I don't need to focus on you until I want you dead.
My lists might strictly speaking be simply ordering names, but when analyzed, you can realize where these conclusions come from. So simply by virtue of me listing you as a scumread, I've done my work.
In post 249, Ranger wrote:Fortunately, your own posting is showing why you are scum, and I don't need to do anything. They'll see it with time. Maybe not immediately, but with a scumflip or two (not to mention a nightkill or two to go along with it), scum become increasingly obvious.Some Random Mafia Player wrote:Also, based on my knowledge im getting decently townread (well, I was, and a majority probably still reads me town but IDK) so you might wanna try and convince otherwise.
You are also, incidentally, not my focus right now. I'm still voting GuiltyLion, and could easily move to Xtoxm, so frankly I don't need to focus on you until I want you dead.
My lists might strictly speaking be simply ordering names, but when analyzed, you can realize where these conclusions come from. So simply by virtue of me listing you as a scumread, I've done my work.
In post 254, pisskop wrote:my reasoning is his shitty iso and the fact that one of you scumread me for giving a shout out to a dead person
In post 254, pisskop wrote:my reasoning is his shitty iso and the fact that one of you scumread me for giving a shout out to a dead person
In post 254, pisskop wrote:my reasoning is his shitty iso and the fact that one of you scumread me for giving a shout out to a dead person
In post 258, pisskop wrote:relax. Learn to read emphetically. i.e. we all have our own role pms and play based on those and our own thought processes. which are inflyenced by our own implicit and explicit experience.
youre not stupid because you scumread me nor did you display such a quality. stop being do gungho serious and literal
In post 263, Nosferatu wrote:In post 244, Ranger wrote:Speaking of which...
{3dice, pisskop}
{Almost50, TheBuldge, droog}
{Nosferatu, Spiffeh}
{davesaz}
{Some Random Mafia Player, Xtoxm, GuiltyLion}
you know, anyone can just post a readlist. If you don't post thoughts it doesn't really help anyone at all. It's just a bunch of names.
{droog, srmp}
{bulge, ranger}
{almost50, davesaz}
{3dice}
{GuiltyLion}
^ this is just a fucking list of names. This provides no actual information at all. Why? It's a fucking list. How the fuck am I supposed to know why you read a person the way you do, OFF A FUCKING LIST WITH NO EXPLANATION.
In post 269, GuiltyLion wrote:also I get the sense that she's town here and if that's the case then if she's this convinced that I'm scum then one of us will have to go before LYLO
might as well start hashing that out now while more people are around to comment on it
In post 271, GuiltyLion wrote:You don't need to tell me to question my reads
My problem with a Ranger scumread is the way you and Almost (two stronger scumreads of mine) are posturing about her slot.
You keep arguing that people are scum because they're not playing to your ideal how-a-townie-should-play standard and that's not how this game works. I haven't seen anything from Ranger yet that feels fake or ungenuine.
In post 273, GuiltyLion wrote:I agree she's not helping town
I disagree that not helping town is a strong indicator of scum
In post 281, GuiltyLion wrote:SRMP - because townies are often stubborn, lazy, or emotionally compromised. also there are more of them so by sheer probability if a certain number of players are not helping town then it's more likely a town behavior than not.
Do you think scum would want to look like they're not helping town? Because that's a big reason why I'm scumreading you, your posts look like they're trying too hard to look town.
pisskop - there's nothing explicitly stopping me from being on it but I think Almost50/SRMP would make better wagons. Also I agreed largely with Xtoxm's reads when he gave them
In post 293, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 289, Some Random Mafia Player wrote:
but in all seriousness, I have been working this hard to find scum all game, if you have a problem with it why not scumread me for it earlier?
What kind of question is this? I've been on you all game.
In post 298, GuiltyLion wrote:
Because there are other players in the game
Are you trying to imply I can't be scumreading someone I'm not voting? What's your current read on me?