⭐ Blitz 20 — How To Be Normal [Game Over]

[Nosferatu]

it seemed like he was making an effort to get on your good side.

[Marquis]

DAY 1. VOTECOUNT 11.

»

(2)

Ranger

— Some Random Mafia Player, Xtoxm

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(2)

Xtoxm

— Karnage, pisskop

»

(1)

Some Random Mafia Player

— GuiltyLion
(0)

Ankamius

—
(0)

The Bulge

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»

(2)

Nosferatu

— The Bulge, Almost50

»

(1)

Almost50

— 3dicerolling
(0)

davesaz

—
(0)

3dicerolling

—
(0)

pisskop

—

»

(1)

GuiltyLion

— Ranger

»

(1)

Karnage

— davesaz

(2)

NOT VOTING

— Nosferatu, Ankamius

With

12 alive

, it takes

7 votes

to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2016-01-24 13:00:00)

(Sun Jan 24 @ 1:30:00 PM EST).

NOTES.

davesaz is V/LA from Fri to Sun around 12 PM EST.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

it doesent seem like we are decided on who to lynch at all

we gotta make a decision soon.

[Karnage]

VOTE: Almost50

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Read through real quick

Anybody else like Dave for the SK?

I like almost50 and the some random guy for scum

can you tell us why you have those reads?

once again Karnage, why do you ream almost as mafia?

[Almost50]

Okay, but how does that indicate scum?

Erm, who're you talking to here?

it seemed like he was making an effort to get on your good side.

Who are you responding to? Like, who made what to get on whose good side?

[Nosferatu]

I don't care who you saw comparatively as a scum read. I placed my vote down because it looked like an attempt to backlash at anyone who voted you because of that post, and hey look, as soon as I vote you, you immediately vote back.

Even now, you are strawmanning what I did to appeal to the new person who replaced in.

Let them decide for themselves whether they like the logic or not.

Also, hi ank.

why say hello after already acknowledging someone's presence in the game?

Why did you feel the need to comment on this?

him responding to me

Do you have any reads to share then? Are there any players you would consider unlynchable for today or anyone who seems to be the perfect lynch?

pedit: its unnatural.

me responding to his response

Okay, but how does that indicate scum?

his response to my response

it seemed like he was making an effort to get on your good side.

my response to his question.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I don't care who you saw comparatively as a scum read. I placed my vote down because it looked like an attempt to backlash at anyone who voted you because of that post, and hey look, as soon as I vote you, you immediately vote back.

Even now, you are strawmanning what I did to appeal to the new person who replaced in.

Let them decide for themselves whether they like the logic or not.

Also, hi ank.

why say hello after already acknowledging someone's presence in the game?

Why did you feel the need to comment on this?

him responding to me

Do you have any reads to share then? Are there any players you would consider unlynchable for today or anyone who seems to be the perfect lynch?

pedit: its unnatural.

me responding to his response

Okay, but how does that indicate scum?

his response to my response

it seemed like he was making an effort to get on your good side.

my response to his question.

I think your looking too far into this, all he did was say hi lol

[Nosferatu]

but he said it twice.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

but he said it twice.

but im surprised you take it as alignment indicative.

[Nosferatu]

but he said it twice.

but im surprised you take it as alignment indicative.

are you implying people say and do things for no reason at all in a game with specified purpose and reason?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

but he said it twice.

but im surprised you take it as alignment indicative.

are you implying people say and do things for no reason at all in a game with specified purpose and reason?

Yes, actually, that already happened before this and I got called scummy for taking the exact view you are.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Radiant Cowbells

This was done for no reason that has anything to do with the game, did it?

[pisskop]

i was trying to day-revive RC

[Some Random Mafia Player]

i was trying to day-revive RC

Assuming this isent serious, if it is...

[Xtoxm]

Xtoxm I'd prefer a Ranger lynch over your lynch for sure. But it makes me uncomfortable how Almost is townreading her and SRMP is scumreading her and I'd really like to work that out first today to some degree if I can

I'm not sure what you feel needs sorting with SRMP. I have him as fairly solid town now. The ease of posting and inquisitive nature are at a level beyond what I expect from scum. 304, 318, 328 are examples of goodposting from him. He's also been pushing Ranger as scum for a long time which is a strong point in his favour.

50 I do find quite awkward. Some of his posts are pinging hard such as 245 and 311, but some of his posts look town to me such as 327 and 339. Ultimately I could compromise here due to his continued hard defense of Ranger, but I have a decent amount of doubt that he's going to flip scum. He's at least here and contributing to the deadline crunch, whereas Ranger is (thus far) ducking it entirely which is objectively more scummy.

We're around 15 hours from deadline and we need to start consolidating votes. I'd really like to flip Ranger today. She has had no reads development since page 3, is pushing probable all town, and is currently ducking the deadline crunch in this game whilst being active elsewhere on site.

[Ranger]

if Ranger is town I can't wait to see her reaction post game.

I seriously need to work on adjusting my tone if people have the impression I'm so arrogant as to be surprised when my reads are wrong. I

expect

them to be wrong. You being town wouldn't phase me at all. I happen to think you are scum. Nothing has changed that read of you. That scumread has grown weaker, but still exists. If I'm wrong, nothing special. People are wrong all the time, and I'm certainly no exception to that rule. But I'm not going to make any progress if I automatically assume I'm wrong (there's a difference between expecting to be wrong and assuming you're wrong), so until my opinion on you changes, I'll continue to pursue you as scum.

so putting me at the bottom of a random list of names is all you were planning to do? Is that really it?

Never said that.
But yes, putting you at the bottom and not pursuing you is all I have planned for now.

I'll push you whenever I feel like pushing you.

Right now I prefer my attention more on GuiltyLion and Xtoxm than you, though.

my scumread on xtox is based on vague neta suspicions and his crap iso and his ateing

More or less, this. Xtoxm has a distinct difference between his town play and his scum play. I'm almost positive this is his scumplay.

How the fuck am I supposed to know why you read a person the way you do, OFF A FUCKING LIST WITH NO EXPLANATION.

Guess.

...I realize that sounds like a sarcastic response, but no, seriously. Just guess. Use your intuition, with a side of instinct, and try getting in my head:

why

am I townreading 3dice and pisskop so strongly? Why was RadiantCowbells also at that tier before he died. Why is Xtoxm a strong scumread, why is GuiltyLion a strong scumread, why is Some Random Mafia Player a strong scumread? Factors that you can use include timing (what post do I make the reads list at?), changes in the list (what posts are between the reads lists?), and what I quote (why am I quoting that and responding to it?).

You'd be surprised how effective it is.

[Ranger]

...Speaking of changes, I should mention: it was a mistake to say I would prefer to focus on GuiltyLion and Xtoxm more than Some Random Mafia Player.
I want to continue engaging GuiltyLion, but GuiltyLion right now would actually be the one of the three I'm least-interested in pushing as scum.

VOTE: Xtoxm.
Much better here.

[Ranger]

Because that's a big reason why I'm scumreading you, your posts look like they're trying too hard to look town.

Definitely not scum with Some Random Mafia Player. (Kinda wish this wasn't 2:1 so I could clear GuiltyLion altogether. Alas. Only

half

-cleared.)

I was in that exact slot of yours in the previous game. She thought I was the scummiest of all. Now if you're town you'll get over it and just show your true self and work your way up not only hers but everybody else's lists.

^What he said. It's already in effect, as shown by my switch in votes.

Especially a player like Ranger who has a consistent record of being a strong town player. In addition her reads have shown little or no development since her first list of page 3. Her response (or lack of) to my content has made me a lot more confident in my scumread there

Yes I have a consistent record of being a strong town player. I also have that same record of not explaining myself and largely sticking to my usually-very-accurate early intuition, both traits you are attributing to being scum indicators when you have two+ games' worth of experience proving the opposite: your walls in Suikoden did not sway me, as your walls here are not. I have said nothing on the subject because there is nothing for me to say. The read hasn't changed.

I'll admit: it's not as strong a read as I would like. Many of my reads are being thrown into doubt. I'll need to have a serious rethink on them. But right now, you're my best guess for scum.

[Xtoxm]

All of my posts as scum in Suikoden were one liners, lying about my meta won't get you far.

[Ranger]

So in the Almost50-Karnage spat, Karnage wins by a landslide.

Just sayin'.

[Ranger]

All of my posts as scum in Suikoden were one liners, lying about my meta won't get you far.

I remember quite clearly there were walls from your slot, and I thought it was PokerFace who said he was the one most not in the game between you.

I could be wrong there.

If it helps: you're actually not my current bet for scum, though SK isn't out of the question.

VOTE: Some Random Mafia Player.

[Ranger]

{pisskop}
{TheBuldge, Ankamius, 3dice, Karnage}
{Nosferatu, GuiltyLion}
{davesaz}
{Xtoxm}
{Almost50}
{Some Random Mafia Player}

...When I said Karnage won by a landslide, I

meant

it. Ankamius has done nothing to change my read, 3dice townread is slightly weakened but still remains, I'm almost at the point of demoting TheBuldge just for not doing anything but for now he stays, Nosferatu has been fairly town but not enough to reach that higher town tier, GuiltyLion is looking

much

better, Xtoxm's my current bet for serial killer, davesaz my backup pick for serial killer, and while I'm not sure, I

think

Almost50 is scum.
On the other hand, Some Random Mafia Player looks very strongly like scum to me.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

All of my posts as scum in Suikoden were one liners, lying about my meta won't get you far.

I remember quite clearly there were walls from your slot, and I thought it was PokerFace who said he was the one most not in the game between you.

I could be wrong there.

If it helps: you're actually not my current bet for scum, though SK isn't out of the question.

VOTE: Some Random Mafia Player.

so you switch your focus between Xtoxm to me without me doing anything? Please explain how that makes any sense.

[Ranger]

so you switch your focus between Xtoxm to me without me doing anything? Please explain how that makes any sense.

Because Xtoxm did something. :P