InuYasha Mafia (Game Over)

[ProHawk]

After outing Aronis as scum, he comes to the conclusion below.

That might make Prohawk town. If scum was trying to out the real doc, it's probably so they can get shards. Doc should be on Prohawk tonight.

On Prohawk, why fakeclaim doc out of the blue? They wanted to out the real doc to kill them and then Prohawk the next night for (a) shard(s). At least that's my theory. Why else do it? That claim was competely unprompted.

Y+B, Prohawk could steal shards from scum, keeping them in town hands. And I can understand why he'd steal notscience's as town, but I'll let him answer.

But still flings mud in my direction.

What's everyone's thoughts on Prohawk? Was Aronis trying to out a doc so they could kill him for shards? Or was it just a dumb random lucky moment? If the second, is Prohawk likely scum for stealing notscience's shard?

Now, although he can see town utility in my role (and I don't see any play related reasons he wants me dead), we get this:

Shos, I vote you vig Oversoul or Prohawk.

But the best is this piece of trash reason why I am scum...

Is this a slip of knowledge that scum have an onsite private topic rather than a quicktopic?

Note, he doesn't vote me here, but waits for a while, with no mention or comment of my valid defense.

This is not a town-train of thought. Out of all the 18 remaining players, he wants to lynch/kill me who he could see as town, whose role had perfect town-utility, and yet to him I am more likely to flip scum than anyone else (aside from maybe Oversoul). Also interesting is the fact that I have been wanting an Oversoul lynch for days and it doesn't even bother him in the least. It doesn't make any sense.

[ProHawk]

And you conveniently ignored the fact that a scum jewel thief already flipped, all the stuff I have done this game, and all the other people in this game. So wheredoes that leave things? Right, Either you aren't using your head, or you are scum. Care to explain the crumbs regarding Rheago?

[ProHawk]

BoP is putting in a heck ton of effort if they are scum, which I am not convinced of.

BBM's response to the pressure is pretty bad.

[ProHawk]

BoP is putting in a heck ton of effort if they are scum, which I am not convinced of.

BBM's response to the pressure is pretty bad.

This is false beyond false. I can name you ten players that put in a heck ton of effort as scum. I can name you tenfold more town that don't put in effort as town.

I don't think BBM made any response at all. Then again, there isn't any 'pressure' to begin with; I didn't bother reading BoP's 'wall of win' read list at all.

I'm not saying they are town because of effort, I am saying I like the analysis Titus has gone through the effort to gather info and make reads out of. If they are scum, they have put a lot of work into. This is nothing like scum Titus I had experienced.

[ProHawk]

Really provide an example where Scum A votes Scum B and Scum C then votes A on the same team Day 1. Until then Oversoul is conftown.

Titus, its a game of 15 to lynch on Day 1. How many votes did Oversoul get when the "chainsaws" happened? Do you honestly think scum care about voting their own when it takes 15 to lynch and they could easily hop off on a whim without taking any flak for it/only making it look good on a VCA later on down the road?

[ProHawk]

ProHawk, if Rhego looked like they had any experience whatsoever I might entertain that. They are very noob scum. Scum given their size, likely do not have daychat. Furthermore, it is near impossible to plan around VCA as it looks at votes plus context. That would require scum to know who will be alive or dead when the VCA is being conducted.

Uhh what? I thought actually things were pointing more towards scum with daychat than not.

[ProHawk]

aaaaaaaaaaaand he's out of the viglist.

Does this make you feel powerful? Just kinda makes me want to kill you.

[ProHawk]

Or because I am still on your vig-list and you are taunting it and survivalism and all that.

[ProHawk]

Maybe scum have an ascetic instead of a roleblocker.

Is this real?

[ProHawk]

Umm I dunno, maybe because Y&B claimed to have been ROLE BLOCKED and considering no one has claimed being a role blocker, it doesn't seem to be the logical conclusion that scum would have ascetic INSTEAD of a RB, but then again you think I am scum for stealing a shard so not entirely surprised.

[ProHawk]

I will be not part of a BoP lynch.

I want more people to vote ProHawk. Now.

Whatever happened to this?

I also found this hypocritical post from The Goat.

BB, why aren't you suspicious of The Goat?

*ping*

Oversoul, you've had four or five posts all game that even contained my name. You listed me as "could be scummy" with zero reasoning. Why on Earth would you ask someone else why they're not suspicious of me...when you've

expressed zero suspicion yourself?

That absolutely reeked of passive-aggressive scumminess.

*ping*

[ProHawk]

Whose vote is still on me by the way.

[ProHawk]

What in the blue hell are you yammering about?

Your passive-aggressiveness

P-EDIT: Nice try, you voted me before I said that.

[ProHawk]

Also, just to clarify since you obviously could care less about the explanation.... the shard pieces are fragments of a jewel from what I understand - which stands to reason that the fragments themselves aren't what grant powers, its the combination to make up the jewel since I was told to keep the jewel (all of the fragments) away from scum and not necessarily just one.

[ProHawk]

Goat, you voted me before I was talking about shards being powerless alone.

You also gave someone (Oversoul?) crap about having scum-read you when they had only mentioned you in a few posts. You are doing the EXACT same thing to me. Hence, hypocritical. You wouldn't even answer my request to explain your scum read. Just disappeared. When you did come back, you were on about other stuff other than me, despite your "fervor" and wanting a ton more votes on me. Am I being more clear?

TITUS! You can't chainsaw a wagon of three or two when you need fifteen to KILL SOMEONE

[ProHawk]

Not to mention the Abom wagon was mainly an RVS wagon IIRC

[ProHawk]

Earlier someone had said that they were for powering up roles like BB's, which doesn't make any sense given that his is the only role that seems to get anything from them. Prohawk had said that it's about completing the jewel, though.

This is the biggest thing I dislike about BB's claim.

[ProHawk]

There's been speculation for ages that scum get an ability when they get all the shards.

I just brought that fact up this game day I think...

[ProHawk]

The most probable scenario in a 30p game is that scum have a roleblocking role. There is no reason to believe the contrary... Unless you know that as a fact. You are desperate scum who has scumslipped. Game.

Would you be willing to lynch Egg on that?

[ProHawk]

Spoiler:

Robin

: "I'd never assume that! What kind of monster would curse their friend..."

Tharja

: "...Oh. Right. That would be crazy! Heh heh."

Welcome to Fire Emblem: Awakening Mafia, Saki. You are

Tharja, Neutral Female Childbearer Hexmage Inquisitive Serial Killer

.

Abilities:

Proposee

(passive): As a female, during the day you may receive proposals from male players. If you do, I will notify you of this and tell you the screen name (not rolename) of the proposer. You will have the rest of the day, plus the first 24 hours of night, to decide whether to accept. If you do, the two of you become a neighborhood.

Childbearer

(passive): If you successfully marry another player, your child, Noire, will enter the game the following day and join your family neighborhood. Unlike most children in the game, you know that Noire will by default enter the game as a Neutral player and will join you to become a miniature mafia. However, you also know that she is only guaranteed to share your alignment if your husband is Town. As such, marrying a town-aligned player is likely in your best interests.

Inquisitive

(semi-active, 1-shot): To help ensure you can find a town-aligned husband, you have a one-shot ability to investigate a player proposing to you (you may do this during the Day or during the first 24 hours of Night). You will learn whether or not your target was Town, and can then choose whether to marry him.

Hexmage

(active, night): You are a master of the dark arts and have learned a wide variety of curses you can lay on others for a variety of different effects. As such, at night, you may use any of the following powers in addition to your nightkill. You may use only one of them per night, and may not choose the same power two consecutive nights (you don't want to get bored, mixing things up is more fun).
Target takes one less vote to lynch tomorrow (can't use this if 6 or fewer players are living)
Target can't be protected tonight (may not also kill said player)
Target becomes an Ascetic tonight and tomorrow, so non-killing abilities targetting them will fail (yes, this prevents proposals)
Target cannot make proposals tomorrow
You become a Ninja tonight
Voyeur
Silence target for first 24 hours of real-time tomorrow
Target can't vote tomorrow (can't be used later than N4)
Roleblock (you may only choose this power once)

If you don't know what any of those abilities does feel free to ask.

Serial Killer

(active, night): Apparently Robin, with whom you are infatuated, is “straight”. Well, if you can't have her, then no one can! You never cared much about these Ylisseans and their “morals” anyways. Each night you may kill another player. You do not have a particular kill method (they will simply turn up as “killed”). If you die and Noire shares your alignment, she will inherit this ability.

You win when your faction (whether Noire is in it or not) comprises half the game (you explicitly know that you win all ties so long as you are alive).

You may confirm via PM now or via thread once I unlock it.

i wonder how likely it is ceph included a SK with unique modifiers here!?

That sounds an aweful more like Shos' role claim than mine don'tcha think?

[ProHawk]

so youre clearing him because you dont think scum would distance from each other with

15

to lynch D1?

This times 1,000,000,000.

Birds, why are you conveniently forgetting that Katsuki/Le Cupcake said they had role info clearing Lemniscate, which was subsequently ignored when questioned on and later resulted in a peace-out-replacement?

[ProHawk]

Meta changes. I am not being obtuse, I just really think your slot is scum.

[ProHawk]

Muffin, safe claims aren't randomized, Ceph even will write new fake claims for you if you ask nicely.

[ProHawk]

maybe for roles

i doubt he does that for flavour

otherwise he's basically required to give a long list of characters that aren't in the game

(also i linked this earlier)

Oh no, he Will write the flavor to fit the role you tell him you want, he Just won't guarantee the safeness of said role

[ProHawk]

Why aren't we lynching BBmolla again?

Titus, are you scum?

Anyone up for flash-wagoning this?

*hint* he hasn't placed a single vote this entire day.

[ProHawk]

VOTE: BBMolla

[ProHawk]

We have less than three days for anyone out there keeping track.

[ProHawk]

Flash on BeastCharizard

[ProHawk]

Some of us won't be here tomorrow.

[ProHawk]

When I get a vote count then I will vote.

Titus is probably scum though so it won't be hard for me to vote them.

Why do you think this is town Mhork?

[ProHawk]

I am sheeping you for the rest of the game. That just made this whole game for me. Not even joking.

I will have your head tomorrow.

[ProHawk]

The biggest thing that concerns me at this juncture is Birds blindness.

[ProHawk]

Titus, you are leaving context out of your 'vca'. You aren't looking at individual levels of votes and unvotes, just at mod's counts which miss things.

Go re-read Le Cupcake's posts right before Lemni got lynched. It looked ERRILY like a last-ditch effort to say "GUYS I AM APART OF LEMNI's MASONRY!" The problem was that right after he softed it, Lemni got two more votes with strong irrefutable arguments coming from AngryIece. So he had to play it off like it was nothing. Look at who votes Lemni after that fail of a soft-claim.... BBMolla, Gheists, Sven, notsci, Egg. (The latter two were post-hammer votes)

If any of the claimed puppets are scum, my money is on notsci.

[ProHawk]

Next, look at BeastCharizard. Since we are looking mostly at votes...

Vote Progression:

D1 -

Nero Cain (65)

, UNVOTE (335),

Rheago (545)

, UNVOTE (1127),

Always (1391)

,

Lemni (2389)

D2 - Neil (3221),
D3 -

Xofelf (5513)

,
D4 - None
D5 - BirdsOfPrey (8035), BBMolla (8060)

How does that vote-count even closely resemble town? Early vote on Rheago

only to unvote

less than 600 posts later. Early vote-on-scum cred... check. Push town... check. Lemni-bus late for cred... check. If there was a bus vote prior to the claim, it was this.

I think I saw somewhere someone was comparing the votes from Rheago suggesting voting targets being more town than others being that his first vote was Abomination (scum). The problem with this reasoning is all of his votes were vote hops. His vote on Abomination lasted about 200 posts/24 hours, BeastCharizard lasted 80 posts/1 hour, Iece lasted 160 posts/27 hours, Katsuki lasted 50 posts/13 hours, only to land on Lord Mhork until his replacement. He wasn't waiting for people to respond. His motivation was either to crumb being some sort of lie-detector, or creating enough wifom in vca, potentially both.

I will get some nice juicy BeastCharizard quotes when I get back.

[ProHawk]

A slot doesn't change alignment with replacements. But go ahead, enlighten me on why you unvoted.

[ProHawk]

I may be changing my mind on birds, I don't understand the absolute stubbornness of birds it makes zero sense.

[ProHawk]

maybe you are seeing a claim bc you think Oversoul is scum.

Lets play look at the picture and what do you see:

YAK

Oh right this was the game you were scum in this is kinda awkward... I guess reasoning with you would be pointless.

I'll put it simply that I have reasons to believe Lem's claim is not fake.

What reasons can you come up with as to why someone would think a claim is not fake?

[ProHawk]

Not BC. his poison proof claim before poison as a kill method was mentioned is super town. Sure, scum and SK know of it, but it locks him into that claim real early and who's to say he wouldn't have been CCed by town (which Scum/SK would also know that town probably has counters as well)

You fell for the "Can't be two town-JOATS" ruse didn't you?

What happened there? I guess you aren't too torn up about it. Pro-Tip: You can't really counter-claim anything in a closed setup.

My hypothesis is he is scum that can't be killed by the SK.

[ProHawk]

This post is kinda the tipping point for me. I think you just might be trying too hard to make sure that you can use the "but meta" argument.

Rhaego doesn't play to create wifom in vca. You are supposing that scum have a player deliberately throwing off the analysis, scum have daychat, Rhaego unquestioning went along with that, scum would have a player spend most of the day bussing, scum would stop bussing a large wagon to bus a smaller wagon.

I do not think so.

It is not merely a coincidence that scum pushed me on Day 5 which is the point I said my vca would be viable. Why shoot me if you can ml me?

If you look at Beast's vote on Rhaego, he voted Rhaego after a shitty vote on conftown. If scum had planned to bus for distance, why would they call a lot of attention to it. Why not do it when Rhaego was voting scum? Also that vote helped form the basis to get Leminiscate lynched.

Beast is not Bo7.

Do tell. Since you know what Rheago was doing when he was vote hopping. Why couldn't he have vote-hopped onto scum?

We have PLENTY of evidence that scum have daychat and yet you DENY that it even exists. ie: Where did Lemniscate come up with her claim? Why was she talking like she did have day-chat? What would be the point of scum trying to get people to believe they did have day-chat? The actions of flipped scum show they were trying hard to keep her from being lynched, which supports the premise that they were all ON BOARD with the claim. Also, last game I played with Cephrir as scum he gave up a role that enabled day-talk.

I want evidence of that Beast's vote helped form the basis to get Lemniscate lynched. If you fail to provide the evidence, I will vote for you to be lynched.

[ProHawk]

lol rhaegor remember that person voting me

vote: lem

I'm pretty sure the purpose wasn't to claim to be masons though.

Yeah... i'm not real sure what to make of that yet.

[ProHawk]

Did you consider it when making your case, or did I just bring it to your attention now?

No, I didn't consider it.

[ProHawk]

I mean, thinking about it, it was likely something that Katsuki had forgotten about because I feel like the claim was made last-minute without initial planning. But I am less sure than I was.

Squirrel Girl, did BeastCharizard's vote on Rheago cause you to push Lemniscate to the end? Titus, I need quoted evidence that someone voted Lemni because of this "horrible vote" you speak of.

[ProHawk]

No, BC's vote had nothing to do with my actions.

Keep working BoP

[ProHawk]

Also that vote helped form the basis to get Leminiscate lynched.

Here is BC voting Rhaego for terrible votes. His vote may not have caused people to vote Rhaego but his vote got people to pay attention.

You're changing your story. But I will keep playing. Who payed attention as a direct result of Beast saying Rheago was making bad votes? Quotes please.

[ProHawk]

VOTE: Birds of Prey

[ProHawk]

Can anyone here say that BeastCharizard was the reason you focused on Rheago?

[ProHawk]

Beastcharizard, please vote Titus

I need your vote. You need to trust that I am right.

- b -

I don't think Beast is town, good luck with that.

[ProHawk]

Or maybe because you aren't doing anything except whining?

[ProHawk]

My paranoia makes it hard for me to keep town reads, but there are people I don't want to lynch.

[ProHawk]

Are Egg and Prohawk scum now too? Damn!

Of course not, her VCA is never wrong.

I am just blinded by the idiocy of scum.

[ProHawk]

Going to wait for flips as well before diving in.

[ProHawk]

That is if NS flips scum. But Egg REEEEEALLLY wants me to flip scum, cause he will cry himself to sleep if he wasted a track on town.

[ProHawk]

You weren't this caring for someone who was "obv-scum" turned town...

[ProHawk]

So you still think I am scum?

[ProHawk]

VOTE: notscience

I have Oversoul and Beastcharzard as other scums.

[ProHawk]

So you still think I am scum?

Actually, no. I did some thinking last night.

^never mind. This depended on notscience being scum.

So let's flip notsci, his reaction was absolutely not town.

[ProHawk]

Why does no one care about this game

Shame.

I counter with length.

[ProHawk]

And I am saying we should flip notscience to pretty much clear me and force scum to kill me, or give scum a reason to keep me alive.

[ProHawk]

Essentially, his flip should help with sorting my alignment.

[ProHawk]

...

Okay I lied. I don't have a guilty, my investigation failed.

And I now don't have any better read on the notscience slot.

UNVOTE:

SIGH

This is me pretending to be BOP screaming at you from the grave for saying Titus was playing bad, when you failed to look into the mirror yourself.

[ProHawk]

Can you show me the post? I really want Y&B dead because I know they manipulated me.

This is a cop -out reason to lynch.

[ProHawk]

BB, why don't you want to lynch Notsci?

[ProHawk]

Lmfao you're so fucked when I flip town

I didn't realize what htis whole debate re: prohawk was even about

Now I get it

The better part is so are you if you flip town, so don't go crying about your crappy play because you can't be bothered to pay attention to the game.

[ProHawk]

You aren't voting anyone. You aren't doing anything but crying.

[ProHawk]

I bet it just tears you up that you got caught stealing my shard

You realize that crying over your lost shard was about as anti-town as you could get?

Also, do you realize that ffery said HS/Muffin should be lynched because of me?

[ProHawk]

These shards are transferred based on lynching/who kills us.

Was this in your role-PM?

[ProHawk]

Muffin, if you are undead, and know undead are scum, and have a fake-claim's with town-and-deamon in them its not a stretch to say "hey lets pretend demons are bad and say I am a miller" everyone will laugh at me, but I will get insta-not-scum-cred.

[ProHawk]

Remind me next time I play scum with you, so that I can snow-ball you FTW

[ProHawk]

Probably not scum but whatever.

If he isn't scum, who is?

[ProHawk]

I'm not as sure as I am with OS, but I am conflicted.

I wouldn't be sad to see a Dan flip

[ProHawk]

What are your thoughts on The Goat?

[ProHawk]

These shards are transferred based on lynching/who kills us.

Was this in your role-PM?

Yep, and it was obviously wrong once a "shard thief" flipped

I get shards, but wasn't told how they were lost. This is why I think you have a high likelyhood of being scum. I don't think shard-bearers were told HOW shards were lost.

[ProHawk]

it's actually possible they were since bop never actually explicitly mentioned they were told but seemed to know it was the case

i'm not sure if that was an assumption they were making or whether they just neglected to mention that when i asked them for information on it

Yes, but I did make the statement that I thought the mechanic was wrong. No one said for sure they knew differently. Although only Egg and Nero commented on it.

[ProHawk]

i doubt most people even read your posts

This is fact. Unfortunate.

[ProHawk]

Meta is dumb, and I have not once in my multiple games of mafia actually seen a case heavily based on meta actually be accurate. You sound extremely silly for defending it. I would ask you to provide me a link to one game where meta was used to nail scum down or I am calling BS on your fake ATE post.

[ProHawk]

I have seen a Meta case be right.

Link please

[ProHawk]

Were you not aware of the Day 1 lynch being primarily based on meta?

Is this the game where I replaced in on the last day, spent a whole week trying to read the entire game, only to be hammered by Nacho before being able to get my thoughts out?

[ProHawk]

Learned a new word today. Thanks Mhork.

[ProHawk]

I'm not sure I want to lynch Oversoul today. Doesn't look like anyone cares to lynch notscience. So, we should be lynching

VOTE: Beastcharizard

[ProHawk]

Lets go with no.

Says the man with no vote.

[ProHawk]

You've had 339 pages. Whatcha waitin on?

[ProHawk]

And while you are at it, I want to know why you think BeastCharizard is town sans "He wouldn't claim poison-proof as scum".

[ProHawk]

And who are you theorizing has the ability to poison?

[ProHawk]

MUFFIN! You stole my point. But yes, seriously would love to hear some reasons why he is town. He isn't scum-hunting. Like not even pretending. I think the only thing I heard was from Titus and that was because of his Rheago-vote / Rheago voting him.

[ProHawk]

Guys, the Oversoul lynch is way too easy

[ProHawk]

Guys, the Oversoul lynch is way too easy

it's taken two day phases

Its too easy today. The last two day phases I would say are pretty large victories for scum. Why mis-lynch someone who is generally quiet over someone who is actively analyzing things (BoP) and over a conf-guilty?

[ProHawk]

Aronis

[ProHawk]

At this point, its looking like AD and BC. But they weren't really "pushing"...

[ProHawk]

Dumb. We still have tons of time left.

[ProHawk]

Sad thing is none of my scum reads are voting for Oversoul...

[ProHawk]

upon review BC's posting is not the most awful thing in the world tbh.

Don't have time for a case, but this is not an accurate statement.

[ProHawk]

I thought your wagon felt way wrong.

[ProHawk]

Hey Kagami, you lookin for a shard or somethin?

[ProHawk]

Rest assured I am taking it from you.

[ProHawk]

Doubt it. I'm not telling you how many I got.

[ProHawk]

You'll just have to kill me to find out.

[ProHawk]

Hey all, I am kinda-sorta V/LA out of town unofficially because I am too lazy to do the work to make me V/LA. I see people don't like that I am not dead? If you want to run me up to L-1 or whatever and are going to lynch my anyway, I will out who did and didn't have shards, but at this point I am not going to give scum a number of how big their loot will or won't be.

[ProHawk]

I'm not sure what you are talking about but I am detecting some sort of sarcasm?

[ProHawk]

Why isn't Prohawk dead yet? He has many shards.

Is he working for scum? The ever question is: why Mhork and Kagami over Prohawk and Egg???


- b -

The best part about this post is its coming from the "confirmed-town". The confirmed-townie with bad reads isn't questioning why scum are allowing themselves to be PoE'ed, he is asking why they aren't killing the shard-holder/X-Tracker. We won't ever live this down if Titus was right about you...

[ProHawk]

I'm good lynching AD or Beast. Also I'm never mass claiming my actions unless I am legitimately about to be lynched.

[ProHawk]

Why not?

Give me one good pro-town reason to do so. I think last time we spoke it was to see who was scum based on not having shards or who was town based on having them?

[ProHawk]

Mhork white-knighted more than just Titus.

[ProHawk]

I haven't purloined anything from BBm if it makes you feel better although I considered it.

[ProHawk]

I don't think AD is town.

[ProHawk]

His vote park on me was garbage.

[ProHawk]

if shos shoots anyone other than oversoul, i'm gonna count that as a SK claim

also would really like it if (in the event of a bop town flip) prohawk targets oversoul and bb no actions

i just want to see what happens

though in all honesty if he's town and used his ability after taking a shard from noddy then he's either scum of some sort or using his role really badly

O rly?

[ProHawk]

did oversoul claim to have lost the shard

Nope, which was a large part in my doubting he was scum.

Also I really really hope these shards are just flavor cause no one is respecting the shards Kagami ahem.

[ProHawk]

Flavor?

Then that makes you, Goat, Abom, (everybody else shard related) Vanilla Townies then?

Not necessarily vanilla townies, just distractions. Its the same way magicians do their tricks, and it works in scum's favor. IE: "AD and others making the assumption that scum don't start with shards and therefore people who are known to have shards are town"

But it doesn't matter either way. People aren't being very secretive about it.

[ProHawk]

You are Wise. You should be called Young and Beautiful and Wise.

[ProHawk]

ProHawk, I'm still having issues with a shard thief being town. Your continual devaluing of the shards does not make me feel any better about that.

Sosorrynotsorry.

[ProHawk]

JSYK, they don't do jack squat for me.

[ProHawk]

ProHawk, I'm still having issues with a shard thief being town. Your continual devaluing of the shards does not make me feel any better about that.

Sosorrynotsorry.

vote: Prohawk

umadbro?

[ProHawk]

VOTE: BeastCharizard

He isn't town. Why we are letting him skate on role-claim is beyond me.

[ProHawk]

Ok? Are these like the shards in the anime that everyone was trying to collect? If so scum probably already have at least 1.

This is interesting...

[ProHawk]

There isn't a single thing I have done this game with any ill-intent

I'm not real sure what you mean here, but not having done a single thing this game is pretty close to the truth.

Just recently, you lynched BOP because you were sheeping people.
Then you want to lynch Y&B because of "manipulation".
You aren't looking at flips.
You aren't looking at associations.
You aren't making cases.
You aren't scum-hunting. Period.
IIRC there was even one day where you didn't vote a single soul.

Your role-claim doesn't make you town. You keep saying as scum you wouldn't have claimed poison-proof. Why not? If you were indeed poison-proof-scum, you claiming it to keep the SK from killing you and wasting a potential kill on town. You get to claim in the spirit of "the-most-town-intent-ever". What does a scum-poison-proof-role have to lose by claiming?

Tell me again how you are so town?

[ProHawk]

ProHawk, I'm still having issues with a shard thief being town. Your continual devaluing of the shards does not make me feel any better about that.

Sosorrynotsorry.

vote: Prohawk

umadbro?

Not particularly. Just thinking that the uncooperative shard thief is probably the best play.

Because scum usually live long being uncooperative am I right?

[ProHawk]

VOTE: BeastCharizard

He isn't town. Why we are letting him skate on role-claim is beyond me.

You aren't town.
.

You know what town players normally do with people they think aren't town? They vote them.

[ProHawk]

Town lurks all the time, town do nothing all the time.

If this were true, why play the game?

If you don't like solving puzzles and playing detective, why play the game?

I don't think you are town because you are putting forth no effort to solving the puzzle.

If you are scum, there is only one puzzle to solve (SK), and if you are truly unpoisonable you don't even have to solve that puzzle because you will outlive him. If you are scum, you only have to survive and up to this point the majority of people think your claim makes you town therefore you don't even have to pretend to be town to survive.

Finding things that are scummy...:
Voting Y&B because they manipulated you is scummy. Why? Because you aren't evaluating their play as a whole and are using an excuse to vote.
Voting BoP because Y&B called upon some pact is scummy. Why? Because you aren't evaluating their play as a whole and are using an excuse to vote.

It all goes back to my point that you aren't solving a puzzle because the puzzle for you is ALREADY SOLVED.

[ProHawk]

Oh yeah, you think I am not town, but aren't voting me... still...

[ProHawk]

I thought Y and B sent a message to BBMolla with a Mod-Confirmed innocent on YandB

[ProHawk]

Hey NS, You're given a gun, who is dead and what do they flip?

[ProHawk]

Too easy, everyone wants him dead already.

[ProHawk]

Have it ever crossed your mind that you are wrong about me? Obviously not.

Its only taken seven game days...

[ProHawk]

Oh, and I can help you with that. I am not confirmed town.

Why aren't you voting BB?

[ProHawk]

I've been the one saying he wanted him dead for the longest lmfao

I just ISO'ed you. You said you wanted him dead because ffery, made a few consecutive votes, nothing really substancial.

You were so good D1.

[ProHawk]

I just thought of something the other night. I am sorta interested in Muffin's flip cause of that tell where you go back and look/comment on your predecessors play, I forget the name, but Muffin fits that tell to a T when he was appalled that people voted for Shroomish after his claim of miller.

Anyway... I am liking this resistance to lynching Beast.

[ProHawk]

Amished. Thats the one.

[ProHawk]

Aww dang I suck.

[ProHawk]

Does anyone know when this day ends?

[ProHawk]

BBMolla said they were. So we don't really know for sure until Molla dies.

[ProHawk]

Majiffy help lynch beast

[ProHawk]

I should be like IC level confirmed so I don't see why anyone is voting me.

Because you can't be poisoned?

[ProHawk]

Dan and Muffin, please place a vote somewhere.

[ProHawk]

Be a little more passionate Muffin.

[ProHawk]

Why do people want to lynch Muffin again? I lost it all in the abyss of stagnation.

[ProHawk]

I at least like to pretend it is...

[ProHawk]

Prod request(s)??

Why aren't we moving this game anywhere?

[ProHawk]

me2

Why are you not voting anyone?

[ProHawk]

I'm not lynching Muffin. So either find some other compromise vote or tell me why you won't lynch Beast.

[ProHawk]

i actually dont think beast is all that likely scum

Why?

Also, you said you supported your lynch. Why wouldn't you self-vote in that case?

[ProHawk]

Am I a they now? Shows how much you have been paying attention, but that has already been established.

[ProHawk]

Not in any language I know of.

[ProHawk]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they

I am going to highlight a couple of things because you don't seem to grasp this linguistic concept and its a bogus excuse as to why you referred to me as "they". These are acceptable uses of singular they.

"Everyone returned to their seats."
"Somebody left their umbrella in the office. Would they please collect it."
"If a person doesn't want to go on living, they are often very difficult to help."
"The patient should be told at the outset how much they will be required to pay."
"But a journalist should not be forced to reveal their sources."

Here is your use of they.

"What about ProHawk? I think they have a good chance of flipping scum."

It doesn't fit. Not even close. But thanks for the English lesson of singular they which I was otherwise oblivious.

It is still scummy of you to try and come up with a bogus excuse.

[ProHawk]

I am not an indeterminate gender.
Pronoun: He.
Avatar of a Man.
You don't even get to use they for someone whose gender you don't know if you couldn't guess their gender based on looks alone. GO READ THE ANTECEDENTS.

Everyone. Somebody. A person. The patient. A journalist.

Prohawk is not an indeterminate gender. I see you speak oddly like this regardless, but you don't always do so, as you do use gender specific pronouns, at least you did when referring to Venmar. You may not be scum for this, I digress, but you still are scum.

P-Edit: I guess that could explain it, although the languages I am familiar in all are pretty heavily gender specific as opposed to English which isn't as much so I still find it odd.

[ProHawk]

Are we going to lynch scum?

No. We are going to no-lynch because everyone wants to be a lurk-sack. We have less than 24hours to deadline.

I would quick-wagon any lurk-sack that hops onto the map, which includes: ActionDan, The Goat, notscience. Prob not Majiffy nor Egg although both have been non-existant. I wouldn't be sad to see a BBMolla flip and would probably help with that. Won't help lynch Muffin, Y&B, or Kagami...

[ProHawk]

If someone can explain a good reason that NS suddenly has a shard again, I'll certainly listen.

I actually kinda like your push, and it makes sense given your role claim, but playing devils advocate, didn't BBM claim to be able to grant other people shards if he gets one?

[ProHawk]

I take that back, MuffinMan is being an absolute idiot for not trying to stay alive. And by idiot I mean anti-town. I would vote him as a last resort because I am still fairly confident he would flip scum.

[ProHawk]

........................

[ProHawk]

I take that back, MuffinMan is being an absolute idiot for not trying to stay alive. And by idiot I mean anti-town. I would vote him as a last resort because I am still fairly confident he would flip

scum

town.

[ProHawk]

A fairly confident read, yes as I am fallible. Had he been voting you or actually trying in the least I would be all-in-against it.

[ProHawk]

Hey B, reign in your other head.

[ProHawk]

As a matter of fact, I don't recall why yall voted for Muffin in the first place. Care to comment?

[ProHawk]

No, we are discussing why you hammered town. Now.

[ProHawk]

Hiding behind a "I'm a POLICY LYNCH GUYS"!!

Is pretty scummy to me. Could just be me though.

[ProHawk]

Yeah, kinda figured as much, well not the SK bit, but scum for sure.

[ProHawk]

Oh, you can tell us who you poisoned last night so we know who is dying tonight.

[ProHawk]

Prohawk, I need your opinion. On beast, and on ActionDan.

I think Beast is the wrong one on Titus' list, looks like scum. Smells like scum. Must be scum.

Not sure on AD really, I was just pretty frustrated at the entirety of the game day last game day.

[ProHawk]

Well Prohawk, that fully explains why Goat thinks that shards are useless... Or do you have something else in mind?

I don't get why you say this... I am the one that said the bit about shards being useless... Why else would scum keep me alive if they

want

need shards?


I might have an idea that will get me killed tonight but have to think it over a bit.

[ProHawk]

Also, unless anyone else can confirm getting shards randomly, or BBm can confirm the bit about ppl getting shards we need to follow Goats lead and lynch notsci

[ProHawk]

NS said he got a shard before Goat died. Also, do you know how many puppets you have under your control?

[ProHawk]

I killed someone who I was pretty sure was town so wrere probs in mylo

Any reason why you are keeping the ID a secret?

[ProHawk]

I thought PH was the SK.

Surprise! I am the shard thief.

[ProHawk]

O, I see. That's how ns got the shard; makes sense.

Hook line and sinker!

[ProHawk]

NS claimed to have gotten a shard yesterday, not today. Goat JUST died.

[ProHawk]

Still refusing to do anything worthwhile eh Beastie?

[ProHawk]

Still refusing to do anything worthwhile eh Beastie?

I found scum in you. How is that not worth while?

Because I am not scum... but by all means, continue to ignore the cool stuff going on all around you.

bc is honestly falling into a category of P.O.E scum in practically every scenario I can think of.

Final freaking-ly

[ProHawk]

BBM, if you want to consider me leashing you, I would like you to be a little more forthcoming.

[ProHawk]

Ironic question coming from scum-himself.

[ProHawk]

*Beasts Thought Process*

Someone is talking about ProHawk scum? This is my cue! Chime in! Continue to ignore recent claims and beat the same drum. Winning strat.

**

No I am not scum Molla. Don't ignore my questions.

[ProHawk]

Targets. I want to know why you aren't telling us who is going to die tonight ESP if you think they are town.

[ProHawk]

If there isn't any scum in the puppets, and you yourself aren't scum, then there are only three remaining choices assuming there are indeed three scum left.

[ProHawk]

One thing that may be wrong is that there are absolutely three mafia remaining. But my list would have you in it AD over Egg or Y&B.

Am I missing something in this puzzle that says NS, BBM, and Y&B aren't scum together?

[ProHawk]

He would if he knew there were people who could shard-cop.

[ProHawk]

did you mean to say BC instead of NS?

Not in this scenario

[ProHawk]

Why?

[ProHawk]

Ignore that, forgot Mhork was scum. Got it. I should really make a spreadsheet.

[ProHawk]

He told me he knew who his puppets are.

[ProHawk]

Why commute AD instead of undead cop for a guilty? A death of a townie should have helped you?

[ProHawk]

All of the puppets

[ProHawk]

But really, its Beast.

I actually don't think we can trust BBM's targets or results.

[ProHawk]

He did vote Beast before he was outed

[ProHawk]

He even said he commuted beast, which is why I'm getting the not to trust feeling

[ProHawk]

No, but a mislynch costs him the game just as much as it costs town the game, so I'm sure he wants a scum lynch badly enough that he'd vote Beast on a guilty.

There's no way for him to win anyway

[ProHawk]

BB makes me feel dirty which makes sense because he is scum. But I don't know anyone else I want to lynch at this point. ...

VOTE: beast

[ProHawk]

When you go to the underworld and see spoilers, you go. Humph, how did I not see that?

BBM HOW DID YOU STAY ALIVE?

[ProHawk]

Ceph, your super duper cool awesome scum-powers of death you create never cease to amaze me.

P-EDIT: Yeah Y&B, I literally went, "Oh yeah! Multi-Ball is/was a thing" when I saw the spoilers.

[ProHawk]

You guys could have gotten shards a lot earlier if you wouldn't have left me alive...

[ProHawk]

Did Ceph screw up giving Kagami only one shard from my death? That would explain the weirdness.

[ProHawk]

I deliberately played like shit and 100% wrong reads so that was believable that I didn't get killed

^ Is what all scum say.