Mini 563 - Fish Monkey God (ROCKS FALL EVERYONE DIES)

[QuantumFruit]

/confirm

Also, hi Ration.
And everyone else, of course - I just happen to be in another game with him.

[QuantumFruit]

In that case,

unofficial /cows Capricious

for not knowing the rules!

[QuantumFruit]

/cows Capricious

He should be less capricious.

Wow...I totally just imitated Justin's joke. I suck.

[QuantumFruit]

So, this potluck is a night-phase that will happen on Friday, correct? (I just thought I'd clarify, in case I was misunderstanding, or perhaps in case anyone else wasn't sure.)

/uncows

I feel awful for the base imitation. I apologize profusely.

[QuantumFruit]

If the images are in fact cloaks, which they seem to be, then mine is light blue, with larger darker blue and lighter blue splotches.

I don't know that it's suspicious that three people have purple. It might be the largest group, which could mean that they're the equivalent of vanilla townies. On the other hand, the fact that the first three were purple is a bit suspicious.

So, we have 3 purple, 1 red, 1 yellow, 1 blue.

What else do we know? We know that there's Emperor and his group is town. Do we know whether the Emperor has any special abilities? Also, there is the Dancing Squad - a mafia group - do we know how many there are and why exactly they attacked the Emperor.

Also, Capricious, what gave you the impression that there were two scum groups?

[QuantumFruit]

Sorry, missed that - the syntax was kind of confusing. Thanks.

No need for the sarcastic perhaps, though. I was simply asking.

[QuantumFruit]

I have my reasons.

Care to explain them?

Also, in saying this:

Hmm, so far indigo/purple seems to be the most suspicious color, seeing as how my cloak is the same color and shade.

Are you basically saying you're scum? Indigo/purple is suspicious because I'm indigo/purple. I know I'm scum, so they're scum if they have the same cloak colors. That was either a really stupid comment, or I'm misunderstanding it and you more so mean that because you have that color, they're probably lying (which is scummy).

[QuantumFruit]

It's okay, windkirby, I thought it was amusing. Problem is, that mini is on page 2 and this one is on page 4 - by which I mean, here, we've moved a bit past joke votes. Plus, Capricious kind of jumps on everyone. (I'm not saying that's a bad thing. It distinguishes him and I have yet to figure out how I feel about it.)

[QuantumFruit]

Well, if you're purple/indigo, doesn't that mean you're scum? Why would you admit to being scum?

Also, there are more cloak colors - yellow, red, and blue.

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Are you saying they're likely to be scum if they say that they have purple cloaks or if they have purple cloaks? Because there's a difference in that. For example, if you think they're covering up the fact that they have a different color cloak by saying they have a purple cloak (which others have had), then that's one thing.

On the other hand, if there is something in your PM that says you are scum (or infiltrating a scum group), then you have a definitive reason to say that they are scum, but it probably isn't wise to do so.

So which is it?

[QuantumFruit]

Maybe they're waiting for some significant breakthroughs before they chime in?

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Not really. My role pm says that my cloak is that color for a specific reason, and after i extrapolate that a bit, i came to the conclusion that other people with purple/indigo cloaks are scum. I could be way off the mark here and the entire thing could be coincidental, but so far nothing has presented itself to make me change my mind.

Does that mean you're infiltrating the Royal Dancing Squad, assuming purple is the Royal Dancing squad, which seems to be the case based on your assuming they're scum?

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Anyway, as far as the colors go - is purple with a turquoise stripe different from just purple? Because if that's the case, those people do all have different cloak colors. They're similar to indicate affiliation, but still all different. I don't know about this, but I'm not sure we should exacerbate the cloak arguments.

Also, does anyone know whether we're going to get more information about anything or does it just go from here?

[QuantumFruit]

Occult, that was the most productive post I have

ever

seen. Kudos to you. (This is the second most productive, btw.)

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Any good townie has a rope. Because I am a good townie, I do in fact have a rope. So .

Well, now I see why you were posting such productive posts, Occult - aiming for 666. How evil of you!

And by the way, andersonw, that was actually the fourth.

[QuantumFruit]

Pretty much. Non-players are posting more than players. Also, I really want to know why roffman is so adamant about indigo cloak colors being scum. But I guess we get no more explanation in that regard.

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@armlx: What does "SK/alt win" mean?

@Capricious:

I have privy information that your plan is bad.

Obviously, you'd say that. I think it's quite a bit strange that armlx introduced that option the way he did, but I can see why it would be very informative.
1. You started this whole cloak thing - your lynch could potentially either strip it of or grant it legitimacy.
2. If you're town, that probably means Ration also is, clearing his name.
3. We find out whether armlx is telling the truth or pursuing ulterior motives.
4. In general, lynching anyone would give us something to work with because right now we don't have much.
Why don't you explain why he's wrong?

Is the flavor trustworthy?

You

were

the first to suggest revealing cloak colors. Now you're dismissing it? That flip is a bit suspicious to me. I mean, you could have suggested revealing cloak colors so that we would think you were really pro-town and not suspect you, and then knowing that your cloak color is indicative of scum, dismiss cloak colors later.

FOS: Capricious

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@armlx: When I said find out whether you were telling the truth - I guess I more precisely meant whether you genuinely thought it'd be good for town to lynch Capricious or whether you wanted to do so so that you could get rid of him.

Also (and I think I accidentally lumped you and roffman in together somehow), we can find out whether roffman is telling the truth. If Capricious came out town, we could probably safely assume roffman was lying and likely to be scum.

@Capricious: I've thought the logic through. Discussing cloak color polarized us into focusing in on cloak color - maybe this is convenient for some players. Because you started that whole modality, I see this as a clear possibility. And now you dismiss cloak colors after roffman gives his claim - when it was getting into uncomfortable territory for you, perhaps. And you don't say roffman is "lying" - you say he could be "mistaken." I wonder why - trying to stay on his good side?

I agree with you as far as lurkers are concerned.

As for the technicality of "different" cloak colors, I'm wondering different to what extent. Because if one's indigo and one's indigo with a stripe, they're technically different, right? And different colors because one has a darker stripe. Since we can't see one another's images, I don't think we can draw the distinction.

[QuantumFruit]

I can see how that would be true, arm1x, but can you explain why exactly.

Is it because they could potentially figure out key power roles that way and kill those instead of just vanilla townies? Or did you mean something else?

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@Capricious: You say you wouldn't try to get on anyone's good side in a game of mafia unless you were scum - but that's what I'm suggesting, silly!

Exactly, we can't assume anything about indigo cloaks. If we lynched you and found out something direct about indigo cloaks, this would perhaps cease to be an issue.

Roffman is either lying or telling the truth. He can't be mistaken that he's a scum infiltrator. If he is mistaken, he can PM the mod and clarify. On the other hand, he could be mistaken that a purple cloak amounts to scum. He could have a purple cloak because he is a good guy and supportive of the good guys by infiltrating mafia. That's another thing we are not sure of.

@armlx: I agree with you on point 3. We have to figure out, though, whether roffman's cloak color would correspond with the good guys or the bad guys if he's infiltrating the bad guys. Because that could be interpreted either way. Lynching one of the indigos would help with that.

Also, the quote. I looked for it too, and I found it - it's in Post 2.

As the beams of light reappear, twelve people materialize on the ground, wearing unusual, different clothing; each one wears a different cloak, each a different color.

I don't know where the mod told us to "make of it what you will," though. That Capricious will have to find.

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I'm back as well.

I reread everything, and there's nothing really new to comment on, except for the clear contradictions in roffman's points (which people have already stated).

How does this color detecting program work, roffman? Is it something we all have on our computers or is it a special program? If it's something we all should have, then please tell us how to use it. In what format do colors come up? Would turquoise be abbreviated or something of that nature? Basically - explain the contradictions everyone's pointed out.

[QuantumFruit]

Hah. How come they're bad?

I see some validity too them. Perhaps a bit too dogmatically stated and self-interested, I'm not really sure, but there are contradictions in roffman's posts that we should discuss.

[QuantumFruit]

That's interesting. What made you decide to make it? I mean, I understand you're colorblind, but since it takes a lot of work, how often do you actually need something to decode colors for you?

[QuantumFruit]

Okay, first of all, I apologize that I've been gone. I got extremely addicted to Civilization IV and only now realized the error of my ways. So, moving on...

DizzyIzzyB13 - If you're so interested in the program maybe we could have him upload it to megaupload? Or wait, is that against the rules or something?

21st century scumhunting

This made me laugh. If we actually did that it'd be pretty damn hilarious. That'd be hardcore scum-hunting.

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Anyway, windkirby, if he's a Mafia Spy not a traitor (which was how I interpreted it),

Another variation is the Mafia Spy (a.k.a. Devil). This version does not know who is in the Mafia, but can investigate once each night to look for Cops or other power roles, that he can then try to expose during the day.

So, in any case, though, this role is scum-aligned. Why would he claim? That's ridiculous. Though if he's a miller, he'd have to be town-aligned. That's the bit that I see as incompatible. Though he doesn't necessarily have to be a stock role, it could be a hybrid of the two, after all.

[QuantumFruit]

Making progress, I see?

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This game is really slow. What's going on, guys?

Anyway, I think it needs to get going, so...

Vote: Capricious

. (Not a bandwagon vote, by the way, I just think lynching a purple cloak would be helpful in terms of information. Maybe get discussion going.)

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Why, mikeburnfire?

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Yeah, Capricious, what are you going on about? Why is this a bad thing?

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@mikeburnfire: I don't find the slip especially portentous - the purple cloak, the attacks based on flawed premises - that's what bothered me. (just thought I'd address that)

@Capricious: Okay, I think I believe you. Any theories on why roffman is misled, though? Like, what would lead him to be misled? Are you saying town people have purple cloaks so if roffman's town he has a purple cloak (logically, in terms of camouflaging into scum, wouldn't really work - but who knows?...)? What is the alternate scum group called?

For now,

/uncows: Capricious

. I don't especially want this fellow to get lynched at the moment; not that he's in danger any more.

...As to roffman, perhaps he's gone somewhere? I'm in another game with him and he hasn't posted in a while (though I can't remember whether he's dead or not ).

[QuantumFruit]

I'm not saying purple cloaks are town, I am saying without any other basis, they are equally likely to be scum as any others.

But we have some evidence, either one way or the other, but we must figure that out.

As far as the alternate scum group - how do you know it's a scum group? Does it say "You have find out who's a member of the alternate scum group?" in your role PM? That seems a bit unlikely in this game. Needs more color.

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Also, I had an idea about Cap's claim. Don't you guys find it kind of strange that it's only an "alternate scum group" not the Dancing Squad? What if there isn't actually this alternate scum group, but we believe Cap and think there is (conveniently, Cap does not know the name of this alternate scum group). It becomes a plausible role claim and the real cop role cannot truly counterclaim if they can investigate to find Dancing Squad.

I don't know what I think of that idea yet, but I thought it was something to think about.

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@windkirby: Why do you keep flopping about? It's very jumpy and it's almost like you're afraid of getting caught or something. Strange.

Despite this, I do want to see what happens with a Cap lynch. It would reveal a good amount of information and despite what windkirby says/votes, I don't think a Ration lynch would reveal as much information.

Let's find out about this cult group and the indigo cloaks and all in one swipe.

/cows: Capricious

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Also, I've never been in a game with a cult, so could someone please tell me what happens after the cult leader dies. Do cult members become townies or scum (whichever they were to begin with) again?

[QuantumFruit]

I see what you mean; that makes sense. Thanks.