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sup nerds and LUV and Alisae head
ok that image has been quoted enough times now
I'm also a 1-shot cop so our roles directly conflict therefore I must destroy you
VOTE: James3She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Looks like conf bias to me. Considering 6 players had posted so far, one was an ego poster not in the game yet, one was you, and 3 of the remaining 4 were voting you, I don't think you looked hard to lynch, so what makes you think the motivation behind Grey head's unvote was that you're hard to lynch?In post 57, James3 wrote:And that Grey is unvoting me now that he realized it'll be hard to lynch me, only further shows that the push was opportunistic and therefore indicative of his being scum.
pedit:well Grey's already explained the unvote I guess. Answer anyways if you could though, it'd be helpfulShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Oh well that's my bIn post 69, Land of Xanth wrote:
I voted him because I thought your CC was serious.In post 65, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Alisae head voted you iirc
I unvoted him because yours wasn't and his was.
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Time will tell on the cop claim I guess but regardless of it's validity James isn't a lynch priority today.
pedit: LUV I don't think it would be clear to everyone that my vote on James was a joke and not a real cc. Maybe some people would think it's a joke without past experience with me but even people I've played a couple times with I don't think wouldknowimmediately that my vote was a joke and not a real CC. You don't have to believe his claim but he's not getting lynched today (or tomorrow because timeshift mechanic,which btw seems super dope thanks for hosting mod).She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Woah I didn't even notice Comm since he was in and out so quickly, pretty sure I replied to him earlier too.
I can get down with that for now, better than not voting
VOTE: CommKnight
pagetop?
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What I meant was we won't lynch him today or tomorrow because we need his result and he can't get that until D3In post 117, D3f3nd3r wrote:@Ssbm (78): The lynch mechanic works as normal, there's no delay between lynch and death. It only affects actions. Thanks though
@Land of Xanth (85) The game is not Bastard.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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He was doctor in his only other game on site and he claimed he was either doctor or BP at the start of D2 (newbie game) and won
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This must be what it feels like when someone who doesn't know Michael Jackson died finds out Michael Jackson diedIn post 163, Vifam wrote:How are you guys playing Yu gi oh when dueling network shutdown
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Comm why are you rolefishing for a fuller claim from him if you have the ability to check his role yourself?In post 187, CommKnight wrote:However Tywin, the problem that arises from his ability is that it's basically a Sheriff good/evil check of a single person. Unless it is unblockable/can't be messed with in any way, then I doubt that role. It would've made more sense to have me be limited shot and him be non-consecutive balance wise, but since that's not the case I doubt the claim in its' entirety. Because the role itself cannot be proven without his death and his target has 2 chances to die before we even know they're innocent! (3 if you count the lynch possibility).
That just doesn't add up in my head. It sounds too much like an easy scum claim and if anyone thinks logically I believe they can come to the same conclusion. It just DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. I mean I could just shoot in the dark and say Tywin is town. Whether or not that's true, you wouldn't know unless me or him died and even then one cleared townie over a majority chance of him being scum is just too damn high.
The mod also said it isn't a bastard set-up so why would he have a cop that cannot prove himself unless I check him and confirm his role or he or his investigated target dies.
The only argument I can think of is if he somehow manages to find scum with his one-shot then when he dies after he outed his result anyway then we get one confirmed scum. That's a low possibility.
Just... for 1-shot in a game this size, the only claim I could really believe is if it's immune to being messed with/blocked or if it was from a JOAT with multiple 1-shot abilities (which he did not claim).She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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In post 206, Land of Xanth wrote:{Tywin Lannister, ssbm_Kyouko}
{James3, CommKnight}
{KainTepes, TheFuzzyLogic99, Skelda, SlySly, Gamma Emerald}
{LilUziVert, Zekromaster, PeregrineV}
{Vifam}
{Pepchoninga}
Not posted yet:
Narna
Harp
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That was close, my heart stopped when I thought Alisae was actually TRing me, he never TRs me
1.)Would you believe him if he made a new claim that he said was his full role? If not I don't see how it would be a waste of your role.In post 199, CommKnight wrote:
1.) That'd be a major waste of my role.In post 197, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Comm why are you rolefishing for a fuller claim from him if you have the ability to check his role yourself?
2.) He's already outed himself, if there's more to his role, then he should claim so when he's being called out.
3.) He's scum.
2.) Do you think that would be beneficial to town?
3.) What makes you so sure? You could prove he was fakeclaiming by checking his role, and if he doesn't give you a result that indicates he had a town-motivated reason to claim 1-shot cop you could lynch him then.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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KAIN TEPES posted a cipher claim, ciphers are against the rules (encrypted text) so he was force replaced. Not getting modkilled is NAIIn post 276, Tywin Lannister wrote:In my experience, someone that gets booted by a mod and not mod killed end up flipping scum, since mod killing them D1 hurts game balance.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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On second thought nah, I think he's big chillin for now
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Gonna do some rereading
What did you mean by this?In post 17, James3 wrote:There's this thing called Random Town.
Why ask me if I know of your game history if you only have 1 game on site from before I even joined? It should be apparent that I don't know your game history without asking, so what was the purpose of this question?In post 18, James3 wrote:Okay I need to figure out if you're stupid, ignorant, or scum. So tell me ssbm, what if anything so you know about my game history?She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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There was only one other person voting Sly at the time Tywin voted and it was Xanth. Who are the "others" (In post 264, Skelda wrote:Meh, it could be SlySly. I mean, he hasn't done anything particularly redeeming.
Most scum that I've played with would withdraw in this situation rather than doubling down, so I'm not scumreading him super hard, but it seems possible-ish. I dunno. I can definitely conceive of Town thinking the way that SlySly is, it isn't this super outlandish thing like some of you guys are making it out to be.
I think Xanth is Town and I'm for sure not Townreading Tywin, I'm going to keep my vote on Uzi though.His recent vote on Sly felt a little desperate and like he was just agreeing with what others had said to get off the hook.plural) and what did they say that Tywin agreed with? Tywin gave his own reasoning for voting Sly. I didn't notice Tywin was on the hook for anything, what did you think he was on the hook for?She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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In post 64, James3 wrote:Also, here's another bit of flagrant dishonesty from Grey. He purportedly unvoted me because he realized that my cop claim was serious. But his original reason for voting me was that a had "responded with meta" to a CC. But if, as Grey claims to have thought, my claim were not serious, then I would not have actually been responding to a CC. So Grey has admitted that he was either being dishonest in his original reason for voting me, dishonest in his reason for unvoting, or both.
I read Comm's post again when I got home and thought a bit more about it instead of just reading and swallowing it like I did this morning (was rushed, getting off the bus to go to work). I had second thoughts. Rereading now though it looks like my third thoughts will be of scum!Skelda. We'll see. Quite a few slots have yet to post at all, one slot only ego'd.In post 351, Land of Xanth wrote:Kyuoko why did you unvote Skelda again?
Also SlySly me and Grey are fully aware that he's 1-shot.
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So far thinking SlySly, James, Tywin, Xanth, Comm, and LUV are all town. Need more from the prods, pep, zekro, harp, ramcius. Don't know what to make of Vifam or fuzzy yet. Vifam I'mfeelingtown but I don't know them or how they play and whether the things I think they may be town for are AI for them or not. Scumreads are PeregrineV and Skelda atm.
Don't like the way Peregrine criticizes both Comm and James here:
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So, given the disadvantage of claiming cop right away, and the fact you could be fakeclaiming as scum, you understand if we ignore the bit of self-meta that you always claim day1, and any reasons you gave for it. Right?In post 152, James3 wrote:
I fakeclaim as scum obviously.In post 151, PeregrineV wrote:
What do you claim if you are scum?In post 148, James3 wrote:I always claim day one. It provides ample information for me to read people off of.
I feel like he should be leaning towards believing at least one of them since scum aren't likely to be CCing each other, but it looks more like he's sat in the middle.In post 258, PeregrineV wrote:
You are claiming a role that is much more beneficial for scum to have than town, so I don't buy any arguments that your role and a cop role (even X-shot), can't exist at the same time.In post 169, CommKnight wrote:
You know, I actually really want to check the hyrdra's role. Just because of how defensive they've been of a 1-shot cop. I've already claimed the pointlessness of a 1-shot and now I've even CC'd.In post 167, Land of Xanth wrote:
Do you seriously think for half a second that there isn't a second investigative role if you're a 1-shot cop?In post 165, James3 wrote:Okay, so Comm is confirmed scum.
UNVOTE: Xanth
VOTE: Comm
If he really were cop he would've immediately CCed.
This shit is redonkulous. No investigative claims are getting lynched on day fucking one.
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Now, I can believe there's other investigatives out there, but a cop? Maybe, maybe not. A 1-shot cop at that? Hell no. I'm sticking to my guns with this one. I can believe a Tracker, a Watcher or some other claim. But 1-shot. Nope, he receives the bullet train to the noose today.
This is a simplification and discredit of Tywin's vote and I think Tywin's town. He's also trying to direct Tywin to talk about what he wants Tywin to talk about, rather than talking about the reads lists himself. If PerV is scum I could see myself being wrong on SlySly.In post 261, PeregrineV wrote:@Tywin- Except that your vote and rationale boils down to a OMGUS vote. Would rather see attempted discussion by you of either Xanth or SlySly early reads list.
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That's just a response to vifam voting narna in RVS. Skelda doesn't seem worth voting right now so I'll come back to that.
VOTE: PeregrineVShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Narna hasn't read the game yet, it's just reacting to what they've seen so far. And peregrine is my second choice but and Skelda I don't think is going to react to pressureShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Peregrine suspicions^In post 357, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Don't like the way Peregrine criticizes both Comm and James here:
In post 257, PeregrineV wrote:
So, given the disadvantage of claiming cop right away, and the fact you could be fakeclaiming as scum, you understand if we ignore the bit of self-meta that you always claim day1, and any reasons you gave for it. Right?In post 152, James3 wrote:
I fakeclaim as scum obviously.In post 151, PeregrineV wrote:
What do you claim if you are scum?In post 148, James3 wrote:I always claim day one. It provides ample information for me to read people off of.
I feel like he should be leaning towards believing at least one of them since scum aren't likely to be CCing each other, but it looks more like he's sat in the middle.In post 258, PeregrineV wrote:
You are claiming a role that is much more beneficial for scum to have than town, so I don't buy any arguments that your role and a cop role (even X-shot), can't exist at the same time.In post 169, CommKnight wrote:
You know, I actually really want to check the hyrdra's role. Just because of how defensive they've been of a 1-shot cop. I've already claimed the pointlessness of a 1-shot and now I've even CC'd.In post 167, Land of Xanth wrote:
Do you seriously think for half a second that there isn't a second investigative role if you're a 1-shot cop?In post 165, James3 wrote:Okay, so Comm is confirmed scum.
UNVOTE: Xanth
VOTE: Comm
If he really were cop he would've immediately CCed.
This shit is redonkulous. No investigative claims are getting lynched on day fucking one.
-G
Now, I can believe there's other investigatives out there, but a cop? Maybe, maybe not. A 1-shot cop at that? Hell no. I'm sticking to my guns with this one. I can believe a Tracker, a Watcher or some other claim. But 1-shot. Nope, he receives the bullet train to the noose today.
This is a simplification and discredit of Tywin's vote and I think Tywin's town. He's also trying to direct Tywin to talk about what he wants Tywin to talk about, rather than talking about the reads lists himself. If PerV is scum I could see myself being wrong on SlySly.In post 261, PeregrineV wrote:@Tywin- Except that your vote and rationale boils down to a OMGUS vote. Would rather see attempted discussion by you of either Xanth or SlySly early reads list.
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It was already posted like 3 pages ago
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I was just rereading and catching up to give my answer to TTTT and I just realized how fillery a lot of the last few pages felt. Pep/Ramcius is too genuine to be theatre I feel, I finally absorbed PerV's 451, which I think is a good catch but at the same time Harp appears painfully new. Join date indicates newbie or possibly an alt, but harp having no avatar points towards new. That said, Harp was using that acronym "NOC" setup so they're probably not new to mafia, just new to this site.In post 529, Vifam wrote:I just meant in general like whats been going on in the last five pages
@Harp, what's your experience with mafia?
@TTTT, gamestate fmpov is that scum are on the outskirts right now. Mostly the same as in my 357, only with more null slots sorted. Haven't flipped any of those reads yet
TRs on the first 6 remain unshaken. Pep and ramcius are also town I think. Fuzzy is in the lynchpool for me now with how little they're willing to post, and Vifam I still don't know what to make of. Harp is a scumlean for me now upon taking in PerV's 451. Narna my gut is telling me is town. I'd lynch within [TTTT, PerV, Skelda, Harp, Vifam, Fuzzy, Zekromaster] right now but a lot of those slots are low content and could be cut out of my lynchpool pretty easily.In post 357, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: So far thinking SlySly, James, Tywin, Xanth, Comm, and LUV are all town. Need more from the prods, pep, zekro, harp, ramcius. Don't know what to make of Vifam or fuzzy yet. Vifam I'mfeelingtown but I don't know them or how they play and whether the things I think they may be town for are AI for them or not. Scumreads are PeregrineV and Skelda atm.
I'd actually feel best about a Harp lynch after posts like these:
With this post there's already the analysis PerV presented, but I feel like asking the bolded alone indicates Harp isn't comfortable making his own decision about who to vote. That points to scum for me.In post 355, Harp wrote:Alright just got caught up, can we not lynch someone for suggesting claims?
Also can we not claim in general because that's dumb af in this form of setup. If anything claims shouldn't be done till cycle 2 at the earliest since that's when results start coming in. Right now it seems like a ton of speculation and "scumslips" that could be associated as nothing but idk.Is there any reason to vote for anyone yet
This post is kinda scummy too, specifically where he asks Ali what Ali wants from him, and the excuses for not scumhunting. He again repeats himself asking for a reason to vote someone which I went over in the previous post's analysis.In post 358, Harp wrote:What do you want from my exactly? It's really hard for me to try and gain some sort of meaningful interaction despite there being 15 pages due to how its a NOC setup and the only way to get something going is a really obvious scumslip or a CC neither of which really happened I believe? If it did, mind directing me to said post(S)? Ty
I think there's really poor reasoning in this post that leads Harp to a poor conclusion. This isn't scummy, but what I find wrong with this post is the very end of it where he just posits that one or the other is scum but "I don't know which, so good luck finding which one! I'll just be over here not scumhunting!" Like, it looks like a good thought process but he just trips over himself at the end, like he was trying to appear towny but his genuine scumhunting lead him to a conclusion that didn't line up with what was in line with his agenda so he forced it a bit at the end there.In post 366, Harp wrote:
See I find both people in said post dumb af.In post 359, Land of Xanth wrote:Well a good place to start would be your reads.
Tho you're concerning me that you're waiting for a scumslip for some reason...Why are you waiting for that?
Also look at 159
-Ali
There is no reason to claim cop day 1 period. There is no tangible benefit except to supposedly avoid a lynch but even then a desperation cop claim is stupid, the second thing is someone CC'd that claim. If anything. it's better to just take the 50-50 since one of them are bound to be scum.
If you're town then you're bad for painting a target on yourself for claiming cop and getting mafia to kill you.
If you're mafia then you're still bad for being the #1 target for inspects and being easily exposed.
Lose lose either way.
The CC honestly just forces a 50-50 as for who,I don't know really so have fun there.
VOTE: Harp
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He was talking about my 1-shot cop claim which was a joke in the first place and says me saying it was a joke is scum backtracking. Wrong about me but not misrepping anything there. Also don't see how it's scum-indicative to say someonecanbe scum, that's towny wording, indicating he doesn't know James' alignment. Of course that's easy enough to fake so it's no reason to say he'd definitely town I just think that SR is shallowShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Oh yeah meant to reply to that too (the question about why I voted before waiting for the answer) but I didn't like your SR worse than I didn't like that comment. That's just what I do. When I think someone's scum I vote first and ask questions later sometimes, especially when the player is nowhere near being lynched. I also wrote most of that post before rereading the recent part of the thread. I wrote this much:In post 532, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
I was just rereading and catching up to give my answer to TTTT and I just realized how fillery a lot of the last few pages felt. Pep/Ramcius is too genuine to be theatre I feel, I finally absorbed PerV's 451, which I think is a good catch but at the same time Harp appears painfully new. Join date indicates newbie or possibly an alt, but harp having no avatar points towards new.In post 529, Vifam wrote:I just meant in general like whats been going on in the last five pages
@Harp, what's your experience with mafia?
Then went and reread to address TTTT's question. That's when I saw PerV's post about Harp that piqued my interest and then I ISOed Harp and noticed about half of their posts pinged me and then wrote my case and tacked on the "That said..." part of my post to the top half because when I read the ISO I remembered Harp was using "NOC Setup" colloquially which indicates to me he has enough experience with Mafia to make his behavior so far inexcusable by his experience alone. I still want to know his experience though, and I'll explain why after he answers, but not before because I don't want my explanation of my question to affect his answer.
As for me walking back my claim: There's the argument that Comm brought up. A 1-shot cop in a 17 player large theme is pretty weak. If there were multiple 1-shot cops it may make more sense to some from a setup spec perspective. SlySly actually cites that as part of the reason he believed the claims. I think your reading is too focused on individual posts and not taking in the whole game here. I'm all ears for a more developed SlySly case I'm just not going to sheep something that shallow anytime soonShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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PerV has a few reasons spread across his posts if you ISO him, my case is in my vote post as usual, TTTT is sheeping meIn post 563, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Just ISO'd Harp, he's null for me. Why are a few of you scum reading him?(or is he sheeping a scumbuddy PerV and hiding behind my majestic beard? Only time will tell.)She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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In post 580, Vifam wrote:I keep thinking ssbm and kyouko are different people it's very confusingwhen I readIn post 563, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Just ISO'd Harp, he's null for me.Why are a few of you scum reading him?
So are you reading or not?In post 566, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
PerV has a few reasons spread across his posts if you ISO him, my case is in my vote post as usual, TTTT is sheeping meIn post 563, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Just ISO'd Harp, he's null for me. Why are a few of you scum reading him?(or is he sheeping a scumbuddy PerV and hiding behind my majestic beard? Only time will tell.)She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Hmm, if no wagons grow, I think it indicates town is either horribly wrong about the wagons that are going (TvT), or scum don't want to bus a partner. Either way, scum are lurking outside of the current wagons. We should run some up if they don't step up imo, decent chance lurkers are scum in this gamestateShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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I agree with Zekro town after 616 actually, I didn't really like the slot before that.
For the record, in response to 616 (that's you Zekro) I think that if James has a reason beyond meta to be claiming D1 then it would be anti-town to discuss it and I discourage James from responding to that question.
Turns out he already answered, oh well. It was meta all along.
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lmao "townblock," are you even reading me? It's my lynch pool.In post 658, Land of Xanth wrote:
Shit townblock considering PV is voting for Harp Slot along with you.In post 653, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:[Narna, Vifam, Skelda, PerV, Harp, Fuzzy]
What's your read on us and why?
I'd put you at least at townlean right now, probably at town. Early posting around RVS and James/Comm claims looked town-motivated, I've yet to be pinged by any of your posts as far as I can remember. Tone feels right too, and you're interacting with a lot of players without tunneling too hard on Sly. scum!Grey tunnels in my experience but this admittedly could be Alisae head making it harder to see. I don't think that's the case though.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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How is CommKnight a null to you? He may be non-lynchable right now for his claim, but null? Just because we probably won't lynch him today doesn't mean you don't have to sort himIn post 665, Ramcius wrote:
Sooo, you telling i'm faking scumhunting, when i could lurk like half people in here without getting attention? And how my logic flawed? Rolecop easily can be scum role, and you not conf rolecop, it's only early claim, so i have no reason to TR you, you a non lynchable nullIn post 659, CommKnight wrote:
It's called his scum-block ya goon.In post 658, Land of Xanth wrote:
Shit townblock considering PV is voting for Harp Slot along with you.In post 653, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:[Narna, Vifam, Skelda, PerV, Harp, Fuzzy]
What's your read on us and why?
Also Ramcius is definitely more scummy than not. Something tells me he's a scum-PR with how busy with scum hunting he's trying to LOOK.
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I don't like that Pep is considering that precisely 1 of the 2 roleclaims we have are scum. This is also part of the reason I'm SRing Harp but I didn't realize Pep was doing it too before rereading this ISO. He's also misunderstanding that a Rolecop does not funtion at all similarly to a Cop.In post 231, Pepchoninga wrote:
Im Poking him, while still applying pressure. He seems to be very sure in what he does. Tho for now it is not resonable to lynch him, considering we might be wrong.In post 228, Land of Xanth wrote:Also when it comes to Pep, the reason why Me and Grey are SRing him is mostly because we don't like how he's poking at James but he doesn't want to lynch James today.
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Tho Comn's role makes a bit more sense with this game in particular. I do doubth there are 2 cop roles tho. A watcher or any other investigative role possible, but not another cop.
I kinda doubth that both of those roles are town.Spoiler: Mechanics explanation for Pep
I really disagree with how Pep came to his Tywin TR and this reads to me like Pep is setting themselves up to vote SlySly if the wagon gains more traction, because he knows Tywin/Sly are TvT. Also, if the basis for this "Strong TR" on Tywin is the questions Pep likes, then I feel that Pep should have a more intensely strong SR on SlySly that would elicit a vote from Pep. Yet, there is no vote. This seems awkward to me, and I think LoX is dead on about Pep being cautious scum here.In post 464, Pepchoninga wrote:
I dislike the questions but I dislike the answers even more. Twyin is definitely a strong TR for now.In post 346, SlySly wrote:
Click Timeshift Mafia III. Go to page 1. Scroll to Post 8. Who posted it? That's a post that's not deleted. Hmmm, that contradicts what you said. Hate me for dealing in facts.In post 342, Tywin Lannister wrote: Again, his post was deleted. You're arguing semantics. You know exactly what I meant. Why play coy?
I'm not scum. My angle is a town win. I don't have any scum buddies.In post 342, Tywin Lannister wrote: Also, yes, I believe you're scum and the only reason you'd TR a slot that doesn't make any sense to have any read on (other than null) is due to that. I also want to know why you'd be playing the way you are as scum. You're practically admitting it, and I can't figure out why. Is that direct enough for you, or do you want to continue talking about how I should word things differently, even though you fully understand everything I say to you?
Here, let me be even more direct and down to the point for you:
Are you scum?
What's your angle?
Who are your scum buddies?In post 473, Pepchoninga wrote:
He's just butthurt.In post 379, Land of Xanth wrote:
Ongoing games don't exist.In post 363, Ramcius wrote:Pep (no hard feelings from large, just he plays so god awful)
With that said, why do you not like Pep.
We don't like Pep cuz he picked at the claim but doesn't want to lynch James so that just seems wierd to me
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Anyways, claim doesn't seem right to me. It's early to speculate who from the 2 is scum and there is a chance that James is town that fakes his role. All in all, I belive thst just because he might not be the lynch today it doesn't mean we shouldn't poke at his claim.
And this post asking James to push the Sly wagon. Pretty sure a scum!Pep flip clears James and Sly, also I feel like instead of asking someone else to push Sly (who Pep very probably should be strong scumreading based on 464), Pep should have just voted SlySly by now.In post 642, Pepchoninga wrote:James stop role fishing please. If you want the claim, help people get on the Sly wagon.
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@Mod, I noticed in Timeshift Mafia II, InflatablePie was a 2-shot Roleblocker that was not Timeshift modified. He submitted his block on Night 2 (meaning it would resolve on Night 3) and was lynched Day 3, but his roleblock still resolved despite the fact he was dead.
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No, KAIN TEPES posted a cipher as his crumb. Town or scum could do this if it was a real crumb, but it was probably just a bunch of random letters/numbers. Encrypted text is not allowed though so he was force replacedIn post 686, Zekromaster wrote:Very fast post to say something I noticed while thinking about this game instead of studying this morning at school. KainTepes sent a coded message, that's why he was force replaced, right?
So, the only post from KainTepes is something that while being totally useless as town (as you don't have any chance to organize with someone to make them understand the code unless you've got some private chat with them) is "great" (well, if you don't count the risk of being forcibly replaced revealing to everyone yours was a secret code and thus showing your alignment) if you're Mafia.
So, Ramcius/KainTepes is a pretty scum slot. The single post from KainTepes looks like it's nothing (It's entire content was deleted, after all) but the sole fact that the post EXISTS makes the slot scum.
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He was force replaced for encryption. I'm of the opinion that he spammed some random letters as a joke b/c of James asking everyone to claim and because KAIN TEPES
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Is this directed ata havingfitz or ramcius? seems ramcius for who's quoted but I could see it being hf too :/In post 808, Land of Xanth wrote:
You're not scum hunting.In post 799, Ramcius wrote:why vote him? He's V/LA pretty much till deadline, your voting pattern is weird, first empty slot, now person that just announced V/LA
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Reason to stay on Pep wagon: Pep leaving for V/LA doesn't change what he did before he left for V/LA.
Why he's my top SR: 670
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IGMEOUIn post 850, Ramcius wrote:we most likely lose someone tonight,She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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He played on ToS Forums, username James2. Very weird looking site, probably not worth looking into imo. I checked it out to verify that he usually/always claims D1 and that checks outShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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I checked because I was so affronted by his strategy but usually I just ignore secondhand meta and go with what I've seen myself.In post 889, SlySly wrote:Does anyone ever really double check?She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Explain how that post is a PR soft and how it is a scumclaimIn post 915, Ramcius wrote:
this, if it's not strong PR, is it scumclaim?In post 219, SlySly wrote:Bring forth the votes! My lynch will give you something to analyze much more than that 1-shot cop claim.
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There's nothing new to push on Pep, and as far as I can tell the wagon with the most votes in the game is Pep so I don't see how it's been derailed.In post 919, Ramcius wrote:
Cause he told his flip will have impact on discussion, anyway, why you coasting so hard? You don't push Pep, your top SR, you didn't cared that i derailed that wagon, now you came in to ask something not really important, while you should ask why i want LoX head? We closing to deadline and Sly isn't my SR, so you don't have defend himIn post 917, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Explain how that post is a PR soft and how it is a scumclaimIn post 915, Ramcius wrote:
this, if it's not strong PR, is it scumclaim?In post 219, SlySly wrote:Bring forth the votes! My lynch will give you something to analyze much more than that 1-shot cop claim.
That post wasn't meant to defend sly, I wanted to know how you could have thought that post was a PR slip/scumclaim because I don't agree and the way you went about saying it was very rolefishy because you said that the post is either a PR soft or a scumclaim. I asked you how it was either of those things and you haven't given a good explanation as to how it's a PR soft (it's not) or even touched on how it's a scumclaim (I don't think it is). Feels like you're probing for PRs to kill because you can't explain how it was a scumclaim.
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If anything this is a scumclaim and I'd be happy to lynch this.In post 915, Ramcius wrote:
this, if it's not strong PR, is it scumclaim?In post 219, SlySly wrote:Bring forth the votes! My lynch will give you something to analyze much more than that 1-shot cop claim.
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I think the Ram case is basically a few people jumping on my 926, and I feel like that wagon was a lot easier to get rolling than any of the others today. Might be scum scrambling to get the wagon off Pep tbh and I won't be moving off Pep today after seeing how quickly Ram gained traction. Depending on Pep flip I'll consider Ram again tomorrow but it doesn't feel right rn.
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I don't, why do you think I think that?In post 982, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Not quite biting on a Pep lynch. I need to be convinced more for my vote to flip that way
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I'm having a hard time believing you're really taking in what you're reading.In post 996, Ramcius wrote:nice try, but there no way i'm getting lynched, and how easily i got SR for sarcastic post (yes, Kyo, that was sarcasm, i admit, i didn't noticed sarcasm in Sly post and took it as softing PR, but i was catching up, what is your reason to change from TR to SR on me just for that sarcastic post?), and LoX going after me all game, you think i haven't noticed? It feels like your goal is to shot me down instead of scumhunting, still waiting your case on Pep, and it was like 5 days, since your post about we should decide for lynch, yet you haven't done any real effort, if you want Pep dead, give case, cause now that wagon is just bunch of sheeps and you one of them
Fuzzy, i told you first time - if i have choose between random lynch (cause i can't push my SRs it seems) i go for random VT claim
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Same as before, if that flips red, Pep is going next, i don't buy that "Pep lynch is lame, so let's lynch Lil instead, cause i don't like couple of his posts", how that ever is going to be town? Guess i got wrong rolecard, town is minority here
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- Jack of All Trades
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