WWE Mafia - Smackdown! (Game Over - Off Television)

[Tywin Lannister]

I am here. I can also confirm: my small stature means I can't take punishment. I bet undertaker can take far more, being dead and all

VOTE: I am Innocent. I disagree

[Tywin Lannister]

I TR Titus as well tbh. Bcuz reasons. Otherwise, she's playing the tryhard long con by want to scum hunt both threads. I don't see a reason for scum to ever bring that up tbh. It's unnecessary and pointless if she flipped scum. I'm.... at odds with this, but it's probably true.

[Tywin Lannister]

Gamma: what are you trying to say/point out here? ELI5 plz

[Tywin Lannister]

Gamma: what are you trying to say/point out here? ELI5 plz

ELI5?

Sorry, Reddit accronym. Explain it like I'm 5 (make it painfully obvious)

[Tywin Lannister]

The great KainTepes is a TR. Already going after scums. Very aggressive and experienced!

I also agree that MariaR/Creature look scummish. Creature less so. All gut reads, but 60% of the time, my gut reads are right all the time.

@Titus: why is McManus town though?

[Tywin Lannister]

Can we all make it a player rule and state that if we are going to base a read on a player in Smackdown by a player in Raw, we give that reason? Don't assume all Smackdown players will be on top of everything going on in Raw, or vice versa. It's a nice thought, but it probably is an untenable expectation.

[Tywin Lannister]

lol you take 140 serious.

Pretty sure this is directed toward the great KainTepes, but I didn't even think about 140 until you mentioned it. So you found that post scummy? Seems a bit self conscious. Also, you can't assume people don't take it seriously when you still let Alban continue to believe your 'I know all roles in game' claim. He took it seriously and still does, oddly enough. Not sure if he's faking it or not though.

[Tywin Lannister]

Why do you sr me

That emoticon is sinister. Also, because it's a gut read that 60% of the time is right all the time. Also, because other scums probably haven't posted enough yet for me to find them.

[Tywin Lannister]

I thought he was reaction testing.

Looks pretty pointless to me. What's he hoping to gain? Only an extreme newbie would believe a role that breaks the game (even if scum), so I'm not sure what the point is. To find out whose gullible?

[Tywin Lannister]

The great KainTepes is a TR. Already going after scums. Very aggressive and experienced!

I also agree that MariaR/Creature look scummish. Creature less so. All gut reads,

but 60% of the time, my gut reads are right all the time.

F
@Titus: why is McManus town though?

This makes no sense.

Wait... You know GoTs but not this? Sigh smh

Anchorman
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0357413/

[Tywin Lannister]

@Gamma: I did homework for you! Fluff post of day coming up.

t Veronica] I'll give this little cookie an hour before we're doing the no-pants dance. Time to musk up.
[opens cologne cabinet]
Ron Burgundy: Wow. Never ceases to amaze me. What cologne you gonna go with? London Gentleman, or wait. No, no, no. Hold on. Blackbeard's Delight.
Brian Fantana: No, she gets a special cologne... It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
Ron Burgundy: It's quite pungent.
Brian Fantana: Oh yeah.
Ron Burgundy: It's a formidable scent... It stings the nostrils. In a good way.
Brian Fantana: Yep.
Ron Burgundy: Brian, I'm gonna be honest with you, that smells like pure gasoline.
Brian Fantana: They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time.

[Tywin Lannister]

RAW is two pages long -_-

You think it won't grow in the future or something? Pretty obvious why I said it.

[Tywin Lannister]

Wtf is going on here. I can't tell if people are joking with 'finishers' or not due to how many on ms think fake claim actions are a cool thing to do. If someone is joking, they need to not bold it. These mechanics require others to join in to support or stop a finisher. If I can't tell if serious, then wtf?

I read Raw and then saw Mcmennis call TB and I scum. I also so a fight about whose scummy compared to who took what seriously? Apparently I need to reread to look for finishing moves that were serious/not serious? That should be a policy tho to not joke about a bolded finisher. It breaks the game. Stop.

[Tywin Lannister]

I may know how to prevent Gamma from dying, but not sure if he's worth saving.

But do you SR him? I mean, by the book Mafia means it's bad to D1/N1 Vigi kill almost always. It's not a pro-town move per say, but the fallout of it may help speed up the game. I think it was a grudge kill rather than game related though, so there's not much info gained.

Grey: thoughts? What's the plan here? Do you SR Gamma or just used the ability for lols?

[Tywin Lannister]

I may know how to prevent Gamma from dying, but not sure if he's worth saving.

But do you SR him? I mean, by the book Mafia means it's bad to D1/N1 Vigi kill almost always. It's not a pro-town move per say, but the fallout of it may help speed up the game. I think it was a grudge kill rather than game related though, so there's not much info gained.

Grey: thoughts? What's the plan here? Do you SR Gamma or just used the ability for lols?

Yes, I scumread him. And it's not bad if it's not on town.

What specifically makes you SR him? And I agree, but statistically speaking, a D1/N1 Vigi kill will almost always hit town without giving info. It's just generally a bad idea. It's like doubling down on two 6s in blackjack. It CAN win, but it's not the 'correct' book move. It loses far more than wins.

[Tywin Lannister]

Wtf? Why?

[Tywin Lannister]

I don't like this. I don't like this at all. Why stop that there? Could have waited at least a few hours.

Screw it.

619 MariaR

Armbar MariaR

Break that up.

[Tywin Lannister]

Any sr I get for that is so worth it
I thought it would just be a lynch because there really easy to break up
can you use it again or is it one shot

Once per day
Do you not have finishers of your own?

Maybe his finisher is 'NK'

[Tywin Lannister]

Bah Gaed! That's Ray Mysterio's music!

[Tywin Lannister]

Did my iPhone edit gawd into Gaed? Wtf phone? What's a Gaed

[Tywin Lannister]

I like this game

[Tywin Lannister]

Cause my vote was gonna be used anyway! xD
Pedit: Me too if I can keep doing this I'ma have so much fun
...I should prob be more worried like Titus said but rn I'm all giggles

Truth be told, if you're scum, you'll be voted by someone. You won't die to this. No scum will let you die to a finisher.

If town... Idk actually. Maybe you'll die? Doubtful though. WIFOM all the way!

[Tywin Lannister]

Ahem ahem:

Whoever votes MariaR to break my Armbar is scum with MariaR!
Whoever doesn't vote MariaR to break my Armbar is scum for letting a townie die!
Whoever doesn't vote MariaR to break my Armbar is town for not voting scum!
Whoever votes MariaR to break my Armbar is town for not voting scum!

WIFOM up.

@mod: could I ever break my own Armbar on someone in the future? Let's say I changed my mind?

[Tywin Lannister]

so if i want to RESCUE GAMMA i just ahve to vote for the VIG?

Yes but I think that was a mod error. MariaR voted grey to break it. The current submission is on MariaR now, and you'd have to vote me to break it.

[Tywin Lannister]

The vote stop combined with the submission is to stop the submitting player from voting the submitter and stopping it. Now I could be wrong and maybe MariaR couldn't vote me to stop the submission, but I took no chances and am good with it. If I'm wrong, then I can see how it's use is supposed to go over, but gotta learn somehow!

[Tywin Lannister]

alban, IAI, Titus, Grey, Tywin, me

Why am I being grouped with alban and Titus?

Creature is trying to townblock the hood.

It's pretty weird that one of my scum reads is trying to form a town bloc with my top scum read despite not having any meaningful interactions between them.

Pronoun confusion.

Creature, and Grey.

Can you give a brief reason why you SR them?

Honestly, the only one I could convince myself is scum RN is grey, largely due to having the same abilities as me. It doesn't make a ton of sense for town to have two players with dayvig/vote block abilities. I know my alignment, so I could see grey being the opposite. Then again, I can see him also being town, since scum probably have night actions over day due to also having NKs. It's a balance issue more than anything. Will be interesting to see how this plays out down the line. Barring something major, I won't be voting for creature or grey today. I just don't see it.

So what are the reasons for the SRs? I understand how you'd be wary of a town bloc this early, but it isn't as if it can't change in the future, and I see them as TRs currently.

[Tywin Lannister]

Lol so people can 1v1 each other? Haha this game will be fun.

What happens if they're both submitted in a relatively close time span? Let's say MariaR finished me right after I armbar'd him. Would it be a double lynch or would first one win?

[Tywin Lannister]

I wanted to be Christian

Deus Vult!

[Tywin Lannister]

Need iron sheik

[Tywin Lannister]

I mean... It is only 3 pages... Still...

[Tywin Lannister]

I'd honestly go for a Pepto lynch over Vifam right now mainly due to activity over anything else, but I'm not against either. Pepto has only 14 posts... The mod posted more. Pepto was pretty active during RVS, but disappeared when it became more serious. I'd like to pressure that slot at minimum. At work but will post more later.

[Tywin Lannister]

I think Maria is town

Is that why you ended his submission earlier than necessary? Gamma's was ended earlier by MariaR as well. Neither had good reasons to remove pressure. It's as if you didn't want conversation to happen

[Tywin Lannister]

I think Maria is town

The only thing pissing me off is people hold me to a higher standard because I'm "really good at scum" "don't tr Maria cause shes good as scum" wtf is that bs

Creature if you think anything I've done this game is scummy you're out of your mind
your reads don't feel genuine at all and you are pushing on lynch bait after lynch bait target

Let's lynch in Titus/Creature/Grey ty

Why are those three scum? Because they TR each other? The same exact excuse can be used with you, Gamma, and Vifam.... So why are those three more likely a scum team over you three?

[Tywin Lannister]

Gamma + Maria + Pepto

Try again dumbass, look at the VC. This is idiotic. And why are you so sure there is 3 scum?

MariaR listed 3 scum too. Why are you ignoring that slot?

There's a lot of hypocrisy going on here.

[Tywin Lannister]

Creature, it hasn't slipped my mind. I am surprised Nero hasn't scumread me just on impulse. Since Grey thinks like I do, I would expect a scumread there too. Yet, nothing. Sorting his suggestion seems the best way to sort him for now. If Maria is town, then his response increases in sketchiness. ABR liked to do the same RP opening as scum. On the other hand, I think he'd just push me if scum and I don't want to be in a rut where Nero must vote me in RVS to be town.

Maria does seem to be cracking under pressure though. Her inconsitencies and dismissiveness of my responses don't seem town.

I have my eye on it at the moment. It is wierd but I think Nero and IaI are correct here.

His thoughts = my thoughts. We are in sync. There's no two ways to say that, despite you spamming as such. I have told you three times your request is impossible. The reasons you "scumread" Grey are a load of contradictions. You are shading me yet simultaneously looking for an avenue to crack my mason read with Grey. Not happening.

Titus, I don't really like this. It feels like sheeping one way or the other. It's looks like pretty blatant buddying. I can't comment on my experiences with either you or grey due to ongoing games, so I'll just say that I'm uncomfortable with this. Do you have any past games with grey where you were both town and did this? I don't expect you to spend forever looking for a link, so a simple yes/no works.

[Tywin Lannister]

Forget the first quote that looks like a misclick. I meant to quote the second one

[Tywin Lannister]

I don't understand how you can scumread Grey when you can't even see him, playa.

Great first post of the game for you massive. Care to give thoughts on everyone? Or is this a prod dodge?

[Tywin Lannister]

No finished games on this site, Tywin.

Ok gotcha

[Tywin Lannister]

Gamma + Maria + Pepto

Try again dumbass, look at the VC. This is idiotic. And why are you so sure there is 3 scum?

MariaR listed 3 scum too. Why are you ignoring that slot?

There's a lot of hypocrisy going on here.

He's teamhunting, that's scummy

Shade throwing. You threw shade on Creature for listing 3 scum, so I pointed out where MariaR did it as well. Clearly, you ignored one slot (who broke your submission), but went after Creature's. Now you say it's team
hunting and scummy. Very inconsistent.

[Tywin Lannister]

Are you caught up Tywin?

Yes

[Tywin Lannister]

I still don't like Titus, earlier when she said I attacked Grey and I asked her where she provided a few quotes where I never attacked/discredited Grey at all

Huge misrep on her part, than she goes on to have an argument with Maria about whatever, but it feels as if she tried to paint it as if I had a scumread on Grey and that's weird

It honestly felt like you were attacking him from what I remember. Idk what the exact quote was, but it sure gave that impression in my mind. Feels like you're arguing semantics. Why does it even matter if you're attacking grey or not? If you SR him, then why wouldn't you? If you TR him, then why? You can't use the same reasoning that Titus does, so you must have a reason to TR his slot?

[Tywin Lannister]

quote it I don't see it

Don't see what? Where MariaR listed 3 scum? Last sentence gives 3 lynch targets. Kinda the same thing. It's not 4 and it's not 2, and those three names are all TRs for each other. Does this not look like a team vs team fight? You/MariaR/Vifam TR each other (and broke each other's submissions), while Titus/grey/Creature TR each other and want to form a Town Bloc. Kinda obvious IMO.

The only thing pissing me off is people hold me to a higher standard because I'm "really good at scum" "don't tr Maria cause shes good as scum" wtf is that bs

Creature if you think anything I've done this game is scummy you're out of your mind
your reads don't feel genuine at all and you are pushing on lynch bait after lynch bait target

Let's lynch in Titus/Creature/Grey ty

[Tywin Lannister]

Are you caught up Tywin?

Yes

Why are you concerned with Grey buddying me?

Can't comment. Ongoing game. But reasons

[Tywin Lannister]

I have a somewhat wary belief that MariaR is town. The lack of concern about the submission seemed genuine, although that's also probably because scum know their buddies won't let it go through. It's all WIFOM so pretty useless, but I haven't seen careful play per say. It's more random and open than I'd expect from scum, but if she is as good at being scum as others claim, then perhaps even that reasoning won't work. I just don't see her as the best lynch today due to that. Don't know if I'd argue against it thoufh.

I'm more concerned about Massive prod dodging with two fluff posts (his only posts of the game). I dislike that a lot.

[Tywin Lannister]

I still don't like Titus, earlier when she said I attacked Grey and I asked her where she provided a few quotes where I never attacked/discredited Grey at all

Huge misrep on her part, than she goes on to have an argument with Maria about whatever, but it feels as if she tried to paint it as if I had a scumread on Grey and that's weird

It honestly felt like you were attacking him from what I remember. Idk what the exact quote was, but it sure gave that impression in my mind. Feels like you're arguing semantics. Why does it even matter if you're attacking grey or not? If you SR him, then why wouldn't you? If you TR him, then why? You can't use the same reasoning that Titus does, so you must have a reason to TR his slot?

That's weird if you did because I've never given my thoughts on Grey's alignment

I just think it's misrepping what I've said about my scumread on Titus

I could be remembering it wrong, but I'm giving my honest opinion about it. It's not a misrep if I'm not using it as an attack. It's just how I remember it. I haven't gone back and checked because it's null to me.

I don't like how you dodged my questions here though. Do you TR grey? If so, why? If not, then why are you worried about being misrepped about an attack on grey that you said didn't happen? If you SR him, what's it matter?

[Tywin Lannister]

Are you caught up Tywin?

Yes

Why are you concerned with Grey buddying me?

Can't comment. Ongoing game. But reasons

Force-replace incoming.

Don't worry, him lurking is usual.

Okay. I do tend to see lurkers as scum even though it's apparently pretty 50-50 on MS. Old habit

[Tywin Lannister]

Are you caught up Tywin?

Yes

Why are you concerned with Grey buddying me?

Can't comment. Ongoing game. But reasons

I concur with this concern FYI

Well I will try to keep an open mind here if you do the same. Given how unique my thought processes are, I could always test him in a few irl days and see what shakes.

I'm not totally worried about it right now. It just makes me uncomfortable as a general rule. It's not even based on anyone specific or their meta. We all know that buddying is a scum tactic, although that's not to say town can't also do it. I'm just wary of it.

[Tywin Lannister]

So I wonder what the manager's tactic even would be. Let's say we know whose scum (we don't but let's pretend). We lynch one. Do we ship the other off to the other thread and draft suspected townies? Just curious how that works. And also wanna see what mod says about if manager gets NK'd/lynched, do we get a new one? Mod did say that managers can be either alignment, so potentially we can have a scum manager who drafts more scum.

[Tywin Lannister]

Spoiler:

I concur with Titus in that Dodge looks scummy. Keep questioning him.

[Tywin Lannister]

I think at this point, I want to lynch one of Vifam and MariaR and ship the other out. Their should be various options though for Day 1. The choices the manager makes will determine their alignment. This is more about crafting the ideal group mechanic and getting a solid core going than anything else.

Gun to my head, I pick Vifam over MariaR to lynch. I dislike the question dodging, and MariaR just feels more genuine. Purely gut reads that may be wrong, but that's my opinion. Yeah, we will see alignment of the manager pretty easily id think. If they ship out town and draft scummy players, that should be obvious.

[Tywin Lannister]

I know who I don't want. KMS or dodge. Both claim it's bad to read the other thread, and called out Titus for suggesting we do so with Raw... Except Raw is only 4 pages... There's no reason to not be able to read that. Ours is 26 so a bit different, but that should give them enough content to make informed decisions. I think it's anti-town to not read both at this point.

I say we ship out either Vifam or one of the lurkers like KainTepes, Pepto, Massive, etc if we aren't gonna lynch them.

[Tywin Lannister]

Oh nvm we can't ship out only keep 1 and draft 1. Damn

[Tywin Lannister]

I like Nero for draft. Gonna keep looking

[Tywin Lannister]

Or should we bring over who we think is town but they would lynch?

Tywin...?

Do we know who they'd lynch though? Idk. I guess it's subjective on how town they look.

[Tywin Lannister]

I still don't like Titus, earlier when she said I attacked Grey and I asked her where she provided a few quotes where I never attacked/discredited Grey at all

Huge misrep on her part, than she goes on to have an argument with Maria about whatever, but it feels as if she tried to paint it as if I had a scumread on Grey and that's weird

It honestly felt like you were attacking him from what I remember. Idk what the exact quote was, but it sure gave that impression in my mind. Feels like you're arguing semantics. Why does it even matter if you're attacking grey or not? If you SR him, then why wouldn't you? If you TR him, then why? You can't use the same reasoning that Titus does, so you must have a reason to TR his slot?

That's weird if you did because I've never given my thoughts on Grey's alignment

I just think it's misrepping what I've said about my scumread on Titus

I could be remembering it wrong, but I'm giving my honest opinion about it. It's not a misrep if I'm not using it as an attack. It's just how I remember it. I haven't gone back and checked because it's null to me.

I don't like how you dodged my questions here though. Do you TR grey? If so, why? If not, then why are you worried about being misrepped about an attack on grey that you said didn't happen? If you SR him, what's it matter?

I wasn't talking about you in the second sentence.


I don't really have that much of an opinion on Grey, that's my point. I've never said anything about Grey's actions or anything he's done being scummy or town but Titus made it seem as if I did.

Fair enough

[Tywin Lannister]

Spoiler:

Nero Cain, I see you reading our thread, and since yours is dead, give thoughts? You want MariaR pushed, but what about Vifam? Or Gamma? Or one of the lurkers? Any more thoughts on anyone beside Maria?

[Tywin Lannister]

What if both are scum

They'd be easy to catch based on how they draft. If they draft obv scum, we lynch the scum plus managers. If they draft town, then that hurts them anyways. Scum managers are kinda screwed if town plays it right.

[Tywin Lannister]

Are you caught up Tywin?

Yes

Why are you concerned with Grey buddying me?

Can't comment. Ongoing game. But reasons

This is unfair as all hell because I can't defend myself for the same reason you're throwing shade all over me.

Read my games since you like using content that can't be discussed.

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[Tywin Lannister]

>:|
Why do you feel the need to say that

She's contradicting herself after she blatantly says she did something she herself found cute and funny.

Seems pretty null to me. There are better things to push on Maria (if that's your goal) than this IMO. Doesn't hurt to bring up, but it doesn't move the needle for me at least.

[Tywin Lannister]

I don't think submissions or breakups are AI, because there's too much WIFOM that goes with it. Scum won't let the submission go through on their buddies, and town may not let it happen to TRs. So it's all WIFOM. But to act like submissions do anything more than create discussion is just false. Scum would need to be pinpointed and vote blocked, and only then would a submission go through. Even with that, a regular lynch is the same thing if you already know who the scum are.

[Tywin Lannister]

So TRing anyone who broke submissions early is false IMO. Tr them for other reasons, but not that.

[Tywin Lannister]

Are you caught up Tywin?

Yes

Why are you concerned with Grey buddying me?

Can't comment. Ongoing game. But reasons

This is unfair as all hell because I can't defend myself for the same reason you're throwing shade all over me.

Read my games since you like using content that can't be discussed.

Why are you giving me busy work and expecting me to follow through with it when buddying is inherently anti-town on D1? I gave the point that town can do it, but that doesn't make it normalized. Keeping an eye on it is part of being a good townie. Why are you so defensive over it?

620

I find it interesting that you will shade me due to ongoing, but when I suggest that you read my

other

games all you do is refer back to your backpedal post.

If you really wanted to sort me using ongoing, you would have done what I asked.

[Tywin Lannister]

Well I screwed that up.

Here: Why are you giving me busy work and expecting me to follow through with it when buddying is inherently anti-town on D1? I gave the point that town can do it, but that doesn't make it normalized. Keeping an eye on it is part of being a good townie. Why are you so defensive over it?

[Tywin Lannister]

I don't think submissions or breakups are AI, because there's too much WIFOM that goes with it. Scum won't let the submission go through on their buddies, and town may not let it happen to TRs. So it's all WIFOM. But to act like submissions do anything more than create discussion is just false. Scum would need to be pinpointed and vote blocked, and only then would a submission go through. Even with that, a regular lynch is the same thing if you already know who the scum are.

Are you talking about the managers here? I think the draft is particularly AI. I want to keep those I work well with. Scum will want to send buddies under suspicion and keep the players that aren't. We cannot do anything wiiiith it immediately...but it's good for later.

I don't know what you mean by broke submissions otherwise?

No I was responding to Pepto who claimed he was TRing the people who broke the submissions due to that. I said it's not AI and shouldn't be a reason to TR them.

[Tywin Lannister]

f it I don't like this guy's attack on Maria so

Use Crippling Crossface on I am Innocent

Oh. Lol!

I'm not stopping it. Gamma looks more town for doing it too IMO. Pretty funny.

[Tywin Lannister]

Yo KT can you voteblock I am Innocent

can you explain what this means?? why do you think I can VOTEBLOCK,,

The very aggressive and experienced KainTepes not reading his role PMs? This must be a site error, for the great KainTepes knows all! But hey, go double check and see if the site fixed your role PM yet. The very aggressive and experienced KainTepes should know about all the advantages he has to catch the scums.

[Tywin Lannister]

Im gonna try to catch up now. I have coffee and a blanket, and I'm not sick anymore. I feel like I was the most active when sick though, since I didn't have the energy to move and do other things with a high fever for 3 days. Anyway, will try. Wish I could remember where I left off.

[Tywin Lannister]

I'M NOT PUSHING YOU TO BREAK SITE RULES? I'M CALLING YOU SHADY AND YOUR USE OF MOVES IS DUMB

WASTING MY MOVES MAKES ME SCUM? YEAH OKAY!

SHADY SURE IS A NICE VAGUE ACCUSATION!

"Lol fuck it I'ma just use my move durrr"

It's always fun to tell Gamma FU and STFU.

I'll do it tomorrow, too.

I approve of this

[Tywin Lannister]

I would like someone easier to read. Nero doesn't look like one.

Kmd?

No plz. Nero over kmd. We want to bring townies over, not just people who you work well with. Town part matters more

[Tywin Lannister]

I would like someone easier to read. Nero doesn't look like one.

Kmd?

Yeah, includes Kmd4390, Leonshade, Ms Columbo, DodgeTheSaint/Banana Mint (though they're looking like scum) maybe Narna, McMenno or malpascp, or even penguinos.

Wtf? You're clearly not sorting for townies here if you list all of these people......

[Tywin Lannister]

I would like someone easier to read. Nero doesn't look like one.

Kmd?

Yeah, includes Kmd4390, Leonshade, Ms Columbo, DodgeTheSaint/Banana Mint (though they're looking like scum) maybe Narna, McMenno or malpascp, or even penguinos.

oh, and ThinkBig.

...........

[Tywin Lannister]

I would like someone easier to read. Nero doesn't look like one.

Kmd?

Yeah, includes Kmd4390, Leonshade, Ms Columbo, DodgeTheSaint/Banana Mint (though they're looking like scum) maybe Narna, McMenno or malpascp, or even penguinos.

oh, and ThinkBig.

If not townread, at least read better without paranoia.

Are YOU town? This looks fishy AF creature

[Tywin Lannister]

I would like someone easier to read. Nero doesn't look like one.

Kmd?

Yeah, includes Kmd4390, Leonshade, Ms Columbo, DodgeTheSaint/Banana Mint (though they're looking like scum) maybe Narna, McMenno or malpascp, or even penguinos.

oh, and ThinkBig.

If not townread, at least read better without paranoia.

I have a pool I'm looking at. Nero and KMD are in that pool. And face it playa, y'all are stuck with this hot shot. HOLLA HOLLA HOLLA!

Do you sr Creature or Iai
if so I suggest you help me with there lynching

What do you suggest if I don't?

Who do you SR?

We all have to remember that the GM could be scum too. I don't really SR Massive at all, but town needs to vet what he decides after the fact and go from there. If he ignores the obv town and picks up someone scummy, he needs to go.

@mod: if either brand's GM happened to get lynched, does a new GM replace them? Or does the brand lose the GM for good? What if scum NK'd a townie GM?

[Tywin Lannister]

Grey isn't obv town stop it Titus if were sending obv town over send zebrand

Why is Zefriend obvtown to you? His reads seem nowhere near in alignment with yours and you have had little to no interaction with him, plus he is part of the town block?

I like his content.
So what if he's part of this townblock that isn't real. y-you r-really should stop acting like it is b-before something bad happens to you T-Titus I don't w-want you g-getting hurt on me

What content do you like? He's one of the least active posters in this thread. I'm sure it won't be hard for you to pick a quote out of the...

[Tywin Lannister]

13 total posts he's contributed

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And my phone screwed up all these quotes. SMH

[Tywin Lannister]

Page is so ugly with all those unintended quotes not disappearing after the first post. This forum needs an iPhone app for QoL.

[Tywin Lannister]

So Almost Chara is for sure town. Idk if there are protective type roles in this game, but I hope Raw uses it on Chara if there are. They'd be screwed with someone else as their GM (if gms even get replaced). Massive is a null read on our end. He's been saying a lot of 'I'll do what I want' kind of stuff. That's fine, except if he doesn't follow through with the most obvious 'town' moved and goes the scummy route, we need to be prepared to lynch him. Idk if that means we lose a GM for good or get a new one, but since GMs can be any alignment, I think it's even more important to hold him accountable. I don't like the 'my way or highway' attitude, because he isn't obv town like Chara is. If Chara is town and Massive scum, then Chara would be drafting townies and we'd get scum in smackdown. Any townies left here would definitely lose fairly quickly. I'm not saying massive is scum, but I'm saying that his leash should be very short. I haven't liked his content so far, and he hasn't posted a ton of it to be considered pro-town atm. I'm suspicious of him due to that.

All that being said, I'm going to try to clean up my mess above (thx phone) by making it more coherent.

MariaR: why do you TR Zief and what exact post or two do you like so much? You said you like his content, but 13 posts is basically no content at all. The mod has more posts than that. I hope you know what exact posts you like and can provide them, because this looks fake to me.

Creature: why did you list 75% of Raw when giving names, and then say 'not even TR, but less suspicious' as people you'd like to come over? Really? They can't all be town, so that statement seems scummy IMO. I don't like it. TR should come first before anything else, up to and including being easy to work with.

Titus: I TR you but I still don't like any of grey's content. I won't go into why his buddying can be either townie or scummy, but it's safe to say it's a 50-50 proposition for him when he does it. It's null. I'm more concerned with his content being a lot of shade throwing and not actually asking questions, making coherent statements of the game state, or trying to figure things out. He's coasting and it's apparent. I don't like it. Idk why you TR him so hard, but just be wary of it. Him being agreeable doesn't make him town. I'd say he's null.

Vifam: do you have any reads on anyone? You seem to act confused or lost half the time, but it feels fake. You're also coasting imo. What are your TR/SRs if any?

Massive: why haven't you actively tried scum hunting anyone all game? Being GM doesn't mean you're absolved from being a good townie. Whose your SRs if any? Why aren't you being more transparent with whom you will draft or protect or whatever? Notice how Chara is handling it in the other thread. You've done the opposite, which may just be personality, but I'd like to know your thoughts. You're also one of the lowest post counts in the game.

Thats all I can think of atm. Hope this is easier to read than the mess I made above :-/

[Tywin Lannister]

So I just ISO'd Zief to get a better read on him, and surprisingly, I don't hate his content either. There isn't a hell of a lot of it, but he has clear stances and makes sense when giving the reasons for them. I TR Zief now. I don't agree with everything he says, but he has points that aren't bad when he says things. The three things I took from his reads are 'creature and grey are scum' and 'MariaR and Titus are town.' He also said Tywin (me) is asking a lot of questions but avoiding taking stances on anyone. I think that's the gist of it.

Zief: I didn't see a question there really, but I'll answer your 624 post since I see it now: That's only partially true, but it was at the time. I have to sort people before taking a stance. I see blocs of different players, but wasn't sure which was the better one. I dislike people in both actually. I don't tr grey the way Titus does, but i ignore his slot only due to TRing Titus. Grey shouldn't be given a pass though. He isn't confirmed just because Titus wants to pretend he is. Creature I don't think is scum right now, but I can see how you'd think he was. He's more slight-town to me. MariaR looks like scum IMO. Even you agreed she is all over the place. I just TR you after the ISO. Please contribute more. Vifam looks like scum IMO. Gamma looks like scum IMO. Kain and Pepto are null reads for being useless. If the previous three aren't scum (gamma/MariaR/Vifam) then Pepto/Kain certainly could be. There's no excuse to be this useless, but it is Christmas so I'll give them slack. Massive is null to me, but probably town. I don't have enough content from him to sort him though, so it's a gut read. Will definitely scrutinize his draft picks and go from there.

Am I missing anyone?

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Tywin: At some points, you just meet someone and they type the words that you want to say. It's not something easy to prove at all. I get that because you cannot hold that in your hands I offerred up Grey to go to the other side.

I'm ignoring his slot atm due to you, so it's not a big deal. I just won't ignore him if we have mislynches and he's still there throwing shade and not sorting anyone or analyzing things aside from buddying you. Even if he is scum, he isn't the only one so I'm not worried about him yet.

[Tywin Lannister]

I originally thought MariaR was scummy for TRing Zief when he's posted so little but now I'm not so sure. Idk with her.

[Tywin Lannister]

What about Alban? I forgot he existed. He's also been useless. Need to ISO him

[Tywin Lannister]

Also forgot about IaI. Ugh. So many

[Tywin Lannister]

Just iso'd IaI and realized why I forgot about him. He's said nothing useful all game long. He's done nothing period until Gamma put him in a submission. Then he used his powers to do it back to Gamma.

This guy isn't town. If he is, he's been playing useless on purpose. It's not KainTepes useless (that's the far extreme), but it's bad. There's very little content in his entire ISO. He doesn't post coherent reads or thoughts on anyone all game except for calling Zief town. He doesn't sort anyone all game, doesn't ask any questions related to others being scum, and he uses his power on Gamma in an OMGUS manner. Why haven't we noticed this previously?

Alban is next.

[Tywin Lannister]

OH and Vifam

Why is Vifam town?

[Tywin Lannister]

Alban seemed town early.

IAI's usually lurking but when he posts he does a lot.

ISO him and show me where that 'lot' is. I don't see it.

[Tywin Lannister]

Ok ISO on Alban is done. These aren't hard when these guys post so little and there's no content in any of it.

Alban has not questioned anyone, sorted anyone, given a stance on anyone (aside from his dislike of Kain early in RVS), talked about town/scum, looked for TRs/SRs, added any thoughts on the state of the game, or done anything at all besides fluff posts. His one and only question came when IaI voted him. He said 'explain' in post 99. I'm not counting his latest post (798) since he's just asking if we all have the same powers and if heel/baby face do the same things. It's not about finding scum.

He went from somewhat active up til post 114, not posting again til 439 (he asked how to access the other thread), and then no further posts until 730. He isn't reading the thread. That's obvious.

So idk here. Alban is also completely useless. IaI at least voted someone and called them scum. Alban hasn't even tried. He isn't even pretending. I can't tell if that means he's coasting scum or just useless and needs to be carried, but I hope he doesn't make Lylo. He isn't even paying attention.... Shit... Half our thread is full of people who don't pay attention to the actual game and would be terribad in lylo. Imagine it with Pepto, Kain, Alban.... FML


I say we lynch one of the useless ones before MariaR or whomever. Gamma I'd still be okay to lynch. I just think that if Kain/Pepto/Alban/etc are town, then we practically lose after one mislynch.

Titus: read that last sentence and tell me what you think. Are you still sure you want to give up active players (even ones I don't tr) like grey to the other thread now?

[Tywin Lannister]

Did an ISO of Pepto. He was active up until the end of RVS, then disappeared completely. Then posted once more in 659 essentially saying his 'own meta' is to hang back until there's something to go after. He hasn't tried to sort or scum hunt or any of the usual stuff that Alban/etc failed to do as well.

Oh, and then after that excuse post to prod dodge, he doesn't post again until a v/la notice to the mod.

I'm going to just hope everyone does better after Christmas. If they dont, then the best we can do is protect our active townies from getting drafted and try to draft more. When so many are so useless, it's a revolving door discussion. They may be scum and we'd never know, because we allow uselessness to linger.

[Tywin Lannister]

idk

We can't lynch them all and I felt they were town at the few posts they made.

What felt like town though? They haven't tried finding scum. Idk if they're even paying attention to the game or not. Probably not even reading.

I realize we can't lynch them all, but if they're all town, we're screwed anyways. Due to that, I'm gonna hope that at least one is scum.

[Tywin Lannister]

VOTE: CREATURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

because he needs 8 votes of lynch

Kain... This isn't AI. I need 6 to lynch. It's a role mechanic. It has nothing to do with baby face/heel. It's related to their wrestler's build.

[Tywin Lannister]

Whose lynch gives us the most info? I'd argue MariaR gives the most. Gamma gives more info on Vifam, but not as much as MariaR does. I've repeated the Grey/Titus buddying concerned me, but I haven't mentioned the MariaR/Vifam buddying. That concerns me as well, and when I asked repeatedly why the other is town, I've been met with silence and ignored.

So I'm going with MariaR purely for the info. Nobody completely stands out as scummy to me, but Gamma is up there. I feel like I scum read gamma in every game I play with him though, so idk where to go with that. So MariaR/Gamma are my choices, but Maria seems the best one for now.

Thoughts? Gamma or Maria?

[Tywin Lannister]

I still want my scumreads sorted someway.

Since we all seem to have the same abilities for the most part, I think we just need to lynch and get flips.

[Tywin Lannister]

I say we lynch one of the useless ones before MariaR or whomever.

What changed your mind?

Cuz I don't see it happening. And creature seems against it. Its also unlikely more than 1 is scum, and I'm not sure which one.

Even MariaR I'm wavering on again, because I just read Almost Chara in Raw say Maria was a TR. Due to that... I have to ignore it and go with Gamma. IaI is also a possibility out of the more 'useless' players if we go that route. Alban has acknowledged his ISO and has contributed since then, so I give him a slight TR. KainTepes!!!!!! I dunno what to do with. Pepto is gone until after Christmas.

Do you have any SRs grey?

[Tywin Lannister]

Wait you finally think...you could be wrong
holy shit it's a Christmas miracle

Ok so I lol'd. Uzi also TRs you, and he's a top TR on Raw. I think that means you can't be the lynch.

I'm still game for gamma. I haven't seen anyone express against that either from us or Raw.

[Tywin Lannister]

I almost want to be drafted there, because I have obvious TRs on that side to work with. Everyone is playing it too well in smackdown to get legitimate SRs. We also have too many completely unreadable people like the great, very aggressive and experienced KainTepes!!!!!!! whom I can't sort at all.

[Tywin Lannister]

I'm like 90% sure Titus isn't flipping town guys

Why?

[Tywin Lannister]

Clothesline from Hell: Gamma Emerald
Abdominal Stretch: Gamma Emerald

Merry Christmas everyone.

Merry Christmas! Very good choice here. Approved.

[Tywin Lannister]

VOTE: Gamma

[Tywin Lannister]

Oh yeah.

VOTE: Tywin

This is not town. By any stretch of the imagination.

This is my biggest townread so you got some splaining to do.

Read my intro post, mayhaps?

I'm still catching up since I just saw the day 2 pm, but I skimmed your intro post and it's absolute shit.

Also, I didn't see absolutely anything in there that would explain a very hard SR on me. Fact of the matter is that I am the player Smackdown chose to keep, because most view me as their top or close to top townie. You're going hard against the grain here, yet you haven't posted a single coherent thought about why.

So do me and the rest of town a favor and post your reason for your read, plus the reason for your TRs, and do it in a manner that is easy to read and not a jumbled mess of shit wrapped in a spoiler tag. Use complete sentences and write a paragraph or two. It isn't that hard, and you'll be taken more seriously by doing so. The running log you did is always terrible for Mafia players to do. Most who do them are fairly new to the game, so they don't realize how incoherent and hard to read/follow they are.

So again, please repost the reason you SR me so strongly (you want me lynched over everyone else in the game, so I sure hope you have a reason that isn't scummy). I didn't catch that reason in your intro, and the intro itself was a mess that nobody should be forced to decipher. Due to having some extreme opinions, the burden is on you to give them in a readable and coherent manner.

[Tywin Lannister]

It should also help your case on me if you have one. I'm town (baby face) but I'll respond to any questions you have about any post I've made. Your off base, but trying is good.

[Tywin Lannister]

I need to reread since I honestly forgot who I've scum read day 1. I know IaI was one of them though. It's been a while.

Massive, why did you choose to keep me? You said you thought Titus would be drafted though, so I guess it makes sense.

Any ideas why KT would be NK'd? I don't understand that move. He was more or less inactive and clueless about what was going on. I really don't know why scum would pick him, unless it was to shade creature. I can't see any hypothetical where scum creature would care that KT wanted him lynched, so maybe we have newbscum? Idk why Kain would be picked otherwise to be honest.

I didn't have much of a read on leobshade tbh. I kind of questioned that move when I saw it, but Nero was my first choice too. I didn't really have a second pick, so I'm okay with Leon for now. I'll reread his raw posts when I get a chance this weekend.

[Tywin Lannister]

Kain was killed because he claimed a vague generic "power role." I don't think any of the town believed him, but clearly scum did.

Tywin is town for not paying attention to that, I guess.

I wouldn't say I'm town for it. At least, don't TR me for that. I'm honestly not caught up and am at work. I kinda scimmed everything, but I don't remember much from D1. Night phase was really long, so I've forgotten a lot that happened. I also have the suspicion that everyone has essentially the same abilities like finishers and things, unless maybe a couple have something special and/or scum have their NK. I don't really know if anyone is a full PR in terms of being different than the next player. We've had like 4 finishers go off on D1, so idk what KT was claiming? I just saw his slot as pretty useless, so Idk what the point of NKing him was. If I was scum, I'd want him in Lylo. He's very random with his reads/votes.

Anyway, I'll catch up after work tonight.

[Tywin Lannister]

Newbscum candidates:
MariaR - Though not newb, I don't think she makes good decisions as scum
Peptobislawl
maybe zefiend

I know I TR Zief day 1, so don't think he's scum.

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Grey.

Tell me why the fuck you are scumreading me.

Is it because I said that you've got a pissy attitude? Because you do. You waltzed into this thread and gave out a toxicity only matched by KainTepes. You've done nothing to help the game. You led a wagon that ended up killing a town player, without there actually being a good reason for it.

Pot, meet kettle. So after reading everything, your only scum read was me, and from what I can gather, it was due to me 'naked voting' Gamma. You apparently didn't care about any posts I made previously when I scum read him, so your huge scum read that you want lynched is due to a vote, one that almost everyone else made as well.

So... You're basically saying that you don't have any scum reads at all, and you want to lynch me without reason... Yet give -grey- shit for lynching someone 'without reason.' You also give him shit for his content, yet yours is just admitting that you have nothing to add. Everything you've said so far is about shading others due to voting Gamma, yet you're ignoring everyone else who voted him. Why? How do you have no real scum reads after freshly reading the game? If your clamering to get me lynched is due to voting Gamma, then saying 'I have no real SRs' would be more honest of you.

[Tywin Lannister]

I don't like sheeping wagons, I like sorting people.

I like these posts from Leon. He's town IMO. Good draft pick afterall.

[Tywin Lannister]

I don't like sheeping wagons, I like sorting people.

Grey.

Tell me why the fuck you are scumreading me.

Is it because I said that you've got a pissy attitude? Because you do. You waltzed into this thread and gave out a toxicity only matched by KainTepes. You've done nothing to help the game. You led a wagon that ended up killing a town player, without there actually being a good reason for it.

Pot, meet kettle. So after reading everything, your only scum read was me, and from what I can gather, it was due to me 'naked voting' Gamma. You apparently didn't care about any posts I made previously when I scum read him, so your huge scum read that you want lynched is due to a vote, one that almost everyone else made as well.

So... You're basically saying that you don't have any scum reads at all, and you want to lynch me without reason... Yet give -grey- shit for lynching someone 'without reason.' You also give him shit for his content, yet yours is just admitting that you have nothing to add. Everything you've said so far is about shading others due to voting Gamma, yet you're ignoring everyone else who voted him. Why? How do you have no real scum reads after freshly reading the game? If your clamering to get me lynched is due to voting Gamma, then saying 'I have no real SRs' would be more honest of you.

Can you reread Grey outside the context here (with respect to DiamondSentinel) and tell me your thoughts? He's essentially trolling his way to victory if he's scum. How is using a pseudo-day-vig for no better reason than roleplaying anything but anti-town?

I have been wanting Grey since forever but apparently everyone is blind to scumtells in this game.

Will do. I SR grey D1, but ignored it since Titus likes him. I'll ISO him after work. It's been a long week (60 something hours), so I've posted mainly during lunch breaks.

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Grey what's your case on Pepto? The guy seems pretty null to me, and I kinda scum read IaI D1 too. Not strongly, but a little. I think the creature shading is dumb, but it really isn't a scum tell.

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I'm gonna ISO Pepto again. I did it D1, and it only took a few minutes with how little content he posted, but I'll do it again just to be sure. I bunched him, Alban (diamondsentinal), and KT in together as useless lurkers at the time, with the thought being at least one is probably scum for it. KT always struck me as just useless period, which is why his NK just doesn't make sense to me. In my mind, NKing that would mean newscum. The one player that legitimately wanted KT policy lynched over anything else was Alban. He said so during the RVS stages, and he basically begged for it. I could see alban's slot sending in an NK for KT just to get him removed. I could also see Pepto being newscum enough no send that in as well. At the moment, I have zero issues with lynching either, but Pepto is probably the better bet. Vifam is gone, but where is MariaR? She was the other pretty strong SR, but has been MIA since D2 started. I also don't TR grey, but I'm not SRing him the same way I did D1. I just didn't like the Titus/grey interaction there, but I like grey's D2 posts enough to lean more townish than scum now. Regardless, I don't think he's the best lynch, and given the choice between Pepto/diamond/grey, I'd choose Pepto over the others.

Anyways, I'll ISO him sometime today when I get some time, and then I'll vote there if I find enough to warrant it. The main problem with Pepto on D1 was that he was so useless that he had no content to really analyze. That's obviously changed after the gamma flip, but I haven't been paying enough attention to this game after the work week I just had. Today is my only day off, so I'll catch up and give updates reads probably later tonight.

[Tywin Lannister]

Oh, also, you should read my catch-up post. Most people haven't read it.

It really is hard to read. The effort would be better placed in normal paragraphs. A running log is almost always a bad idea in forum Mafia, and the few players whom I've seen do it almost always get ignored for it.

[Tywin Lannister]

I'm not breaking the hold. I still haven't ISO'd Pepto though. I was on a date last night, so didn't have time to read like I said I would. I'll do it tonight though. No plans after work, so I'll finally update everything then. Either way, I'm not saving Pepto without a reason, and I certainly don't see one.

MariaR: why creature? Give a case if you're going to vote him. Pepto didn't have one either.

[Tywin Lannister]

So everyone finds Grey NAI for the whole game? I'm done beating that dead horse.
DS' read on Tywin is laughably inaccurate, but I dunno if scum could be so deliberately stubborn with the entire thread. He gets a weird pseudo-town-read from me for now.
Something about the Pepto wagon stinks. Need to reread from yesterDay later.

Zef, being one of my strongest TRs, I'd appreciate whatever thoughts you have. You keep mentioning grey, but I haven't seen any real reason for your strong SR on him. Is it a gut read? In that case, I agree, but it's not enough to wagon him. Not over Pepto at least.

[Tywin Lannister]

Pepto: nothing you said about IaI AI. Do you have anything else? Your reasons kind of suck.

[Tywin Lannister]

VOTE: Titus
Let's just end this rn

I claim Mason with Pepto

Just read this. Okay, back to the drawing board.

MariaR: why Titus? I don't like votes without explanation. I already knew you SR her and grey, but I don't really know why. Give a case. I've said this to everyone now, but nobody seems to care about doing it. They help reads, so only scum should be avoiding it

[Tywin Lannister]

VOTE: Titus
Let's just end this rn

I claim Mason with Pepto

Just read this. Okay, back to the drawing board.

MariaR: why Titus? I don't like votes without explanation. I already knew you SR her and grey, but I don't really know why. Give a case. I've said this to everyone now, but nobody seems to care about doing it. They help reads, so only scum should be avoiding it

It was to break the hold
VOTE: Creature

How is it mylo on D2? That doesn't make any sense. How do we know there are 4 scum even?

I'll ISO creature now, since I've pretty much ignored his slot all game. I don't see Titus being scum, but if so, I'm not sure it implicates grey or not. The buddying early wouldn't make sense from a scum team standpoint. Also, why does everyone SR Leonshade? If they do, then wouldn't that also implicate massive for drafting him?

[Tywin Lannister]

Ooh, we should take this opportunity to do a social experiment.

So, since I am the newcomer, and therefore read the thread with fresh eyes, you guys should sheep me for my lynch on Tywin. If it's MyLo, we're screwed anyways. If it's not, then there's no loss!

It's a win-win (almost)!

How is it MyLo with an odd amount of players.

unvote pepto

Good point.

#BlameTitus

She was the one suggesting it was MyLo first.

I have a feeling you're scum here. You go off this stupid mylo theory, and then call it a win-win to lynch one of the strongest TRs, for no reason whatsoever. You never gave a case on why you thought I was scum, and your posts have all been shit for the most part. Even your intro was bad formatting that you already knew would be ignored.

I think I SR diamond at this point. His replacee Alban was even more useless, he wanted to policy lynch KT (thus giving reason for the NK on KT), and he gave zero reads whatsoever all game. He was the definition of useless. Then diamond comes and gives shit posts and says 'let's lynch Tywin, everyone sheep me plz, because I say he's scum even though I refuse to give any reason to want him lynched other than voting gamma.' So the only real reason you'd want the strongest TR in the game lynched would be due to you being scum, and your replacee Alban was newscum enough to NK KT instead of strong TRs.

I think my case is the best given so far, so unless somebody strongly objects with good reason, I'm wagoning this guy. He isn't town. That's clear by his and Alban's play.

VOTE: Diamondsentinal

[Tywin Lannister]

@Mod - Am I still unable to vote?

You've been able to vote for approximately two days. You've recovered from both the FU and the STFU.

619 Diamond
Armbar Diamond

[Tywin Lannister]

I don't feel like lynching a mason claim right now.

Well, I plan on voting Pepto or Leon barring an exceptional reason not to. So if you wanna work with me, great. I haven't seen any reason to let the three of them live and possible disaster if they do.

Why? You can't lynch the Mason claim. Why would scum claim that there? They'd be outing at least half their team, if not more... To save a pretty useless player in Pepto. I don't see it being fake, but even if it is, I don't think they're the correct lynch today. I think diamond (Alban) is scum. Pepto was the other useless player, but Alban was ignored simply due to being replaced by a more competent player. That doesn't excuse Alban's entire play D1, and I don't like anything diamonds done D2 either. I said I thought there was at least 1 scum in the Alban/Pepto/KT pool, and KT is dead, Pepto claimed Mason with MariaR... So Alban/Diamond is the scum.

[Tywin Lannister]

Zefiend: what are your thoughts on diamond?

MariaR/Pepto: same question

[Tywin Lannister]

I don't feel like lynching a mason claim right now.

Well, I plan on voting Pepto or Leon barring an exceptional reason not to. So if you wanna work with me, great. I haven't seen any reason to let the three of them live and possible disaster if they do.

Why? You can't lynch the Mason claim. Why would scum claim that there? They'd be outing at least half their team, if not more... To save a pretty useless player in Pepto. I don't see it being fake, but even if it is, I don't think they're the correct lynch today. I think diamond (Alban) is scum. Pepto was the other useless player, but Alban was ignored simply due to being replaced by a more competent player. That doesn't excuse Alban's entire play D1, and I don't like anything diamonds done D2 either. I said I thought there was at least 1 scum in the Alban/Pepto/KT pool, and KT is dead, Pepto claimed Mason with MariaR... So Alban/Diamond is the scum.

So first you say that I'm competent, then you say that I'm not doing anything good.

There's a difference. You're not a bad player. You're just scum IMO.

[Tywin Lannister]

I don't feel like lynching a mason claim right now.

Well, I plan on voting Pepto or Leon barring an exceptional reason not to. So if you wanna work with me, great. I haven't seen any reason to let the three of them live and possible disaster if they do.

Why? You can't lynch the Mason claim. Why would scum claim that there? They'd be outing at least half their team, if not more... To save a pretty useless player in Pepto. I don't see it being fake, but even if it is, I don't think they're the correct lynch today. I think diamond (Alban) is scum. Pepto was the other useless player, but Alban was ignored simply due to being replaced by a more competent player. That doesn't excuse Alban's entire play D1, and I don't like anything diamonds done D2 either. I said I thought there was at least 1 scum in the Alban/Pepto/KT pool, and KT is dead, Pepto claimed Mason with MariaR... So Alban/Diamond is the scum.

I was townreading Alban D1 pretty hard, but I will take a look on that tonight when I get home.

The posture you are taking is exactly why scum would fakeclaim mason. Particularly so if they can control the draft.

You could be right, but how would they control the draft, unless you think massive is scum? I questioned the Leonshade pick, but idk. I don't think Chara is scum in raw, but I think it's possible for there to be 1 town manager and 1 scum. I just don't know how probable that would be.

I also kind of question why they'd need to out themselves with two fake claims here. If I was on pepto's scum team, I'd probably bus him over save, mainly because that seems to be the better play. It seems like a fallacy to think they'd both fake claim Mason (Maria did it first) when it's clearly not the optimal play here. I just don't see it, conspiracy theories aside.

[Tywin Lannister]

I don't feel like lynching a mason claim right now.

Well, I plan on voting Pepto or Leon barring an exceptional reason not to. So if you wanna work with me, great. I haven't seen any reason to let the three of them live and possible disaster if they do.

Why? You can't lynch the Mason claim. Why would scum claim that there? They'd be outing at least half their team, if not more... To save a pretty useless player in Pepto. I don't see it being fake, but even if it is, I don't think they're the correct lynch today. I think diamond (Alban) is scum. Pepto was the other useless player, but Alban was ignored simply due to being replaced by a more competent player. That doesn't excuse Alban's entire play D1, and I don't like anything diamonds done D2 either. I said I thought there was at least 1 scum in the Alban/Pepto/KT pool, and KT is dead, Pepto claimed Mason with MariaR... So Alban/Diamond is the scum.

So first you say that I'm competent, then you say that I'm not doing anything good.

There's a difference. You're not a bad player. You're just scum IMO.

Explain how. Just because someone doesn't explain a read doesn't make them scum.

If you can't explain a read, then either you have issues expressing your thoughts, or you don't really believe in the read and are bullshitting it. It isn't hard to explain why you believe something is true or false. It only becomes difficult if you're scum playing careful and worried about what others will think of it.

But to add to your point, your entire SR of me was due to my 'naked vote' on gamma (because you ignored everything i said previous to the vote), so you're putting your foot in your mouth here. Funny how it's convienent to call someone scum for a naked vote when it's you doing it, but if you're defending against it, all of a sudden it doesn't make them scum afterall.

[Tywin Lannister]

@Creature:

Could you explain your TR on DiamondSentinel? As well as why Tywin is in your scumpool.

Didn't know I was in his scum pool, but if so, that's a 180 change from his D1 town bloc. He would need to call my D2 posts scummy.

[Tywin Lannister]

Spoiler: Raw

Nero is town. I still think KMD is town, and honestly I can see Dodge being town too, playas. But I think I've seen more posts ABOUT Lil Uzi than I've seen posts BY Lil Uzi.

Raw: I agree with massive here, on all of it. Kmd looks like scum to me.

[Tywin Lannister]

Idk about dodge so maybe not all of it, but Nero is town and kind is scum IMO.

[Tywin Lannister]

I just think that's your moon logic taking the lead. If they are fake claiming, then it's ballsy (to use leinshade's working) as hell. I wouldn't make that move, although I'm not them. Still, it doesn't seem like something any careful scum would do.

If we did lynch Pepto and he flipped Mason as claimed, what then? We have no new info from it aside from clearing maria, which doesn't move us any closer to catching scum than we currently are. Diamond looks like scum to me, but I'm willing to move elsewhere if there is a point to it. I don't see a point to move on a Pepto wagon. It just doesn't gain any info if he flips town, and it's a huge gamble to assume they're both lying with the Mason claim. Even if they are lying, I'm not sure it's a good gamble lynch at the moment with so many null players left.

Honesty, I'd rather move to IaI if not diamond.